Protesting Albanians: We'll take other steps

The protests will last until every single Albanian arrested on the orders of the War Crimes Prosecution on December 26 is released from custody, says Memet Azizi...

Well Mr. Azizi don't hold your breath because these albanian terrorists won't be released any time soon and hopefully they are going away for a long time. Finally someone who has the guts to stand up to some of the worst warcrimes commited in Kosovo history.
Albanians can protest all they want, after all it's their right to do so, but that's is all they can do. Albanians can turn this into something that it is not but in the end they will loose.

I hope these ex KLA members get inducted to Guantanamo.

It is not wise to release those suspected of terrorism. Their internment living conditions are much better than Guantanamo, and they will receive a much better trial in Serbia than any Muslim terrorist ever would at any US base. Albanians should be interested in Justice for those brutally murdered and tortured Serbs not acquitting the guilty.

Nothing new expected here. As I said weeks ago when the criminals were arrested, Albanians are going to protest.

What is next? Perhaps killing Serbian police forces from the ambushes and kidnapping of civilians of Serbian nationality in Presevo Valley, throwing the bombs on Serbian shops and bars. The list goes on. All these have been already seen in Kosovo and this is what some members of IC have supported. Unfortunately, by doing this IC has sent clear message that violence against authorities is valid and perfectly legal mean in achieving the goal when it comes to land grab.

The one must wonder what kind of people support criminals and violence.

Presevo Valley Albanians demand the release of the criminals even though they are very well aware that these criminals were involved in most brutal killings. What kind of picture I can get about the Albanians after reading this?

Anyway, just go ahead with your protest. I do not mind since it will be your own waste of time. The criminals won’t be released and hopefully they will get what they deserve after fair trial before special court. I do not think that this time Albanians going to get any special attention from foreign countries, unless of course they begin with killing each others again in order to frame Serbian police. But this time, learning from the past, Serbian authorities are ready for all their traps. Watch out, you might be under surveillance 24/7. There will be proof for every single step Albanians take in order to destabilise region.

After the farce that was the Haradinaj 'trial' at the Hague, where prosecution witnesses were either murdered or terrified of testifying, we can only hope that these suspects are dealt with properly. As the so-called international community (ie.USA) has no intention of punishing Albanian criminals, we can only hope that Serbian legal institutions will follow due process, and if found guilty, put these characters safely behind bars where they no doubt belong.

azizi is concerned because now MUP is going to get even more information out of these uck terrorists.

as for halimi, don't worry riza more arrest should follow.

The protests will last until every single Albanian arrested on the orders of the War Crimes Prosecution on December 26 is released from custody, says Memet Azizi...

Mr. Azizi, you had better be ready to protest for the next 50 years or so! Because these terrorist, every one of them will be locked for that long, ZERO chance of anyone being released.

Its just amazing to me that the Albanians fail to understand even the basic concepts of Law and Justice, they seem to think that there is no trail, if they are innocent as the Albanians are claiming then they will be released its that simple. However I severly doubt this to be the case because the government would not have engaged in such an operation without sufficient evidense to put these terrorists away.

@Biljana

I`m not for Serbian policemen in Presevo,best solution would be mixed patrols.
If something like kidnappings and assaults were to happen the state should act and the perpetrators should get a very high sentence.
Also Serb civilians must arm and organize themselves to be prepared for whatsoever.
If you are armed and ready to defend yourself you will always beat the extremist Albanians,even if they are more because they are scared of our militias.
Just look at Northern Mitrovica,their goal is to ethnically cleanse the Northern part of Serbs but they have been rebutted time and again.

there can be no discussion about the arrested criminals. they get what they deserve and period.

what I would like to know, this picture is it shot in southern Serbia?

because, if so, ...it would be a shameful proof of some stupid parents who are educating their children to hat their neighbours... just like in our southern province Kosovo i Metohija...

this poor boy, if they put this wool-cap on his head ...then their future is not going to be good.

whoever teaches his kids to hate others, is sentencing them to become part of a low-level society.

To the above posters,

Reading your comments is further proof that life under serbian leadership is impossible for Albanians. It is sad to see that some of the more moderate posters like yourselves share this sentiment. After all majority of Serbs are with SRS, and we are well aware how they feel about Albanians.

Biljana wrote:

"I do not think that this time Albanians going to get any special attention from foreign countries, unless of course they begin with killing each others again in order to frame Serbian police."

CG wrote:

"Also Serb civilians must arm and organize themselves to be prepared for whatsoever.
If you are armed and ready to defend yourself you will always beat the extremist Albanians,even if they are more because they are scared of our militias."

And finally CG again wrote:

"I wouldn`t be surprised if this boy has a set of bombs under his jacket."

These are just a few of absured comments that show the level of hate that you all posess. Your feeling of superiority is sickening to all us albanians.

Just to remind you that Kosova will never be ruled by your leadership again! We have witnessed segregation, intimidation, racism, torture, and even killings by you.

Life in Kosova is much better now then it ever was and it will only get better after we reach full sovereignty without Eulex.

And finally, open your eyes and start providing some rights to those Albanian in Presheva because if you continue like this time will come that you will loose that part of territory too.

Artan,

At the risk of pointing out both your inconsistent and hypocritcal comments, let me dissect what you wrote one by one, and mind you, this is coming from a non-Serb, so you'll be able to digest it easier knowing it's not coming from an equally mindless nationalist:

You write: "After all majority of Serbs are with SRS, and we are well aware how they feel about Albanians."

-- First, in case you didn't realize it, the SRS has never been part of a ruling coalition in post-Milosevic Serbia for two reasons: 1) no one wants to ally with it and 2) It never reaches more than 30 - 33% of the popular vote. You also conveniently overlook the fact that in the last election, ZES beat the SRS by nearly 10 percentage points. Finally, Nikolic's split with Seselj has completely undermined any strength the SRS can muster in the future.

Your argument that "majority of Serbs are with SRS" holds no water.

Second, you seem to act incredulously at the reactions Serbs show to Albanians who are effectively calling for not only an international intervention to break away from a state, but are also openly supporting people that engaged in terrorism. To put it simpler, these are people who are sympathizing with Albanian Mladics and Karadzics. Yes, I know you may regard them as freedom fighters simply because of their ethnicity, but a war criminal is a war criminal. So I'd be a little more understanding when people are angry at another group of people looking to forment more conflict and hopefully secede. Isn't that what the media in Prisina depicts the K-Serbs north of the Ibar always doing? Isn't that what you probably thought when you saw protesters in Belgrade angry at Karadzic's arrest? As far as I'm concerned, these Albanians in Presevo are only demonstrating their incapability of living with anyone else.

Suedfeld,
i am assumming that you are refering to the due process Serbia received, when the USA bombed the living day lights out of it!!!
......without just cause

I wouldn`t be surprised if this boy has a set of bombs under his jacket.
Extremist Albanians are turning their kids into suicide bombers.

How arrogant to walk around with the board "Preshevo is Kosovo".
And to involve kids in every political event.
I am disgusted.

(Niall O'Doherty, 7 January 2009 11:53)

Wow, a typical Milosevic era labelling (irredentist).
You forgot other labels from his rich repertoire (e.g. nationalist, chauvinist, jihad etc..).
Niall, if you believe them to be guilty why cant their trial be in an international court.
If you believe so much in the “proofs” you have why insist for them to be tried in Belgrade.

If Serbia thinks that with the attitude that Serbia shows towards Albanians in Serbia they expect from them to be loyal citizens, think again.
Niall, don’t forget the oppressed will rise sooner or latter

(MikeC, 7 January 2009 12:02)
I believe that you will find that it is not only us that don’t think that Serbia is a respected country.
Prove me wrong MikeC, mention one action that the Serbian government (past and present) has done to prove Albanians that it is a democratic country. Name one single act that is done to integrate Albanians in Serbia in the Serbian democracy.
I can help you with that MikeC. The answer to both is “ZERO”.
Also MikeC, could you please tel me how many Serbs have been tried and found guilty for war crimes against Albanians. If any of them is tried could you please let me know their jail sentence and their crime. Once you have done that please give me your judgment if the sentence given is the appropriate for the crimes committed.
Until you have done that, your aim to advertise a “respected” Serbia to us is a waste of time.

(Peter Sudyka, 7 January 2009 13:22)

Peter, prove me that the Present Serbia is better than the Stalinist Russia when Albanians are concerned.
As I asked MikeC, give me one single example that would prove my theory wrong.
One single act that differentiates today’s Serbia from the Serbia of the 90s (when Albanians are concerned Peter).
Only one will do Peter.
I quote your comment: “and learned who our real enemy is and who not to trust”.
This is where we agree. We have also learned who our enemy is and who not to trust.
It was (and is) a very costly lesson but we have learned.
If Serbia wants to prove us wrong, the doors are opened (though I have a feeling this will not happen in mine or your life time Peter).
Until then Peter, Serbia does not participate in our circle of trust.

I wonder why Kosovo authorities do not start to arrests serbian gests who go to Kosovo.
Belgrade need to find Mladic and not hide him.

We can say that each ex republic of Yugoslavia has moved aehed except Serbia still playing the cheap old games designed by Milosevic.

Peter,

Sorry to disappoint you but the only land grab that has occurred in these regions happened when Albanian territories were given to Serbia.
Would you treat a land grab if Poland requests for the Polish territory occupied by Russia after WW2?
Also Peter, we are not discussing the land grabbing here.
What we are discussing is the fact that the accused will never get a fair trial in Serbian courts.
As per my last comment Peter, let them be tried in an international and unbiased court.
Peter, being tried in Serbian courts is like being tried in Stalinist era in Russia (or if you are a Chechen tried in Russian courts today).
What you will get is Siberia no matter if you are as innocent as a 2 day old baby.
So please Peter, until you have had experience of the Serbian justice system (against Albanians) please do not put comments you have.
(blero, 7 January 2009 11:05)

and that my friends sums up the real Albanian irredentist agenda. The inability to live with others not of their own stock and continued territorial destruction of Serbia. What next? Nis? Novi Beograd?

Its just amazing to me that the Albanians fail to understand even the basic concepts of Law and Justice, they seem to think that there is no trail, if they are innocent as the Albanians are claiming then they will be released its that simple.

It is just amazing to me that someone is amazed and cannot understand that Albanians in amazing way do not trust any Serbian justice.

(Mike, 6 January 2009 21:34)

Mike, like it or not everything revolves around the bitter truth (fact).

No Albanian has, does and will never receive a fair trail in Serbian courts.
Unfortunately this is was, is and will be the fact for times to come.
I can assure you that every Albanian (no matter where he is) will be happy for any Albanian (freedom fighter or terrorist – call them whatever one likes) to be tried by an independent and unbiased court.
I know that you might disagree on this Mike hoverer we have experienced the “Serbian Justice System” for a long time.
When Albanians are concerned, the only think that the Serbia judge thinks from day one of the Court Session is how many years of hard imprisonment should he give to the defendant (15-20-30).
So please Mike, do not try to “prove” us that they will get a fair trail. When the “accused” is Albanian the term “fair trial” does not exist. At lease not in Serbian courts.

(Peter Sudyka, 7 January 2009 10:05)

Peter,

Sorry to disappoint you but the only land grab that has occurred in these regions happened when Albanian territories were given to Serbia.
Would you treat a land grab if Poland requests for the Polish territory occupied by Russia after WW2?
Also Peter, we are not discussing the land grabbing here.
What we are discussing is the fact that the accused will never get a fair trial in Serbian courts.
As per my last comment Peter, let them be tried in an international and unbiased court.
Peter, being tried in Serbian courts is like being tried in Stalinist era in Russia (or if you are a Chechen tried in Russian courts today).
What you will get is Siberia no matter if you are as innocent as a 2 day old baby.
So please Peter, until you have had experience of the Serbian justice system (against Albanians) please do not put comments you have.

i don´t know whats more bizarre in tadic-serbia:

the fact that this provocateus and terrorist-supportes aren´t arested or the fact that the children of the 10 war-criminals, who had weapons at home and pictures of tortured serbs, still (after 2 weeks) aren´t taken away by the social services and given to civilized families, where they would have a future too.

I believe that there will never be justice if one side in this conflict becomes the judge of the deeds done by the other side. Prudence and wisdom was required from Serbia again which in this case should have worked with international tribunal to assure impartial justice. Yet Serbia chose to impose it's will by force even in a fairly aggravated environment. A very unwise move. Now Albanians have one more reason to apply the same disobedience toward Belgrade, that K-Serbs do towards Prishtina. In few words an unnecessary conflict was born.

The claim that the Serbian justice system will be fair and just in trialing Albanians accused for murdering Serbian citizens by their very own Serbian state, is not only laughable, but inherently biased. The conflict of interest is clear.

Serbian judge, Serbian persecutor, Serbian system of justice, trialing Albanians accused of killing Serbs.......

If these people are proven innocent, they should be set free, if not, they should sit in prison for their crimes. It's really that simple!

Also, what's with Albanians thinking that the EU will support them in their landgrab aspirations? Give them a finger (Kosovo) and they want the whole hand! Do they think the EU actually cares about Albanian landgrab aspirations? Maybe it's better that the Lisbon Treaty is not ratified!

Martin,
if the whole pretence in bombing Serbia and eradicating the Serbian inhabitants from Kosovo was wrong. Then the Hague, which was unable to prove Milosevic guilty, hence why Slobo is dead, is nothing more than a cover and sham.

Congratulations to Serbia for taking care of the criminals!

Redzepi should watch his mouth.These inflammatory statements could be interpreted as being unconstitutional and inciting.
I am sure enough stuff for him to get arrested.

blero

War crimes agains albanians have been on trail in Serbia. How many serb victims have had a trail in Kosovo by albanians? NONE! Serbia is today a respected country on the verge of joining the EU. But you still compare it to Stalin Russia. However, you seem to be the only one with this opinion. Name one more people, other than the albanians, that think Serbia today is an undemocratic and a dictatorship country? That's right! Albanians are the only ones! Albanians are the only people that critisize Serbia in everything she does. Nothing is good enough for you. Even if Serbias president was Gandhi himself Serbia and serbian people would be evil if you ask albanians.

I am surprised how Serbian thinking pattern did not change for decades. It reminds me Sesel’s speech decades ago about Kosovo. With this concept Serbia is going to loose Preseva Valley like Kosovo. Albanians of Kosovo had experienced Serbian justice. A lot of innocent people spent years in prisons accused for terrorisms even thou did not kill anybody.
Applying the same logics, Government of Kosovo should arrest all Serbs who were under uniform during Kosovo war. I do not think that this arrested in Kosovo during the war.

I'm sure those group of former militants are having fun proving how tough they are right now in the shower stalls in prison.

@martin
The people who were arrested are Serbian citizens living in Serbia. So the serbian judicial branch is in charge of prosecuting them. Its not like Serbia is going into Kosovo and arresting war criminals there.

Suedfeld,

Huh!

Are you agreeing that Milosevic was innocent?

Or are you stating that Israel should be halted in their attempts to eradicate the Palestinians from Gaza, due to their greed for territorial consumptions, fueled by NATIONALISM.

You seem to forget that the Serbs have never attacked another nation.

Your posting has no merits and facts. I guess you have been feeding from the Western conspiracy theories, that Serbs are evil, genocidal and wish for a greater Serbia.

AnotherCanadian serb says:
You seem to forget that the Serbs have never attacked another nation.

You seem to have been frozen in time during the 90'ties.
I dont think any further comment is neccessary here.

Blero

First of all I don't have to prove anything. The fact is you are the accuser so you should prove everything you claim. However, just to prove to you and all readers at this forum that I stand behind my word I will submit a link were serbs are on trail IN SERBIA for the killing of albanians. So, Blero, go and spread your hatred somewhere else.

This is an article from US Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-12-11-kosovo-trial_N.htm?csp=34

I just know that you will find something wrong with this article as well. That's just the type of people you are...

"I believe that you will find that it is not only us that don’t think that Serbia is a respected country." Blero

If you stand behind what you say then prove to me [with an article) what other people think that todays Serbia is not a respected country?

blero,

"Would you treat a land grab if Poland requests for the Polish territory occupied by Russia after WW2? "

I can understand your comparison here, but the difference is Poles do not call for the return of our lands. We have accepted our loss and learned who our real enemy is and who not to trust.

"As per my last comment Peter, let them be tried in an international and unbiased court."

Fair enough, I agree here.

"Peter, being tried in Serbian courts is like being tried in Stalinist era in Russia (or if you are a Chechen tried in Russian courts today). "

I think your parallel is a harsh one. Serbia of today is not the Serbia of the 90's, and certainly not comparible to a bloodthirsty monster like Stalin was. Stalin ordered the massacre of over 20 000 Poles, deported 1,7 million to gulags, raped thousands of our women and interned, tortured and killed anyone against communist ideology. I understand that Albanians suffered under Serbian rule in the 90's, but I don't think it is fair to compare the Yugoslavia of the 90's and most certainly not to Stalin's Russia when talking about today's Serbia.

Wow, a typical Milosevic era labelling (irredentist).
You forgot other labels from his rich repertoire (e.g. nationalist, chauvinist, jihad etc..).
(blero, 7 January 2009 14:29)
irredentism is actually a factually correct interpretation of your views and so is nationalism (though not necessarily chauvinism). your invocation of "milosevic" on the other hand is completely anti-intellectual and fits perfectly into pattern you accuse others of (talking about "jihad" etc). using emotionally loaded words won't get you anywhere.

I sincerely doubt that self-appointed "international community" (read "USA") has any guts for another bombing campaign to wrestle yet another piece of land from Serbia for Albanians. Neither their European poodles seem to have any penchant for fighting these days... Therefore, this time any actions against Serbs threatened by this UCPMB boy whatever-his-tongue-breaking-name is very likely to be seen as terrorism, which in fact they are...and Albanians committing these actions will be seen as terrorists which in fact they are...and Albanian supporting those who committing terrorist acts will be seen as terrorist-supporters. Which in fact they are :-)
Given the attitude towards terrorism these days...I doubt Pristina "leadership" - or, more precisely, their masters - would have any taste for it. One time Albanians had a free ride from US, in 99, but I doubt you'll get it again. Cannot enter the same river twice.

So I say - arrest all those "freedom fighters" and make the hearings public, with as graphic evidence as possible. If Dutch can do it, why Serbs can't ?

The Albanians are well known for giving ultimatums to judges here in our hypocritical US of A-and that's only for sentencing. Detroit Michigan knows best!

there are probably three or four stereotypes of albanian comment iterated on and on here... and that´s it.

if they have no argument at all, they come up with some, "with your superior Serbs-behaviour you can not expect us to stay in Serbia"-nonsense.

as if they are being asked!

international law is not there to be violated by a bunch of chickenthieves.

but once all these criminal elements disappear, all those Albanians who are decent and honest poeple, just looking to give their kids a good future, these guys will enjoy the positive effects of living in southern Serbia.

but until that happens, there has to pass some time.

and I think it will be many years, until that day.

"The one must wonder what kind of people support criminals and violence"

The irony is extremely amusing, being said by someone whose screen name is that of a convicted war criminal. Absolutely hilarous.

"Extremist Albanians are turning their kids into suicide bombers."


Oh really? When was the last time that ever happened? Right, never. Just like it has never happened before, it will never happen in the future. And why would it ever happen? After all, here's some breaking news: Albanians won.

We aren't talking about the Middle East here, we're talking about Europe. Or maybe Europe is a place that Serbia doesn't belong in.

Thanks for your extremist view, Serb.

i agree that blero's comments on this page sum up the albanian irredentist agenda very well. as one of the more articulate posters he is able to do such a summary probably without even realising that some people could see it as what it is - 19th century style irredentist nationalism. i'm not saying that serbian claim to kosovo is much different, mind. i just don't see why albanian irredentism should be acceptable and serbian not. because serbs happen to have been stronger for the most part of the past century?

These arrests are serving a political purpose. Anyone with rudimentary understanding of international politics can see that.
it amazes me to see how low levels of integrative complexity does the Serbian and Albanian camp of posters seem to posses. this simple thinking is what got the Serbs in trouble with the international community for the past 19 years, and is proving to be a problem for the Albanian camp since their declaration of independence.

i guess generations who come out of periods of political instability are bound to experience significant limitations in information processing and integration.

in any event, these people should be afforded a due process; it is the only way we can disseminate the facts.

cheers from USA

"Wow, a typical Milosevic era labelling (irredentist).
You forgot other labels from his rich repertoire (e.g. nationalist, chauvinist, jihad etc..).
Niall, if you believe them to be guilty why cant their trial be in an international court.
If you believe so much in the “proofs” you have why insist for them to be tried in Belgrade"

Blero,

Serbia is an independent sovereign state in which you are a citizen of. It has its own judicial system, law courts, judges, juries, etc. If the crimes were committed on the territoty of the Republic of Serbia then Belgrade acted in accordance to its remit in arresting these men on suspicion of a crime. Every other state in the world does this. Its called upholding law & order.

You can rest assured that the men will get a fair trial. They will have access to legal representation (of their own chosing) and will have the right to due appeal which is their right as citizens of Serbia. They will have ample opportunity to defend themselves and clear their name. When they enter the court they will be innocent until proven guilty. If they win their case, they will walk free as innocent men, simply as. Foreign observers will be present in the court room to ensure that proceedings are fair. Now my friend, what is wrong with that. Its called following the rule of law, nothing else.

Serbia of today is not the Serbia/Yugoslavia of Milosevic or Tito. Its a free country with a centre left government which is fairly democratically elected.

The current Serbian government is transparent and accountable and has to renew its mandate every 4-5 years as stipulated under the Constitution. Boris Tadic bears no link with Slobbo or Mr Broz. The men will get a fair trial. Remember this is 2009 not 1999 or 1979. Alot has changed in the intervening years. Its time you opened your eyes and stop being irrational.

ACS (Another Canadian Serb)

your assertion (post #23) suggests two things to me:

1) your statement has an underlying assumption that suggests a sense of righteous justification;

2) that you subscribe to Conspiracies

The common perception of Serbia is that it is vertically sophisticated enough to join the EU (i.e Serbia has the necessary institutions--with some reforms needed--to belong in the EU)
horizontally speaking, however (i.e population sophistication), Serbia has a tough road ahead.

Nationalism is a root of all evil.

"Its just amazing to me that the Albanians fail to understand even the basic concepts of Law and Justice, they seem to think that there is no trail, if they are innocent as the Albanians are claiming then they will be released its that simple. However I severly doubt this to be the case because the government would not have engaged in such an operation without sufficient evidense to put these terrorists away", Vuk.

I think that the problem of the case is clearly notified in this account.
a. Is there evidence enough for the indictment?
b. Is there a reason to believe that false pretenses may exist?

As Vuk already explains: the government must have enough evidence. That this is a remarkable claim, is for me as a non-Serb clear. The world of justice and law should be seperated from any governmental influence, because she has their existence on their own base in a society. This is not the case in Serbia, where manipulation of the judicial system by the government is possible.

c. will the treatment of the accused be fair?

I doubt it. As Vuk already shows in his sentence at the end: "to put these terrorists away". Doesn't lie here behind the general feeling of the Serbian population, like most of the comments are showing, an Albanian is de facto a criminal?
In this way the Albanians are already guilty, because they are Albanians. It is what we call in general: prejudiced. It is against the whole of human rights, of which laws this Serbian government has to implement a lot. Not only on paper, but also in the praxis.

Jovan: "because, if so, ...it would be a shameful proof of some stupid parents who are educating their children to hat their neighbours... just like in our southern province Kosovo i Metohija...

this poor boy, if they put this wool-cap on his head ...then their future is not going to be good.

whoever teaches his kids to hate others, is sentencing them to become part of a low-level society."

As far as the terrorism is concerned, all of you should go to basics learnning and find out the correct definition of "terrorism".
If Albanians were terrorists you would not have any Serbs in Mitrovice, nor in the enclaves.
You would never have the satisfaction of seeing an Albanian blowing up himself. So your labeling Albanians as terrorists does not hold any water.

Albion, please oh please direct me to your dictionary.
Taken from Encarta's dictionary:
ter·ror·ism [ térrə rìzzəm ]


noun

Definition:

political violence: violence or the threat of violence, especially bombing, kidnapping, and assassination, carried out for political purposes
link:
http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/terrorism.html

So if I extend your logic, if Al'Qieda are terrorists there wouldn't be any Americans in NYC (appearantly it's only Albanians :) )And we (the world as a whole) would never have the satisfaction of seeing an Iraqi terrorist blow themselves up. Wow, I must have imagined that Americans still occupy New York in large numbers and that Iraqis have been exploding party confetti bombs tied to their chests.

What I didn't understand was you stance of early childhood terroist training. Do you think it is good or not good? You reference a comment and then went on a tirade about the rest looking up the definition of terrorism, which quite obviously you yourself didn't do. May I ask you if you're taking the role of pot or kettle here?

At the end of the day one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

From Encarta.com:
free·dom fight·er (plural free·dom fight·ers)


noun

Definition:

fighter in armed revolution: a participant in an armed revolution against a government or political system regarded as unjust

So if these gentlemen (I'll give them that much) have participated in acts intended to create a toxic environment through acts that bring about terror, then these gentlemen are BY DEFINITION terrorists. Regardless if they are fighting for the freedoms of others, they have terrorised, they are terrorists. Now I do not know if these gentlemen have commited such acts, nor is it my place to speculate. I do however know that following through in acts of terror is hidden in every single one of us, so you cannot retort with a blanket statement that it couldn't be possible, that it is some sort of conspiracy without you yourself knowing the facts. Considering the level of effort you took when trying to lecture the rest of the forum on the definitions of the word terrorism, and the lack luster, piss-poor examples you provided I would be highly surprised that you would actually inform yourself properly.

Let's see here,1o kla terrorist were arrested 10 yrs after the alleged crimes. If i'm not mistaken that is what was written.There's not much more specifics involved. Now if there truly is a factual case with real evidence than maybe it is just.It's real odd how the mup's can't find their own war criminals.No one know's what is fact anymore because both sides are full of shit. There will never be complete peace or exceptence. |Both serb's and albanian's will be looking over there shoulder's for the next few generations. |WHY because both sides did wrong but some were aggressers and some where more defensive not that that changes anything right or wrong but those r the fact's.

I hope these ex KLA members get inducted to Guantanamo.

The protests will last until every single Albanian arrested on the orders of the War Crimes Prosecution on December 26 is released from custody, says Memet Azizi...

Well Mr. Azizi don't hold your breath because these albanian terrorists won't be released any time soon and hopefully they are going away for a long time. Finally someone who has the guts to stand up to some of the worst warcrimes commited in Kosovo history.
Albanians can protest all they want, after all it's their right to do so, but that's is all they can do. Albanians can turn this into something that it is not but in the end they will loose.

I wonder why Kosovo authorities do not start to arrests serbian gests who go to Kosovo.
Belgrade need to find Mladic and not hide him.

We can say that each ex republic of Yugoslavia has moved aehed except Serbia still playing the cheap old games designed by Milosevic.

To the above posters,

Reading your comments is further proof that life under serbian leadership is impossible for Albanians. It is sad to see that some of the more moderate posters like yourselves share this sentiment. After all majority of Serbs are with SRS, and we are well aware how they feel about Albanians.

Biljana wrote:

"I do not think that this time Albanians going to get any special attention from foreign countries, unless of course they begin with killing each others again in order to frame Serbian police."

CG wrote:

"Also Serb civilians must arm and organize themselves to be prepared for whatsoever.
If you are armed and ready to defend yourself you will always beat the extremist Albanians,even if they are more because they are scared of our militias."

And finally CG again wrote:

"I wouldn`t be surprised if this boy has a set of bombs under his jacket."

These are just a few of absured comments that show the level of hate that you all posess. Your feeling of superiority is sickening to all us albanians.

Just to remind you that Kosova will never be ruled by your leadership again! We have witnessed segregation, intimidation, racism, torture, and even killings by you.

Life in Kosova is much better now then it ever was and it will only get better after we reach full sovereignty without Eulex.

And finally, open your eyes and start providing some rights to those Albanian in Presheva because if you continue like this time will come that you will loose that part of territory too.

I wouldn`t be surprised if this boy has a set of bombs under his jacket.
Extremist Albanians are turning their kids into suicide bombers.

Nothing new expected here. As I said weeks ago when the criminals were arrested, Albanians are going to protest.

What is next? Perhaps killing Serbian police forces from the ambushes and kidnapping of civilians of Serbian nationality in Presevo Valley, throwing the bombs on Serbian shops and bars. The list goes on. All these have been already seen in Kosovo and this is what some members of IC have supported. Unfortunately, by doing this IC has sent clear message that violence against authorities is valid and perfectly legal mean in achieving the goal when it comes to land grab.

The one must wonder what kind of people support criminals and violence.

Presevo Valley Albanians demand the release of the criminals even though they are very well aware that these criminals were involved in most brutal killings. What kind of picture I can get about the Albanians after reading this?

Anyway, just go ahead with your protest. I do not mind since it will be your own waste of time. The criminals won’t be released and hopefully they will get what they deserve after fair trial before special court. I do not think that this time Albanians going to get any special attention from foreign countries, unless of course they begin with killing each others again in order to frame Serbian police. But this time, learning from the past, Serbian authorities are ready for all their traps. Watch out, you might be under surveillance 24/7. There will be proof for every single step Albanians take in order to destabilise region.

It is not wise to release those suspected of terrorism. Their internment living conditions are much better than Guantanamo, and they will receive a much better trial in Serbia than any Muslim terrorist ever would at any US base. Albanians should be interested in Justice for those brutally murdered and tortured Serbs not acquitting the guilty.

I am surprised how Serbian thinking pattern did not change for decades. It reminds me Sesel’s speech decades ago about Kosovo. With this concept Serbia is going to loose Preseva Valley like Kosovo. Albanians of Kosovo had experienced Serbian justice. A lot of innocent people spent years in prisons accused for terrorisms even thou did not kill anybody.
Applying the same logics, Government of Kosovo should arrest all Serbs who were under uniform during Kosovo war. I do not think that this arrested in Kosovo during the war.

Its just amazing to me that the Albanians fail to understand even the basic concepts of Law and Justice, they seem to think that there is no trail, if they are innocent as the Albanians are claiming then they will be released its that simple.

It is just amazing to me that someone is amazed and cannot understand that Albanians in amazing way do not trust any Serbian justice.

@Biljana

I`m not for Serbian policemen in Presevo,best solution would be mixed patrols.
If something like kidnappings and assaults were to happen the state should act and the perpetrators should get a very high sentence.
Also Serb civilians must arm and organize themselves to be prepared for whatsoever.
If you are armed and ready to defend yourself you will always beat the extremist Albanians,even if they are more because they are scared of our militias.
Just look at Northern Mitrovica,their goal is to ethnically cleanse the Northern part of Serbs but they have been rebutted time and again.

Its just amazing to me that the Albanians fail to understand even the basic concepts of Law and Justice, they seem to think that there is no trail, if they are innocent as the Albanians are claiming then they will be released its that simple. However I severly doubt this to be the case because the government would not have engaged in such an operation without sufficient evidense to put these terrorists away.

there can be no discussion about the arrested criminals. they get what they deserve and period.

what I would like to know, this picture is it shot in southern Serbia?

because, if so, ...it would be a shameful proof of some stupid parents who are educating their children to hat their neighbours... just like in our southern province Kosovo i Metohija...

this poor boy, if they put this wool-cap on his head ...then their future is not going to be good.

whoever teaches his kids to hate others, is sentencing them to become part of a low-level society.

If these people are proven innocent, they should be set free, if not, they should sit in prison for their crimes. It's really that simple!

Also, what's with Albanians thinking that the EU will support them in their landgrab aspirations? Give them a finger (Kosovo) and they want the whole hand! Do they think the EU actually cares about Albanian landgrab aspirations? Maybe it's better that the Lisbon Treaty is not ratified!

(Peter Sudyka, 7 January 2009 10:05)

Peter,

Sorry to disappoint you but the only land grab that has occurred in these regions happened when Albanian territories were given to Serbia.
Would you treat a land grab if Poland requests for the Polish territory occupied by Russia after WW2?
Also Peter, we are not discussing the land grabbing here.
What we are discussing is the fact that the accused will never get a fair trial in Serbian courts.
As per my last comment Peter, let them be tried in an international and unbiased court.
Peter, being tried in Serbian courts is like being tried in Stalinist era in Russia (or if you are a Chechen tried in Russian courts today).
What you will get is Siberia no matter if you are as innocent as a 2 day old baby.
So please Peter, until you have had experience of the Serbian justice system (against Albanians) please do not put comments you have.

Blero

First of all I don't have to prove anything. The fact is you are the accuser so you should prove everything you claim. However, just to prove to you and all readers at this forum that I stand behind my word I will submit a link were serbs are on trail IN SERBIA for the killing of albanians. So, Blero, go and spread your hatred somewhere else.

This is an article from US Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-12-11-kosovo-trial_N.htm?csp=34

I just know that you will find something wrong with this article as well. That's just the type of people you are...

"I believe that you will find that it is not only us that don’t think that Serbia is a respected country." Blero

If you stand behind what you say then prove to me [with an article) what other people think that todays Serbia is not a respected country?

I believe that there will never be justice if one side in this conflict becomes the judge of the deeds done by the other side. Prudence and wisdom was required from Serbia again which in this case should have worked with international tribunal to assure impartial justice. Yet Serbia chose to impose it's will by force even in a fairly aggravated environment. A very unwise move. Now Albanians have one more reason to apply the same disobedience toward Belgrade, that K-Serbs do towards Prishtina. In few words an unnecessary conflict was born.

The claim that the Serbian justice system will be fair and just in trialing Albanians accused for murdering Serbian citizens by their very own Serbian state, is not only laughable, but inherently biased. The conflict of interest is clear.

Serbian judge, Serbian persecutor, Serbian system of justice, trialing Albanians accused of killing Serbs.......

The protests will last until every single Albanian arrested on the orders of the War Crimes Prosecution on December 26 is released from custody, says Memet Azizi...

Mr. Azizi, you had better be ready to protest for the next 50 years or so! Because these terrorist, every one of them will be locked for that long, ZERO chance of anyone being released.

These arrests are serving a political purpose. Anyone with rudimentary understanding of international politics can see that.
it amazes me to see how low levels of integrative complexity does the Serbian and Albanian camp of posters seem to posses. this simple thinking is what got the Serbs in trouble with the international community for the past 19 years, and is proving to be a problem for the Albanian camp since their declaration of independence.

i guess generations who come out of periods of political instability are bound to experience significant limitations in information processing and integration.

in any event, these people should be afforded a due process; it is the only way we can disseminate the facts.

cheers from USA

i don´t know whats more bizarre in tadic-serbia:

the fact that this provocateus and terrorist-supportes aren´t arested or the fact that the children of the 10 war-criminals, who had weapons at home and pictures of tortured serbs, still (after 2 weeks) aren´t taken away by the social services and given to civilized families, where they would have a future too.

After the farce that was the Haradinaj 'trial' at the Hague, where prosecution witnesses were either murdered or terrified of testifying, we can only hope that these suspects are dealt with properly. As the so-called international community (ie.USA) has no intention of punishing Albanian criminals, we can only hope that Serbian legal institutions will follow due process, and if found guilty, put these characters safely behind bars where they no doubt belong.

azizi is concerned because now MUP is going to get even more information out of these uck terrorists.

as for halimi, don't worry riza more arrest should follow.

"The one must wonder what kind of people support criminals and violence"

The irony is extremely amusing, being said by someone whose screen name is that of a convicted war criminal. Absolutely hilarous.

(Mike, 6 January 2009 21:34)

Mike, like it or not everything revolves around the bitter truth (fact).

No Albanian has, does and will never receive a fair trail in Serbian courts.
Unfortunately this is was, is and will be the fact for times to come.
I can assure you that every Albanian (no matter where he is) will be happy for any Albanian (freedom fighter or terrorist – call them whatever one likes) to be tried by an independent and unbiased court.
I know that you might disagree on this Mike hoverer we have experienced the “Serbian Justice System” for a long time.
When Albanians are concerned, the only think that the Serbia judge thinks from day one of the Court Session is how many years of hard imprisonment should he give to the defendant (15-20-30).
So please Mike, do not try to “prove” us that they will get a fair trail. When the “accused” is Albanian the term “fair trial” does not exist. At lease not in Serbian courts.

(Niall O'Doherty, 7 January 2009 11:53)

Wow, a typical Milosevic era labelling (irredentist).
You forgot other labels from his rich repertoire (e.g. nationalist, chauvinist, jihad etc..).
Niall, if you believe them to be guilty why cant their trial be in an international court.
If you believe so much in the “proofs” you have why insist for them to be tried in Belgrade.

If Serbia thinks that with the attitude that Serbia shows towards Albanians in Serbia they expect from them to be loyal citizens, think again.
Niall, don’t forget the oppressed will rise sooner or latter

(MikeC, 7 January 2009 12:02)
I believe that you will find that it is not only us that don’t think that Serbia is a respected country.
Prove me wrong MikeC, mention one action that the Serbian government (past and present) has done to prove Albanians that it is a democratic country. Name one single act that is done to integrate Albanians in Serbia in the Serbian democracy.
I can help you with that MikeC. The answer to both is “ZERO”.
Also MikeC, could you please tel me how many Serbs have been tried and found guilty for war crimes against Albanians. If any of them is tried could you please let me know their jail sentence and their crime. Once you have done that please give me your judgment if the sentence given is the appropriate for the crimes committed.
Until you have done that, your aim to advertise a “respected” Serbia to us is a waste of time.

(Peter Sudyka, 7 January 2009 13:22)

Peter, prove me that the Present Serbia is better than the Stalinist Russia when Albanians are concerned.
As I asked MikeC, give me one single example that would prove my theory wrong.
One single act that differentiates today’s Serbia from the Serbia of the 90s (when Albanians are concerned Peter).
Only one will do Peter.
I quote your comment: “and learned who our real enemy is and who not to trust”.
This is where we agree. We have also learned who our enemy is and who not to trust.
It was (and is) a very costly lesson but we have learned.
If Serbia wants to prove us wrong, the doors are opened (though I have a feeling this will not happen in mine or your life time Peter).
Until then Peter, Serbia does not participate in our circle of trust.

Artan,

At the risk of pointing out both your inconsistent and hypocritcal comments, let me dissect what you wrote one by one, and mind you, this is coming from a non-Serb, so you'll be able to digest it easier knowing it's not coming from an equally mindless nationalist:

You write: "After all majority of Serbs are with SRS, and we are well aware how they feel about Albanians."

-- First, in case you didn't realize it, the SRS has never been part of a ruling coalition in post-Milosevic Serbia for two reasons: 1) no one wants to ally with it and 2) It never reaches more than 30 - 33% of the popular vote. You also conveniently overlook the fact that in the last election, ZES beat the SRS by nearly 10 percentage points. Finally, Nikolic's split with Seselj has completely undermined any strength the SRS can muster in the future.

Your argument that "majority of Serbs are with SRS" holds no water.

Second, you seem to act incredulously at the reactions Serbs show to Albanians who are effectively calling for not only an international intervention to break away from a state, but are also openly supporting people that engaged in terrorism. To put it simpler, these are people who are sympathizing with Albanian Mladics and Karadzics. Yes, I know you may regard them as freedom fighters simply because of their ethnicity, but a war criminal is a war criminal. So I'd be a little more understanding when people are angry at another group of people looking to forment more conflict and hopefully secede. Isn't that what the media in Prisina depicts the K-Serbs north of the Ibar always doing? Isn't that what you probably thought when you saw protesters in Belgrade angry at Karadzic's arrest? As far as I'm concerned, these Albanians in Presevo are only demonstrating their incapability of living with anyone else.

Suedfeld,
i am assumming that you are refering to the due process Serbia received, when the USA bombed the living day lights out of it!!!
......without just cause

"Extremist Albanians are turning their kids into suicide bombers."


Oh really? When was the last time that ever happened? Right, never. Just like it has never happened before, it will never happen in the future. And why would it ever happen? After all, here's some breaking news: Albanians won.

We aren't talking about the Middle East here, we're talking about Europe. Or maybe Europe is a place that Serbia doesn't belong in.

Thanks for your extremist view, Serb.

Peter,

Sorry to disappoint you but the only land grab that has occurred in these regions happened when Albanian territories were given to Serbia.
Would you treat a land grab if Poland requests for the Polish territory occupied by Russia after WW2?
Also Peter, we are not discussing the land grabbing here.
What we are discussing is the fact that the accused will never get a fair trial in Serbian courts.
As per my last comment Peter, let them be tried in an international and unbiased court.
Peter, being tried in Serbian courts is like being tried in Stalinist era in Russia (or if you are a Chechen tried in Russian courts today).
What you will get is Siberia no matter if you are as innocent as a 2 day old baby.
So please Peter, until you have had experience of the Serbian justice system (against Albanians) please do not put comments you have.
(blero, 7 January 2009 11:05)

and that my friends sums up the real Albanian irredentist agenda. The inability to live with others not of their own stock and continued territorial destruction of Serbia. What next? Nis? Novi Beograd?

blero,

"Would you treat a land grab if Poland requests for the Polish territory occupied by Russia after WW2? "

I can understand your comparison here, but the difference is Poles do not call for the return of our lands. We have accepted our loss and learned who our real enemy is and who not to trust.

"As per my last comment Peter, let them be tried in an international and unbiased court."

Fair enough, I agree here.

"Peter, being tried in Serbian courts is like being tried in Stalinist era in Russia (or if you are a Chechen tried in Russian courts today). "

I think your parallel is a harsh one. Serbia of today is not the Serbia of the 90's, and certainly not comparible to a bloodthirsty monster like Stalin was. Stalin ordered the massacre of over 20 000 Poles, deported 1,7 million to gulags, raped thousands of our women and interned, tortured and killed anyone against communist ideology. I understand that Albanians suffered under Serbian rule in the 90's, but I don't think it is fair to compare the Yugoslavia of the 90's and most certainly not to Stalin's Russia when talking about today's Serbia.

AnotherCanadian serb says:
You seem to forget that the Serbs have never attacked another nation.

You seem to have been frozen in time during the 90'ties.
I dont think any further comment is neccessary here.

ACS (Another Canadian Serb)

your assertion (post #23) suggests two things to me:

1) your statement has an underlying assumption that suggests a sense of righteous justification;

2) that you subscribe to Conspiracies

The common perception of Serbia is that it is vertically sophisticated enough to join the EU (i.e Serbia has the necessary institutions--with some reforms needed--to belong in the EU)
horizontally speaking, however (i.e population sophistication), Serbia has a tough road ahead.

Nationalism is a root of all evil.

blero

War crimes agains albanians have been on trail in Serbia. How many serb victims have had a trail in Kosovo by albanians? NONE! Serbia is today a respected country on the verge of joining the EU. But you still compare it to Stalin Russia. However, you seem to be the only one with this opinion. Name one more people, other than the albanians, that think Serbia today is an undemocratic and a dictatorship country? That's right! Albanians are the only ones! Albanians are the only people that critisize Serbia in everything she does. Nothing is good enough for you. Even if Serbias president was Gandhi himself Serbia and serbian people would be evil if you ask albanians.

Wow, a typical Milosevic era labelling (irredentist).
You forgot other labels from his rich repertoire (e.g. nationalist, chauvinist, jihad etc..).
(blero, 7 January 2009 14:29)
irredentism is actually a factually correct interpretation of your views and so is nationalism (though not necessarily chauvinism). your invocation of "milosevic" on the other hand is completely anti-intellectual and fits perfectly into pattern you accuse others of (talking about "jihad" etc). using emotionally loaded words won't get you anywhere.

Martin,
if the whole pretence in bombing Serbia and eradicating the Serbian inhabitants from Kosovo was wrong. Then the Hague, which was unable to prove Milosevic guilty, hence why Slobo is dead, is nothing more than a cover and sham.

Congratulations to Serbia for taking care of the criminals!

Redzepi should watch his mouth.These inflammatory statements could be interpreted as being unconstitutional and inciting.
I am sure enough stuff for him to get arrested.

"Its just amazing to me that the Albanians fail to understand even the basic concepts of Law and Justice, they seem to think that there is no trail, if they are innocent as the Albanians are claiming then they will be released its that simple. However I severly doubt this to be the case because the government would not have engaged in such an operation without sufficient evidense to put these terrorists away", Vuk.

I think that the problem of the case is clearly notified in this account.
a. Is there evidence enough for the indictment?
b. Is there a reason to believe that false pretenses may exist?

As Vuk already explains: the government must have enough evidence. That this is a remarkable claim, is for me as a non-Serb clear. The world of justice and law should be seperated from any governmental influence, because she has their existence on their own base in a society. This is not the case in Serbia, where manipulation of the judicial system by the government is possible.

c. will the treatment of the accused be fair?

I doubt it. As Vuk already shows in his sentence at the end: "to put these terrorists away". Doesn't lie here behind the general feeling of the Serbian population, like most of the comments are showing, an Albanian is de facto a criminal?
In this way the Albanians are already guilty, because they are Albanians. It is what we call in general: prejudiced. It is against the whole of human rights, of which laws this Serbian government has to implement a lot. Not only on paper, but also in the praxis.

i agree that blero's comments on this page sum up the albanian irredentist agenda very well. as one of the more articulate posters he is able to do such a summary probably without even realising that some people could see it as what it is - 19th century style irredentist nationalism. i'm not saying that serbian claim to kosovo is much different, mind. i just don't see why albanian irredentism should be acceptable and serbian not. because serbs happen to have been stronger for the most part of the past century?

Suedfeld,

Huh!

Are you agreeing that Milosevic was innocent?

Or are you stating that Israel should be halted in their attempts to eradicate the Palestinians from Gaza, due to their greed for territorial consumptions, fueled by NATIONALISM.

You seem to forget that the Serbs have never attacked another nation.

Your posting has no merits and facts. I guess you have been feeding from the Western conspiracy theories, that Serbs are evil, genocidal and wish for a greater Serbia.

The Albanians are well known for giving ultimatums to judges here in our hypocritical US of A-and that's only for sentencing. Detroit Michigan knows best!

"Wow, a typical Milosevic era labelling (irredentist).
You forgot other labels from his rich repertoire (e.g. nationalist, chauvinist, jihad etc..).
Niall, if you believe them to be guilty why cant their trial be in an international court.
If you believe so much in the “proofs” you have why insist for them to be tried in Belgrade"

Blero,

Serbia is an independent sovereign state in which you are a citizen of. It has its own judicial system, law courts, judges, juries, etc. If the crimes were committed on the territoty of the Republic of Serbia then Belgrade acted in accordance to its remit in arresting these men on suspicion of a crime. Every other state in the world does this. Its called upholding law & order.

You can rest assured that the men will get a fair trial. They will have access to legal representation (of their own chosing) and will have the right to due appeal which is their right as citizens of Serbia. They will have ample opportunity to defend themselves and clear their name. When they enter the court they will be innocent until proven guilty. If they win their case, they will walk free as innocent men, simply as. Foreign observers will be present in the court room to ensure that proceedings are fair. Now my friend, what is wrong with that. Its called following the rule of law, nothing else.

Serbia of today is not the Serbia/Yugoslavia of Milosevic or Tito. Its a free country with a centre left government which is fairly democratically elected.

The current Serbian government is transparent and accountable and has to renew its mandate every 4-5 years as stipulated under the Constitution. Boris Tadic bears no link with Slobbo or Mr Broz. The men will get a fair trial. Remember this is 2009 not 1999 or 1979. Alot has changed in the intervening years. Its time you opened your eyes and stop being irrational.

How arrogant to walk around with the board "Preshevo is Kosovo".
And to involve kids in every political event.
I am disgusted.

there are probably three or four stereotypes of albanian comment iterated on and on here... and that´s it.

if they have no argument at all, they come up with some, "with your superior Serbs-behaviour you can not expect us to stay in Serbia"-nonsense.

as if they are being asked!

international law is not there to be violated by a bunch of chickenthieves.

but once all these criminal elements disappear, all those Albanians who are decent and honest poeple, just looking to give their kids a good future, these guys will enjoy the positive effects of living in southern Serbia.

but until that happens, there has to pass some time.

and I think it will be many years, until that day.

I'm sure those group of former militants are having fun proving how tough they are right now in the shower stalls in prison.

I sincerely doubt that self-appointed "international community" (read "USA") has any guts for another bombing campaign to wrestle yet another piece of land from Serbia for Albanians. Neither their European poodles seem to have any penchant for fighting these days... Therefore, this time any actions against Serbs threatened by this UCPMB boy whatever-his-tongue-breaking-name is very likely to be seen as terrorism, which in fact they are...and Albanians committing these actions will be seen as terrorists which in fact they are...and Albanian supporting those who committing terrorist acts will be seen as terrorist-supporters. Which in fact they are :-)
Given the attitude towards terrorism these days...I doubt Pristina "leadership" - or, more precisely, their masters - would have any taste for it. One time Albanians had a free ride from US, in 99, but I doubt you'll get it again. Cannot enter the same river twice.

So I say - arrest all those "freedom fighters" and make the hearings public, with as graphic evidence as possible. If Dutch can do it, why Serbs can't ?

Jovan: "because, if so, ...it would be a shameful proof of some stupid parents who are educating their children to hat their neighbours... just like in our southern province Kosovo i Metohija...

this poor boy, if they put this wool-cap on his head ...then their future is not going to be good.

whoever teaches his kids to hate others, is sentencing them to become part of a low-level society."

As far as the terrorism is concerned, all of you should go to basics learnning and find out the correct definition of "terrorism".
If Albanians were terrorists you would not have any Serbs in Mitrovice, nor in the enclaves.
You would never have the satisfaction of seeing an Albanian blowing up himself. So your labeling Albanians as terrorists does not hold any water.

@martin
The people who were arrested are Serbian citizens living in Serbia. So the serbian judicial branch is in charge of prosecuting them. Its not like Serbia is going into Kosovo and arresting war criminals there.

Let's see here,1o kla terrorist were arrested 10 yrs after the alleged crimes. If i'm not mistaken that is what was written.There's not much more specifics involved. Now if there truly is a factual case with real evidence than maybe it is just.It's real odd how the mup's can't find their own war criminals.No one know's what is fact anymore because both sides are full of shit. There will never be complete peace or exceptence. |Both serb's and albanian's will be looking over there shoulder's for the next few generations. |WHY because both sides did wrong but some were aggressers and some where more defensive not that that changes anything right or wrong but those r the fact's.

Albion, please oh please direct me to your dictionary.
Taken from Encarta's dictionary:
ter·ror·ism [ térrə rìzzəm ]


noun

Definition:

political violence: violence or the threat of violence, especially bombing, kidnapping, and assassination, carried out for political purposes
link:
http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/terrorism.html

So if I extend your logic, if Al'Qieda are terrorists there wouldn't be any Americans in NYC (appearantly it's only Albanians :) )And we (the world as a whole) would never have the satisfaction of seeing an Iraqi terrorist blow themselves up. Wow, I must have imagined that Americans still occupy New York in large numbers and that Iraqis have been exploding party confetti bombs tied to their chests.

What I didn't understand was you stance of early childhood terroist training. Do you think it is good or not good? You reference a comment and then went on a tirade about the rest looking up the definition of terrorism, which quite obviously you yourself didn't do. May I ask you if you're taking the role of pot or kettle here?

At the end of the day one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

From Encarta.com:
free·dom fight·er (plural free·dom fight·ers)


noun

Definition:

fighter in armed revolution: a participant in an armed revolution against a government or political system regarded as unjust

So if these gentlemen (I'll give them that much) have participated in acts intended to create a toxic environment through acts that bring about terror, then these gentlemen are BY DEFINITION terrorists. Regardless if they are fighting for the freedoms of others, they have terrorised, they are terrorists. Now I do not know if these gentlemen have commited such acts, nor is it my place to speculate. I do however know that following through in acts of terror is hidden in every single one of us, so you cannot retort with a blanket statement that it couldn't be possible, that it is some sort of conspiracy without you yourself knowing the facts. Considering the level of effort you took when trying to lecture the rest of the forum on the definitions of the word terrorism, and the lack luster, piss-poor examples you provided I would be highly surprised that you would actually inform yourself properly.