Jeremić: No partition of Kosovo

miri,

Kosova is the correct word if you are referring to Bantu speaking people in the Kisii district of western Kenya.
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/Kosovo/kosova.html
If you are referring to the cradle of Serbian civilization however, which I believe you are, then the correct word is Kosovo. It is a Serbian word, because Kosovo is Serbian, just like all other things in Kosovo are Serbian. You can change the name to whatever you like, but you can not change the history and the heritage of Kosovo :)). Please educate yourself.
Cheers!!

What negotiations! Kosovo is serbian land and albanians can live their in peace if they wish to. Those who don't can return from where they came, Albania.

Jeremic lacks the most elementary skills for a diplomat. He is prejudging the outcome of ICJ, which in turn shows the lack of respect to the very people that he is trusting Kosova's issue in ICJ. It has been a long time since Jeremic has been acting according to his radically fueled emotions rather than by a pragmatic and consensual spirit that should characterize all diplomats. Just like everyone else in Serbian government (Tadic included), he is not immune to the loss of Kosova. The notion of Serbian “supremacy” is implanted very deep in him and constantly is impairing his vision.

Keep ridiculing yourself Mr. Jeremic! Keep talking Mr. Jeremic! It's about time Kosova gets some new recognitions thanks to you.

seems like some of our albanian friends haven´t realized that the world is changing...
(Jovan, 6 January 2009 16:25)

Seems some of our serbian "friends" haven't realized yet that the world has already changed.

Can you please start spelling Kosovo the correct way? Thanks in advance!
(Ron, 6 January 2009 16:32)

Kosova is the right spelling sir!

Those who don't can return from where they came, Albania.
(MikeC, 6 January 2009 13:54)

The Albanians will do so when all the Serbs go back to the Ural Mts.

yes sure jeremic and santa claus is real

miri,
Can you please start spelling Kosovo the correct way? Thanks in advance!

When a judge tells you that something is illegal and you have an audience to witness that, do you still continue to break the law?

So all you Albanians who keep saying how ICJ ruling is not binding are only showing to your audience (the world) that you don't care if you break the law as long as you get what you want.

The world will be watching.

there is no "notion of serbian supremacy" ... it´s about the rule of law, I simply cannot understand what is so difficult to understand when Mr.Jeremic talks about the legal situation on the ground.

seems like some of our albanian friends haven´t realized that the world is changing...

what an amateur ICJ decision will not bring you anywhere its just an OPINION and thats all it is, in two years time will get a UN seat anyway.

Can you please start spelling Kosovo the correct way? Thanks in advance!
(Ron, 6 January 2009 16:32
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OK Ron you asked for it
Greater ALBANIA

Same old stories Mr.Jeremic, say something new man:)

By the time this ICJ completes papers/report the UDI will be recognized by most of the world.

Honestly no one in Kosova is thinking about it (including minorities) because everyone knows it's just a formal paper that will probably be read at UN HQ.

My guess is that by that time Serbia will recognize UDI as well. Once recognitions reach 100 that'll be it.

Also since Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia who border Kosova recognized the UDI I think that was it.

You got 3/4 bordering Kosova who say we're OK with UDI so?.

So no serb has the courage to accept that the ICJ opinion might go on the albanians favor also. What then Mr.Jeremic? Will you accept it? Or you will ask for partition?

Jsb, don´t worry my dear, I know that quite well - but as you do not seem to notice, if that ruling should be exercised the way it is expected by many jurists, then my dear, the game is over.

I won´t waste my time explaining to you why this means the definitive end of the greater albanian phantasies, I think thats more of something you have to figure out for yourself.

@Peggy:

you´re right, and the Albanians will come to the table voluntarily, after they realize that they are stuck in a dead end.

just a question of time ( and economic development ).

I very much doubt that Jeremic and his country are in a position to decide whether Kosovo will be partitioned or not. He can only aim at partition by using the Serbs in the northern part of Kosovo. And the card his country holds by influencing the Serbs in that part of Kosovo will eventually burn in his hands once the relevant decision making international factors decide so. Recent events in northern Mitrovica make that decision imminent.

there is no "notion of serbian supremacy" ... it´s about the rule of law, I simply cannot understand what is so difficult to understand when Mr.Jeremic talks about the legal situation on the ground.

(Jovan, 6 January 2009 16:25)

Jovan,

speaking in terms of law, may I remind you that the ICJ ruling ist CONSULTIVE and so the decision is let to the single states? With such a ruling you cannot bring anyone back to the table. May you answer me why Serbia didn't chose the BINDING procedure?

As for the world, it keeps changing in eternity dear friend, that's what we're here

Most of the world's population doesn't care either way.

Mr Jeremic;
You don't want to pour cold water over someone's idea but you have to be honest.

Roberto, I'm glad you've started to use "Planet Earth" as an address because it's not overly apparent from your ramblings that you're earthbound. Do you really - please concentrate now - believe Vuk Jeremic is a nationalist fanatic? If you do, then dialogue is clearly pointless. More likely though, the "nationalist" card is merely a cheap gambit to be played on anyone who differs from your highly partisan (I would say bigoted) take on Balkan politics. Pathetic and pointless.

Bravo Dave

I would mention Gaza to Roberto, Reuben, rovin or whatever he calls himself but that is also not earth bound and as per usual it never sees the light of day on this site.

It is quite apparent that like some posters on this site he has prepared great ramblings from some distant past and appears to paste great swaths of it to fit all manner of scenarios.

It is really great for Reuben Roberto rovin etc to quote words like 'peace', 'regime' 'nationalistic' etc because I shoot down a vodka with his primer words.

It's great but he would have to start posting big time to get me into a rambling state...

"Jeremic lacks the most elementary skills for a diplomat. He is prejudging the outcome of ICJ, which in turn shows the lack of respect to the very people that he is trusting Kosova's issue in ICJ. It has been a long time since Jeremic has been acting according to his radically fueled emotions rather than by a pragmatic and consensual spirit that should characterize all diplomats."
(miri)

as usual, i agree with miri. the thing about this leadership in blgd: they start out sounding "normal" democratic, centrist, and then, inevitably, they become fanatically nationalistic. just as one example, they exerted a tremendous amount of energy persuading, bullying and coercing their way into the icj, on their terms. i mean they utterly ignored the icj's ruling on genocide in bosnia and serbia's responsibility, totally inadequate as it was. then they pushed like hell to get kosovo/a on the agenda, never securing a UN plurality on the vote, but hey, apparently the un counters use a different system than we do. then, concurrently, they declared on multiple occasions that even IF the icj rules in kosovo/a's behalf, they'll ignore it. in truth it will be an ambiguous decision, count on that, but blgd thinks that it will buy them time...

then when croatia sues in the icj for genocide, they counter-sue. like some weird, balkan game of stratego.

but though it may play well at home (to the majority) it doesn't play so well internationally. even the generally spine-impaired and certainly ethically impaired (sorry) EU is getting tired of the endless and violence-inspiring rhetoric, and that is saying a lot.

as for flashpoint: mitrovica, i cannot say that ALL the violence and problems are coming from just one side; i don't know anyone who can claim this with full evidence and without question. but there is NO doubt that the blgd regime is making the most of it, and THat tradition is long and insidious. i'm sorry if some of you don't like to hear it, but it is the truth. there are unquestionably outside agents from the north in mitrovica who are stirring up trouble, and pretty successfully by my count.

so for me the questions move to the usual direction: what is the intl community (so-called) doing about it all. in other words, eulex. i don't see much, just business as usual. there needs to be full protection of ALL citizens, not just one ethnicity vs another. protection of property. of due process. of the rule of law. against corruption. in favor of building a civil society. promoting (eventual) investment and a move towards the EU. a push for inter-ethnic Tolerance.

thank you.

roberto
planet earth

Roberto wrote,

as for flashpoint: mitrovica, i cannot say that ALL the violence and problems are coming from just one side; i don't know anyone who can claim this with full evidence and without question. but there is NO doubt that the blgd regime is making the most of it, and THat tradition is long and insidious. i'm sorry if some of you don't like to hear it, but it is the truth. there are unquestionably outside agents from the north in mitrovica who are stirring up trouble, and pretty successfully by my count.

Your truth sounds awfully like a very biased opinion and that's all.

Do you intend to substantiate your wild accusation or you're just going to throw enough mud until some sticks?

Roberto, we all know you by now and we all know how heavilly biased you are towards the Albanian side.
We get it, you don't like Serbs or anyone associated with Serbs.

How about you tell your brothers in Israel to stop shelling innocent Palestenian children and condemn the Israeli government before you take cheap shots at the Belgrade government.
Nah, I guess this will not happen any more than you will ever see anything wrong with Albanian leadership in Pristina.
I guess, they are angels by your count. I haven't heard you critisize them once.

@Dave:

don´t believe Roberto is from San Fran, like he has been posting for a while...

he´s probably just one of those countless albanian kids who, in their desperation ( deep inside feeling that they are not illyrians and knowing that they won´t succeed ) pretend to be a western reader in order to create the impression as if someone outside of their little place takes care of them.

but, in reality, that´s not the case here.

actually it seems like the focal point of western conduct has been and still is Serbia, and the K-albanians are simply being used as a tool.

but as you know... tools are being put away when you do not need them.


there will be some disappointmen amongst them, but they will overcome their frustration.

of course they exist, a plan for a partition of Kosova is 37-40 years old ....but that it will not happen but we gonna watch a partition of serbia in future...

What negotiations! Kosovo is serbian land and albanians can live their in peace if they wish to. Those who don't can return from where they came, Albania.

yes sure jeremic and santa claus is real

Jeremic lacks the most elementary skills for a diplomat. He is prejudging the outcome of ICJ, which in turn shows the lack of respect to the very people that he is trusting Kosova's issue in ICJ. It has been a long time since Jeremic has been acting according to his radically fueled emotions rather than by a pragmatic and consensual spirit that should characterize all diplomats. Just like everyone else in Serbian government (Tadic included), he is not immune to the loss of Kosova. The notion of Serbian “supremacy” is implanted very deep in him and constantly is impairing his vision.

Keep ridiculing yourself Mr. Jeremic! Keep talking Mr. Jeremic! It's about time Kosova gets some new recognitions thanks to you.

seems like some of our albanian friends haven´t realized that the world is changing...
(Jovan, 6 January 2009 16:25)

Seems some of our serbian "friends" haven't realized yet that the world has already changed.

Can you please start spelling Kosovo the correct way? Thanks in advance!
(Ron, 6 January 2009 16:32)

Kosova is the right spelling sir!

Can you please start spelling Kosovo the correct way? Thanks in advance!
(Ron, 6 January 2009 16:32
--
OK Ron you asked for it
Greater ALBANIA

Those who don't can return from where they came, Albania.
(MikeC, 6 January 2009 13:54)

The Albanians will do so when all the Serbs go back to the Ural Mts.

what an amateur ICJ decision will not bring you anywhere its just an OPINION and thats all it is, in two years time will get a UN seat anyway.

miri,
Can you please start spelling Kosovo the correct way? Thanks in advance!

miri,

Kosova is the correct word if you are referring to Bantu speaking people in the Kisii district of western Kenya.
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/Kosovo/kosova.html
If you are referring to the cradle of Serbian civilization however, which I believe you are, then the correct word is Kosovo. It is a Serbian word, because Kosovo is Serbian, just like all other things in Kosovo are Serbian. You can change the name to whatever you like, but you can not change the history and the heritage of Kosovo :)). Please educate yourself.
Cheers!!

Same old stories Mr.Jeremic, say something new man:)

By the time this ICJ completes papers/report the UDI will be recognized by most of the world.

Honestly no one in Kosova is thinking about it (including minorities) because everyone knows it's just a formal paper that will probably be read at UN HQ.

My guess is that by that time Serbia will recognize UDI as well. Once recognitions reach 100 that'll be it.

Also since Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia who border Kosova recognized the UDI I think that was it.

You got 3/4 bordering Kosova who say we're OK with UDI so?.

there is no "notion of serbian supremacy" ... it´s about the rule of law, I simply cannot understand what is so difficult to understand when Mr.Jeremic talks about the legal situation on the ground.

seems like some of our albanian friends haven´t realized that the world is changing...

Jsb, don´t worry my dear, I know that quite well - but as you do not seem to notice, if that ruling should be exercised the way it is expected by many jurists, then my dear, the game is over.

I won´t waste my time explaining to you why this means the definitive end of the greater albanian phantasies, I think thats more of something you have to figure out for yourself.

@Peggy:

you´re right, and the Albanians will come to the table voluntarily, after they realize that they are stuck in a dead end.

just a question of time ( and economic development ).

When a judge tells you that something is illegal and you have an audience to witness that, do you still continue to break the law?

So all you Albanians who keep saying how ICJ ruling is not binding are only showing to your audience (the world) that you don't care if you break the law as long as you get what you want.

The world will be watching.

there is no "notion of serbian supremacy" ... it´s about the rule of law, I simply cannot understand what is so difficult to understand when Mr.Jeremic talks about the legal situation on the ground.

(Jovan, 6 January 2009 16:25)

Jovan,

speaking in terms of law, may I remind you that the ICJ ruling ist CONSULTIVE and so the decision is let to the single states? With such a ruling you cannot bring anyone back to the table. May you answer me why Serbia didn't chose the BINDING procedure?

As for the world, it keeps changing in eternity dear friend, that's what we're here

Mr Jeremic;
You don't want to pour cold water over someone's idea but you have to be honest.

I very much doubt that Jeremic and his country are in a position to decide whether Kosovo will be partitioned or not. He can only aim at partition by using the Serbs in the northern part of Kosovo. And the card his country holds by influencing the Serbs in that part of Kosovo will eventually burn in his hands once the relevant decision making international factors decide so. Recent events in northern Mitrovica make that decision imminent.

"Jeremic lacks the most elementary skills for a diplomat. He is prejudging the outcome of ICJ, which in turn shows the lack of respect to the very people that he is trusting Kosova's issue in ICJ. It has been a long time since Jeremic has been acting according to his radically fueled emotions rather than by a pragmatic and consensual spirit that should characterize all diplomats."
(miri)

as usual, i agree with miri. the thing about this leadership in blgd: they start out sounding "normal" democratic, centrist, and then, inevitably, they become fanatically nationalistic. just as one example, they exerted a tremendous amount of energy persuading, bullying and coercing their way into the icj, on their terms. i mean they utterly ignored the icj's ruling on genocide in bosnia and serbia's responsibility, totally inadequate as it was. then they pushed like hell to get kosovo/a on the agenda, never securing a UN plurality on the vote, but hey, apparently the un counters use a different system than we do. then, concurrently, they declared on multiple occasions that even IF the icj rules in kosovo/a's behalf, they'll ignore it. in truth it will be an ambiguous decision, count on that, but blgd thinks that it will buy them time...

then when croatia sues in the icj for genocide, they counter-sue. like some weird, balkan game of stratego.

but though it may play well at home (to the majority) it doesn't play so well internationally. even the generally spine-impaired and certainly ethically impaired (sorry) EU is getting tired of the endless and violence-inspiring rhetoric, and that is saying a lot.

as for flashpoint: mitrovica, i cannot say that ALL the violence and problems are coming from just one side; i don't know anyone who can claim this with full evidence and without question. but there is NO doubt that the blgd regime is making the most of it, and THat tradition is long and insidious. i'm sorry if some of you don't like to hear it, but it is the truth. there are unquestionably outside agents from the north in mitrovica who are stirring up trouble, and pretty successfully by my count.

so for me the questions move to the usual direction: what is the intl community (so-called) doing about it all. in other words, eulex. i don't see much, just business as usual. there needs to be full protection of ALL citizens, not just one ethnicity vs another. protection of property. of due process. of the rule of law. against corruption. in favor of building a civil society. promoting (eventual) investment and a move towards the EU. a push for inter-ethnic Tolerance.

thank you.

roberto
planet earth

So no serb has the courage to accept that the ICJ opinion might go on the albanians favor also. What then Mr.Jeremic? Will you accept it? Or you will ask for partition?

of course they exist, a plan for a partition of Kosova is 37-40 years old ....but that it will not happen but we gonna watch a partition of serbia in future...

Most of the world's population doesn't care either way.

Roberto, I'm glad you've started to use "Planet Earth" as an address because it's not overly apparent from your ramblings that you're earthbound. Do you really - please concentrate now - believe Vuk Jeremic is a nationalist fanatic? If you do, then dialogue is clearly pointless. More likely though, the "nationalist" card is merely a cheap gambit to be played on anyone who differs from your highly partisan (I would say bigoted) take on Balkan politics. Pathetic and pointless.

Roberto wrote,

as for flashpoint: mitrovica, i cannot say that ALL the violence and problems are coming from just one side; i don't know anyone who can claim this with full evidence and without question. but there is NO doubt that the blgd regime is making the most of it, and THat tradition is long and insidious. i'm sorry if some of you don't like to hear it, but it is the truth. there are unquestionably outside agents from the north in mitrovica who are stirring up trouble, and pretty successfully by my count.

Your truth sounds awfully like a very biased opinion and that's all.

Do you intend to substantiate your wild accusation or you're just going to throw enough mud until some sticks?

Roberto, we all know you by now and we all know how heavilly biased you are towards the Albanian side.
We get it, you don't like Serbs or anyone associated with Serbs.

How about you tell your brothers in Israel to stop shelling innocent Palestenian children and condemn the Israeli government before you take cheap shots at the Belgrade government.
Nah, I guess this will not happen any more than you will ever see anything wrong with Albanian leadership in Pristina.
I guess, they are angels by your count. I haven't heard you critisize them once.

@Dave:

don´t believe Roberto is from San Fran, like he has been posting for a while...

he´s probably just one of those countless albanian kids who, in their desperation ( deep inside feeling that they are not illyrians and knowing that they won´t succeed ) pretend to be a western reader in order to create the impression as if someone outside of their little place takes care of them.

but, in reality, that´s not the case here.

actually it seems like the focal point of western conduct has been and still is Serbia, and the K-albanians are simply being used as a tool.

but as you know... tools are being put away when you do not need them.


there will be some disappointmen amongst them, but they will overcome their frustration.

Bravo Dave

I would mention Gaza to Roberto, Reuben, rovin or whatever he calls himself but that is also not earth bound and as per usual it never sees the light of day on this site.

It is quite apparent that like some posters on this site he has prepared great ramblings from some distant past and appears to paste great swaths of it to fit all manner of scenarios.

It is really great for Reuben Roberto rovin etc to quote words like 'peace', 'regime' 'nationalistic' etc because I shoot down a vodka with his primer words.

It's great but he would have to start posting big time to get me into a rambling state...