Radicals, Islamic organization condemn Israel

To my Serb friends who support Sesil/SRS I wish you a more enlightened existence.This party is made up of idiots,buffoons and hypocrites.They talk about Serbia having the right to use force to maintain control of Kosovo but they want to deny Israel the right to exterminate mujahadeen killers in her neighborhood.As far as the Serbs who converted to Islam the less said about them the better.A garbage ideology in the middle of Europe is a disgrace to your land.

'The very way the modern state of Israel was created violates territorial integrity in every way.'

Do not say ridiculous things. what territorial integrity? of colonial palestine, divided between the french and british? when the colonial powers were gone from the middle east arabs got to create more than 20 states. the jewish people have only one, which belongs to them and which they must protect.

And i wont even waste my breath on srs or this islamic community.. you know its the one loyal to sarajevo and not belgrade. please.

Looks, like they have double standards. Why don't they support the free, independent Kosova Republic? Indeed, there were many innocent civilian Albanian victims due some criminal paramilitary organizations. No doubt, there was rape, torture, murder going on in 1998-1999. So - according the SRS logic - Kosova Republic would be justified.

Yes or no? Please, no double standards. If territory theft is not accepted in case/1, same does apply to the case/2.

Ah, yes, maybe it's not-so-hidden anti-semitism? Which is one of the most dumb things.

By the way: condemning Israel is second dumbest thing (declaring war on Russia and China is the dumbest) Serbia can do.

One should not forget: since 1990-s the ethnic picture of Israel changed drastically. The strongest ethnic element in Israel are... Russians. And guess, where their sympathies in Serbia/Kosovo issue are. Also entire Brooklyn and most of San Fran are on the same side. Roberto being one of the few exceptions. No need to spit in own soup if you have to eat it one day...

Even though I do not support the SRS anymore because of its sometime extreme and pointless rhetroic, I do have to agree with the SRS and the Islamic Community of Serbia. The very way the modern state of Israel was created violates territorial integrity in every way. However even today, Israel is wrong in what it is doing and the fighting should stop.

Luciano,Ataman

The greatest supporter of UCK , independent KOSOVO ,Jihadist killing serbs in Bosnia and the croatian neoustashes was the american jewish lobby from the very begginig.Media owned by jews worldwide demonized serbs from the end of 80s in a cheeky way comparing them to nazis.(as it does to other nations which brought a huge secrifice in the fight against hitlerism some decades before mainly POles,russians and the greek)Crimes commited by serbs were imidiatelly on the front pages while those commited against them were denied or hidden.Quite interestingly serbs became the bad guys while croats,bosniaks,albanians the good ones for the same reason as in 1941.They did not bow before the will of outside power for which Balkans were very importang strategically and geopolitically.

I believe that Israel is using excessive force here. Palestenians deserve to have a home just like the Israelis do. It's about time the US stops backing Israel unconditionally and starts to behave more fairly.

When you have injustice you will always have wars.
US brand of justice is not genuine justice.

When treaties are signed by Hamas, muslim factions spring up and say they did not sign any treaty, and so rocket attacks and other "resistence" actions continue. The one thing they have in common, the factions, is holding that kidnapping, suicide bombing, and these rocket attacks are legitimate resistance. That may be so, but there is also a legitimate response , wich is being done by the Isralis, to these methods. So Israel, bomb away! Subdue the muslims, and make them know that they are subuded.
This current conflict will end. The sign of a lasting peace will be the absence of muslim bravado declaring victory against the "zionist enemy". If you don't hear that, expect more"legitimate resistance" from the muslims after current hostilities end.

This is proof that the Radical party is the only one that is good in Serbia. Indeed, they condemn Israel's actions while others remain silent like bananas. The SRS is not too extreme. They are just different, in better ways perhaps.

Ataman -- you know there are times that i agree with you, and i certainly find your postings interesting. but this time i cannot. and i must add that if you are referring to jews in the bay area, we are of all and many minds -- but many jews here are very critical of israeli policies in general, and this attack upon gazan civilians in particular. i cannot give you exact stats, but trust me.

ok, now you did point to another phenomenon -- that of russian jews. (which i have a feeling you may be, at least partly, but that is yr business, i am not trying to "out" you.) yes, there are many russian jews (and some non-jews) living in israel. i met some of them when i was there baack in '93, and was amazed to see all of the russian language press in tel aviv, of all places! and good for them, i respect that.

and as i've mentioned, i taught ESL for at least 10 years to mainly senior citizens in SF, mostly from russia/soviet union. and typically, they are (in my words) much less critical of israeli policies than are other american jews. i can speculate the many reasons (how would you like to grow up jewish in the soviet union/rusiia?!), but anyways that was my observation. so in that sense i suppose that you (?) and i echo that division.

Personally, i was raised a very fervent zionist (in the 60s); in my united hebrew school, religion of a "moderate" bent was promoted, but Zionism was pushed, BIG-time. many of the kids came fr homes that never kept kosher (my formerly religious mom served us pork chops but never ham :-)), but i NEVER remember anyone in the school, child or adult, speaking out against israel back then. never.

now, many years later, i continue to supprt a homeland for my people. of course, how can i not? you, who come from E europe, even just reading some of these postings w their subtle and not-so-subtle anti-semitism... it is a no-brainer.

BUT, i also support the rights and the LIVES of palestinians, who are our cousins in more ways than one. i was raised to believe in respecting human rights (however that was posed) and i have continued, in my own way, to work for human rights around the world. with greater or lesser success. i am not perfect, not any saint, but i try to be consistent, try to press ahead whatever the others around me are saying. i know what has happened to israeli civilians, both in actuality and psychologically, and it is terrible. but it does NOT defend what has been happening to the palestinians, whatever i may think of some of their leaders.

mostly i am angry at our own leadership -- bush was hopeless with his bizarre (to me) evangelical view of the world-- many israelis in the Peace camp have called on the us govt (and the so-called jewish lobby here) to remain loyal to israel but in a more critical way. much more critical. does any of that make sense to you?

as for my current "bedfellows" on this site, the radicals?! the islamic leaders, certain posters here: thanks but no thanks.

thank you

roberto
planet earth

This is proof that the Radical party is the only one that is good in Serbia. Indeed, they condemn Israel's actions while others remain silent like bananas. The SRS is not too extreme. They are just different, in better ways perhaps.

Luciano,Ataman

The greatest supporter of UCK , independent KOSOVO ,Jihadist killing serbs in Bosnia and the croatian neoustashes was the american jewish lobby from the very begginig.Media owned by jews worldwide demonized serbs from the end of 80s in a cheeky way comparing them to nazis.(as it does to other nations which brought a huge secrifice in the fight against hitlerism some decades before mainly POles,russians and the greek)Crimes commited by serbs were imidiatelly on the front pages while those commited against them were denied or hidden.Quite interestingly serbs became the bad guys while croats,bosniaks,albanians the good ones for the same reason as in 1941.They did not bow before the will of outside power for which Balkans were very importang strategically and geopolitically.

I believe that Israel is using excessive force here. Palestenians deserve to have a home just like the Israelis do. It's about time the US stops backing Israel unconditionally and starts to behave more fairly.

When you have injustice you will always have wars.
US brand of justice is not genuine justice.

Even though I do not support the SRS anymore because of its sometime extreme and pointless rhetroic, I do have to agree with the SRS and the Islamic Community of Serbia. The very way the modern state of Israel was created violates territorial integrity in every way. However even today, Israel is wrong in what it is doing and the fighting should stop.

Ataman -- you know there are times that i agree with you, and i certainly find your postings interesting. but this time i cannot. and i must add that if you are referring to jews in the bay area, we are of all and many minds -- but many jews here are very critical of israeli policies in general, and this attack upon gazan civilians in particular. i cannot give you exact stats, but trust me.

ok, now you did point to another phenomenon -- that of russian jews. (which i have a feeling you may be, at least partly, but that is yr business, i am not trying to "out" you.) yes, there are many russian jews (and some non-jews) living in israel. i met some of them when i was there baack in '93, and was amazed to see all of the russian language press in tel aviv, of all places! and good for them, i respect that.

and as i've mentioned, i taught ESL for at least 10 years to mainly senior citizens in SF, mostly from russia/soviet union. and typically, they are (in my words) much less critical of israeli policies than are other american jews. i can speculate the many reasons (how would you like to grow up jewish in the soviet union/rusiia?!), but anyways that was my observation. so in that sense i suppose that you (?) and i echo that division.

Personally, i was raised a very fervent zionist (in the 60s); in my united hebrew school, religion of a "moderate" bent was promoted, but Zionism was pushed, BIG-time. many of the kids came fr homes that never kept kosher (my formerly religious mom served us pork chops but never ham :-)), but i NEVER remember anyone in the school, child or adult, speaking out against israel back then. never.

now, many years later, i continue to supprt a homeland for my people. of course, how can i not? you, who come from E europe, even just reading some of these postings w their subtle and not-so-subtle anti-semitism... it is a no-brainer.

BUT, i also support the rights and the LIVES of palestinians, who are our cousins in more ways than one. i was raised to believe in respecting human rights (however that was posed) and i have continued, in my own way, to work for human rights around the world. with greater or lesser success. i am not perfect, not any saint, but i try to be consistent, try to press ahead whatever the others around me are saying. i know what has happened to israeli civilians, both in actuality and psychologically, and it is terrible. but it does NOT defend what has been happening to the palestinians, whatever i may think of some of their leaders.

mostly i am angry at our own leadership -- bush was hopeless with his bizarre (to me) evangelical view of the world-- many israelis in the Peace camp have called on the us govt (and the so-called jewish lobby here) to remain loyal to israel but in a more critical way. much more critical. does any of that make sense to you?

as for my current "bedfellows" on this site, the radicals?! the islamic leaders, certain posters here: thanks but no thanks.

thank you

roberto
planet earth

'The very way the modern state of Israel was created violates territorial integrity in every way.'

Do not say ridiculous things. what territorial integrity? of colonial palestine, divided between the french and british? when the colonial powers were gone from the middle east arabs got to create more than 20 states. the jewish people have only one, which belongs to them and which they must protect.

And i wont even waste my breath on srs or this islamic community.. you know its the one loyal to sarajevo and not belgrade. please.

Looks, like they have double standards. Why don't they support the free, independent Kosova Republic? Indeed, there were many innocent civilian Albanian victims due some criminal paramilitary organizations. No doubt, there was rape, torture, murder going on in 1998-1999. So - according the SRS logic - Kosova Republic would be justified.

Yes or no? Please, no double standards. If territory theft is not accepted in case/1, same does apply to the case/2.

Ah, yes, maybe it's not-so-hidden anti-semitism? Which is one of the most dumb things.

By the way: condemning Israel is second dumbest thing (declaring war on Russia and China is the dumbest) Serbia can do.

One should not forget: since 1990-s the ethnic picture of Israel changed drastically. The strongest ethnic element in Israel are... Russians. And guess, where their sympathies in Serbia/Kosovo issue are. Also entire Brooklyn and most of San Fran are on the same side. Roberto being one of the few exceptions. No need to spit in own soup if you have to eat it one day...

To my Serb friends who support Sesil/SRS I wish you a more enlightened existence.This party is made up of idiots,buffoons and hypocrites.They talk about Serbia having the right to use force to maintain control of Kosovo but they want to deny Israel the right to exterminate mujahadeen killers in her neighborhood.As far as the Serbs who converted to Islam the less said about them the better.A garbage ideology in the middle of Europe is a disgrace to your land.

When treaties are signed by Hamas, muslim factions spring up and say they did not sign any treaty, and so rocket attacks and other "resistence" actions continue. The one thing they have in common, the factions, is holding that kidnapping, suicide bombing, and these rocket attacks are legitimate resistance. That may be so, but there is also a legitimate response , wich is being done by the Isralis, to these methods. So Israel, bomb away! Subdue the muslims, and make them know that they are subuded.
This current conflict will end. The sign of a lasting peace will be the absence of muslim bravado declaring victory against the "zionist enemy". If you don't hear that, expect more"legitimate resistance" from the muslims after current hostilities end.