Czech troops to pull out of KFOR?

Good Move from our dear Czech friends.

Kosovo army is getting shaped, and it will be just appropriate (and at the right time) to locate our ARMY to our borders with neighbours Serbia, Macedonia and MNG.

This is when KSF(Kosova Security Forces) or Kosova Army if you will takes over.

Thank you Czech Republic for your contributions we really appreciate it.

Someone had to begin pulling troops out of Kosova.

Well well well my dear Albanians. There has been much talk of revising the Kumanovo agreement and we all know that a replacement for the Czechs has to be from competent forces, so that rules out the so-called Kosovo security forces.

If NATO cannot replace these people internally then it is fairly certain it will be done with Serbian security forces, who have co-operated well with NATO over the years.

Now lets see what happens here! You can be sure no Albanians will be stationed on the provincial border with Serbia unless NATO wants more conflict on its hands!

The Czech have not received any threats from Russia. All the threats are, as usual, coming from NATO. They should listen more to Václav Klaus and less to that NATO lapdog Karel Schwarzenberg.

This is really about Afghanistan. They should withdraw from NATO completely and they will find out how much Russia loves them. NATO has obligations and benefits.

On 23 December 2008 14:42, Anthony wrote:

"That being said, this development - regardless of the mission- is just further evidence that whenever there is a NATO or Int'l mission all the heavy lifting will continue to be done by my boys and girls in the US armed forces."

Hmmm. You might want to check up on some numbers Anthony.

Assuming this chart http://www.nato.int/ISAF/docu/epub/pdf/isaf_placemat.pdf is somewhat accurate, the US has some 17790 soldiers in Afghanistan. And little Denmark has 750 soldiers.

Now, big US has a population of 300 million. Little Denmark has 5.5 million. So the US has a population that is 54 times larger than Denmark. 54 x 750 = 40,500. So even if the US doubled its forces in Afghanistan, you would still, relatively, be way behind Denmark.

Think about that while you climb down from your high horse.
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If the Czechs leave Kosova i wish them all the best for the future,all we can do is thank them for everything they'v done for Kosova and its people.Big thanks to the Czechs we appreciate it.

I guess only Brits and Americans can remain peheps Germans and Italians. The remaining part of the NATO troops will be compensated by new NATO member Albania.

You cannotcomplain with Czech's they say why should we spedn money for somthing that Albania is perfectly abel to do.

Kosovo Army is punchline looking for a joke. The so-called army will 2500 members limited to light wepans and side arms. No tank , no airforce, nothing. They cannot function without Kosovo Serb members. K-army will be under control of Nato and will not be allowed to be near Serb areas.

On 23 December 2008 12:00, PRN wrote:

"Kosovo army is getting shaped, and it will be just appropriate (and at the right time) to locate our ARMY to our borders with neighbours Serbia, Macedonia and MNG."

Why? Will a move like this stabilize the situation in your country and the neighbouring countries?

Or is it a case of immediate national Kosovo pride taking precedence over what is best for the whole region on the long term?
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Well well well my dear ZK I don't see that one happening for the next 200 million years!.

Even if Serbia was a NATO member there would be no chance for them to go to Kosova!.

I think ben said it right. Albania is perfect choice for NATO-s next move.

Reasons:
1. NATO members won't need to spend money more than they should(why not save).

2. Albanian peacekeepers would be more than welcomed to continue the mission, an advantage here is that Albanians from Albania have experience serving for already few years in Iraq.

3. Since Albania is permanent member of the NATO I'm sure the move would be approved by all members at the Headquarters.

I got one message for Kosovo's Albanian population.

If things keep going in the direction in which they have been going for the last year or so, the illegal unilateral independence of Kosovo will be revised within several years.

The truth about what happened will come out sooner rather than later.

@ Jan Andersen,

The US currently has 32,000 troops in Afghanistan and is in the process of training and equipping anywhere from another 20-30k for deployment - run your math again. A large portion of US forces operate under the global war on terrorism mandate and do not fall under ISAF. You report only the ISAF numbers.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,349748,00.html

Furthermore, most nations taking part in ISAF view the NATO mission as a mandate only to training missions and humanitarian relief. While left out in the ind -once again- the Brits, Aussies, Canucks, and US forces.

I have not had the pleasure of serving with Danish troops for any extended period of time, so I can not attest to their mettle. What I can say though is that German, Italian and several other NATO partners are regulated by antiquated rules of engagement, and lack the necessary military technology to conduct modern combat operations along side the Anglo-American forces.

Commanders of these forces, and similar national commanders, treat the Afghan campaign as a peacekeeping role and have thus surrendered large portions of the country to Talbian forces. Many do not conduct meaningful combat patrols, nor do they conduct night operations.

Now - this is not a slight at "tiny Denmark". The US currently has around 350,000 personnel in approx. 130 countries conducting combat, peacekeeping, humanitarian relief, and deterrence operations.

All I am asking is that when Article 5 of the NATO charter is evoked, that the rest of NATO joins us on our high horse.

Michael,

I share the same opinion as you do, but as a veteran of US KFOR I would have to disagree. The boys of the Irish contingent have done an outstanding job, and if anyone is concerned about the survival of the Serbian people in their own province, you would want the Irish there. As many of our NATO partner have sat on their hands these last 8 years and watched over the destruction of Churches, property, and the murder and kidnapping of civilians, the Irish have not.

They were instrumental in the containment of the March 2004 riots and are almost solely responsible for preventing ethnic cleansing in the central portion of the province from Lipjan, through Lapje Selo, through Gracanica.

Well done lads.

Thank You Czech professional KFOR.

Time has coming when NATO troops start to leave and Kosovo troops replace them.
Kosovo troops guaranty security to all in Kosovo including Serbs.

As for some that mention Serbian army, I think that the permition for such move should be taken form K-Government or in cooperation with otherwise it will be treated as illegal occupation of land and that has consequences.
To be more precise, Serbian army can only dream of Kosovo since Kosovo people do not recognise such army and nowonw can cjange their mind, and this is the crucial bit. K-Albanians are living great without Serbian troops and K-Serbs too, fact can tell.

If you even become members of NATO then mission number one will be to prove yourselves as loyal cannon fodder in Afghanistan so good luck my friends!

I really would like to see our Irish troops (around 112) being pulled out of Kosovo i Metohija as soon as possible. Ireland is not in NATO, but I see UNMIK troops work in tandem with NATO/KFOR.
Ireland is jeopardising its good reputation in peace-keeping by remaining in the illegally occupied Serbian province.

Micheal Breathnach
Ireland

As I have posted here before - I am a US KFOR veteran who served in the province from Sep 05- Jun 07. I did not and not not support the circumstances surrounding the military operation in Kosovo.

That being said, this development - regardless of the mission- is just further evidence that whenever there is a NATO or Int'l mission all the heavy lifting will continue to be done by my boys and girls in the US armed forces. Even such non-controversial missions like Afghanistan or Kosovo get the Europeans up in arms about contributing little more than a few hundred troops; most of their major cities have police forces numbering more than this.

Honorable and notable exception to these facts are typically the Brits, Aussies, and Canadians. And even the above mentioned nations have had political climates change, but that in itself is not reflection on their fighting men and women.

I hope Czech opposition will stand firm and that other occupation troops will follow the moove!

ZK I'm not holding a grudge against you or anyone. You're expressing your thoughts and so am I.
I'm just trying to explain the way I see it.
Do you think that nowdays Serbs would go to Croatia or Bosnia as peacekeepers?. Same goes for Kosova.

I don't think that the Western world would allow that to happen, not in the near future anyways.

Randy Shummer it's not 2500 like you pointed out but it's 3500.
It's an army to keep it's citizens safe, it's not an army with plans to attack anyone outside Kosova's borders.

On TV it said that it's 3500 members but keep in mind that it will turn out to be way more than that, I'm gonna let you see that for yourself. Why?.

The bottom line is that government in Prishtina will not have any other choice but to increase the number of KSF members based on Kosova's population.

As far as I read it from other news' pages, the Czech army is supposed to be removed from all foreign countries. So the question is why B92 uses a title which implies that this withdrawal is related only or primarily to Kosovo?

Good Move from our dear Czech friends.

Kosovo army is getting shaped, and it will be just appropriate (and at the right time) to locate our ARMY to our borders with neighbours Serbia, Macedonia and MNG.

This is when KSF(Kosova Security Forces) or Kosova Army if you will takes over.

Thank you Czech Republic for your contributions we really appreciate it.

Someone had to begin pulling troops out of Kosova.

This is really about Afghanistan. They should withdraw from NATO completely and they will find out how much Russia loves them. NATO has obligations and benefits.

If the Czechs leave Kosova i wish them all the best for the future,all we can do is thank them for everything they'v done for Kosova and its people.Big thanks to the Czechs we appreciate it.

Well well well my dear Albanians. There has been much talk of revising the Kumanovo agreement and we all know that a replacement for the Czechs has to be from competent forces, so that rules out the so-called Kosovo security forces.

If NATO cannot replace these people internally then it is fairly certain it will be done with Serbian security forces, who have co-operated well with NATO over the years.

Now lets see what happens here! You can be sure no Albanians will be stationed on the provincial border with Serbia unless NATO wants more conflict on its hands!

Thank You Czech professional KFOR.

Time has coming when NATO troops start to leave and Kosovo troops replace them.
Kosovo troops guaranty security to all in Kosovo including Serbs.

As for some that mention Serbian army, I think that the permition for such move should be taken form K-Government or in cooperation with otherwise it will be treated as illegal occupation of land and that has consequences.
To be more precise, Serbian army can only dream of Kosovo since Kosovo people do not recognise such army and nowonw can cjange their mind, and this is the crucial bit. K-Albanians are living great without Serbian troops and K-Serbs too, fact can tell.

Well well well my dear ZK I don't see that one happening for the next 200 million years!.

Even if Serbia was a NATO member there would be no chance for them to go to Kosova!.

I think ben said it right. Albania is perfect choice for NATO-s next move.

Reasons:
1. NATO members won't need to spend money more than they should(why not save).

2. Albanian peacekeepers would be more than welcomed to continue the mission, an advantage here is that Albanians from Albania have experience serving for already few years in Iraq.

3. Since Albania is permanent member of the NATO I'm sure the move would be approved by all members at the Headquarters.

As I have posted here before - I am a US KFOR veteran who served in the province from Sep 05- Jun 07. I did not and not not support the circumstances surrounding the military operation in Kosovo.

That being said, this development - regardless of the mission- is just further evidence that whenever there is a NATO or Int'l mission all the heavy lifting will continue to be done by my boys and girls in the US armed forces. Even such non-controversial missions like Afghanistan or Kosovo get the Europeans up in arms about contributing little more than a few hundred troops; most of their major cities have police forces numbering more than this.

Honorable and notable exception to these facts are typically the Brits, Aussies, and Canadians. And even the above mentioned nations have had political climates change, but that in itself is not reflection on their fighting men and women.

The Czech have not received any threats from Russia. All the threats are, as usual, coming from NATO. They should listen more to Václav Klaus and less to that NATO lapdog Karel Schwarzenberg.

I guess only Brits and Americans can remain peheps Germans and Italians. The remaining part of the NATO troops will be compensated by new NATO member Albania.

You cannotcomplain with Czech's they say why should we spedn money for somthing that Albania is perfectly abel to do.

On 23 December 2008 14:42, Anthony wrote:

"That being said, this development - regardless of the mission- is just further evidence that whenever there is a NATO or Int'l mission all the heavy lifting will continue to be done by my boys and girls in the US armed forces."

Hmmm. You might want to check up on some numbers Anthony.

Assuming this chart http://www.nato.int/ISAF/docu/epub/pdf/isaf_placemat.pdf is somewhat accurate, the US has some 17790 soldiers in Afghanistan. And little Denmark has 750 soldiers.

Now, big US has a population of 300 million. Little Denmark has 5.5 million. So the US has a population that is 54 times larger than Denmark. 54 x 750 = 40,500. So even if the US doubled its forces in Afghanistan, you would still, relatively, be way behind Denmark.

Think about that while you climb down from your high horse.
--

I got one message for Kosovo's Albanian population.

If things keep going in the direction in which they have been going for the last year or so, the illegal unilateral independence of Kosovo will be revised within several years.

The truth about what happened will come out sooner rather than later.

On 23 December 2008 12:00, PRN wrote:

"Kosovo army is getting shaped, and it will be just appropriate (and at the right time) to locate our ARMY to our borders with neighbours Serbia, Macedonia and MNG."

Why? Will a move like this stabilize the situation in your country and the neighbouring countries?

Or is it a case of immediate national Kosovo pride taking precedence over what is best for the whole region on the long term?
--

ZK I'm not holding a grudge against you or anyone. You're expressing your thoughts and so am I.
I'm just trying to explain the way I see it.
Do you think that nowdays Serbs would go to Croatia or Bosnia as peacekeepers?. Same goes for Kosova.

I don't think that the Western world would allow that to happen, not in the near future anyways.

Randy Shummer it's not 2500 like you pointed out but it's 3500.
It's an army to keep it's citizens safe, it's not an army with plans to attack anyone outside Kosova's borders.

On TV it said that it's 3500 members but keep in mind that it will turn out to be way more than that, I'm gonna let you see that for yourself. Why?.

The bottom line is that government in Prishtina will not have any other choice but to increase the number of KSF members based on Kosova's population.

Kosovo Army is punchline looking for a joke. The so-called army will 2500 members limited to light wepans and side arms. No tank , no airforce, nothing. They cannot function without Kosovo Serb members. K-army will be under control of Nato and will not be allowed to be near Serb areas.

I really would like to see our Irish troops (around 112) being pulled out of Kosovo i Metohija as soon as possible. Ireland is not in NATO, but I see UNMIK troops work in tandem with NATO/KFOR.
Ireland is jeopardising its good reputation in peace-keeping by remaining in the illegally occupied Serbian province.

Micheal Breathnach
Ireland

If you even become members of NATO then mission number one will be to prove yourselves as loyal cannon fodder in Afghanistan so good luck my friends!

I hope Czech opposition will stand firm and that other occupation troops will follow the moove!

As far as I read it from other news' pages, the Czech army is supposed to be removed from all foreign countries. So the question is why B92 uses a title which implies that this withdrawal is related only or primarily to Kosovo?

@ Jan Andersen,

The US currently has 32,000 troops in Afghanistan and is in the process of training and equipping anywhere from another 20-30k for deployment - run your math again. A large portion of US forces operate under the global war on terrorism mandate and do not fall under ISAF. You report only the ISAF numbers.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,349748,00.html

Furthermore, most nations taking part in ISAF view the NATO mission as a mandate only to training missions and humanitarian relief. While left out in the ind -once again- the Brits, Aussies, Canucks, and US forces.

I have not had the pleasure of serving with Danish troops for any extended period of time, so I can not attest to their mettle. What I can say though is that German, Italian and several other NATO partners are regulated by antiquated rules of engagement, and lack the necessary military technology to conduct modern combat operations along side the Anglo-American forces.

Commanders of these forces, and similar national commanders, treat the Afghan campaign as a peacekeeping role and have thus surrendered large portions of the country to Talbian forces. Many do not conduct meaningful combat patrols, nor do they conduct night operations.

Now - this is not a slight at "tiny Denmark". The US currently has around 350,000 personnel in approx. 130 countries conducting combat, peacekeeping, humanitarian relief, and deterrence operations.

All I am asking is that when Article 5 of the NATO charter is evoked, that the rest of NATO joins us on our high horse.

Michael,

I share the same opinion as you do, but as a veteran of US KFOR I would have to disagree. The boys of the Irish contingent have done an outstanding job, and if anyone is concerned about the survival of the Serbian people in their own province, you would want the Irish there. As many of our NATO partner have sat on their hands these last 8 years and watched over the destruction of Churches, property, and the murder and kidnapping of civilians, the Irish have not.

They were instrumental in the containment of the March 2004 riots and are almost solely responsible for preventing ethnic cleansing in the central portion of the province from Lipjan, through Lapje Selo, through Gracanica.

Well done lads.