Churkin: Russia shaped Kosovo issue

Russia made just some difficulties to distrakt EU and Nato by just behaving like that. It did not help Serbia, in contrary they damaged Serbias chances to integrate with EU and Nato.
Anyway Serbia is paying the bill for Russias policy.
Russia dont and cant care. They russians did not lift a finger in 1999 when Nato bombed Belgrade!
Russia is just missusing Serbia for its own interests!
Kosova is independent no mather what Russia does!
Occupying Abhasia and Northern Ossettia showed the real ruusian intentions and strait after 2 weeks recognizing them. Funny indeed! But so far has just 2 states recognized them!
Only 2 states after 2 months!

To quote some one from the Nixon center (not very pro-Russian think tank, to say the least) :

"On the Kosovo issue Russia is right!"

And it is! I am not pro-Russian either. But we can't Kosovo let destroy international law.

regardless of their objective, russia has helped preserve serbia's territorial integrity, no doubt about it.

While I believe that Russia is by no means an angel, without them, the EU/USA would definately abuse Serbia, just like it did in the 90's.

UNE,

And what does Kosovo have? 'Friends' that intervene in Kosovo, but let thousands and thousands of Kurds die?

Is Kosovo any different then Kurdistan?

Kosovo is US pet now. But then can change very soon. Where are you without your 'friends'?

Thank you Russia for not allowing terrorism and illegal NATO action to succeed!

Oh but America cares a lot about kosovo albanians. America doesn't even care about it's own people but they care about Kosovo that has almost nothing to offer. The only thing they do have to offer is a piece of territory where americans can have their military base. Sure, they really love you albanians.

ben,

Its not 95% its more like 20%! So your so called 95% is very very limited in what it has too say.

Serbia has the majority.

Don't even mention SERBenica! . Serbs have been cleansed as well in their history. Don't choose what you want to remeber.

What did Churkin said about Georgia???
Your double standart do not full anyone Churkin..
The truth is you never cared about the people in Balkans and the thousand of inocent civilian that die during the wars. It is only one good thing about these times of economic crisis, the price of petrol. :)
We shall see whatt Russia can ofer to the world in a near future.

Some people here forgot who save the world from Germany and Nazis in World wars I and II.
Maybe because they were been on the losing side and hate Russia from that time - saving the whole world - paying with tens of millions deads.
Of course - Russia has own interest as everybody else. American has theirs - but can't build military base on Serbian teritory - that's steal. And avoiding to pay lease or rent on property - try to make more demage by brutal 78 days of targeting civilians and using deplated uranium - even killed so many Albanians in that humanitarian process.

Russia actually steped up again on World political scene after entering Pristina airport - then saved Nato with stricking the deal to end the war. But they signed only because they helped Nato to save the face (almost broken at time of only killing inocent civilians and not getting major demage done to Serbian military) and secure Kosovo stays as part of Serbia by resolution 1244.

Anyway, Serbia can't control whole Kosovo - it's proven.But, some people here don't understand that they don't deserve whole Kosovo in anyway and can't get it without Serbian and Russian approval. So, the best they can get - frozen conflict in limbo - with no anything good in sight for long time. Serbia can wait and get more demage done to Kosovo that it can do to themselves. Both sides are currently stubborn losers.

Vitaly Churkin is one of the two Ambassadors of Serbia in the UN and he justifies his name cause he is the most vital one for the time being. Moreover on the photo he even looks like late Slobo ...

If the greater part of the mankind will be able to force the US to switch green lights for the negotiating process over K&M region it will be an equal success for the blackmailed Serbs and the entramped Albanians. Both sides are just captives of the failed policy and it cannot last endlessly. The only way out is to start to talk each other.

The sooner the Albanians will stop crying for the Moon and realize the drastic changes happening in the world the better for all sides involved. No speculations about NIS deal or the late USSR comparisons will make you closer to peace and prosperity. Serbia and Russia cannot afford giving you another hope or another way out. So be sure there will be a happy end in NIS , South Stream and all other projects.

Besides Serbia is the shortest way for you to make friends with Russia and we are the shortest way to engage you to the Islamic World whose support you are totally deprived of. Strange as it is but only kufr states are supporting you while almost all the Muslims support Serbia. So in any case your route to the Islamic World lies through Belgrad.

In the good old Soviet style, Churkin said:

I don't care about no one I but my interests- Serbs.

I have VETO power and I use it as I wish.

I care about the 5% and don't give a damn about the other 95%.

Soviet's at their best.

Totalitarian regimes are designated to failure: your strength in Petrol $ is going at about 34$ per barrel and apparently Obama wants better relations with Arab world that will the dependence on your energy.

Arrogance is always disgusting - and you have never been of great sympathy, ever.

For those with halzeimer: the abuses were commited in Srebrenica and other places not to Serbia

Russia, I love you more than you'll ever know!!!

great reminder of who keeps serbia afloat and when jeremic shouts who gives him the voice. otherwise his mouth would move like a fish's.

russia, i love you like serbia. god forgive me, but i do :)

But first yopu must sell NIS to our state.. LOL Serbia is getting screwed by their allies

Albano,

I am not a Serb.

What I mean was: why don't we invade Turkey and Iraq and Iran to create a Kurdish state?

You act like you won the war in 1999, but we, the West, did this for you.

And the goal was NOT to create a second Albanian state!

"Russia first categorically condemned that provocation, and then insisted on a UN investigation into the clashes...",

Oh yes, the Russian stand, "provocation".

Sending women and chldren against the UN officers to occupy the court building. Following the retake of the house, to carry and distribute hand grenades by ambulance cars, injure and kill passively defending officers, and then block the ambulance of the Ukranian officer until he bled to death.

Shame on you cowardly mob who were there on 17 March...

Oh look, good ol Churkin is babbling again and trying, unsuccessfully, to make it seem as if Russia is influential again.

You wanna help Serbia? Simply send Russian troops into Kosovo and take it back. What's that? You can't do it?If you can't, adjust your satellites and direct your predictable "victorious" rhetoric elsewhere, to people who actually give a damn.

-Greetings from Albania! And Happy Holidays!

"...Kosovo is US pet now. But then can change very soon. Where are you without your 'friends'?
(Ron, 21 December 2008 20:14) "

Where are we, you mean albanians? There where we always have been, 5 Mil in Albania, over 2.5 Mil in Kosovo, 1 Mil in Macedonia...should I count more for you ? And by the way ,thanks to you serbs , everything has changed.

Thank you Mr. Churkin we will not forget your support. And thanks to Mr. Putin for placing that "ahtisari package plan" where it belongs - in the trash!

Right on brother bear! Thank you very much.

As Mr. Churkin so cautiously concluded:

"With this, we succeeded in securing a possibility for Serbs to continue to defend their country's territorial integrity," Churkin concluded.

However, Mr. Churkin knows very well that there is a huge difference in the words "possibility" and "Probability".

And, the "probability" of securing for Serbs to continue to defend their country's territorial integrity is nearly Nil!

"shaped Kosovo issue" hahaha what a puppet seems like he want a credit from serbian ,but one thing KOSOVA IS A INDEPENDENT COUNTRY and no shoe of others can step and proclaim that is mine,so russia you can bluff as much as you can ,but albanians still and always they will stand to anyone who try to approach them

It all goes back to this. How long will Russia have the cash to spend on its satellites. I think not too long. They are loosing money with the petrol prices now. Even if they go above 70 they will still lose money. Than what will happen is America and all the developed EU countries will move away from gasoline like they are doing now with alternative sources of fuel. Russia's population is shrinking and they have to bring in new blood from neighboring countries. No economy other than oil and gas. Their product already reached peak in 2005 and now declining. In 10 years they will not have enough of anything without foreign investments.Putin will die maybe in 20 years and than No more Russia as we know it now.

Russia will pay whatever lip service it has to secure it's only satellite into europe.

Russia cares nothing for the balkans or serbia other than the gas station to europe it has become. And would love nothing more than for continued strife..even if only political..to secure the lackey it has in serbia.

'whatever they want' seems to be russia's mantra, and yes, it is quite apparent that the past few decades has been a gold age for serbs thanks to unconditional support russia provides.

"That, in turn, provided and continues to provide additional possibilities for Belgrade to continue to defend the country's territorial integrity."

So this mean Kosovo is still Serbian.

This was actually written by kukuth not me. I was only repeating his statement in order to mock him.
My reply to him was cut off.

Pretty early to have any final laughs don't you think Mr. Churkin?

Let's just wait and see what the "new" Obama...or shall we say Clinton administration has to bring to the table.

I'm sure Jeremic will love his chats with Hillary. LOL!

"would you guys leave US out of your comments? US is only following it's traditional pragmatic and demoncratic policies"

Did you mean like in Serbia and Iraq ?

"Where are we, you mean albanians? There where we always have been, 5 Mil in Albania, over 2.5 Mil in Kosovo, 1 Mil in Macedonia...should I count more for you ? And by the way ,thanks to you serbs , everything has changed.
(albano, 22 December 2008 01:35)"

Albano, if you had answered the question seriously, it would have been disastrous for you, since you are quite nothing without foreign help - I hate to say it, because I really do not have anything against Albanians in general.

but your answer is simply an outcry of weakness.

Vitaly Churkin is one of the two Ambassadors of Serbia in the UN and he justifies his name cause he is the most vital one for the time being. Moreover on the photo he even looks like late Slobo ...

ORTHODOX, I never noticed before, but now that you've mentioned it I agree. Churkin is a good looking man.

Oh look, good ol Churkin is babbling again and trying, unsuccessfully, to make it seem as if Russia is influential again.

You wanna help Serbia? Simply send Russian troops into Kosovo and take it back. What's that? You can't do it?If you can't, adjust your satellites and direct your predictable "victorious" rhetoric elsewhere, to people who actually give a damn.

Would you guys leave US out of your comments? US is only following its traditional pragmatic and and democratic policies. We should all be happy that there is such a country left.

As for Churkin's statements, one thing is clear: Russia is playing an obstructionist role, and if it was not for them, we would not be talking about Kosovo today. But at the same time we can say that this type of a policy will not effect Kosovo's future long term. In other words he is telling us that if it wasn't for Russia, there will be no Resolution 1244 and an approved Ahtisaari plan. Serbia you have a problem!

Thank you for protecting and nursing our wounded and mercilessly abused baby bear. And thank you for demonstrating to the bullies in the west " The Mama Bear Dance" in how the Bearkrieg wippes it's behind with the western blitzkrieg.

I hate to write twice on same topic but I can’t resist this one;)

the title should say:

Churkin: Russia is creating the inexistent problem Kosova.

How can there be a problem when 95 out of 100 speak with one voice??? Where is the problem??

Do you Mr Churkin apply these standards in your “democracy”- that 5 can block 95??? ;)

Will your “democracy” Mr Churkin fight in UN SC with the same passion for the Chechnya???

Why Georgia or Lithuania or Ukraine can be independent but not Chechnya?? They were all Republics in the former Soviet Union. It must be because of the “international law” ;)) how ignorant I am... ;)

And do you support the Georgian territorial integrity Mr Churkin?? ;))

Why this gentleman has not a god taste to stay silent?

you mean thank you russia for creating another frozen conflict, no more no less and lengthening the process of allowing the people to move forward and n improve there quality of life... yes kosovo maybe a haven a backlog and requires assitance, of which neither serbia or russia have the capacity or plan to fulfill in the interest of the people, eulex is there and the un to help kosovo function into the 22century and inevitably hopefully with not to much pain for the citizens kosovo will b fully independant with in europe

ben,

"Why Georgia or Lithuania or Ukraine can be independent but not Chechnya?? They were all Republics in the former Soviet Union."

Nope, Chechnya was and is a province of Russia. It was not a Soviet republic. Indeed, like Kosovo was not a YU republic.

But, OK, if we follow your rule of thinking:

If Kosovo, why not Northern Kosovo?

And indeed: Western Macedonia. But then also RS in Bosnia? And Croats in Bosnia?

Since by the end of the week, Russia will own Serbia lock, stock, and barrel, I wonder what Russian interest in Kosovo will be. I hope everyone notices that when the publicity of talks over the Petrol deal are hot then Russia releases more statements where Serbia owes Russia for their intervention in Kosovo.
Since it will no longer matter in the New Year it will be interesting what the rhetoric will be.
There might even be some type of deal offered for the missle bases in Poland.
The about face in Kosovo might actually be a low cost way of showing that Russia wants to cooperate with the new administration!!

To quote some one from the Nixon center (not very pro-Russian think tank, to say the least) :

"On the Kosovo issue Russia is right!"

And it is! I am not pro-Russian either. But we can't Kosovo let destroy international law.

In the good old Soviet style, Churkin said:

I don't care about no one I but my interests- Serbs.

I have VETO power and I use it as I wish.

I care about the 5% and don't give a damn about the other 95%.

Soviet's at their best.

Totalitarian regimes are designated to failure: your strength in Petrol $ is going at about 34$ per barrel and apparently Obama wants better relations with Arab world that will the dependence on your energy.

Arrogance is always disgusting - and you have never been of great sympathy, ever.

For those with halzeimer: the abuses were commited in Srebrenica and other places not to Serbia

But first yopu must sell NIS to our state.. LOL Serbia is getting screwed by their allies

Oh look, good ol Churkin is babbling again and trying, unsuccessfully, to make it seem as if Russia is influential again.

You wanna help Serbia? Simply send Russian troops into Kosovo and take it back. What's that? You can't do it?If you can't, adjust your satellites and direct your predictable "victorious" rhetoric elsewhere, to people who actually give a damn.

-Greetings from Albania! And Happy Holidays!

What did Churkin said about Georgia???
Your double standart do not full anyone Churkin..
The truth is you never cared about the people in Balkans and the thousand of inocent civilian that die during the wars. It is only one good thing about these times of economic crisis, the price of petrol. :)
We shall see whatt Russia can ofer to the world in a near future.

regardless of their objective, russia has helped preserve serbia's territorial integrity, no doubt about it.

While I believe that Russia is by no means an angel, without them, the EU/USA would definately abuse Serbia, just like it did in the 90's.

As Mr. Churkin so cautiously concluded:

"With this, we succeeded in securing a possibility for Serbs to continue to defend their country's territorial integrity," Churkin concluded.

However, Mr. Churkin knows very well that there is a huge difference in the words "possibility" and "Probability".

And, the "probability" of securing for Serbs to continue to defend their country's territorial integrity is nearly Nil!

"shaped Kosovo issue" hahaha what a puppet seems like he want a credit from serbian ,but one thing KOSOVA IS A INDEPENDENT COUNTRY and no shoe of others can step and proclaim that is mine,so russia you can bluff as much as you can ,but albanians still and always they will stand to anyone who try to approach them

UNE,

And what does Kosovo have? 'Friends' that intervene in Kosovo, but let thousands and thousands of Kurds die?

Is Kosovo any different then Kurdistan?

Kosovo is US pet now. But then can change very soon. Where are you without your 'friends'?

Albano,

I am not a Serb.

What I mean was: why don't we invade Turkey and Iraq and Iran to create a Kurdish state?

You act like you won the war in 1999, but we, the West, did this for you.

And the goal was NOT to create a second Albanian state!

Thank you Russia for not allowing terrorism and illegal NATO action to succeed!

Russia will pay whatever lip service it has to secure it's only satellite into europe.

Russia cares nothing for the balkans or serbia other than the gas station to europe it has become. And would love nothing more than for continued strife..even if only political..to secure the lackey it has in serbia.

'whatever they want' seems to be russia's mantra, and yes, it is quite apparent that the past few decades has been a gold age for serbs thanks to unconditional support russia provides.

It all goes back to this. How long will Russia have the cash to spend on its satellites. I think not too long. They are loosing money with the petrol prices now. Even if they go above 70 they will still lose money. Than what will happen is America and all the developed EU countries will move away from gasoline like they are doing now with alternative sources of fuel. Russia's population is shrinking and they have to bring in new blood from neighboring countries. No economy other than oil and gas. Their product already reached peak in 2005 and now declining. In 10 years they will not have enough of anything without foreign investments.Putin will die maybe in 20 years and than No more Russia as we know it now.

"...Kosovo is US pet now. But then can change very soon. Where are you without your 'friends'?
(Ron, 21 December 2008 20:14) "

Where are we, you mean albanians? There where we always have been, 5 Mil in Albania, over 2.5 Mil in Kosovo, 1 Mil in Macedonia...should I count more for you ? And by the way ,thanks to you serbs , everything has changed.

ben,

Its not 95% its more like 20%! So your so called 95% is very very limited in what it has too say.

Serbia has the majority.

Don't even mention SERBenica! . Serbs have been cleansed as well in their history. Don't choose what you want to remeber.

Oh but America cares a lot about kosovo albanians. America doesn't even care about it's own people but they care about Kosovo that has almost nothing to offer. The only thing they do have to offer is a piece of territory where americans can have their military base. Sure, they really love you albanians.

Russia made just some difficulties to distrakt EU and Nato by just behaving like that. It did not help Serbia, in contrary they damaged Serbias chances to integrate with EU and Nato.
Anyway Serbia is paying the bill for Russias policy.
Russia dont and cant care. They russians did not lift a finger in 1999 when Nato bombed Belgrade!
Russia is just missusing Serbia for its own interests!
Kosova is independent no mather what Russia does!
Occupying Abhasia and Northern Ossettia showed the real ruusian intentions and strait after 2 weeks recognizing them. Funny indeed! But so far has just 2 states recognized them!
Only 2 states after 2 months!

Vitaly Churkin is one of the two Ambassadors of Serbia in the UN and he justifies his name cause he is the most vital one for the time being. Moreover on the photo he even looks like late Slobo ...

ORTHODOX, I never noticed before, but now that you've mentioned it I agree. Churkin is a good looking man.

Oh look, good ol Churkin is babbling again and trying, unsuccessfully, to make it seem as if Russia is influential again.

You wanna help Serbia? Simply send Russian troops into Kosovo and take it back. What's that? You can't do it?If you can't, adjust your satellites and direct your predictable "victorious" rhetoric elsewhere, to people who actually give a damn.

I hate to write twice on same topic but I can’t resist this one;)

the title should say:

Churkin: Russia is creating the inexistent problem Kosova.

How can there be a problem when 95 out of 100 speak with one voice??? Where is the problem??

Do you Mr Churkin apply these standards in your “democracy”- that 5 can block 95??? ;)

Will your “democracy” Mr Churkin fight in UN SC with the same passion for the Chechnya???

Why Georgia or Lithuania or Ukraine can be independent but not Chechnya?? They were all Republics in the former Soviet Union. It must be because of the “international law” ;)) how ignorant I am... ;)

And do you support the Georgian territorial integrity Mr Churkin?? ;))

Why this gentleman has not a god taste to stay silent?

"Russia first categorically condemned that provocation, and then insisted on a UN investigation into the clashes...",

Oh yes, the Russian stand, "provocation".

Sending women and chldren against the UN officers to occupy the court building. Following the retake of the house, to carry and distribute hand grenades by ambulance cars, injure and kill passively defending officers, and then block the ambulance of the Ukranian officer until he bled to death.

Shame on you cowardly mob who were there on 17 March...

Some people here forgot who save the world from Germany and Nazis in World wars I and II.
Maybe because they were been on the losing side and hate Russia from that time - saving the whole world - paying with tens of millions deads.
Of course - Russia has own interest as everybody else. American has theirs - but can't build military base on Serbian teritory - that's steal. And avoiding to pay lease or rent on property - try to make more demage by brutal 78 days of targeting civilians and using deplated uranium - even killed so many Albanians in that humanitarian process.

Russia actually steped up again on World political scene after entering Pristina airport - then saved Nato with stricking the deal to end the war. But they signed only because they helped Nato to save the face (almost broken at time of only killing inocent civilians and not getting major demage done to Serbian military) and secure Kosovo stays as part of Serbia by resolution 1244.

Anyway, Serbia can't control whole Kosovo - it's proven.But, some people here don't understand that they don't deserve whole Kosovo in anyway and can't get it without Serbian and Russian approval. So, the best they can get - frozen conflict in limbo - with no anything good in sight for long time. Serbia can wait and get more demage done to Kosovo that it can do to themselves. Both sides are currently stubborn losers.

Vitaly Churkin is one of the two Ambassadors of Serbia in the UN and he justifies his name cause he is the most vital one for the time being. Moreover on the photo he even looks like late Slobo ...

If the greater part of the mankind will be able to force the US to switch green lights for the negotiating process over K&M region it will be an equal success for the blackmailed Serbs and the entramped Albanians. Both sides are just captives of the failed policy and it cannot last endlessly. The only way out is to start to talk each other.

The sooner the Albanians will stop crying for the Moon and realize the drastic changes happening in the world the better for all sides involved. No speculations about NIS deal or the late USSR comparisons will make you closer to peace and prosperity. Serbia and Russia cannot afford giving you another hope or another way out. So be sure there will be a happy end in NIS , South Stream and all other projects.

Besides Serbia is the shortest way for you to make friends with Russia and we are the shortest way to engage you to the Islamic World whose support you are totally deprived of. Strange as it is but only kufr states are supporting you while almost all the Muslims support Serbia. So in any case your route to the Islamic World lies through Belgrad.

Would you guys leave US out of your comments? US is only following its traditional pragmatic and and democratic policies. We should all be happy that there is such a country left.

As for Churkin's statements, one thing is clear: Russia is playing an obstructionist role, and if it was not for them, we would not be talking about Kosovo today. But at the same time we can say that this type of a policy will not effect Kosovo's future long term. In other words he is telling us that if it wasn't for Russia, there will be no Resolution 1244 and an approved Ahtisaari plan. Serbia you have a problem!

Pretty early to have any final laughs don't you think Mr. Churkin?

Let's just wait and see what the "new" Obama...or shall we say Clinton administration has to bring to the table.

I'm sure Jeremic will love his chats with Hillary. LOL!

you mean thank you russia for creating another frozen conflict, no more no less and lengthening the process of allowing the people to move forward and n improve there quality of life... yes kosovo maybe a haven a backlog and requires assitance, of which neither serbia or russia have the capacity or plan to fulfill in the interest of the people, eulex is there and the un to help kosovo function into the 22century and inevitably hopefully with not to much pain for the citizens kosovo will b fully independant with in europe

great reminder of who keeps serbia afloat and when jeremic shouts who gives him the voice. otherwise his mouth would move like a fish's.

russia, i love you like serbia. god forgive me, but i do :)

"That, in turn, provided and continues to provide additional possibilities for Belgrade to continue to defend the country's territorial integrity."

So this mean Kosovo is still Serbian.

Thank you Mr. Churkin we will not forget your support. And thanks to Mr. Putin for placing that "ahtisari package plan" where it belongs - in the trash!

Right on brother bear! Thank you very much.

Thank you for protecting and nursing our wounded and mercilessly abused baby bear. And thank you for demonstrating to the bullies in the west " The Mama Bear Dance" in how the Bearkrieg wippes it's behind with the western blitzkrieg.

Russia, I love you more than you'll ever know!!!

This was actually written by kukuth not me. I was only repeating his statement in order to mock him.
My reply to him was cut off.

"would you guys leave US out of your comments? US is only following it's traditional pragmatic and demoncratic policies"

Did you mean like in Serbia and Iraq ?

"Where are we, you mean albanians? There where we always have been, 5 Mil in Albania, over 2.5 Mil in Kosovo, 1 Mil in Macedonia...should I count more for you ? And by the way ,thanks to you serbs , everything has changed.
(albano, 22 December 2008 01:35)"

Albano, if you had answered the question seriously, it would have been disastrous for you, since you are quite nothing without foreign help - I hate to say it, because I really do not have anything against Albanians in general.

but your answer is simply an outcry of weakness.

ben,

"Why Georgia or Lithuania or Ukraine can be independent but not Chechnya?? They were all Republics in the former Soviet Union."

Nope, Chechnya was and is a province of Russia. It was not a Soviet republic. Indeed, like Kosovo was not a YU republic.

But, OK, if we follow your rule of thinking:

If Kosovo, why not Northern Kosovo?

And indeed: Western Macedonia. But then also RS in Bosnia? And Croats in Bosnia?

Since by the end of the week, Russia will own Serbia lock, stock, and barrel, I wonder what Russian interest in Kosovo will be. I hope everyone notices that when the publicity of talks over the Petrol deal are hot then Russia releases more statements where Serbia owes Russia for their intervention in Kosovo.
Since it will no longer matter in the New Year it will be interesting what the rhetoric will be.
There might even be some type of deal offered for the missle bases in Poland.
The about face in Kosovo might actually be a low cost way of showing that Russia wants to cooperate with the new administration!!