Holland: Croatia unready for EU

They have not bled Croatia enough their is no such thing as something for nothing. The EU Solona and mafia company already cowerst Croatia to give up its internationally recognized rights to protect its fish stocks in its waters. The EU namely Rome and Ljubljana take in one year what takes the Croatians 10 years to do in fish free for all. Now Slovenia is demanding the border between them be changed to Slovenia's liking and advantage even they have now legal legs to stand on. Also demanding that the Ljubljbanska bank don't have to pay back private depositors money back in the 100s of millions mostly to the Croatians but also other former Yugo republics citizens and many more ripoffs by the EU and its hypocrite mafia members. Serbia will not be exempt as you know and are going threw their illegal nonsenses now. Democratizes they are more like the worlds worst Hypocrisies.

Lol. The Eu doesn't even use it's own criteria for who joins and when.

Croatia in terms of development, economy and civil society is ahead of Romania and Bulgaria and even some Central European states who are members. Being a member of the EU is all based on sycophancy to western liberal democrats and Romania and Bulgaria are sycophants to them. Croats and others in the Balkans are not.

Of course Croatia is not ready! Nor will they be any time soon.

If Croatia it's not ready to enter EU then think about the rest of the balkans.
At least my country doesn't have the Hague problem.

@ Mircea.
Is not that i care if Croatia joins the EU or not, but believe me the living standards there are higher than any country in the balkans including Romania and Bulgaria (excluding Greece)

ha ha ha!!!

It seems that Croatia will not be joining the EU in 2011.

The EU is a bureaucratic, monstrosity that seems to exist only to destroy the sovereignty and culture of its member nations.

As such, it's a very, very good thing that a nation has been "judged" by the EU as not having bowed and scraped enough to join its ranks of corruption.

The Eastern European nations - the Slavic nations in particular - should form their own political block to counteract the exploitation and oppression of our lands from Western Europeans!

If Croatia is not ready, then how in the world did Bulgaria and Romania get in? Ok, yes there's the "we need to get them into the EU before they become economic satillites of Russia" thing, but please; Bulgaria and Romania are seeped in corruption far more than Croatia.

I also heard rumors (and I need to emphasize "rumors") that part of Croatia's obstacle is their alleged resistance to resettling Serbs from Operation Storm - but let's be frank: that was 13 years ago and many Krajina Serbs have established new lives in Serbia and I doubt many would want to go back.

Regardless of whatever reasons are in Croatia's way, it certainly contributes to those who believe EU entry is little more than hoop-jumping and dog-begging by those who are willing to prostrate themselves at the throne of Brussels.

Just because my country (Romania) was mentioned in this debate, I feel like some things must be said…

First of all, I agree that Croatia is economically more developed than Romania and Bulgaria. I’ve been in Croatia for couple weeks back in 2001 (Split, Zagreb) and the country appeared to me as being very Western-looking. However, I believe that the simple comparison between my country and Croatia is not fair – not for Romanians and, to be honest, not even for Croatians. Why? Because any comparison should not resume only to economy, or how big a country is, or the religion of its inhabitants etc. There are some other important things people should consider when they compare themselves with others, things which are important because they tend to be remembered and used to describe further a nation, a country.

Therefore, it may be that Romania is poorer than Croatia, but the ethnic minorities are much better treated in my country (the 6% Hungarian ethnic political party participates in each Romanian government since 1996, and probably will continue to do it further). And each of the sixteen minority groups in Romania has a reserved seat in the Parliament, Albanians and Croatians included! (yes, we used to be a sort of asylum country back then, when Ottomans were all over the Balkans and crossing the Danube into Romanian Principalities used to be a good idea, Albanians surely know what I mean… if not, pls read the biographies of your ‘founding fathers’ and look for Bucharest, Craiova or Constantza).

Also, in Romania we do not have war criminals hiding behind the patriotic zeal of the common people intoxicated by propaganda, defying domestic and international justice only because they think they fought a “good war” and some "collateral damage” (killing and raping etc.) should be ignored. Btw, I just finished a book written by Slavenka Drakulic, a Croatian, translated into Romanian, “They would never hurt a fly” (about war criminals from Ex-Yugoslav countries, no nationality spared! ), and reading it almost made me sick.

And yes, we have corruption in Romania; but by this standard, several of the “senior EU members” should be kicked out in minute (e.g. Italy)!

As for being sycophants, yes, it is true that we, Romanians, are acting like sycophants for “western liberal democrats”, as
Yaroslav says.
And we are proud of that.
We started even before 1999, when Romania and Bulgaria sided with NATO in opposing Milosevic regime over Kosovo. We pledged to act as allies, and we delivered the promised support. Well, we didn't expect Kosovo Albanians to remember this, anyway we didn’t do it for them, we did it to keep our word. The same we are doing today, when we do not recognize Kosovo’s self-proclaimed independence.
As for Croatia… it was a sycophant of Germany and Austria from its very (recent) beginning, but it got overconfident. And when Croats were told to hand over Gotovina&Co. to Hague, they refused and when they finally complied, it was too late and the masters in Berlin+Vienna were already angry. Result: no EU! And the chance was lost!

Personally, I find very funny that same countries bombing Serbia nine years ago are, today, very scrupulous with their former pet-country, Croatia, when is about joining EU. Moreover, Western powers seem to do this just to give Belgrade the impression of ‘fair treatment’ (in comparison with Croatia) and as compensation for losing Kosovo…

However, everybody sleeps as they make their bed, is the saying. We did not create any of your troubles, dear neighbors from ex-Yugoslavia, therefore is pointless to continue to look down on us. You (all of you) need all your friends you can get.

Best from Bucharest,
George

PS: For MIKE:
if you are really American or Briton (sorry, I don’t remember exactly), then you should be less judgmental on issues pertaining to this part of Europe. Not that I do not find most of your observations to be correct, but sometimes you cross the line: me and others, we are born and we live here, and you are just a foreigner, therefore but somehow limited in perceptions and insight. We Romanians, we know better our deal with Bruxelles, no need for you to speak for us. No offense, OK?

"The Eastern European nations - the Slavic nations in particular - should form their own political block to counteract the exploitation and oppression of our lands from Western Europeans!"

Dear ak,

by stating this you clearly miss the point. The question is not exploitation or oppression, because every nation in Eastern-Europe can chose freely to enter the EU.
Only, if you want to enter the club, you have to play according the rules of them. That means: "Fight corruption". I was long enough in the Eastern-Europe countries to see that in your daily lives corruption and bribing is as normal as buying a loaf of bread in a bakery. If this is the so called 'Slavic culture', it is okay with me, but don't try to become a member of the EU. Bulgaria got shown what might happen, if you don't fight this, for Western-Europeans, bad habit.
And even after the economical crisis in the 'West', it is still the place where the main part of the 'Eastern' countries is depending on.
It is for me shocking that the demand for ruling, law, order, safety etc. is depicted in a model: 'slave and master'. It is the propaganda trick of a part of your politicians, with which they try to prevent to be stripped from their possibility to get rich on the back of their own citizens by for instance, giving their friends the nice jobs as directors of state-owned companies. If you want to live on with this system, okay, but don't try to enter the EU; the 'West' did and still do a severe fight against it, and by allowing more nations with bad habits in their circle, the anti-corruption fight will be much harder.

If Croatia it's not ready to enter EU then think about the rest of the balkans.
At least my country doesn't have the Hague problem.

@ Mircea.
Is not that i care if Croatia joins the EU or not, but believe me the living standards there are higher than any country in the balkans including Romania and Bulgaria (excluding Greece)

ha ha ha!!!

It seems that Croatia will not be joining the EU in 2011.

Of course Croatia is not ready! Nor will they be any time soon.

The EU is a bureaucratic, monstrosity that seems to exist only to destroy the sovereignty and culture of its member nations.

As such, it's a very, very good thing that a nation has been "judged" by the EU as not having bowed and scraped enough to join its ranks of corruption.

The Eastern European nations - the Slavic nations in particular - should form their own political block to counteract the exploitation and oppression of our lands from Western Europeans!

They have not bled Croatia enough their is no such thing as something for nothing. The EU Solona and mafia company already cowerst Croatia to give up its internationally recognized rights to protect its fish stocks in its waters. The EU namely Rome and Ljubljana take in one year what takes the Croatians 10 years to do in fish free for all. Now Slovenia is demanding the border between them be changed to Slovenia's liking and advantage even they have now legal legs to stand on. Also demanding that the Ljubljbanska bank don't have to pay back private depositors money back in the 100s of millions mostly to the Croatians but also other former Yugo republics citizens and many more ripoffs by the EU and its hypocrite mafia members. Serbia will not be exempt as you know and are going threw their illegal nonsenses now. Democratizes they are more like the worlds worst Hypocrisies.

Lol. The Eu doesn't even use it's own criteria for who joins and when.

Croatia in terms of development, economy and civil society is ahead of Romania and Bulgaria and even some Central European states who are members. Being a member of the EU is all based on sycophancy to western liberal democrats and Romania and Bulgaria are sycophants to them. Croats and others in the Balkans are not.

If Croatia is not ready, then how in the world did Bulgaria and Romania get in? Ok, yes there's the "we need to get them into the EU before they become economic satillites of Russia" thing, but please; Bulgaria and Romania are seeped in corruption far more than Croatia.

I also heard rumors (and I need to emphasize "rumors") that part of Croatia's obstacle is their alleged resistance to resettling Serbs from Operation Storm - but let's be frank: that was 13 years ago and many Krajina Serbs have established new lives in Serbia and I doubt many would want to go back.

Regardless of whatever reasons are in Croatia's way, it certainly contributes to those who believe EU entry is little more than hoop-jumping and dog-begging by those who are willing to prostrate themselves at the throne of Brussels.

"The Eastern European nations - the Slavic nations in particular - should form their own political block to counteract the exploitation and oppression of our lands from Western Europeans!"

Dear ak,

by stating this you clearly miss the point. The question is not exploitation or oppression, because every nation in Eastern-Europe can chose freely to enter the EU.
Only, if you want to enter the club, you have to play according the rules of them. That means: "Fight corruption". I was long enough in the Eastern-Europe countries to see that in your daily lives corruption and bribing is as normal as buying a loaf of bread in a bakery. If this is the so called 'Slavic culture', it is okay with me, but don't try to become a member of the EU. Bulgaria got shown what might happen, if you don't fight this, for Western-Europeans, bad habit.
And even after the economical crisis in the 'West', it is still the place where the main part of the 'Eastern' countries is depending on.
It is for me shocking that the demand for ruling, law, order, safety etc. is depicted in a model: 'slave and master'. It is the propaganda trick of a part of your politicians, with which they try to prevent to be stripped from their possibility to get rich on the back of their own citizens by for instance, giving their friends the nice jobs as directors of state-owned companies. If you want to live on with this system, okay, but don't try to enter the EU; the 'West' did and still do a severe fight against it, and by allowing more nations with bad habits in their circle, the anti-corruption fight will be much harder.

Just because my country (Romania) was mentioned in this debate, I feel like some things must be said…

First of all, I agree that Croatia is economically more developed than Romania and Bulgaria. I’ve been in Croatia for couple weeks back in 2001 (Split, Zagreb) and the country appeared to me as being very Western-looking. However, I believe that the simple comparison between my country and Croatia is not fair – not for Romanians and, to be honest, not even for Croatians. Why? Because any comparison should not resume only to economy, or how big a country is, or the religion of its inhabitants etc. There are some other important things people should consider when they compare themselves with others, things which are important because they tend to be remembered and used to describe further a nation, a country.

Therefore, it may be that Romania is poorer than Croatia, but the ethnic minorities are much better treated in my country (the 6% Hungarian ethnic political party participates in each Romanian government since 1996, and probably will continue to do it further). And each of the sixteen minority groups in Romania has a reserved seat in the Parliament, Albanians and Croatians included! (yes, we used to be a sort of asylum country back then, when Ottomans were all over the Balkans and crossing the Danube into Romanian Principalities used to be a good idea, Albanians surely know what I mean… if not, pls read the biographies of your ‘founding fathers’ and look for Bucharest, Craiova or Constantza).

Also, in Romania we do not have war criminals hiding behind the patriotic zeal of the common people intoxicated by propaganda, defying domestic and international justice only because they think they fought a “good war” and some "collateral damage” (killing and raping etc.) should be ignored. Btw, I just finished a book written by Slavenka Drakulic, a Croatian, translated into Romanian, “They would never hurt a fly” (about war criminals from Ex-Yugoslav countries, no nationality spared! ), and reading it almost made me sick.

And yes, we have corruption in Romania; but by this standard, several of the “senior EU members” should be kicked out in minute (e.g. Italy)!

As for being sycophants, yes, it is true that we, Romanians, are acting like sycophants for “western liberal democrats”, as
Yaroslav says.
And we are proud of that.
We started even before 1999, when Romania and Bulgaria sided with NATO in opposing Milosevic regime over Kosovo. We pledged to act as allies, and we delivered the promised support. Well, we didn't expect Kosovo Albanians to remember this, anyway we didn’t do it for them, we did it to keep our word. The same we are doing today, when we do not recognize Kosovo’s self-proclaimed independence.
As for Croatia… it was a sycophant of Germany and Austria from its very (recent) beginning, but it got overconfident. And when Croats were told to hand over Gotovina&Co. to Hague, they refused and when they finally complied, it was too late and the masters in Berlin+Vienna were already angry. Result: no EU! And the chance was lost!

Personally, I find very funny that same countries bombing Serbia nine years ago are, today, very scrupulous with their former pet-country, Croatia, when is about joining EU. Moreover, Western powers seem to do this just to give Belgrade the impression of ‘fair treatment’ (in comparison with Croatia) and as compensation for losing Kosovo…

However, everybody sleeps as they make their bed, is the saying. We did not create any of your troubles, dear neighbors from ex-Yugoslavia, therefore is pointless to continue to look down on us. You (all of you) need all your friends you can get.

Best from Bucharest,
George

PS: For MIKE:
if you are really American or Briton (sorry, I don’t remember exactly), then you should be less judgmental on issues pertaining to this part of Europe. Not that I do not find most of your observations to be correct, but sometimes you cross the line: me and others, we are born and we live here, and you are just a foreigner, therefore but somehow limited in perceptions and insight. We Romanians, we know better our deal with Bruxelles, no need for you to speak for us. No offense, OK?