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Thursday, 04.12.2008.

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NATO seeks closer ties with Serbia

NATO foreign ministers have offered to expand cooperation between the Alliance and Serbia by drawing up a Partnership for Peace action plan.

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Srboslav

pre 15 godina

Cooporation with NATO, yes
Membership, NO WAY!

Serbia (and former SFRJ) have a long and proud tradition as a non aligned country.

We should never give that up, specially not to the ones that bombed us just to steer the media away from a dress with suspected stains on in the white house...

Remember wag the dog? Couldn't be more true here.

And as far as I know NATO haven't paid for any rebuilding in Serbia, finally after more than 3 years EU paid for the cleaning up of the bridges in Novi Sad, but not after the waterway to the Black Sea was untravelable for a couple of years.

The losses from Germany were to big when Danube was not travable.
I even remember when the Danube commision i Budapest said that Serbia should clean up the damaged bridges because it affects trade for everyone else in the region.

Then Milosevic said the only thing I support him 100% on, he said: We did not destroy the bridges, so why should we pay for the cleaning and rebuilding of them when others are complaining?

In the end EU gave some donations not to rebuild, but to remove the damaged bridges, but not NATO

bganon

pre 15 godina

As I've stated before I do not support the military organisation NATO and have particularly condemned its killing of civilians and use of depleted uranium etc.

However, I'd like to put a scenario to those who are more anti NATO than I am.

If joining NATO meant that Kosovo would remain within Serbia, would you make that 'sacrifice'? I'm not saying it is like that in real life. I'm just interested in your reactions.

Duro

pre 15 godina

Maybe if we joined both the EU and NATO in the 90's all would be well but that not the case. Both organization in the 21st century have lost their glamor and are fast loosing their popularity amongst the world population. NATO is divided between over Georgia and Ukraine and is losing the war in Afghanistan so why on earth would we want to join that stupid organization? They can have Croatia and Albania good I say send them to far way countries to die in a country that has no meaning to their own.

Ivan Sirko

pre 15 godina

All of the hedonistic metro-sexual wannabe sycophants from Serbia that want to be close to NATO should move to Romania or Bulgaria, or if they want to wait a while they can choose Albania or Croatia. This way they can all cheer together when NATO kills innocent people while ignoring the opium growers in Afghanistan and protecting the heroin dealers and organ harvesters in Kosovo.

Petar

pre 15 godina

To # 6

To knowingly send your children into a murderous organization, so your children can murder their innocent brothers and sisters all over the world, for the sake of joinning the "club" which promises protection and material rewards, is poor in Spirit indeed.

MikeC

pre 15 godina

Nothing good can come out of NATO membership, not for Serbia anyway. What NATO didn't succeed with during the bombing campaign they will try to acomplish with negotiations, namely occupying Serbia leagaly and turning it's people into modern slaves.
Serbs, wake up! It's enough they are occupying our beloved land of Kosovo.

MikeC

pre 15 godina

Paying for a brigde NATO helped to destroy is the least the most powerfull military aliance can do. However, who will pay for the thousands of people who died in the bombing campaign and the thousands of people who are continuing to die from the long term effects of the bombing campaign. NATO has killed far more people than it intended to save. If the Serbs join NATO, well, then we truly deserve what we got.

Dragan

pre 15 godina

So now you want to be friends, do you NATO?? Well first you have to send Wesley Clark to the Hague for war crimes, along with the rest of his 'humanitarian bomber' brigade.
Also, you need to pay for the billions of dollars and rebuild all the infrastructure in Serbia that was needlessly destroyed. Also, you need to rescind your recognition of the fake/illegal/immoral 'state' of Kosovo. Serbian soldiers need to be allowed back into Kosovo, as per the Kumanovo agreement. In addition, the NATO states will need to recognize Republika Srpska, which has every right to self determination and should not be forced to live in the fake state of Bosnia - which is a pipe dream that will never last anyway.
If they do all that, then maybe, maaaayyybeeeeee, Serbia will have you. Otherwise, Serbia will have a military alliance with Russia, our true friends and allies :)), not liars and hypocrites like NATO.
Cheers!!

Patrik

pre 15 godina

"Why would Serbia want to join NATO after the illegal 1999 war? It is not only the principle of the thing, at the same time, why would Serbia want to send soldiers to fight and die in foreign countries as would be required with NATO membership?"

Because that is part of being in a "world organization". You think the average American soldier wants to die in a foreign land? It is time for Serbia to stop isolating itself from the world, and I think that Tadic knows that.

Milan

pre 15 godina

To "HE WHO SPEAKS THE TRUTH" (#3),

You usually have good and balanced comments here, but this one is just pure junk. When did NATO send a check to Serbia for all the civilian and industrial infrastructure that was damaged during the 1999 aggressive NATO air war? Who did rebuild the bridges? American, UK, German, and so on companies? Or maybe Serbian companies? No matter what Serbia had to pay for something that they did not ask for. I do not see any reason to move on. First pay until the last penny, clean up the enriched uranium and promise to pay for any future health costs if people get sick, apologize to Serbia and all Serbs for people getting killed or injured (not to mention psychological stress and trauma) and for an endless smear campaign to demonize the Serbs, and start sending the political and NATO military leadership to The Hague to face international justice. I do not see Serbia NATO any time soon and hopefully never. I do not like to see Serbian blood being wasted to support all kinds of imperialistic wars that are being created in the name of "against terror" while in reality they are aimed to secure natural resources. If the west would be much less wasteful with natural resources there would be no need to invade countries, enslave innocent people, destroy authentic cultures, and try to dominate the world with an empty and meaningless culture that is unnatural and unsustainable. Censored (#1) and Serge (#2) said it all in less words than I did. And that is my truth.

JC, USA

pre 15 godina

Why would Serbia want to join NATO after the illegal 1999 war? It is not only the principle of the thing, at the same time, why would Serbia want to send soldiers to fight and die in foreign countries as would be required with NATO membership?

HE WHO SPEAKS THE TRUTH

pre 15 godina

They already paid for the bombings who rebuilt the bridges and the infrastrucure. Let's move on and incorporate Serbia into NATO. That is coming soon.

Dragan

pre 15 godina

So now you want to be friends, do you NATO?? Well first you have to send Wesley Clark to the Hague for war crimes, along with the rest of his 'humanitarian bomber' brigade.
Also, you need to pay for the billions of dollars and rebuild all the infrastructure in Serbia that was needlessly destroyed. Also, you need to rescind your recognition of the fake/illegal/immoral 'state' of Kosovo. Serbian soldiers need to be allowed back into Kosovo, as per the Kumanovo agreement. In addition, the NATO states will need to recognize Republika Srpska, which has every right to self determination and should not be forced to live in the fake state of Bosnia - which is a pipe dream that will never last anyway.
If they do all that, then maybe, maaaayyybeeeeee, Serbia will have you. Otherwise, Serbia will have a military alliance with Russia, our true friends and allies :)), not liars and hypocrites like NATO.
Cheers!!

Srboslav

pre 15 godina

Cooporation with NATO, yes
Membership, NO WAY!

Serbia (and former SFRJ) have a long and proud tradition as a non aligned country.

We should never give that up, specially not to the ones that bombed us just to steer the media away from a dress with suspected stains on in the white house...

Remember wag the dog? Couldn't be more true here.

And as far as I know NATO haven't paid for any rebuilding in Serbia, finally after more than 3 years EU paid for the cleaning up of the bridges in Novi Sad, but not after the waterway to the Black Sea was untravelable for a couple of years.

The losses from Germany were to big when Danube was not travable.
I even remember when the Danube commision i Budapest said that Serbia should clean up the damaged bridges because it affects trade for everyone else in the region.

Then Milosevic said the only thing I support him 100% on, he said: We did not destroy the bridges, so why should we pay for the cleaning and rebuilding of them when others are complaining?

In the end EU gave some donations not to rebuild, but to remove the damaged bridges, but not NATO

Milan

pre 15 godina

To "HE WHO SPEAKS THE TRUTH" (#3),

You usually have good and balanced comments here, but this one is just pure junk. When did NATO send a check to Serbia for all the civilian and industrial infrastructure that was damaged during the 1999 aggressive NATO air war? Who did rebuild the bridges? American, UK, German, and so on companies? Or maybe Serbian companies? No matter what Serbia had to pay for something that they did not ask for. I do not see any reason to move on. First pay until the last penny, clean up the enriched uranium and promise to pay for any future health costs if people get sick, apologize to Serbia and all Serbs for people getting killed or injured (not to mention psychological stress and trauma) and for an endless smear campaign to demonize the Serbs, and start sending the political and NATO military leadership to The Hague to face international justice. I do not see Serbia NATO any time soon and hopefully never. I do not like to see Serbian blood being wasted to support all kinds of imperialistic wars that are being created in the name of "against terror" while in reality they are aimed to secure natural resources. If the west would be much less wasteful with natural resources there would be no need to invade countries, enslave innocent people, destroy authentic cultures, and try to dominate the world with an empty and meaningless culture that is unnatural and unsustainable. Censored (#1) and Serge (#2) said it all in less words than I did. And that is my truth.

Duro

pre 15 godina

Maybe if we joined both the EU and NATO in the 90's all would be well but that not the case. Both organization in the 21st century have lost their glamor and are fast loosing their popularity amongst the world population. NATO is divided between over Georgia and Ukraine and is losing the war in Afghanistan so why on earth would we want to join that stupid organization? They can have Croatia and Albania good I say send them to far way countries to die in a country that has no meaning to their own.

MikeC

pre 15 godina

Nothing good can come out of NATO membership, not for Serbia anyway. What NATO didn't succeed with during the bombing campaign they will try to acomplish with negotiations, namely occupying Serbia leagaly and turning it's people into modern slaves.
Serbs, wake up! It's enough they are occupying our beloved land of Kosovo.

MikeC

pre 15 godina

Paying for a brigde NATO helped to destroy is the least the most powerfull military aliance can do. However, who will pay for the thousands of people who died in the bombing campaign and the thousands of people who are continuing to die from the long term effects of the bombing campaign. NATO has killed far more people than it intended to save. If the Serbs join NATO, well, then we truly deserve what we got.

Ivan Sirko

pre 15 godina

All of the hedonistic metro-sexual wannabe sycophants from Serbia that want to be close to NATO should move to Romania or Bulgaria, or if they want to wait a while they can choose Albania or Croatia. This way they can all cheer together when NATO kills innocent people while ignoring the opium growers in Afghanistan and protecting the heroin dealers and organ harvesters in Kosovo.

Petar

pre 15 godina

To # 6

To knowingly send your children into a murderous organization, so your children can murder their innocent brothers and sisters all over the world, for the sake of joinning the "club" which promises protection and material rewards, is poor in Spirit indeed.

JC, USA

pre 15 godina

Why would Serbia want to join NATO after the illegal 1999 war? It is not only the principle of the thing, at the same time, why would Serbia want to send soldiers to fight and die in foreign countries as would be required with NATO membership?

HE WHO SPEAKS THE TRUTH

pre 15 godina

They already paid for the bombings who rebuilt the bridges and the infrastrucure. Let's move on and incorporate Serbia into NATO. That is coming soon.

Patrik

pre 15 godina

"Why would Serbia want to join NATO after the illegal 1999 war? It is not only the principle of the thing, at the same time, why would Serbia want to send soldiers to fight and die in foreign countries as would be required with NATO membership?"

Because that is part of being in a "world organization". You think the average American soldier wants to die in a foreign land? It is time for Serbia to stop isolating itself from the world, and I think that Tadic knows that.

bganon

pre 15 godina

As I've stated before I do not support the military organisation NATO and have particularly condemned its killing of civilians and use of depleted uranium etc.

However, I'd like to put a scenario to those who are more anti NATO than I am.

If joining NATO meant that Kosovo would remain within Serbia, would you make that 'sacrifice'? I'm not saying it is like that in real life. I'm just interested in your reactions.

HE WHO SPEAKS THE TRUTH

pre 15 godina

They already paid for the bombings who rebuilt the bridges and the infrastrucure. Let's move on and incorporate Serbia into NATO. That is coming soon.

bganon

pre 15 godina

As I've stated before I do not support the military organisation NATO and have particularly condemned its killing of civilians and use of depleted uranium etc.

However, I'd like to put a scenario to those who are more anti NATO than I am.

If joining NATO meant that Kosovo would remain within Serbia, would you make that 'sacrifice'? I'm not saying it is like that in real life. I'm just interested in your reactions.

Patrik

pre 15 godina

"Why would Serbia want to join NATO after the illegal 1999 war? It is not only the principle of the thing, at the same time, why would Serbia want to send soldiers to fight and die in foreign countries as would be required with NATO membership?"

Because that is part of being in a "world organization". You think the average American soldier wants to die in a foreign land? It is time for Serbia to stop isolating itself from the world, and I think that Tadic knows that.

Dragan

pre 15 godina

So now you want to be friends, do you NATO?? Well first you have to send Wesley Clark to the Hague for war crimes, along with the rest of his 'humanitarian bomber' brigade.
Also, you need to pay for the billions of dollars and rebuild all the infrastructure in Serbia that was needlessly destroyed. Also, you need to rescind your recognition of the fake/illegal/immoral 'state' of Kosovo. Serbian soldiers need to be allowed back into Kosovo, as per the Kumanovo agreement. In addition, the NATO states will need to recognize Republika Srpska, which has every right to self determination and should not be forced to live in the fake state of Bosnia - which is a pipe dream that will never last anyway.
If they do all that, then maybe, maaaayyybeeeeee, Serbia will have you. Otherwise, Serbia will have a military alliance with Russia, our true friends and allies :)), not liars and hypocrites like NATO.
Cheers!!

Ivan Sirko

pre 15 godina

All of the hedonistic metro-sexual wannabe sycophants from Serbia that want to be close to NATO should move to Romania or Bulgaria, or if they want to wait a while they can choose Albania or Croatia. This way they can all cheer together when NATO kills innocent people while ignoring the opium growers in Afghanistan and protecting the heroin dealers and organ harvesters in Kosovo.

MikeC

pre 15 godina

Nothing good can come out of NATO membership, not for Serbia anyway. What NATO didn't succeed with during the bombing campaign they will try to acomplish with negotiations, namely occupying Serbia leagaly and turning it's people into modern slaves.
Serbs, wake up! It's enough they are occupying our beloved land of Kosovo.

MikeC

pre 15 godina

Paying for a brigde NATO helped to destroy is the least the most powerfull military aliance can do. However, who will pay for the thousands of people who died in the bombing campaign and the thousands of people who are continuing to die from the long term effects of the bombing campaign. NATO has killed far more people than it intended to save. If the Serbs join NATO, well, then we truly deserve what we got.

JC, USA

pre 15 godina

Why would Serbia want to join NATO after the illegal 1999 war? It is not only the principle of the thing, at the same time, why would Serbia want to send soldiers to fight and die in foreign countries as would be required with NATO membership?

Milan

pre 15 godina

To "HE WHO SPEAKS THE TRUTH" (#3),

You usually have good and balanced comments here, but this one is just pure junk. When did NATO send a check to Serbia for all the civilian and industrial infrastructure that was damaged during the 1999 aggressive NATO air war? Who did rebuild the bridges? American, UK, German, and so on companies? Or maybe Serbian companies? No matter what Serbia had to pay for something that they did not ask for. I do not see any reason to move on. First pay until the last penny, clean up the enriched uranium and promise to pay for any future health costs if people get sick, apologize to Serbia and all Serbs for people getting killed or injured (not to mention psychological stress and trauma) and for an endless smear campaign to demonize the Serbs, and start sending the political and NATO military leadership to The Hague to face international justice. I do not see Serbia NATO any time soon and hopefully never. I do not like to see Serbian blood being wasted to support all kinds of imperialistic wars that are being created in the name of "against terror" while in reality they are aimed to secure natural resources. If the west would be much less wasteful with natural resources there would be no need to invade countries, enslave innocent people, destroy authentic cultures, and try to dominate the world with an empty and meaningless culture that is unnatural and unsustainable. Censored (#1) and Serge (#2) said it all in less words than I did. And that is my truth.

Petar

pre 15 godina

To # 6

To knowingly send your children into a murderous organization, so your children can murder their innocent brothers and sisters all over the world, for the sake of joinning the "club" which promises protection and material rewards, is poor in Spirit indeed.

Srboslav

pre 15 godina

Cooporation with NATO, yes
Membership, NO WAY!

Serbia (and former SFRJ) have a long and proud tradition as a non aligned country.

We should never give that up, specially not to the ones that bombed us just to steer the media away from a dress with suspected stains on in the white house...

Remember wag the dog? Couldn't be more true here.

And as far as I know NATO haven't paid for any rebuilding in Serbia, finally after more than 3 years EU paid for the cleaning up of the bridges in Novi Sad, but not after the waterway to the Black Sea was untravelable for a couple of years.

The losses from Germany were to big when Danube was not travable.
I even remember when the Danube commision i Budapest said that Serbia should clean up the damaged bridges because it affects trade for everyone else in the region.

Then Milosevic said the only thing I support him 100% on, he said: We did not destroy the bridges, so why should we pay for the cleaning and rebuilding of them when others are complaining?

In the end EU gave some donations not to rebuild, but to remove the damaged bridges, but not NATO

Duro

pre 15 godina

Maybe if we joined both the EU and NATO in the 90's all would be well but that not the case. Both organization in the 21st century have lost their glamor and are fast loosing their popularity amongst the world population. NATO is divided between over Georgia and Ukraine and is losing the war in Afghanistan so why on earth would we want to join that stupid organization? They can have Croatia and Albania good I say send them to far way countries to die in a country that has no meaning to their own.