>>>>"Now back to EULEX. Looks to me like it will be a wait and see approach for the north. EULEX has to inspire confidence in Serbs first and then they will be allowed in. Kind of like a trial period."
No delays, NATO and others said so. No trial period either, Serbs accepted and in fact pushed for this against Albanian objections. We need to be integrated in EU, no more delays and UNMIK is leaving completely in 120 days.
B 92 it would be more appropriate and fair to a people to cover the latest news where only yesterday 17 albanians vehicles with KS licence plate were vandalized in northern part of Mitrovica..
(uli, 4 December 2008 18:18)
B92 has already reported it. Since when do you get to pick and choose which storeis are reported on this site? Even if this was not reported I'm sure you can find the story somewhere else.
Now back to EULEX. Looks to me like it will be a wait and see approach for the north. EULEX has to inspire confidence in Serbs first and then they will be allowed in. Kind of like a trial period.
B 92 it would be more appropriate and fair to a people to cover the latest news where only yesterday 17 albanians vehicles with KS licence plate were vandalized in northern part of Mitrovica..
(uli, 4 December 2008 18:18)
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uli, what does that have to do with the delayed deployment of the EU mission?
But since you mentioned it, having those plates in Mitrovica is a provocation. It would be like wearing a US flag t-shirt in the centre of Baghdad or a flag of Palestine in Tel Aviv.
Ron, kate,
If the EU does anything against 1244 the UN must take away EU's mandate immediately.
Just curious as to what is the magical force that is going to make the UN do this.
As seen at the UNSC and in Ban'x report. EULEX is necessary due to the changes on the ground and the fact that with the Constitution of Kosovo coming into force UNMIK no longer has the ability to fulfill its mandate.
What outside of 1244 do you anticipate EU doing. I assume you are referring to the territorial integrity argument.
Resolution 1244 acknowledged the territorial integrity of Serbia (Y) in 1999. However it is an evolving document. with steps to oversee up to the final settlement of the status of Kosovo. One side says status has been settled, the other side says it has not. Hence the new term the UN and EU now operate under---status neutral. Meaning not endorsing the independence of Kosovo nor confirming that it is an autonomous province of Serbia.
As a technical mission Eulex does not need to tackle that issue, they will enforce the laws created by the Kosovo govt as mandated by Res 1244.
B 92 it would be more appropriate and fair to a people to cover the latest news where only yesterday 17 albanians vehicles with KS licence plate were vandalized in northern part of Mitrovica.. Please B 92 dont be one sided, you will be more credited if you reflect "bad" news for both camps, so people dont get feeded it and know the reality better. Thank you
EULEX will definitely be spread all over Kosova, including the Northern part too where there is no stability because serbs seem to be in control there, as you people see, wherever serbs are in control, there is no stability so therefore serbs are the ones to blame.
Also, EULEX is something that came out of AHTISAARI plan so therefore EULEX was accepted by serbs which concludes that serbs are starting to accept things that came from Ahtisaari plan.
The sooner the serbs understand the trick, the better it is.
Serbs are known for celebrating defeats, this time Jeremic is trying to make serbs celebrate and this time for sure serbs had such a big defeat also.
For the first time Kosova was allowed to speak in UN as a government representing Kosova.
PRN: "The EULEX is part of Ahtisaari plan, and as such it will ONLY solidify the sovereignty, intergrity or better say independence of Kosovo."
Please just come up with some sort of agreement made with, or official statement from, the UN to support your theory.
The A Plan has been totally excluded as one of the 6 provisos of EULEX being deployed at all.
As Ron rightly says: "The EU can only work within the framework (of 1244). Meaning Kosovo is part of Serbia.
"If the EU does anyting against 1244 the UN must take away EU's mandate immediatelly (after warning of course)."
So how, after the agreement just made with the UN, which is the only organisation with any actual control, can you come up with your statement about EULEX and the A Plan? Or that independence will be recognised, when being status neutral is the top proviso?
I don't blame you for wishful thinking, but EULEX is status neutral, not based on the A Plan, and not the body in overall charge. That's the UN.
When it comes to K-Serbs, I'll take a statement by Ivanovic anyday over anyone else. My guess is that EULEX will deploy in the north, but with a slightly altered set of objectives that are met in agreement with the Serb Assembly, which in my opinion is the legitimate goverment there.
As for the enclaves in the center and south of Kosovo, this is where the rubber will hit the road. They really can't avoid EULEX and some form of cooperation with Pristina if they want to survive past this current generation. Even if Albanians leave them completely alone, economic needs will force much of the Serbian youth to migrate either to Central Serbia or Mitrovica to seek a better life. That's why I feel EULEX will be needed in these enclaves more than in the north.
It is not good to dream with eyes open. The EULEX is part of Ahtisaari plan, and as such it will ONLY solidify the sovereignty, intergrity or better say independence of Kosovo.
I don't see any point for the EU mission to deploy in the North. If anything, Serbian police should go there instead.
The North really isn't a problem but since more Serbians live in the South, some kind of freedom of travel and transportation needs to be in place. As the functional partition evolves, this will be more important.
Ivanovic should be honest and say that EULEX won't be deployed in Northern Kosovo ever. I understand that he tries to be moderate and does not want to upset Albanians, but the truth is that EULEX stays out of North, which is absolutely normal since Serbs know how to run own affairs. That is called de facto partition for a little while before it becomes de jure. Ivanovic has no guts to name it as it should, but the question is what we are going to do with the Serbian enclaves in Southern part. Belgrade must provide them with sort of independence and keep them under Belgrade's control the same way as North.
Here starts the boomerang for Serbia and Serbs in Kosovo. It shows that Serbs are not different from Albanians. They want something knowing that the other side will not accept or complain. Serbs insisted to have EULEX under UN but not in the North. Demonizing EULEX since February were Serbs. Serbia is trying to get Kosovo back using a back door policy. The problem is that there were no back door at all. I am sure the Albanians will blame all the 6 point friends for not implementing EULEX from D day in all Kosovo. The looser ar 100% the Serbs in Kosovo. The same as in Srpska. Good Luck with EU or not EULEX
Actually i would be surprised if they (EULEX) will be deployed in north at all.Serbs in north made it clear that they don't want EULEX over there at all.Its a good opportunity for Belgrade to show how much influence it had and it has in north.We will find out i suppose.just wondering that's all.
Ivanovic should be honest and say that EULEX won't be deployed in Northern Kosovo ever. I understand that he tries to be moderate and does not want to upset Albanians, but the truth is that EULEX stays out of North, which is absolutely normal since Serbs know how to run own affairs. That is called de facto partition for a little while before it becomes de jure. Ivanovic has no guts to name it as it should, but the question is what we are going to do with the Serbian enclaves in Southern part. Belgrade must provide them with sort of independence and keep them under Belgrade's control the same way as North.
I don't see any point for the EU mission to deploy in the North. If anything, Serbian police should go there instead.
The North really isn't a problem but since more Serbians live in the South, some kind of freedom of travel and transportation needs to be in place. As the functional partition evolves, this will be more important.
Here starts the boomerang for Serbia and Serbs in Kosovo. It shows that Serbs are not different from Albanians. They want something knowing that the other side will not accept or complain. Serbs insisted to have EULEX under UN but not in the North. Demonizing EULEX since February were Serbs. Serbia is trying to get Kosovo back using a back door policy. The problem is that there were no back door at all. I am sure the Albanians will blame all the 6 point friends for not implementing EULEX from D day in all Kosovo. The looser ar 100% the Serbs in Kosovo. The same as in Srpska. Good Luck with EU or not EULEX
It is not good to dream with eyes open. The EULEX is part of Ahtisaari plan, and as such it will ONLY solidify the sovereignty, intergrity or better say independence of Kosovo.
Actually i would be surprised if they (EULEX) will be deployed in north at all.Serbs in north made it clear that they don't want EULEX over there at all.Its a good opportunity for Belgrade to show how much influence it had and it has in north.We will find out i suppose.just wondering that's all.
When it comes to K-Serbs, I'll take a statement by Ivanovic anyday over anyone else. My guess is that EULEX will deploy in the north, but with a slightly altered set of objectives that are met in agreement with the Serb Assembly, which in my opinion is the legitimate goverment there.
As for the enclaves in the center and south of Kosovo, this is where the rubber will hit the road. They really can't avoid EULEX and some form of cooperation with Pristina if they want to survive past this current generation. Even if Albanians leave them completely alone, economic needs will force much of the Serbian youth to migrate either to Central Serbia or Mitrovica to seek a better life. That's why I feel EULEX will be needed in these enclaves more than in the north.
B 92 it would be more appropriate and fair to a people to cover the latest news where only yesterday 17 albanians vehicles with KS licence plate were vandalized in northern part of Mitrovica..
(uli, 4 December 2008 18:18)
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uli, what does that have to do with the delayed deployment of the EU mission?
But since you mentioned it, having those plates in Mitrovica is a provocation. It would be like wearing a US flag t-shirt in the centre of Baghdad or a flag of Palestine in Tel Aviv.
EULEX will definitely be spread all over Kosova, including the Northern part too where there is no stability because serbs seem to be in control there, as you people see, wherever serbs are in control, there is no stability so therefore serbs are the ones to blame.
Also, EULEX is something that came out of AHTISAARI plan so therefore EULEX was accepted by serbs which concludes that serbs are starting to accept things that came from Ahtisaari plan.
The sooner the serbs understand the trick, the better it is.
Serbs are known for celebrating defeats, this time Jeremic is trying to make serbs celebrate and this time for sure serbs had such a big defeat also.
For the first time Kosova was allowed to speak in UN as a government representing Kosova.
PRN: "The EULEX is part of Ahtisaari plan, and as such it will ONLY solidify the sovereignty, intergrity or better say independence of Kosovo."
Please just come up with some sort of agreement made with, or official statement from, the UN to support your theory.
The A Plan has been totally excluded as one of the 6 provisos of EULEX being deployed at all.
As Ron rightly says: "The EU can only work within the framework (of 1244). Meaning Kosovo is part of Serbia.
"If the EU does anyting against 1244 the UN must take away EU's mandate immediatelly (after warning of course)."
So how, after the agreement just made with the UN, which is the only organisation with any actual control, can you come up with your statement about EULEX and the A Plan? Or that independence will be recognised, when being status neutral is the top proviso?
I don't blame you for wishful thinking, but EULEX is status neutral, not based on the A Plan, and not the body in overall charge. That's the UN.
B 92 it would be more appropriate and fair to a people to cover the latest news where only yesterday 17 albanians vehicles with KS licence plate were vandalized in northern part of Mitrovica.. Please B 92 dont be one sided, you will be more credited if you reflect "bad" news for both camps, so people dont get feeded it and know the reality better. Thank you
Ron, kate,
If the EU does anything against 1244 the UN must take away EU's mandate immediately.
Just curious as to what is the magical force that is going to make the UN do this.
As seen at the UNSC and in Ban'x report. EULEX is necessary due to the changes on the ground and the fact that with the Constitution of Kosovo coming into force UNMIK no longer has the ability to fulfill its mandate.
What outside of 1244 do you anticipate EU doing. I assume you are referring to the territorial integrity argument.
Resolution 1244 acknowledged the territorial integrity of Serbia (Y) in 1999. However it is an evolving document. with steps to oversee up to the final settlement of the status of Kosovo. One side says status has been settled, the other side says it has not. Hence the new term the UN and EU now operate under---status neutral. Meaning not endorsing the independence of Kosovo nor confirming that it is an autonomous province of Serbia.
As a technical mission Eulex does not need to tackle that issue, they will enforce the laws created by the Kosovo govt as mandated by Res 1244.
B 92 it would be more appropriate and fair to a people to cover the latest news where only yesterday 17 albanians vehicles with KS licence plate were vandalized in northern part of Mitrovica..
(uli, 4 December 2008 18:18)
B92 has already reported it. Since when do you get to pick and choose which storeis are reported on this site? Even if this was not reported I'm sure you can find the story somewhere else.
Now back to EULEX. Looks to me like it will be a wait and see approach for the north. EULEX has to inspire confidence in Serbs first and then they will be allowed in. Kind of like a trial period.
>>>>"Now back to EULEX. Looks to me like it will be a wait and see approach for the north. EULEX has to inspire confidence in Serbs first and then they will be allowed in. Kind of like a trial period."
No delays, NATO and others said so. No trial period either, Serbs accepted and in fact pushed for this against Albanian objections. We need to be integrated in EU, no more delays and UNMIK is leaving completely in 120 days.
Here starts the boomerang for Serbia and Serbs in Kosovo. It shows that Serbs are not different from Albanians. They want something knowing that the other side will not accept or complain. Serbs insisted to have EULEX under UN but not in the North. Demonizing EULEX since February were Serbs. Serbia is trying to get Kosovo back using a back door policy. The problem is that there were no back door at all. I am sure the Albanians will blame all the 6 point friends for not implementing EULEX from D day in all Kosovo. The looser ar 100% the Serbs in Kosovo. The same as in Srpska. Good Luck with EU or not EULEX
It is not good to dream with eyes open. The EULEX is part of Ahtisaari plan, and as such it will ONLY solidify the sovereignty, intergrity or better say independence of Kosovo.
EULEX will definitely be spread all over Kosova, including the Northern part too where there is no stability because serbs seem to be in control there, as you people see, wherever serbs are in control, there is no stability so therefore serbs are the ones to blame.
Also, EULEX is something that came out of AHTISAARI plan so therefore EULEX was accepted by serbs which concludes that serbs are starting to accept things that came from Ahtisaari plan.
The sooner the serbs understand the trick, the better it is.
Serbs are known for celebrating defeats, this time Jeremic is trying to make serbs celebrate and this time for sure serbs had such a big defeat also.
For the first time Kosova was allowed to speak in UN as a government representing Kosova.
Actually i would be surprised if they (EULEX) will be deployed in north at all.Serbs in north made it clear that they don't want EULEX over there at all.Its a good opportunity for Belgrade to show how much influence it had and it has in north.We will find out i suppose.just wondering that's all.
Ivanovic should be honest and say that EULEX won't be deployed in Northern Kosovo ever. I understand that he tries to be moderate and does not want to upset Albanians, but the truth is that EULEX stays out of North, which is absolutely normal since Serbs know how to run own affairs. That is called de facto partition for a little while before it becomes de jure. Ivanovic has no guts to name it as it should, but the question is what we are going to do with the Serbian enclaves in Southern part. Belgrade must provide them with sort of independence and keep them under Belgrade's control the same way as North.
B 92 it would be more appropriate and fair to a people to cover the latest news where only yesterday 17 albanians vehicles with KS licence plate were vandalized in northern part of Mitrovica.. Please B 92 dont be one sided, you will be more credited if you reflect "bad" news for both camps, so people dont get feeded it and know the reality better. Thank you
B 92 it would be more appropriate and fair to a people to cover the latest news where only yesterday 17 albanians vehicles with KS licence plate were vandalized in northern part of Mitrovica..
(uli, 4 December 2008 18:18)
--
uli, what does that have to do with the delayed deployment of the EU mission?
But since you mentioned it, having those plates in Mitrovica is a provocation. It would be like wearing a US flag t-shirt in the centre of Baghdad or a flag of Palestine in Tel Aviv.
PRN: "The EULEX is part of Ahtisaari plan, and as such it will ONLY solidify the sovereignty, intergrity or better say independence of Kosovo."
Please just come up with some sort of agreement made with, or official statement from, the UN to support your theory.
The A Plan has been totally excluded as one of the 6 provisos of EULEX being deployed at all.
As Ron rightly says: "The EU can only work within the framework (of 1244). Meaning Kosovo is part of Serbia.
"If the EU does anyting against 1244 the UN must take away EU's mandate immediatelly (after warning of course)."
So how, after the agreement just made with the UN, which is the only organisation with any actual control, can you come up with your statement about EULEX and the A Plan? Or that independence will be recognised, when being status neutral is the top proviso?
I don't blame you for wishful thinking, but EULEX is status neutral, not based on the A Plan, and not the body in overall charge. That's the UN.
>>>>"Now back to EULEX. Looks to me like it will be a wait and see approach for the north. EULEX has to inspire confidence in Serbs first and then they will be allowed in. Kind of like a trial period."
No delays, NATO and others said so. No trial period either, Serbs accepted and in fact pushed for this against Albanian objections. We need to be integrated in EU, no more delays and UNMIK is leaving completely in 120 days.
I don't see any point for the EU mission to deploy in the North. If anything, Serbian police should go there instead.
The North really isn't a problem but since more Serbians live in the South, some kind of freedom of travel and transportation needs to be in place. As the functional partition evolves, this will be more important.
B 92 it would be more appropriate and fair to a people to cover the latest news where only yesterday 17 albanians vehicles with KS licence plate were vandalized in northern part of Mitrovica..
(uli, 4 December 2008 18:18)
B92 has already reported it. Since when do you get to pick and choose which storeis are reported on this site? Even if this was not reported I'm sure you can find the story somewhere else.
Now back to EULEX. Looks to me like it will be a wait and see approach for the north. EULEX has to inspire confidence in Serbs first and then they will be allowed in. Kind of like a trial period.
Ron, kate,
If the EU does anything against 1244 the UN must take away EU's mandate immediately.
Just curious as to what is the magical force that is going to make the UN do this.
As seen at the UNSC and in Ban'x report. EULEX is necessary due to the changes on the ground and the fact that with the Constitution of Kosovo coming into force UNMIK no longer has the ability to fulfill its mandate.
What outside of 1244 do you anticipate EU doing. I assume you are referring to the territorial integrity argument.
Resolution 1244 acknowledged the territorial integrity of Serbia (Y) in 1999. However it is an evolving document. with steps to oversee up to the final settlement of the status of Kosovo. One side says status has been settled, the other side says it has not. Hence the new term the UN and EU now operate under---status neutral. Meaning not endorsing the independence of Kosovo nor confirming that it is an autonomous province of Serbia.
As a technical mission Eulex does not need to tackle that issue, they will enforce the laws created by the Kosovo govt as mandated by Res 1244.
When it comes to K-Serbs, I'll take a statement by Ivanovic anyday over anyone else. My guess is that EULEX will deploy in the north, but with a slightly altered set of objectives that are met in agreement with the Serb Assembly, which in my opinion is the legitimate goverment there.
As for the enclaves in the center and south of Kosovo, this is where the rubber will hit the road. They really can't avoid EULEX and some form of cooperation with Pristina if they want to survive past this current generation. Even if Albanians leave them completely alone, economic needs will force much of the Serbian youth to migrate either to Central Serbia or Mitrovica to seek a better life. That's why I feel EULEX will be needed in these enclaves more than in the north.
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