Ivanović: UN plan protects sovereignty

The protection of Serbia's sovereignty is the prime directive, ignoring the Ahtisaari plan is the second.
Hopefully, the will of 8 million Serbs will exceed the desire of 1.5 million Albanians, attempting to break away Serbia's province of Kosovo.

Streets are full of Serbian criminals, gangsters, terrorist that run everything there.
(Olf, 24 November 2008 13:00)

I suppose all the people living throughout the rest of Kosovo are all angels and would never commit a crime...Wake up Olf! I've lived and worked there and been the victim of numerous thefts, especially in downtown Pristina. Funny though I don't remember seeing and speaking to many Serbs there.

Kosovo is not a Sovereign nor an independent country- end of discussion...

Dear Albanian Poster,
you will see in my post that i had stated, Kosovo being a province of Serbia. Those 8 millions Serbs own the province of Kosovo and have full rights to all Kosovo has to offer.

Hopefully, the will of +200 million Europeans will exceed the desire of 8 million Serbs.
(Jan Andersen, DK, 24 November 2008 18:17)
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When it comes to world representation, 6.5 billion people are on Serbia's side compared to a few million in opposition.

It really is a good thing the overwhelming majority of this world support international law and Serbia's integrity.

Fortunately, the balance of world power is shifting closer to Serbia's supporters. Slowly but surely with more than half of the G20 members on our side.

Ivanović said that the so-called six-point plan which the UN and Serbia have agreed on is based on respect for the UN Security Council’s Resolution 1244.

Exactly:Serbia and UN agreed on 6 point plan without Prishtina so you go ahead, and UN and implement it now without Prishtina if you can.Prishtina has got respect for UN as well,but Prishtina was disrespected by UN and Serbia by not involving Prishtina in negotiation.
Let me correct you Mr Ivanovic Serbia never had respect for UN unless it is in Serbia's interest so stop insulting our intelligence,and as far as Serb survival in Kosova i personally do not believe you,your survival i believe that.

The status of Kosovo, Ivanović continued, is not definitely solved and this is a “transitional period,” adding that the status must be debated again, while the fact that 52 countries have recognized the Kosovo Albanians' declaration "cannot be ignored".

Help me out here,what are you saying,or do you want me to tell you.Kosova did sit down and offered negotiated solution but Serbia wasn't really interested,also Kosova'r people will never give up their independence of Kosova never, never we fought hard and made big sacrifices for what we enjoy today and that's freedom.Can't put a price on freedom Kosovars know that,also appreciate their freedom.Ta

Jan of Denmark,
What does Denmark's 5.5 million population have to do with Serbia's province of Kosovo.
Are you comparing Canada's population of 33 million to that of Denmark's meager 5.5 million. Jan, are you trying to relay to the B92 readers, that Canada is insignificant to that of the USA. Do you know who the USA's biggest client and trading partner is.
I am never able to comprehend your posts, as they are always a riddle.

It is really strange to see Serbs supporting deployment of EULEX under any resolution especially when you have in mind that going to North of Mitrovica is like going back to 1990-1999. Streets are full of Serbian criminals, gangsters, terrorist that run everything there.
The way I see EULEX function in north of Kosova is;
1.Function same as UNMIK – support Serbian criminal, gangster and terrorist gangs. As a result of this is movement of Serbian population form north of Kosova to Serbia.
2.Implement in full EULEX mandate – Bring life to ordinary Serbs living there, as they are living abnormal life, starting with arrests of all Serbian mafia in north of Kosova in cooperation with Serbia.
All this I think could happen if there is a agreement at UN.

I hope and wish for a better life for ordinary Serbs living in north of Kosova.

It´s like when my country "voted" (was forced and threathened into €U with a 51/50 margin), they said it´s going to "protect our sovereignty".

Now we have no say whatsoever about laws being implemented and imposed upon us and they are turning it into a neo-liberal war mongering monster complete with a president and FBI.

What is good for Kosovo is that the Serbs be ready to protect themselves their land and their churches, no one is going to do that for them and they knoe it, just like they knew it in the past.

If Oliver Ivanovic is in favor the 6-point plan/compromise, that's proof enough that Belgrade is not pulling the strings, nor forcing the hand, of K-Serbs. Ivanovic is no nationalist, nor is he interested in taking direct orders from BG. He's the most moderate K-Serb official out there, and if even he wants nothing to do with Thaci's Pristina-based institutions, it's plain enough K-Serbs want no involvement either.

What soveregnity?
Mr. Ivanovich has to wake up.
Please somebody tell this guy that Kosova is an independent country since February 17th, 2008

Hruz, argue your point with Jan as she's the one throwing around numbers like they mean something. I am only responding with a similar argument, just to demonstrate Serbia is very well supported. Whatever the population of the US or EU, China has far more people than both and is a strong supporter of Serbia. India also supports Serbia and those countries with Russia represent half the world's population, which will dwarf anything anyone can throw at us.

The EU does not recognise Kosovo and neither does it expect Serbia to. That has already been made clear although it seems that the Albanians are losing favour with them lately. Wonder why?

Jan of Denmark,

Are you seriously trying to say that European citizens are all on Albanian side? That is wishful thinking and plus more.
How arrogant are you to presume that you can speak for all of Europe? I know that some governments have recognized Kosovo, but this may not the will of their people.

I can also say that billions more are on Serbian side by including the citizens of all the countries which have not recognized Kosovo but that would be speaking for others.

Why would European governments matter more than the rest of the world?

Nice try.

I love mr. Ivanovic he's a serious guy and I think he should be the minister for Kosovo.
He is mostly wright in his estimations so perhaps there will be the next round status negotiation sooner or later.

"Hopefully, the will of 8 million Serbs will exceed the desire of 1.5 million Albanians"

They are only about 130K Serbs in Kosova, not 8 million, only 130k would be normal citizens vs a ruling class. If you asked those 8 million they would probably ant Bosnia and Croatia as well, that's you ask the people living there.

Once EULEX is in, Serbia is almost one, they can't say no to EULEX, supported by 27 of 27 EU members

On 24 November 2008 12:29, Another Canadian Serb wrote:

"Hopefully, the will of 8 million Serbs will exceed the desire of 1.5 million Albanians (snip)"

Hopefully, the will of +200 million Europeans will exceed the desire of 8 million Serbs.

Or should I say: Hopefully, the will of +300 million US citizens will exceed the desire of X million Canadians to stay independent.
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“Still, it is clear to everyone that there is no solution without Serbia"

Mr.Ivanovic make sure that serbia signs that energy deal today with Putin. Russia keeps you in the game. Stop flattering yourself.Give the Russians whatever they are asking for or they might change their mind about that veto that they have handed you.

"When it comes to world representation, 6.5 billion people are on Serbia's side compared to a few million in opposition."

1. The 6.5 billion (which I doubt) does not know nor care who are Serbs and where this spot on the map is, let alone supporting this dot on the map

2. The EU has not 200 but 492.8 million citizens, following the 2007 accessions of Romania and Bulgaria

3. Like it or not, Serbia is located in Europe, which will sooner or later bind them to behave as such instead of some ex Soviet republic...

The Russian stockmarket fell 20% in one day a few weeks ago and Russia had to close down its stockmarket for a week in order to establish a balance of orders. India and China faired even worse. Are these the kind of countries Serbia wants to depend on!!!
(Michael John, 25 November 2008 16:40)

Are you kidding. USA stock market fell 50% since september and gdp is shrinking. Germany is gasping for the air. And lets not talk about democracy when money talk. Overall person is person, no matter what religion or nation he/she is, so if we gonna count votes for or against, then tip is swinging toward Serbia big time. Even your country counts votes same way 1 for 1. not $ for $

Kind of like the nurse standing behind you with needle in hand saying "I promise you won't feel a thing"

Peggy wrote:

Why would European governments matter more than the rest of the world?

Nice try.
(Peggy, 24 November 2008 23:34

The reason why, Peggy, is that the EU pays the bills for countries like Serbia, that desperately wishes to join the EU.

Why not ask China or India or perhaps a nearly bankrupt Russia. Recall, the price of oil has fallen $100 per barrel, yep, oil was as high as $147 per barrel this past summer, now it is around $50.
The Russian stockmarket fell 20% in one day a few weeks ago and Russia had to close down its stockmarket for a week in order to establish a balance of orders. India and China faired even worse. Are these the kind of countries Serbia wants to depend on!!!

ZK

If you had a clue what EU is, you would know that EU such as FIFA for instance cannot recognize countries. EU is an economic union of sovereign nations that harmonize certain policies.

The fact that Serbia wants to be part of this Club will have to oblige its leaders to change minds.

Yes, the most populous, and least democratic, the second most populous but one of the poorest, some rogue states, like Venezuela and a number of corall reef banana republics "support Serbia" but this is no glory...

What soveregnity?
Mr. Ivanovich has to wake up.
Please somebody tell this guy that Kosova is an independent country since February 17th, 2008

Ivanović said that the so-called six-point plan which the UN and Serbia have agreed on is based on respect for the UN Security Council’s Resolution 1244.

Exactly:Serbia and UN agreed on 6 point plan without Prishtina so you go ahead, and UN and implement it now without Prishtina if you can.Prishtina has got respect for UN as well,but Prishtina was disrespected by UN and Serbia by not involving Prishtina in negotiation.
Let me correct you Mr Ivanovic Serbia never had respect for UN unless it is in Serbia's interest so stop insulting our intelligence,and as far as Serb survival in Kosova i personally do not believe you,your survival i believe that.

The status of Kosovo, Ivanović continued, is not definitely solved and this is a “transitional period,” adding that the status must be debated again, while the fact that 52 countries have recognized the Kosovo Albanians' declaration "cannot be ignored".

Help me out here,what are you saying,or do you want me to tell you.Kosova did sit down and offered negotiated solution but Serbia wasn't really interested,also Kosova'r people will never give up their independence of Kosova never, never we fought hard and made big sacrifices for what we enjoy today and that's freedom.Can't put a price on freedom Kosovars know that,also appreciate their freedom.Ta

On 24 November 2008 12:29, Another Canadian Serb wrote:

"Hopefully, the will of 8 million Serbs will exceed the desire of 1.5 million Albanians (snip)"

Hopefully, the will of +200 million Europeans will exceed the desire of 8 million Serbs.

Or should I say: Hopefully, the will of +300 million US citizens will exceed the desire of X million Canadians to stay independent.
--

It is really strange to see Serbs supporting deployment of EULEX under any resolution especially when you have in mind that going to North of Mitrovica is like going back to 1990-1999. Streets are full of Serbian criminals, gangsters, terrorist that run everything there.
The way I see EULEX function in north of Kosova is;
1.Function same as UNMIK – support Serbian criminal, gangster and terrorist gangs. As a result of this is movement of Serbian population form north of Kosova to Serbia.
2.Implement in full EULEX mandate – Bring life to ordinary Serbs living there, as they are living abnormal life, starting with arrests of all Serbian mafia in north of Kosova in cooperation with Serbia.
All this I think could happen if there is a agreement at UN.

I hope and wish for a better life for ordinary Serbs living in north of Kosova.

"When it comes to world representation, 6.5 billion people are on Serbia's side compared to a few million in opposition."

1. The 6.5 billion (which I doubt) does not know nor care who are Serbs and where this spot on the map is, let alone supporting this dot on the map

2. The EU has not 200 but 492.8 million citizens, following the 2007 accessions of Romania and Bulgaria

3. Like it or not, Serbia is located in Europe, which will sooner or later bind them to behave as such instead of some ex Soviet republic...

"Hopefully, the will of 8 million Serbs will exceed the desire of 1.5 million Albanians"

They are only about 130K Serbs in Kosova, not 8 million, only 130k would be normal citizens vs a ruling class. If you asked those 8 million they would probably ant Bosnia and Croatia as well, that's you ask the people living there.

Once EULEX is in, Serbia is almost one, they can't say no to EULEX, supported by 27 of 27 EU members

“Still, it is clear to everyone that there is no solution without Serbia"

Mr.Ivanovic make sure that serbia signs that energy deal today with Putin. Russia keeps you in the game. Stop flattering yourself.Give the Russians whatever they are asking for or they might change their mind about that veto that they have handed you.

The protection of Serbia's sovereignty is the prime directive, ignoring the Ahtisaari plan is the second.
Hopefully, the will of 8 million Serbs will exceed the desire of 1.5 million Albanians, attempting to break away Serbia's province of Kosovo.

Streets are full of Serbian criminals, gangsters, terrorist that run everything there.
(Olf, 24 November 2008 13:00)

I suppose all the people living throughout the rest of Kosovo are all angels and would never commit a crime...Wake up Olf! I've lived and worked there and been the victim of numerous thefts, especially in downtown Pristina. Funny though I don't remember seeing and speaking to many Serbs there.

Kosovo is not a Sovereign nor an independent country- end of discussion...

Dear Albanian Poster,
you will see in my post that i had stated, Kosovo being a province of Serbia. Those 8 millions Serbs own the province of Kosovo and have full rights to all Kosovo has to offer.

ZK

If you had a clue what EU is, you would know that EU such as FIFA for instance cannot recognize countries. EU is an economic union of sovereign nations that harmonize certain policies.

The fact that Serbia wants to be part of this Club will have to oblige its leaders to change minds.

Yes, the most populous, and least democratic, the second most populous but one of the poorest, some rogue states, like Venezuela and a number of corall reef banana republics "support Serbia" but this is no glory...

Peggy wrote:

Why would European governments matter more than the rest of the world?

Nice try.
(Peggy, 24 November 2008 23:34

The reason why, Peggy, is that the EU pays the bills for countries like Serbia, that desperately wishes to join the EU.

Why not ask China or India or perhaps a nearly bankrupt Russia. Recall, the price of oil has fallen $100 per barrel, yep, oil was as high as $147 per barrel this past summer, now it is around $50.
The Russian stockmarket fell 20% in one day a few weeks ago and Russia had to close down its stockmarket for a week in order to establish a balance of orders. India and China faired even worse. Are these the kind of countries Serbia wants to depend on!!!

Kind of like the nurse standing behind you with needle in hand saying "I promise you won't feel a thing"

Hopefully, the will of +200 million Europeans will exceed the desire of 8 million Serbs.
(Jan Andersen, DK, 24 November 2008 18:17)
--
When it comes to world representation, 6.5 billion people are on Serbia's side compared to a few million in opposition.

It really is a good thing the overwhelming majority of this world support international law and Serbia's integrity.

Fortunately, the balance of world power is shifting closer to Serbia's supporters. Slowly but surely with more than half of the G20 members on our side.

Jan of Denmark,
What does Denmark's 5.5 million population have to do with Serbia's province of Kosovo.
Are you comparing Canada's population of 33 million to that of Denmark's meager 5.5 million. Jan, are you trying to relay to the B92 readers, that Canada is insignificant to that of the USA. Do you know who the USA's biggest client and trading partner is.
I am never able to comprehend your posts, as they are always a riddle.

If Oliver Ivanovic is in favor the 6-point plan/compromise, that's proof enough that Belgrade is not pulling the strings, nor forcing the hand, of K-Serbs. Ivanovic is no nationalist, nor is he interested in taking direct orders from BG. He's the most moderate K-Serb official out there, and if even he wants nothing to do with Thaci's Pristina-based institutions, it's plain enough K-Serbs want no involvement either.

Jan of Denmark,

Are you seriously trying to say that European citizens are all on Albanian side? That is wishful thinking and plus more.
How arrogant are you to presume that you can speak for all of Europe? I know that some governments have recognized Kosovo, but this may not the will of their people.

I can also say that billions more are on Serbian side by including the citizens of all the countries which have not recognized Kosovo but that would be speaking for others.

Why would European governments matter more than the rest of the world?

Nice try.

It´s like when my country "voted" (was forced and threathened into €U with a 51/50 margin), they said it´s going to "protect our sovereignty".

Now we have no say whatsoever about laws being implemented and imposed upon us and they are turning it into a neo-liberal war mongering monster complete with a president and FBI.

What is good for Kosovo is that the Serbs be ready to protect themselves their land and their churches, no one is going to do that for them and they knoe it, just like they knew it in the past.

I love mr. Ivanovic he's a serious guy and I think he should be the minister for Kosovo.
He is mostly wright in his estimations so perhaps there will be the next round status negotiation sooner or later.

Hruz, argue your point with Jan as she's the one throwing around numbers like they mean something. I am only responding with a similar argument, just to demonstrate Serbia is very well supported. Whatever the population of the US or EU, China has far more people than both and is a strong supporter of Serbia. India also supports Serbia and those countries with Russia represent half the world's population, which will dwarf anything anyone can throw at us.

The EU does not recognise Kosovo and neither does it expect Serbia to. That has already been made clear although it seems that the Albanians are losing favour with them lately. Wonder why?

The Russian stockmarket fell 20% in one day a few weeks ago and Russia had to close down its stockmarket for a week in order to establish a balance of orders. India and China faired even worse. Are these the kind of countries Serbia wants to depend on!!!
(Michael John, 25 November 2008 16:40)

Are you kidding. USA stock market fell 50% since september and gdp is shrinking. Germany is gasping for the air. And lets not talk about democracy when money talk. Overall person is person, no matter what religion or nation he/she is, so if we gonna count votes for or against, then tip is swinging toward Serbia big time. Even your country counts votes same way 1 for 1. not $ for $