we are not talking about bosnia, don't drag bosnia into Kosovo business. when you run out of things to say you bring up other countries issues. Stay on the subject at hand not the Bosnia conflict in which none of you had anything to do with it.
Ron, Srebrenica was not the only place where war was brutal.
All those peacekeepers in the Medak pocket did not even attempt to save the Serbs from ethnic cleansing. Only the Canadian force made an attempt and was quickly fired upon.
What about all the ethnic cleansing of Serbs and non Albanians from Kosovo? NATO stool still and even became KLA's personal airforce there.
When Albanians talk of genocide they skillfully neglect to mention that Serbs went through that process in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. They try to blame only the Serbs for all the bad that has happened there.
War is brutal and all sides suffer. They don't have an exclusive on that. What I find appalling is the lack of sympathy for Serbian victims. They are victimized again by blaming them.
Milosevic is being brough up again and again. He serves the Albanians well. He is the convenient scapegoat for everthing that went wrong there.
It's about time they took a good look at themsevles in the mirror. The rest of the world is watching them.
"However, you can spin it which way you like, but Serbia is an actor in this Kosovo drama."
It is ONLY because of Russia's veto, that's all. EU /US will either buy Russia off (maybe do a deal over Georgia?) or isolate Serbia that needs EU and Western investments.
If the Albanians decide not to cooperate with EULEX, EU's biggest mission that was going to highlight their power goes right down the drain. Once EULEX gets it from UN, what do you really think will happen? Will they apply Serbian laws to Serbian areas? What can Serbia do?
Don't forget, Albanians in Presevo Valley just declared they will vote to join Kosova if the North is divided by EU.
Unfortunately all of us are vainfully spending our time for useless persuading each other while all our argumantations are smashed at the wall of personal interests of the opponents. So try to take it easy if only you can to.
In any case the fate of the Kosovo province will be determined not in this forum and not even on the Balkanes. World elites are now too worried to save their power and money to pay attention to the events outside the Golden Billion. Much will depend on the new balance of power to appear in 2009. I believe Russia's weight will increase and it means that Serbia's chances to put an end to the Western blackmail and pressure will also raise up.
It's a pity this Serbian government can't enjoy even half of the Russian support Nikolic could have attracted. But if the relations are not poisoned by the NIS deal Russia will bring peace and prosperity to Serbia. So let's follow the events in Lima city and pray for the Crisis to help us. In China they have two characters for the word CRISIS. One word means DIFFICULTIES and the other means A GOOD CHANCE. So let us not miss this chance to iprove our old mistakes.
As for EULEX we shall see whether they need Albanian approval to station themselves in Kosovo. What we saw with EULEX is that clever Serbian diplomacy can influence the future of Kosovo, whether one likes it or not.
Had there been clever Serb diplomacy there might have been a chance to influence the future of Kosova. However, that chance passed years ago while Serbia was under the Milosevic dictatorship.
This latest manuever on Vuk's part is for internal Serbian consumption in order to "save face" while Serbia tacitly acknowledges Kosova's Independence. After the UN SC meeting on Wednesday it will become clear, to all, who really controls all of Kosova.
Florin, would that be the same USA responsible for over a million deaths in Iraq and several hundreds of thousands in Afghanistan? All based on some lies coming from the leadership of your country, where they believe democracy should be spread by bombing sovereign states back to the stone age? Sorry to tell you, but there is no moral high ground there.
Oh and speaking of lies, now tell me when women and children have ever been mentioned as being murdered in Srebrenica? Unless you are referring to the several thousand Serbians, including women and children that were murdered in and around Srebrenica during that period. Of course, those murderers were being sheltered by the Dutch but that's not something we tend to hear about much, considering they were Serbian victims. Right?
And a question to my Albanian friends, why don't we get Montenegrins coming here day in day out repeating "Montenegro is independent"?
The simple fact being that Montenegro is an independent state and does not have to repeat something that is already accepted, much unlike "Kosova", which we all know is a fake, immoral and illegal puppet entity supported only by the occupying nations (11% of the world).
I think the Albanians are in for a bit of a shock soon. A reality check is well overdue and negotiations are the only way to a peaceful path. The ball is in your court my dear Albanians.
'One thing I can tell you is that Kosovo will never belong to Serbia again.'
I'll take that as an admission from you that your previous post was all hot air, particularly because you did not dispute one fact I made.
You see I have no need to possess Kosovo, as you appear to. I am not claiming that Serbia will have army bases in Kosovo, or that Serbia controls Kosovo. You are the one who is claiming that Kosovo Albanian leaders control the situation.
My view is that Kosovo Albanian leaders do have more power over international actors because of the majority on the ground. However, you can spin it which way you like, but Serbia is an actor in this Kosovo drama. You can pretend this is not so, but without Belgrade's approval or a true compromise Kosovo will continue having serious problems on a number of levels.
As for EULEX we shall see whether they need Albanian approval to station themselves in Kosovo. What we saw with EULEX is that clever Serbian diplomacy can influence the future of Kosovo, whether one likes it or not.
Far better for Kosovo Albanians to approach Belgrade directly and for us to hammer a deal out, rather than for us to play this game with the internationals.
That is something you should consider as a means for getting rid of the international presence in Kosovo - if that is what you now want.
Are you from Holland, the real state whose soldiers simply stood by passively, as defenseless men, women, and children were murdered at Srebrenica in cold blood? If that is the case, I would engage in some national self-reflection, rather than attempting to put down other nationalities who have experienced genocide like the Kosovo Albanians have.
Greetings from New York (USA). A real country whose soldiers, sailors, and airmen did not hesitate to protect innocent civilians in the Balkans.
You must have the wrong info. Kosovo government isn't ruling Kosovo. The UN is.
Why otherwise a Dutchman is head of Kosovo government?
Is this the case is Serbia, Germany or Belgium? Nope. You see: Kosovo is NOT an independent state.
You are ruled by UN! And the can do nothing without approaval.
And hey, do you really think that Kosovo is ever allowed to join EU if you have 55 % unemployement? With all this corruption in Kosovo? With a non-existent economy?
Please do a reality check. Kosovo is a UN protectorate. At best!
In the future, should you make any further attempts at engaging in objective history to challenge the thoughts and ideas of delusional Albanian hypernationalism - please do not hesitate.
One thing I can tell you is that Kosovo will never belong to Serbia again. That is a fact and a must for the stability in Balkan. This EULEX-stuff is just a process and one day they will leave too. Just like Unmik is doing. After the declaration of independence 17th feb 08 Unmik had no power any more. The same thing is going to happend to Eulex when Kosovo goverment grows stronger. Even now the goverment of Kosovo controlls the territory of Kosovo.Not Unmik or Eulex. Even in the north there works serbian KPS-police who are loyal to the Kosovo authoritys.
One thing is for sure, is that there will never be any serbian police or army-bases in Kosovo in this lifetime. Serbian sovreghnity over Kosovo is dead and there is no need for this diplomatic struggle from serbia. The territory of Kosovo is populated 95 percent by albanians who all of them is anti-Serbia because of the serbian aggression on Kosovo citizens in 98-99. Serbia have no moral trying to occupy Kosovo again after what serbs did in Kosovo. There was no war in Kosovo. Only serbian military agains the citizens of Kosovo. The struggle of that time made Kosovo independent from Serbia and there is no turning back. The only way Kosovo could be serbian territory again is if there were 99 percent serbs living there. There is no other way.
You see Unmik or Eulex cannot survive in Kosovo without consulting the goverment of Kosovo and the population there. Eulex can deploy only if the goverment of Kosovo agrees on it. In other words no six-point love letter is valid. Eulex cannot be deployed standing on those 6 points because it will not be accepted. Maybee Eulex will stand status-neutral but the serbs will never rule the north in the future. As you can see Eulex is being depolyed on the albanians terms. So wrelly who makes the shots ? Serbia `?
Not a day goes by when all the Albanians rush to this "Serbian" news site to declare Kosovo is independent and no one can tell them what to do. Reality check here folks. Kosovo is not fully recognized as independent and the matter is pending before the International Court of Justice. UN peacekeeping forces are in Kosovo and EULEX is but another force to take it's place. No one is letting Kosovo run itself because you can't. And every time you rattle your saber you dig yourself into a deeper hole. So keep it up Thaci thugs, you are just showing the world that you are exactly what Serbia has been saying you are all along. You want to clean up an area, go back to Albania and fight the government corruption there.
Demi your post is just unbelievable, but I will keep it short.
First the constitution - who wrote it?
Second who is supervising the police and judges?
Third who created the country recognised by a minority of states in the world?
Fourth who then calls the shots in Kosovo?
Fifth the Serbs in Kosovo are more afraid of Albanian attack than of the Serbian secret service, as you call them.
Sixth The Kosovo Albanian authorities do not move on the north because they do not have permission from the internationals and because it would cause an international incident and provoke a response from Serbia. They are not an alturistic authority, thats your fantasy.
Seventh I don't have a crystal ball, but I very much doubt that Serbs will have a better life in Kosovo than in Serbia proper. This observation is based on the current situation - lack of freedom of movement, electricity cuts, fresh water supply problems and very serious economic problems that Kosovo has had since records began.
The Serbian population in Kosovo did not go to the north of Kosovo under orders from the 'Serbian secret service'. In fact those people are all from Kosovo and they fled to the north through ethnic cleansing. It was clear to them that they could not live safely in Albanian majority areas any more. The riots a few years ago proved their point that it was not in their imagination, if any proof was needed.
Now, I can also write a wish list and pretend that life is all wonderful and a bed of roses. That does not make it true.
Oh, and the more you believe in the fantasy, the more rude the awakening and the more intense the anger / frustration when you finally realise the fantasy is not a reality.
Eulex will respect the constutuion of Kosovo. Or else they got nothing to do in Kosovo because we albanians are capable to controll our territory our self. We have judges,police and customer and we have the knowledge to controll this matters. Just look at the country we have created only in 10 years. Even the serbs are wondering how we maneged to do that in such a short time.
I hope that the six-point letter is dead because if it isn't then EULEX cannot be deployed. It's the Kosovo goverment who make the shots and both EU and Serbia should know this at this time. We ain't going to sit down and watch how our country is being destroyed by foregniers and outstanders. The only people who can say somthing about Kosovo is the people who lives in Kosovo. Even the serbs in Kosovo but they have to respect that every country got an constutuion and laws to follow.
The serbs in Mitrovica arenät afraid from albanians. neither are they afraid to live with albanians. It's the serbian secret service who tells them that if they get involved in the Kosovo instutuions they will be killed. For the sake of serbian lives the Kosovo goverment is passiv on this issue. Just wait until the Kosovo army comes into force then there will be no serbian secret service who terrorise the serbian population in Kosovo. Serbs in Kosovo will be safe and have a better life then the serbs in Serbia. It is Serbia her self who has made up this ''enclaves'' in kosovo by scaring the serbian population there. it's just like the movie 'The Village'. ''If you go out side the village you will be eaten up''
Demi your post is just unbelievable, but I will keep it short.
First the constitution - who wrote it?
Second who is supervising the police and judges?
Third who created the country recognised by a minority of states in the world?
Fourth who then calls the shots in Kosovo?
Fifth the Serbs in Kosovo are more afraid of Albanian attack than of the Serbian secret service, as you call them.
Sixth The Kosovo Albanian authorities do not move on the north because they do not have permission from the internationals and because it would cause an international incident and provoke a response from Serbia. They are not an alturistic authority, thats your fantasy.
Seventh I don't have a crystal ball, but I very much doubt that Serbs will have a better life in Kosovo than in Serbia proper. This observation is based on the current situation - lack of freedom of movement, electricity cuts, fresh water supply problems and very serious economic problems that Kosovo has had since records began.
The Serbian population in Kosovo did not go to the north of Kosovo under orders from the 'Serbian secret service'. In fact those people are all from Kosovo and they fled to the north through ethnic cleansing. It was clear to them that they could not live safely in Albanian majority areas any more. The riots a few years ago proved their point that it was not in their imagination, if any proof was needed.
Now, I can also write a wish list and pretend that life is all wonderful and a bed of roses. That does not make it true.
Oh, and the more you believe in the fantasy, the more rude the awakening and the more intense the anger / frustration when you finally realise the fantasy is not a reality.
'One thing I can tell you is that Kosovo will never belong to Serbia again.'
I'll take that as an admission from you that your previous post was all hot air, particularly because you did not dispute one fact I made.
You see I have no need to possess Kosovo, as you appear to. I am not claiming that Serbia will have army bases in Kosovo, or that Serbia controls Kosovo. You are the one who is claiming that Kosovo Albanian leaders control the situation.
My view is that Kosovo Albanian leaders do have more power over international actors because of the majority on the ground. However, you can spin it which way you like, but Serbia is an actor in this Kosovo drama. You can pretend this is not so, but without Belgrade's approval or a true compromise Kosovo will continue having serious problems on a number of levels.
As for EULEX we shall see whether they need Albanian approval to station themselves in Kosovo. What we saw with EULEX is that clever Serbian diplomacy can influence the future of Kosovo, whether one likes it or not.
Far better for Kosovo Albanians to approach Belgrade directly and for us to hammer a deal out, rather than for us to play this game with the internationals.
That is something you should consider as a means for getting rid of the international presence in Kosovo - if that is what you now want.
Eulex will respect the constutuion of Kosovo. Or else they got nothing to do in Kosovo because we albanians are capable to controll our territory our self. We have judges,police and customer and we have the knowledge to controll this matters. Just look at the country we have created only in 10 years. Even the serbs are wondering how we maneged to do that in such a short time.
I hope that the six-point letter is dead because if it isn't then EULEX cannot be deployed. It's the Kosovo goverment who make the shots and both EU and Serbia should know this at this time. We ain't going to sit down and watch how our country is being destroyed by foregniers and outstanders. The only people who can say somthing about Kosovo is the people who lives in Kosovo. Even the serbs in Kosovo but they have to respect that every country got an constutuion and laws to follow.
The serbs in Mitrovica arenät afraid from albanians. neither are they afraid to live with albanians. It's the serbian secret service who tells them that if they get involved in the Kosovo instutuions they will be killed. For the sake of serbian lives the Kosovo goverment is passiv on this issue. Just wait until the Kosovo army comes into force then there will be no serbian secret service who terrorise the serbian population in Kosovo. Serbs in Kosovo will be safe and have a better life then the serbs in Serbia. It is Serbia her self who has made up this ''enclaves'' in kosovo by scaring the serbian population there. it's just like the movie 'The Village'. ''If you go out side the village you will be eaten up''
Not a day goes by when all the Albanians rush to this "Serbian" news site to declare Kosovo is independent and no one can tell them what to do. Reality check here folks. Kosovo is not fully recognized as independent and the matter is pending before the International Court of Justice. UN peacekeeping forces are in Kosovo and EULEX is but another force to take it's place. No one is letting Kosovo run itself because you can't. And every time you rattle your saber you dig yourself into a deeper hole. So keep it up Thaci thugs, you are just showing the world that you are exactly what Serbia has been saying you are all along. You want to clean up an area, go back to Albania and fight the government corruption there.
In the future, should you make any further attempts at engaging in objective history to challenge the thoughts and ideas of delusional Albanian hypernationalism - please do not hesitate.
You must have the wrong info. Kosovo government isn't ruling Kosovo. The UN is.
Why otherwise a Dutchman is head of Kosovo government?
Is this the case is Serbia, Germany or Belgium? Nope. You see: Kosovo is NOT an independent state.
You are ruled by UN! And the can do nothing without approaval.
And hey, do you really think that Kosovo is ever allowed to join EU if you have 55 % unemployement? With all this corruption in Kosovo? With a non-existent economy?
Please do a reality check. Kosovo is a UN protectorate. At best!
Are you from Holland, the real state whose soldiers simply stood by passively, as defenseless men, women, and children were murdered at Srebrenica in cold blood? If that is the case, I would engage in some national self-reflection, rather than attempting to put down other nationalities who have experienced genocide like the Kosovo Albanians have.
Greetings from New York (USA). A real country whose soldiers, sailors, and airmen did not hesitate to protect innocent civilians in the Balkans.
One thing I can tell you is that Kosovo will never belong to Serbia again. That is a fact and a must for the stability in Balkan. This EULEX-stuff is just a process and one day they will leave too. Just like Unmik is doing. After the declaration of independence 17th feb 08 Unmik had no power any more. The same thing is going to happend to Eulex when Kosovo goverment grows stronger. Even now the goverment of Kosovo controlls the territory of Kosovo.Not Unmik or Eulex. Even in the north there works serbian KPS-police who are loyal to the Kosovo authoritys.
One thing is for sure, is that there will never be any serbian police or army-bases in Kosovo in this lifetime. Serbian sovreghnity over Kosovo is dead and there is no need for this diplomatic struggle from serbia. The territory of Kosovo is populated 95 percent by albanians who all of them is anti-Serbia because of the serbian aggression on Kosovo citizens in 98-99. Serbia have no moral trying to occupy Kosovo again after what serbs did in Kosovo. There was no war in Kosovo. Only serbian military agains the citizens of Kosovo. The struggle of that time made Kosovo independent from Serbia and there is no turning back. The only way Kosovo could be serbian territory again is if there were 99 percent serbs living there. There is no other way.
You see Unmik or Eulex cannot survive in Kosovo without consulting the goverment of Kosovo and the population there. Eulex can deploy only if the goverment of Kosovo agrees on it. In other words no six-point love letter is valid. Eulex cannot be deployed standing on those 6 points because it will not be accepted. Maybee Eulex will stand status-neutral but the serbs will never rule the north in the future. As you can see Eulex is being depolyed on the albanians terms. So wrelly who makes the shots ? Serbia `?
Ron, Srebrenica was not the only place where war was brutal.
All those peacekeepers in the Medak pocket did not even attempt to save the Serbs from ethnic cleansing. Only the Canadian force made an attempt and was quickly fired upon.
What about all the ethnic cleansing of Serbs and non Albanians from Kosovo? NATO stool still and even became KLA's personal airforce there.
When Albanians talk of genocide they skillfully neglect to mention that Serbs went through that process in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. They try to blame only the Serbs for all the bad that has happened there.
War is brutal and all sides suffer. They don't have an exclusive on that. What I find appalling is the lack of sympathy for Serbian victims. They are victimized again by blaming them.
Milosevic is being brough up again and again. He serves the Albanians well. He is the convenient scapegoat for everthing that went wrong there.
It's about time they took a good look at themsevles in the mirror. The rest of the world is watching them.
As for EULEX we shall see whether they need Albanian approval to station themselves in Kosovo. What we saw with EULEX is that clever Serbian diplomacy can influence the future of Kosovo, whether one likes it or not.
Had there been clever Serb diplomacy there might have been a chance to influence the future of Kosova. However, that chance passed years ago while Serbia was under the Milosevic dictatorship.
This latest manuever on Vuk's part is for internal Serbian consumption in order to "save face" while Serbia tacitly acknowledges Kosova's Independence. After the UN SC meeting on Wednesday it will become clear, to all, who really controls all of Kosova.
Unfortunately all of us are vainfully spending our time for useless persuading each other while all our argumantations are smashed at the wall of personal interests of the opponents. So try to take it easy if only you can to.
In any case the fate of the Kosovo province will be determined not in this forum and not even on the Balkanes. World elites are now too worried to save their power and money to pay attention to the events outside the Golden Billion. Much will depend on the new balance of power to appear in 2009. I believe Russia's weight will increase and it means that Serbia's chances to put an end to the Western blackmail and pressure will also raise up.
It's a pity this Serbian government can't enjoy even half of the Russian support Nikolic could have attracted. But if the relations are not poisoned by the NIS deal Russia will bring peace and prosperity to Serbia. So let's follow the events in Lima city and pray for the Crisis to help us. In China they have two characters for the word CRISIS. One word means DIFFICULTIES and the other means A GOOD CHANCE. So let us not miss this chance to iprove our old mistakes.
Florin, would that be the same USA responsible for over a million deaths in Iraq and several hundreds of thousands in Afghanistan? All based on some lies coming from the leadership of your country, where they believe democracy should be spread by bombing sovereign states back to the stone age? Sorry to tell you, but there is no moral high ground there.
Oh and speaking of lies, now tell me when women and children have ever been mentioned as being murdered in Srebrenica? Unless you are referring to the several thousand Serbians, including women and children that were murdered in and around Srebrenica during that period. Of course, those murderers were being sheltered by the Dutch but that's not something we tend to hear about much, considering they were Serbian victims. Right?
And a question to my Albanian friends, why don't we get Montenegrins coming here day in day out repeating "Montenegro is independent"?
The simple fact being that Montenegro is an independent state and does not have to repeat something that is already accepted, much unlike "Kosova", which we all know is a fake, immoral and illegal puppet entity supported only by the occupying nations (11% of the world).
I think the Albanians are in for a bit of a shock soon. A reality check is well overdue and negotiations are the only way to a peaceful path. The ball is in your court my dear Albanians.
we are not talking about bosnia, don't drag bosnia into Kosovo business. when you run out of things to say you bring up other countries issues. Stay on the subject at hand not the Bosnia conflict in which none of you had anything to do with it.
"However, you can spin it which way you like, but Serbia is an actor in this Kosovo drama."
It is ONLY because of Russia's veto, that's all. EU /US will either buy Russia off (maybe do a deal over Georgia?) or isolate Serbia that needs EU and Western investments.
If the Albanians decide not to cooperate with EULEX, EU's biggest mission that was going to highlight their power goes right down the drain. Once EULEX gets it from UN, what do you really think will happen? Will they apply Serbian laws to Serbian areas? What can Serbia do?
Don't forget, Albanians in Presevo Valley just declared they will vote to join Kosova if the North is divided by EU.
Eulex will respect the constutuion of Kosovo. Or else they got nothing to do in Kosovo because we albanians are capable to controll our territory our self. We have judges,police and customer and we have the knowledge to controll this matters. Just look at the country we have created only in 10 years. Even the serbs are wondering how we maneged to do that in such a short time.
I hope that the six-point letter is dead because if it isn't then EULEX cannot be deployed. It's the Kosovo goverment who make the shots and both EU and Serbia should know this at this time. We ain't going to sit down and watch how our country is being destroyed by foregniers and outstanders. The only people who can say somthing about Kosovo is the people who lives in Kosovo. Even the serbs in Kosovo but they have to respect that every country got an constutuion and laws to follow.
The serbs in Mitrovica arenät afraid from albanians. neither are they afraid to live with albanians. It's the serbian secret service who tells them that if they get involved in the Kosovo instutuions they will be killed. For the sake of serbian lives the Kosovo goverment is passiv on this issue. Just wait until the Kosovo army comes into force then there will be no serbian secret service who terrorise the serbian population in Kosovo. Serbs in Kosovo will be safe and have a better life then the serbs in Serbia. It is Serbia her self who has made up this ''enclaves'' in kosovo by scaring the serbian population there. it's just like the movie 'The Village'. ''If you go out side the village you will be eaten up''
Demi your post is just unbelievable, but I will keep it short.
First the constitution - who wrote it?
Second who is supervising the police and judges?
Third who created the country recognised by a minority of states in the world?
Fourth who then calls the shots in Kosovo?
Fifth the Serbs in Kosovo are more afraid of Albanian attack than of the Serbian secret service, as you call them.
Sixth The Kosovo Albanian authorities do not move on the north because they do not have permission from the internationals and because it would cause an international incident and provoke a response from Serbia. They are not an alturistic authority, thats your fantasy.
Seventh I don't have a crystal ball, but I very much doubt that Serbs will have a better life in Kosovo than in Serbia proper. This observation is based on the current situation - lack of freedom of movement, electricity cuts, fresh water supply problems and very serious economic problems that Kosovo has had since records began.
The Serbian population in Kosovo did not go to the north of Kosovo under orders from the 'Serbian secret service'. In fact those people are all from Kosovo and they fled to the north through ethnic cleansing. It was clear to them that they could not live safely in Albanian majority areas any more. The riots a few years ago proved their point that it was not in their imagination, if any proof was needed.
Now, I can also write a wish list and pretend that life is all wonderful and a bed of roses. That does not make it true.
Oh, and the more you believe in the fantasy, the more rude the awakening and the more intense the anger / frustration when you finally realise the fantasy is not a reality.
One thing I can tell you is that Kosovo will never belong to Serbia again. That is a fact and a must for the stability in Balkan. This EULEX-stuff is just a process and one day they will leave too. Just like Unmik is doing. After the declaration of independence 17th feb 08 Unmik had no power any more. The same thing is going to happend to Eulex when Kosovo goverment grows stronger. Even now the goverment of Kosovo controlls the territory of Kosovo.Not Unmik or Eulex. Even in the north there works serbian KPS-police who are loyal to the Kosovo authoritys.
One thing is for sure, is that there will never be any serbian police or army-bases in Kosovo in this lifetime. Serbian sovreghnity over Kosovo is dead and there is no need for this diplomatic struggle from serbia. The territory of Kosovo is populated 95 percent by albanians who all of them is anti-Serbia because of the serbian aggression on Kosovo citizens in 98-99. Serbia have no moral trying to occupy Kosovo again after what serbs did in Kosovo. There was no war in Kosovo. Only serbian military agains the citizens of Kosovo. The struggle of that time made Kosovo independent from Serbia and there is no turning back. The only way Kosovo could be serbian territory again is if there were 99 percent serbs living there. There is no other way.
You see Unmik or Eulex cannot survive in Kosovo without consulting the goverment of Kosovo and the population there. Eulex can deploy only if the goverment of Kosovo agrees on it. In other words no six-point love letter is valid. Eulex cannot be deployed standing on those 6 points because it will not be accepted. Maybee Eulex will stand status-neutral but the serbs will never rule the north in the future. As you can see Eulex is being depolyed on the albanians terms. So wrelly who makes the shots ? Serbia `?
Not a day goes by when all the Albanians rush to this "Serbian" news site to declare Kosovo is independent and no one can tell them what to do. Reality check here folks. Kosovo is not fully recognized as independent and the matter is pending before the International Court of Justice. UN peacekeeping forces are in Kosovo and EULEX is but another force to take it's place. No one is letting Kosovo run itself because you can't. And every time you rattle your saber you dig yourself into a deeper hole. So keep it up Thaci thugs, you are just showing the world that you are exactly what Serbia has been saying you are all along. You want to clean up an area, go back to Albania and fight the government corruption there.
Are you from Holland, the real state whose soldiers simply stood by passively, as defenseless men, women, and children were murdered at Srebrenica in cold blood? If that is the case, I would engage in some national self-reflection, rather than attempting to put down other nationalities who have experienced genocide like the Kosovo Albanians have.
Greetings from New York (USA). A real country whose soldiers, sailors, and airmen did not hesitate to protect innocent civilians in the Balkans.
"However, you can spin it which way you like, but Serbia is an actor in this Kosovo drama."
It is ONLY because of Russia's veto, that's all. EU /US will either buy Russia off (maybe do a deal over Georgia?) or isolate Serbia that needs EU and Western investments.
If the Albanians decide not to cooperate with EULEX, EU's biggest mission that was going to highlight their power goes right down the drain. Once EULEX gets it from UN, what do you really think will happen? Will they apply Serbian laws to Serbian areas? What can Serbia do?
Don't forget, Albanians in Presevo Valley just declared they will vote to join Kosova if the North is divided by EU.
As for EULEX we shall see whether they need Albanian approval to station themselves in Kosovo. What we saw with EULEX is that clever Serbian diplomacy can influence the future of Kosovo, whether one likes it or not.
Had there been clever Serb diplomacy there might have been a chance to influence the future of Kosova. However, that chance passed years ago while Serbia was under the Milosevic dictatorship.
This latest manuever on Vuk's part is for internal Serbian consumption in order to "save face" while Serbia tacitly acknowledges Kosova's Independence. After the UN SC meeting on Wednesday it will become clear, to all, who really controls all of Kosova.
Ron, Srebrenica was not the only place where war was brutal.
All those peacekeepers in the Medak pocket did not even attempt to save the Serbs from ethnic cleansing. Only the Canadian force made an attempt and was quickly fired upon.
What about all the ethnic cleansing of Serbs and non Albanians from Kosovo? NATO stool still and even became KLA's personal airforce there.
When Albanians talk of genocide they skillfully neglect to mention that Serbs went through that process in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. They try to blame only the Serbs for all the bad that has happened there.
War is brutal and all sides suffer. They don't have an exclusive on that. What I find appalling is the lack of sympathy for Serbian victims. They are victimized again by blaming them.
Milosevic is being brough up again and again. He serves the Albanians well. He is the convenient scapegoat for everthing that went wrong there.
It's about time they took a good look at themsevles in the mirror. The rest of the world is watching them.
Unfortunately all of us are vainfully spending our time for useless persuading each other while all our argumantations are smashed at the wall of personal interests of the opponents. So try to take it easy if only you can to.
In any case the fate of the Kosovo province will be determined not in this forum and not even on the Balkanes. World elites are now too worried to save their power and money to pay attention to the events outside the Golden Billion. Much will depend on the new balance of power to appear in 2009. I believe Russia's weight will increase and it means that Serbia's chances to put an end to the Western blackmail and pressure will also raise up.
It's a pity this Serbian government can't enjoy even half of the Russian support Nikolic could have attracted. But if the relations are not poisoned by the NIS deal Russia will bring peace and prosperity to Serbia. So let's follow the events in Lima city and pray for the Crisis to help us. In China they have two characters for the word CRISIS. One word means DIFFICULTIES and the other means A GOOD CHANCE. So let us not miss this chance to iprove our old mistakes.
You must have the wrong info. Kosovo government isn't ruling Kosovo. The UN is.
Why otherwise a Dutchman is head of Kosovo government?
Is this the case is Serbia, Germany or Belgium? Nope. You see: Kosovo is NOT an independent state.
You are ruled by UN! And the can do nothing without approaval.
And hey, do you really think that Kosovo is ever allowed to join EU if you have 55 % unemployement? With all this corruption in Kosovo? With a non-existent economy?
Please do a reality check. Kosovo is a UN protectorate. At best!
Florin, would that be the same USA responsible for over a million deaths in Iraq and several hundreds of thousands in Afghanistan? All based on some lies coming from the leadership of your country, where they believe democracy should be spread by bombing sovereign states back to the stone age? Sorry to tell you, but there is no moral high ground there.
Oh and speaking of lies, now tell me when women and children have ever been mentioned as being murdered in Srebrenica? Unless you are referring to the several thousand Serbians, including women and children that were murdered in and around Srebrenica during that period. Of course, those murderers were being sheltered by the Dutch but that's not something we tend to hear about much, considering they were Serbian victims. Right?
And a question to my Albanian friends, why don't we get Montenegrins coming here day in day out repeating "Montenegro is independent"?
The simple fact being that Montenegro is an independent state and does not have to repeat something that is already accepted, much unlike "Kosova", which we all know is a fake, immoral and illegal puppet entity supported only by the occupying nations (11% of the world).
I think the Albanians are in for a bit of a shock soon. A reality check is well overdue and negotiations are the only way to a peaceful path. The ball is in your court my dear Albanians.
'One thing I can tell you is that Kosovo will never belong to Serbia again.'
I'll take that as an admission from you that your previous post was all hot air, particularly because you did not dispute one fact I made.
You see I have no need to possess Kosovo, as you appear to. I am not claiming that Serbia will have army bases in Kosovo, or that Serbia controls Kosovo. You are the one who is claiming that Kosovo Albanian leaders control the situation.
My view is that Kosovo Albanian leaders do have more power over international actors because of the majority on the ground. However, you can spin it which way you like, but Serbia is an actor in this Kosovo drama. You can pretend this is not so, but without Belgrade's approval or a true compromise Kosovo will continue having serious problems on a number of levels.
As for EULEX we shall see whether they need Albanian approval to station themselves in Kosovo. What we saw with EULEX is that clever Serbian diplomacy can influence the future of Kosovo, whether one likes it or not.
Far better for Kosovo Albanians to approach Belgrade directly and for us to hammer a deal out, rather than for us to play this game with the internationals.
That is something you should consider as a means for getting rid of the international presence in Kosovo - if that is what you now want.
In the future, should you make any further attempts at engaging in objective history to challenge the thoughts and ideas of delusional Albanian hypernationalism - please do not hesitate.
we are not talking about bosnia, don't drag bosnia into Kosovo business. when you run out of things to say you bring up other countries issues. Stay on the subject at hand not the Bosnia conflict in which none of you had anything to do with it.
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