"EULEX ready in December"

I believe that almost all albanians in Kosovo are against this 6 point plan, and would like to thank Thaci and Sejdiu for not bowing under pressure. Hopefully they will continue rejecting the plan.

I believe this six pointplan is far far worse that formal partition of Kosovo, which Serbia has rejected.

This six point plan allows informal partition of Kosovo, legalizes Belgrades inteference in Kosovo for years to come, allows Belgrade to continualy to try to undermine & contest & mine the independence of Kosovo and directly challenges the authority of goverment of Kosovo, and allows crime and contraband to flourish on the north, etc etc. Therefore this six point plan is partition without Belgrade giving anything in return.

With formal partition, Belgrade would have to recognize Kosovo, Russia would have to drop its objections, UNSC would have to pass resolution recoginizing Kosovo independence, the Presevo valley would come into the equation, and Serbia would have to stop interfering and end its destrcutive policies towards K. albanians.

This six point plan would never work, would only raise tensions and keep the Kosovo issue as a frozen conflict for decades to come.

Kosovo goverment has already compromised with Ahtisaari plan, and if they are required to make more concession such as this plan than we should get something in return.

I admit that despite independence of Kosovo, it will take a lot of effort to solve the problems in the north, however this is certainly not the way.

"...temporary authorities in Kosovo"

"..Priština continues to obstruct the process"

B92, how much is Jeremic paying you for selling his propaganda?

Adam,

Please remember that no action is possible in Kosovo outside the framework of 1244.

Some people here have the tendency to forget that 1244 is still valid!

Ok.
Rice told Solana: US will support any decision as long as the demans and decisions of the sovereing government of Kosovo are respected, otherwise forget about 6 point.
Same thing wiht 6 point plan.

So prishtina is not obstructing, but Prishtina is defending its sovereign territory, its decision being repected by the US, the UK.

Eulex cannot come to Kosovo based on this six points made up by Serbia. I hope Eu and the world knowes this. Eulex is made up by Mr.Ahtisaari and cannot go against him. It was the Kosovar authoritys who invited Eulex from the beginning. For that Eulex have to respect the independence of Kosovo and the constutution of Kosovo.

But anyway I know that EU and US will not go against the albanians. They will reject the six-point plan and Serbia will lose a fight once more time. As usual.


But whatever happends Kosovo will still stay independent. There is nobody in the world who can change that and serbia is just fighting for nothing. Spending the tax-payers money.

nikshala I don't remember Belgrade rejecting formal partition. They said that this proposal could only be agreed upon if all others failed. It is Pristina that rejects partition.

I do agree with you though that the plan will mean partition, however, I think that some form of partition is pretty much inevitable.

Remember Pristina did not compromise with the Artishari plan. That plan was not accepted by Serbia, so it was no compromise. In order to compromise two sides must agree. A solution to Kosovo will be delivered when both sides undergo serious negotiations, that has not happened yet.

I think that there are great problems in Kosovo, not just the north, this focus of yours suggesting that crime does not flourish in the south as it does in the north or 'problems of the north' sounds more like some official position than an open assesment of today's Kosovo.

And who said negotiations were over...???

So here we have the UN Secretary Genrals 6 point plan formulated with EU official inolvement being undermined by US and UK but what do they offer as a solution - talks on negotiating a deal - looks like they don't want EULEX either - so much for a coordinated plan - more like disorganised self made trap!

Oh what a tangled web we weave when US(and poodle uk) illegally proceed...

In the meantime Serbia continues to deepen its institutions throughout its UN recognised soverign province EULEX or not, irrespective of Thaci and Sediju's views!

Maybe now many are starting to comprehend the State they are in...

...Priština continues to obstruct the process... B92! you are on the right way to be a professional regional media. As Serbian company, it is your right to defend and take the side of the Serbian opinion. But I would like to see you more neutral. If you talk about obstruction of the process for that you can´t blame Kosovo-Albanians. Since 17.Feburary 2008 the real obstruction came from Belgrade and Serbs in Kosovo. The government in Pristina is obstructing only the Serbian/Russian proposal.

if the US and EU combined is really strong, this issue has not dragged for so long. this means UN is still the main power. and that is why the 6 points will prevail. GONE ARE THE COWBOY DAYS MY FRIENDS. NOW IS TIME FOR CHANGE.

Thank you Dardania for those quotes, they are spoken like true dictators.

To my Albanian friends, stand firm and do not allow the EU mission into Kosovo. They intend to formally partition the province and that should never be acceptable.

Thaci: UN Plan 'Dead'
- US: No More Debate on UN Kosovo Plan: "I don’t think the debate on the six-point plan will be reopened, I think it’s time to stop negotiations with Belgrade, they’re done,” Fried said in an interview with Tirana’s TV Klan.

“It is time to move ahead and for (the European Union’s new law-and-order mission) EULEX to deploy across the whole of Kosovo,”
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/14974/

Solana will be slapped silly by Rice for not listening to the Albanians. Kosova is a US priority, you see the visits, Rice getting involved.

nikshala,

Good to see you again here. I do believe that the 6-point plan is the beginning of the long-needed compromises in Kosovo. You're right in saying this is not "formal" partition, as no one's going to support it, Tadic doesn't want it, and neither does Pristina.

But you have to admit that administrative lines are now being drawn where legitimate authority is present. In other words, you can't argue the fact that Thaci's words ring just as hollow on the streets of northern Mitrovica as Tadic's does on the streets of Pristina. And you can't really argue that the Serb enclaves were ever under the control of Pristina, nor will they acquiesce anytime soon.

Putting it another way, EULEX is coming to Kosovo one way or another, and will be present in all Albanian sectors. That's not going to change. The Serb sectors, whether they or Belgrade say so, reject it - at least in the north (I can't see the smaller enclaves in central and southern Kosovo avoiding cooperation - 400 families in Orahovac is a neighborhood, not, an oblast).

It's taking what's on the ground and moving forward rather than waiting and waiting for everyone to get on the bus. I'd say the compromise is both fair and realistic. Administrative partition keeps Kosovo whole, but divides up political responsibilities. As long as the EU controls the shots, and as long as its under UN authority, it looks like both Serbs and Albanians will have to make a lot more concessions.

"So prishtina is not obstructing, but Prishtina is defending its sovereign territory, its decision being repected by the US, the UK."
(Montenigrin, 21 November 2008 10:45)

But Serbia's territorial integrity is recognized by the UN. And by 1244.

So UN can work only within the framework of 1244.

You refer to UK and US. But can they do what they want in Kosovo? Outside the UN?

Can Russia do what it wants in South Ossetia? Outside the UN?

According to latest polls, since Kosova declared it's independence things were moving way better and faster but because of Serbia's involment with EULEX the situation is going back to where it was few years ago.

Looks like everyone knows who is causing troubles in the region.

Serbia was told not to destabilize the region but they're doing just that.

No matter what kind of pressure is being or will be used against Prishtina, people in Kosova will never accept the 6 point plan.

For Serbia this is kind of keep the ball rolling thing while for Kosovars it's one step behind instead forward.

When UN respects the independence and the constitution of Kosova that's when we can expect some talks with UN on behalf of EULEX pointing out that 53 countries have already recognized it.

Partition is not an option because it'll open the doors for other regions in the Ballkans.

If B92 thinks that EULEX is ready for December then I'd suggest to give it more time because the goverment of Kosova did not and will not accept this 6 ponit plan.

I'm expecting that maybe tomorow B92 is going to say that EULEX has been deployed already.

Ban’s six-point plan, nor the four-point plan of the temporary authorities in Kosovo.
~~~~~~~~
They are not temporary, they were chosen by the people of the Republic of Kosovo, who make up 95% of the population. They are there for good, until next elections

Everyone needs to wake up now because Albanians wont bow down to anyone. Albanians remember what it was like to live as second citizens when Milosevic was in power. Hell will break all over Kosovo if the EU back-stabs us.

This isn't some game of Chess, were dealing with a lot of people and the EU should wise up before it's too late.

The EU has no idea who its messing with. They do not want
to make 2 million Albanians angry in Kosovo, or Macedonia, Presheva, and Montenegro will descend into chaos

"Solana will be slapped silly by Rice for not listening to the Albanians. Kosova is a US priority, you see the visits, Rice getting involved.
(Dardania, 21 November 2008 15:01)"

You make it sound like Albanians are the center of the universe with that.

Ron,

Resolution 1244 is still valid but nobody respect it. Kosovo declared it's independence and are reconized by 52 states. This 52 states dosen't care about resolution 1244 and these countrys represents the most powerful countrys in the World. When we come to that time when over hundred states reconize Kosovo then resolution 1244 will not be valid anymore. When that time comes even Serbia will reconize Kosovo then the UN will not fear a Russian veto.

As you see Ron albanians are the greatest factor for stability in the Balkans. If northern Mitrovica is partioned from Kosovo then you can count on that Preshevo valley and Bujanovc will partion from Serbia. Or even worse northern Macedonia from Macedonia. If a town called mitrovica can partion from Kosovo where the serbs make 5 % of the population of Kosovo then Macedonia can be partioned where albanians make over 30 % of the population.

So Ron forget your resolution 1244 because in reality nobody cares about it. The new reality in Kosovo has made Kosovo independent from Serbia and there is no turning back. There is no way for Kosovo to be Serbian territory again and I bet Tadic&co knowes that wery well.

Let's take an impassionate look at this. EULEX was envisaged in the Ahtisaari package as a means of propping up and developing the criminal justice system in Kosovo. This will be its job when it takes over from UNMIK. Note, that the rest of UNMIK responsibilities will be exercised by the government in Prishtina.

The Albanians are exercised by the fact that the the UN-Belgrade plan appears to undermine its authority in Serb enclaves. Prishtina never had any. In the rest of Kosovo, where the writ of government applies, EULEX will do its job as envisaged in the Ahtisaari plan.

Does this sanction partition? Yes and No. Yes, in the sense that Prishtina will have no say on what goes on in the Serb enclaves. No, if Prishtina gets enough guarantees that whilst Kosovo Serbs can run their affairs, they can do this as long as Belgrade is kept out it.

The above scenarios can be achieved and most probably will. So, where does this leave the state of affairs. As far as Prishtina is concerned, nothing has changed, although they do not want to say so, - Oliver Ivanovic knows this too. In Belgrade, Tadic and Jeremic are talking up the success story because what they have agreed to is a de facto recognition of Kosovo - what Kostunica said a few days ago. So, basically, things continue as they are with the notable exception that Kosovo's institutions will be strengthened due to EULEX and the country will move forward towards its EU ambitions. What do the Serbs get? A pat on their pride and a promise that EU future is theirs for the taking. In short a truly European fudge. Both sides know this, their onlt worry is how to sell its to their people. What who said the Albanians and Serbs could not reach a compromise.

Well according to the article EULEX is coming to Kosovo wheather Pristina likes it or not. Serbia got kicked in the marbles now pristina it is your turn everyone has been stepped on by the EU. Both has taken a bite of the sh*t sandwich. EU has told the US to stay out of europeon politics.

I would have never dreamed this is how it would all come into place. There are some very smart players on the field.
You now have the Serbian side with Russia's blessing ready to shove the Ahtissari plan down the throats of the Albanians, the only clincher in a whisper "we don't use the A word" I think 2009 is going to be a very very good year for the Republic of Kosovo.

No my friend, but we can definably be a catalyst in the Balkans; Europe's backyard.

That is why the Balkan population is very sensitive to each other.

The fact of the matter is, the 6-point plan EULEX will undermine any authority in Mitrovica.

The only reason Serbs are not getting very fussy over this is because they are in Tadics mercy. They don't understand what hes doing and wont question him because there is no one better... Surely they dont want the Radicals back.

Adam, so 1244 is valid. But no one cares.

Well, maybe people will stop caring about the Ahtisaari Plan once....

That one was never accepted by UN or Serbia.

You Albanians play a very dirty role: you don't accept Serbian territorial intergrity. But you want the world to respect Kosovo's territorial integrity.

Why this double standard? Adam, can you look yourself deep in the eyes?

You don't play a fair game. You only obey the rules as long as they favour you...

"...temporary authorities in Kosovo"

"..Priština continues to obstruct the process"

B92, how much is Jeremic paying you for selling his propaganda?

Eulex cannot come to Kosovo based on this six points made up by Serbia. I hope Eu and the world knowes this. Eulex is made up by Mr.Ahtisaari and cannot go against him. It was the Kosovar authoritys who invited Eulex from the beginning. For that Eulex have to respect the independence of Kosovo and the constutution of Kosovo.

But anyway I know that EU and US will not go against the albanians. They will reject the six-point plan and Serbia will lose a fight once more time. As usual.


But whatever happends Kosovo will still stay independent. There is nobody in the world who can change that and serbia is just fighting for nothing. Spending the tax-payers money.

Ok.
Rice told Solana: US will support any decision as long as the demans and decisions of the sovereing government of Kosovo are respected, otherwise forget about 6 point.
Same thing wiht 6 point plan.

So prishtina is not obstructing, but Prishtina is defending its sovereign territory, its decision being repected by the US, the UK.

I believe that almost all albanians in Kosovo are against this 6 point plan, and would like to thank Thaci and Sejdiu for not bowing under pressure. Hopefully they will continue rejecting the plan.

I believe this six pointplan is far far worse that formal partition of Kosovo, which Serbia has rejected.

This six point plan allows informal partition of Kosovo, legalizes Belgrades inteference in Kosovo for years to come, allows Belgrade to continualy to try to undermine & contest & mine the independence of Kosovo and directly challenges the authority of goverment of Kosovo, and allows crime and contraband to flourish on the north, etc etc. Therefore this six point plan is partition without Belgrade giving anything in return.

With formal partition, Belgrade would have to recognize Kosovo, Russia would have to drop its objections, UNSC would have to pass resolution recoginizing Kosovo independence, the Presevo valley would come into the equation, and Serbia would have to stop interfering and end its destrcutive policies towards K. albanians.

This six point plan would never work, would only raise tensions and keep the Kosovo issue as a frozen conflict for decades to come.

Kosovo goverment has already compromised with Ahtisaari plan, and if they are required to make more concession such as this plan than we should get something in return.

I admit that despite independence of Kosovo, it will take a lot of effort to solve the problems in the north, however this is certainly not the way.

Thaci: UN Plan 'Dead'
- US: No More Debate on UN Kosovo Plan: "I don’t think the debate on the six-point plan will be reopened, I think it’s time to stop negotiations with Belgrade, they’re done,” Fried said in an interview with Tirana’s TV Klan.

“It is time to move ahead and for (the European Union’s new law-and-order mission) EULEX to deploy across the whole of Kosovo,”
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/14974/

Solana will be slapped silly by Rice for not listening to the Albanians. Kosova is a US priority, you see the visits, Rice getting involved.

...Priština continues to obstruct the process... B92! you are on the right way to be a professional regional media. As Serbian company, it is your right to defend and take the side of the Serbian opinion. But I would like to see you more neutral. If you talk about obstruction of the process for that you can´t blame Kosovo-Albanians. Since 17.Feburary 2008 the real obstruction came from Belgrade and Serbs in Kosovo. The government in Pristina is obstructing only the Serbian/Russian proposal.

Adam,

Please remember that no action is possible in Kosovo outside the framework of 1244.

Some people here have the tendency to forget that 1244 is still valid!

And who said negotiations were over...???

So here we have the UN Secretary Genrals 6 point plan formulated with EU official inolvement being undermined by US and UK but what do they offer as a solution - talks on negotiating a deal - looks like they don't want EULEX either - so much for a coordinated plan - more like disorganised self made trap!

Oh what a tangled web we weave when US(and poodle uk) illegally proceed...

In the meantime Serbia continues to deepen its institutions throughout its UN recognised soverign province EULEX or not, irrespective of Thaci and Sediju's views!

Maybe now many are starting to comprehend the State they are in...

nikshala I don't remember Belgrade rejecting formal partition. They said that this proposal could only be agreed upon if all others failed. It is Pristina that rejects partition.

I do agree with you though that the plan will mean partition, however, I think that some form of partition is pretty much inevitable.

Remember Pristina did not compromise with the Artishari plan. That plan was not accepted by Serbia, so it was no compromise. In order to compromise two sides must agree. A solution to Kosovo will be delivered when both sides undergo serious negotiations, that has not happened yet.

I think that there are great problems in Kosovo, not just the north, this focus of yours suggesting that crime does not flourish in the south as it does in the north or 'problems of the north' sounds more like some official position than an open assesment of today's Kosovo.

Thank you Dardania for those quotes, they are spoken like true dictators.

To my Albanian friends, stand firm and do not allow the EU mission into Kosovo. They intend to formally partition the province and that should never be acceptable.

if the US and EU combined is really strong, this issue has not dragged for so long. this means UN is still the main power. and that is why the 6 points will prevail. GONE ARE THE COWBOY DAYS MY FRIENDS. NOW IS TIME FOR CHANGE.

"So prishtina is not obstructing, but Prishtina is defending its sovereign territory, its decision being repected by the US, the UK."
(Montenigrin, 21 November 2008 10:45)

But Serbia's territorial integrity is recognized by the UN. And by 1244.

So UN can work only within the framework of 1244.

You refer to UK and US. But can they do what they want in Kosovo? Outside the UN?

Can Russia do what it wants in South Ossetia? Outside the UN?

Well according to the article EULEX is coming to Kosovo wheather Pristina likes it or not. Serbia got kicked in the marbles now pristina it is your turn everyone has been stepped on by the EU. Both has taken a bite of the sh*t sandwich. EU has told the US to stay out of europeon politics.

"Solana will be slapped silly by Rice for not listening to the Albanians. Kosova is a US priority, you see the visits, Rice getting involved.
(Dardania, 21 November 2008 15:01)"

You make it sound like Albanians are the center of the universe with that.

Ron,

Resolution 1244 is still valid but nobody respect it. Kosovo declared it's independence and are reconized by 52 states. This 52 states dosen't care about resolution 1244 and these countrys represents the most powerful countrys in the World. When we come to that time when over hundred states reconize Kosovo then resolution 1244 will not be valid anymore. When that time comes even Serbia will reconize Kosovo then the UN will not fear a Russian veto.

As you see Ron albanians are the greatest factor for stability in the Balkans. If northern Mitrovica is partioned from Kosovo then you can count on that Preshevo valley and Bujanovc will partion from Serbia. Or even worse northern Macedonia from Macedonia. If a town called mitrovica can partion from Kosovo where the serbs make 5 % of the population of Kosovo then Macedonia can be partioned where albanians make over 30 % of the population.

So Ron forget your resolution 1244 because in reality nobody cares about it. The new reality in Kosovo has made Kosovo independent from Serbia and there is no turning back. There is no way for Kosovo to be Serbian territory again and I bet Tadic&co knowes that wery well.

Ban’s six-point plan, nor the four-point plan of the temporary authorities in Kosovo.
~~~~~~~~
They are not temporary, they were chosen by the people of the Republic of Kosovo, who make up 95% of the population. They are there for good, until next elections

Everyone needs to wake up now because Albanians wont bow down to anyone. Albanians remember what it was like to live as second citizens when Milosevic was in power. Hell will break all over Kosovo if the EU back-stabs us.

This isn't some game of Chess, were dealing with a lot of people and the EU should wise up before it's too late.

The EU has no idea who its messing with. They do not want
to make 2 million Albanians angry in Kosovo, or Macedonia, Presheva, and Montenegro will descend into chaos

nikshala,

Good to see you again here. I do believe that the 6-point plan is the beginning of the long-needed compromises in Kosovo. You're right in saying this is not "formal" partition, as no one's going to support it, Tadic doesn't want it, and neither does Pristina.

But you have to admit that administrative lines are now being drawn where legitimate authority is present. In other words, you can't argue the fact that Thaci's words ring just as hollow on the streets of northern Mitrovica as Tadic's does on the streets of Pristina. And you can't really argue that the Serb enclaves were ever under the control of Pristina, nor will they acquiesce anytime soon.

Putting it another way, EULEX is coming to Kosovo one way or another, and will be present in all Albanian sectors. That's not going to change. The Serb sectors, whether they or Belgrade say so, reject it - at least in the north (I can't see the smaller enclaves in central and southern Kosovo avoiding cooperation - 400 families in Orahovac is a neighborhood, not, an oblast).

It's taking what's on the ground and moving forward rather than waiting and waiting for everyone to get on the bus. I'd say the compromise is both fair and realistic. Administrative partition keeps Kosovo whole, but divides up political responsibilities. As long as the EU controls the shots, and as long as its under UN authority, it looks like both Serbs and Albanians will have to make a lot more concessions.

Adam, so 1244 is valid. But no one cares.

Well, maybe people will stop caring about the Ahtisaari Plan once....

That one was never accepted by UN or Serbia.

You Albanians play a very dirty role: you don't accept Serbian territorial intergrity. But you want the world to respect Kosovo's territorial integrity.

Why this double standard? Adam, can you look yourself deep in the eyes?

You don't play a fair game. You only obey the rules as long as they favour you...

According to latest polls, since Kosova declared it's independence things were moving way better and faster but because of Serbia's involment with EULEX the situation is going back to where it was few years ago.

Looks like everyone knows who is causing troubles in the region.

Serbia was told not to destabilize the region but they're doing just that.

No matter what kind of pressure is being or will be used against Prishtina, people in Kosova will never accept the 6 point plan.

For Serbia this is kind of keep the ball rolling thing while for Kosovars it's one step behind instead forward.

When UN respects the independence and the constitution of Kosova that's when we can expect some talks with UN on behalf of EULEX pointing out that 53 countries have already recognized it.

Partition is not an option because it'll open the doors for other regions in the Ballkans.

If B92 thinks that EULEX is ready for December then I'd suggest to give it more time because the goverment of Kosova did not and will not accept this 6 ponit plan.

I'm expecting that maybe tomorow B92 is going to say that EULEX has been deployed already.

Let's take an impassionate look at this. EULEX was envisaged in the Ahtisaari package as a means of propping up and developing the criminal justice system in Kosovo. This will be its job when it takes over from UNMIK. Note, that the rest of UNMIK responsibilities will be exercised by the government in Prishtina.

The Albanians are exercised by the fact that the the UN-Belgrade plan appears to undermine its authority in Serb enclaves. Prishtina never had any. In the rest of Kosovo, where the writ of government applies, EULEX will do its job as envisaged in the Ahtisaari plan.

Does this sanction partition? Yes and No. Yes, in the sense that Prishtina will have no say on what goes on in the Serb enclaves. No, if Prishtina gets enough guarantees that whilst Kosovo Serbs can run their affairs, they can do this as long as Belgrade is kept out it.

The above scenarios can be achieved and most probably will. So, where does this leave the state of affairs. As far as Prishtina is concerned, nothing has changed, although they do not want to say so, - Oliver Ivanovic knows this too. In Belgrade, Tadic and Jeremic are talking up the success story because what they have agreed to is a de facto recognition of Kosovo - what Kostunica said a few days ago. So, basically, things continue as they are with the notable exception that Kosovo's institutions will be strengthened due to EULEX and the country will move forward towards its EU ambitions. What do the Serbs get? A pat on their pride and a promise that EU future is theirs for the taking. In short a truly European fudge. Both sides know this, their onlt worry is how to sell its to their people. What who said the Albanians and Serbs could not reach a compromise.

No my friend, but we can definably be a catalyst in the Balkans; Europe's backyard.

That is why the Balkan population is very sensitive to each other.

The fact of the matter is, the 6-point plan EULEX will undermine any authority in Mitrovica.

The only reason Serbs are not getting very fussy over this is because they are in Tadics mercy. They don't understand what hes doing and wont question him because there is no one better... Surely they dont want the Radicals back.

I would have never dreamed this is how it would all come into place. There are some very smart players on the field.
You now have the Serbian side with Russia's blessing ready to shove the Ahtissari plan down the throats of the Albanians, the only clincher in a whisper "we don't use the A word" I think 2009 is going to be a very very good year for the Republic of Kosovo.