"Greece won't recognize Kosovo"

Thank you Greece for not recognizing. Despite this disastrous yellow government in Serbia, lead by the pathetic and toothless Tadic, Solana's boy, who is doing everything that bankrupt Washington and Brussels are asking him, Greece has maintained their stance.
Even after FYROM regognized Kosovo, Tadic is now allowing their ambassador to come back to Belgrade, and is still recognizing FYROM by the name 'Macedonia', which the Greeks have every right to be unhappy about. It is almost as if Tadic is rewarding FYROM for their recognition of the fake, illegal, and immoral 'state' of Kosovo. Tadic is doing his best to push Greece into recognizing Kosovo, while pretending to be a patriot. Pathetic.
I hope that Greeks realize that the Serbian people are with you, and we know that Macedonia is Greek. Your principled stand on Kosovo is appreciated, despite our government. Hopefully, the yellows will be out of government soon!!
Cheers!

@9

Have you seen any Kosovo passport stamped by the Greek authorities?Greece only accepts a kosovo travel document which every passenger must have.

The Albanians are trying to drive a wedge between Greeks & Serbs by spreading misinformation. Greece will not recognise Kosovo until there is a negotiated settlement between Serbs and Albanians.

@Albo_Canada

Keep dreaming about a Greek recognition.As you may know there is an elected parliament in Greece which totally opposes the illegal UDI of Kosovo and any goverment decision has to be ratified by parliament.
Can you see Dora risking her political life to satisfy the Albanians? I don't think so.

"Speaking to Albanian media , Greek Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis says Athens will soon recognise Kosovo's independence because it has to accept the reality of the situation, although stop short of naming a date for this decision. "

Seeing this comment, i really couldnt resist answering...The Ambassador said that the words of Bakogianni were misinterpreted so i come back to this comment above....She spoke to Albo media right? In which language was this? In Greek, in English, in German? From what i understand no albo media does actually understand what officials are saying to them.....Greece will not recognise Kosovo. Greece and Cyprus are one in issues like these....Greece does not take any pressure anymore by the Americans, and from what it seems EU really doesnt care anymore about Kosovo. No so called Kosovo passport has been stamped by Greek authorities and as a matter of fact Albos do not have an easy pass coming to Greece after the illegal immigration and crimes they committed in my country during the 90's. This government of Karamanlis is falling, and the next one which will probably be a PASOK and a centre left party Sinaspismos coalition are even more hardcore in terms of protecting sovereingty of nations and borders. So please do not even think that Greece will EVER recognise Kosovo as an independent state, unless u albos know more that we Greeks do, because from what i see here....it seems you know everything about everyone. ONLY if there is an agreement between u and Serbs then Greece will proceed in any form of recognition. Thats a no....so please dont expect anything from us. Finally as i have said in previous comments....u will never be able to enter EU as u r probably the most criminal area in the world....why the heck u accept this broader autonomy and join EU with the Serbs??? so all of us can rest once and for all!

Earlier today "Glasgow Branch" wrote:

19 November 2008
Greece 'Accepts Kosovo Reality

Speaking to Albanian media , Greek Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis says Athens will soon recognise Kosovo's independence because it has to accept the reality of the situation, although stop short of naming a date for this decision.

Bakoyannis added that Greece has good relations with Kosovo and we have opened an office there, and deal with affairs between people,” she said.
(Glasgow Branch, 19 November 2008 13:29)

So far the majority of people recommended this posting. It is nice to know that the Albanians have such "well-informed" pseudo journalists misinforming the more serious visitors to this site. Either check your sources more carefully or just stop posting complete nonsense or just plain lies here. I do not want to blame B92 for being not critical enough checking certain comments. On the other hand, the numerous lies of mainly Albanian origin have severely undermined their credibility for a long time. But they are responsible for posting things on a site that is obviously too much for them to handle.

i can totally see the point of albanian media bluffing and trying to seperate greece and serbia. personally i hope that greece will not recognize kosovo.
i think that this is a "test" to check how reliable the connection between greece and serbia is. isn't this funny that just some days after the meeting karamanlis and his serbian counterpart had, things like this are being printed in albanian media??? why??? if there was any recognistion in preparation, wouldn't karamanlis & co. discussed this???
on the other hand, the greek nation will never accept a state called kosovo, stolen by the eu from serbia, our closest partner that we have been through so much together for centuries, our brother nation. and keeping in mind that elections might happen soon in greece, there is NO greek government to commit suicide for kosovo. what do you guys think would happen??? no progress in the fyrom case... recognition of kosovo... bad economy... rising prices... extremly good base to win election...
stay calm, no recognition is coming, at least as long as serbia says not "ok, do it".

that's my point of view.

Greece will recognize soon, because Greek President Papoulias met with Slovakian counter part and agreed that they will recognize together in the name of EU

Apparently Albanians will believe only what they want to hear and will jump at any table scrappings as a full course meal. But to basically repeat what I wrote in another thread:

"As for the possible recognition of Kosovo by Greece, let them recognize. It does nothing to change the situation in Kosovo now, and if any Albanian actually thinks that by Greece recognizing it supports Thaci, they're clearly delusional. There's a major difference between recognizing that there's an 800 pound gorilla in the room and actually being OK with it. In fact, 10 more countries could "recognize" Kosovo before the end of the month if they like - it still won't solve the impending partition of the region, nor will it mean that any of these countries, with the exception of Albania, actually cares about the internal dynamics of Kosovo. The entire world recognizes Bosnia as a country, and it's more internally divided than ever.

Acceptance of the 6-point plan is a tangible victory for Serbia. Greece recognizing Kosovo, if and when it happens, is diminishing returns at this point for Albanians."

It really doesn't matter whether the Albanian hypernationalists like it or not, recognition changed nothing inside Kosovo, which is moving from de facto to de jure partition.

I don't see how Montenegro's and Macedonia's recognition suddenly broke through the political deadlock.

But Greece has not ruled it out entirely.

Could this have something to do with their dispute with Macedonia?

We won't recognize anytime soon is not good enough.

Hmmm, where have I heard this kind of back and forthing before?

Oh yeah, I think Montenegro used to do this alot. :)

What about the quote by Ms. Dora that stated:

“Kosovo’s problem is one of the oldest problems of the Balkans. We do not recognise its independence based on the principle of territorial integrity, but on the other side we know that the flow of the river cannot change,” she said.

I guess the news media also made up river flows that can't change and all that...lol.

Anyway, thank you Greece for your imminent recognition.

We won't recognize anytime soon is not good enough.
(Peggy, 19 November 2008 21:15)
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Peggy, I agree totally. These countries seem to be waiting for some kind of deal. There are a few EU countries I believe will stand firm, Cyprus and Spain being two but not Greece.

I know the Greeks themselves are against recognition but as is so common these days, the government has no problems going against the will of the people.

That is why the Kosovo issue needs to stay within the international arena where Serbia is supported overwhelmingly. Tadic however is leading us into the EU trap where they are attempting to engineer independence away from the UN.

It will never succeed but will only complicate the matter when this occupation is reversed.

Milan, be careful of your words you use here. If you want to call someone a liar, try calling your FM Jeremic and and your President Tadic for their continuous lies towards your country. Don't get overjoyed by this statement, since Greece have always said they wont recognize Kosova any time soon, and that means they eventually will.

And, as far as Dora's statement is concerned, I heard the interview and she said, quote "Greece is not planning to recognize Kosovo any time soon." I blame the media about this misinformation, but guys, Greece will recognize Kosova's independence, mark my words!!! I remember the time when some of the posters here said Greece will never accept Kosova's passports, and they accepted them. I remember the time when some posters here said Montenegro and Macedonia will never recognize Kosova, and they did. So keep on saying this or that country wont recognize Kosova, and the result is known! Don't you see it, your predictions and the reality is the opposite?

Greets from Prishtina!

Here's what Greece meant by "soon"...we will recognise
Kosovo soon after Belgrade...ie. never.

"there is NO greek government to commit suicide for kosovo. what do you guys think would happen??? no progress in the fyrom case... recognition of kosovo... bad economy... rising prices... extremly good base to win election...
stay calm, no recognition is coming, at least as long as serbia says not "ok, do it".

that's my point of view.
(John, 20 November 2008 01:35)

if i was a greek i would think twice about this comment.. should i repeat what is said above? even serbs just told to their greek allies how bad thing are in greece. this is unbias comment from your ally serbia.

AO KS,

I agree that Jeremic and especially Tadic have been telling the Serbian people more untruths or partial truths than they should have and these will not be forgotten (there will be elections again in the future). I am not predicting anything in my comment. What surprises me the most is that apparently many Albanians that post their comments here seem to have direct hot-lines to various capitals in the world (mark my words phrases are a sign of "confidence" related to those connections). I can call anybody a liar if I want to (but at least I will have a valid reason for that) and if you read my comment carefully you might see that I actually choose my words carefully. As far a Greece is concerned I have no idea if they will recognize. Personally I think (and hope) they will not, but I could be wrong and will be disappointed if they did, but my life will go on. Europe has sold itself to the US a long time ago. A divided Europe is good for US business. Just keep praising and defending the US and its policies here and the new wave of recognitions from Arab countries will become less likely (they do not like to be associated with failed US policies that eventually hurt the image of Muslims in the Western world more).

Why will greece recognise kosovo?

Lets see
1- Right thing to do
2- EU pressure and sllovakia and spain will follow
3-Greeks now care more for their next door neighboors Albania and Macedonia. Serbia now is two countries apart
4- New reality is here. No one not even the US will be able to get kosovars to give back their indipendence. they fought once they will fight again
5-Soon Greece will ahve a sizable albanian first generation in their homes that have greek citizenship and i dont think they want to alienate their own future generation
6-No one in Europe is going to let greece over rule france, England , germany after all they support EU

"I do not know what will happen later, but I do know that we will not recognize Kosovo in the near future,"

Ding ding ding! We have a winner. Define "near future." Is it 1 month, 6 months, 1 year....?

Greece "will not recognize any time soon Kosovo, in keeping with respect of territorial integrity of states".
What a "surprise surprise"))
We know Greek teeth very well...just waiting for the right time to come and then it will be payback time...)

NEar future is like 3 months

i agree with ZK....I bet Spain and Cyprus to be the more resilient..Actually Slowakia ,Romania and Greece will bargain the yes for kosovo with other items they care more..in a period of deep crisis you will use everything in Eu tables to obtain something...

Greece will recognize Kosova but under some conditions, one of them could be Macedonia's name. Same thing I heard about Macedonia and Montenegro blah blah blah but they did. Greece will recognize Kosova because EU will pressure. Spain will follow despite their problem with Basque. All this will happen in the name of the EU according to latest news.

Our Albanian friends here must realise that time has changed. There are no ''bad Serbs'' anymore. Now the Serbs are good, democratic and peaceful and it's time to give them back ''OK, little by little'' what has been stolen from them.
After all the west has it's own problems now, nobody realy cares about Kosovo.

Greece will recognize KosovA independence, because they have to...otherwise they know we have some unresolved issues which they wouldnt like to open...

@Luigi,

Wow Luigi you simply amaze me!
I hade a break from all these B92 reader's comments.

Today, just out of curiosity I tried to read some comments and what do I find? one of your incredible no-sense comments: Do you really think Greece, or EU, or you choose whatever nation is at the market? I trade Kosovo for a bit of WHAT?
Because This is a moment of crisis, Greece or whoever says yes to Kosovo for What? Could you do us a favour and posting, I dont care whether it is pro Serbia's integrity or pro albanians refuge camps, I only wish it was something that made sense.

Greece will not support serbia for Noth mitrovica because it is against greek interests!Greece has as kosovo does ,an albanian minoritynorth Cameria,and greece will not accept a precedent of partition in kosova,because then greece will have to accept the partition of Cameria.
So,having troubles home for the sake of belgrade is not an intelligent politic.GReek FM has understand that...But i am sure,this time too serbs will help albanians,this time in greece to get their right to partition too!!

Greece will recognize soon, because Greek President Papoulias met with Slovakian counter part and agreed that they will recognize together in the name of EU

Thank you Greece for not recognizing. Despite this disastrous yellow government in Serbia, lead by the pathetic and toothless Tadic, Solana's boy, who is doing everything that bankrupt Washington and Brussels are asking him, Greece has maintained their stance.
Even after FYROM regognized Kosovo, Tadic is now allowing their ambassador to come back to Belgrade, and is still recognizing FYROM by the name 'Macedonia', which the Greeks have every right to be unhappy about. It is almost as if Tadic is rewarding FYROM for their recognition of the fake, illegal, and immoral 'state' of Kosovo. Tadic is doing his best to push Greece into recognizing Kosovo, while pretending to be a patriot. Pathetic.
I hope that Greeks realize that the Serbian people are with you, and we know that Macedonia is Greek. Your principled stand on Kosovo is appreciated, despite our government. Hopefully, the yellows will be out of government soon!!
Cheers!

Greece will recognize Kosova but under some conditions, one of them could be Macedonia's name. Same thing I heard about Macedonia and Montenegro blah blah blah but they did. Greece will recognize Kosova because EU will pressure. Spain will follow despite their problem with Basque. All this will happen in the name of the EU according to latest news.

Why will greece recognise kosovo?

Lets see
1- Right thing to do
2- EU pressure and sllovakia and spain will follow
3-Greeks now care more for their next door neighboors Albania and Macedonia. Serbia now is two countries apart
4- New reality is here. No one not even the US will be able to get kosovars to give back their indipendence. they fought once they will fight again
5-Soon Greece will ahve a sizable albanian first generation in their homes that have greek citizenship and i dont think they want to alienate their own future generation
6-No one in Europe is going to let greece over rule france, England , germany after all they support EU

Hmmm, where have I heard this kind of back and forthing before?

Oh yeah, I think Montenegro used to do this alot. :)

What about the quote by Ms. Dora that stated:

“Kosovo’s problem is one of the oldest problems of the Balkans. We do not recognise its independence based on the principle of territorial integrity, but on the other side we know that the flow of the river cannot change,” she said.

I guess the news media also made up river flows that can't change and all that...lol.

Anyway, thank you Greece for your imminent recognition.

Milan, be careful of your words you use here. If you want to call someone a liar, try calling your FM Jeremic and and your President Tadic for their continuous lies towards your country. Don't get overjoyed by this statement, since Greece have always said they wont recognize Kosova any time soon, and that means they eventually will.

And, as far as Dora's statement is concerned, I heard the interview and she said, quote "Greece is not planning to recognize Kosovo any time soon." I blame the media about this misinformation, but guys, Greece will recognize Kosova's independence, mark my words!!! I remember the time when some of the posters here said Greece will never accept Kosova's passports, and they accepted them. I remember the time when some posters here said Montenegro and Macedonia will never recognize Kosova, and they did. So keep on saying this or that country wont recognize Kosova, and the result is known! Don't you see it, your predictions and the reality is the opposite?

Greets from Prishtina!

Greece will recognize KosovA independence, because they have to...otherwise they know we have some unresolved issues which they wouldnt like to open...

"there is NO greek government to commit suicide for kosovo. what do you guys think would happen??? no progress in the fyrom case... recognition of kosovo... bad economy... rising prices... extremly good base to win election...
stay calm, no recognition is coming, at least as long as serbia says not "ok, do it".

that's my point of view.
(John, 20 November 2008 01:35)

if i was a greek i would think twice about this comment.. should i repeat what is said above? even serbs just told to their greek allies how bad thing are in greece. this is unbias comment from your ally serbia.

NEar future is like 3 months

"I do not know what will happen later, but I do know that we will not recognize Kosovo in the near future,"

Ding ding ding! We have a winner. Define "near future." Is it 1 month, 6 months, 1 year....?

Greece "will not recognize any time soon Kosovo, in keeping with respect of territorial integrity of states".
What a "surprise surprise"))
We know Greek teeth very well...just waiting for the right time to come and then it will be payback time...)

Apparently Albanians will believe only what they want to hear and will jump at any table scrappings as a full course meal. But to basically repeat what I wrote in another thread:

"As for the possible recognition of Kosovo by Greece, let them recognize. It does nothing to change the situation in Kosovo now, and if any Albanian actually thinks that by Greece recognizing it supports Thaci, they're clearly delusional. There's a major difference between recognizing that there's an 800 pound gorilla in the room and actually being OK with it. In fact, 10 more countries could "recognize" Kosovo before the end of the month if they like - it still won't solve the impending partition of the region, nor will it mean that any of these countries, with the exception of Albania, actually cares about the internal dynamics of Kosovo. The entire world recognizes Bosnia as a country, and it's more internally divided than ever.

Acceptance of the 6-point plan is a tangible victory for Serbia. Greece recognizing Kosovo, if and when it happens, is diminishing returns at this point for Albanians."

It really doesn't matter whether the Albanian hypernationalists like it or not, recognition changed nothing inside Kosovo, which is moving from de facto to de jure partition.

I don't see how Montenegro's and Macedonia's recognition suddenly broke through the political deadlock.

Earlier today "Glasgow Branch" wrote:

19 November 2008
Greece 'Accepts Kosovo Reality

Speaking to Albanian media , Greek Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis says Athens will soon recognise Kosovo's independence because it has to accept the reality of the situation, although stop short of naming a date for this decision.

Bakoyannis added that Greece has good relations with Kosovo and we have opened an office there, and deal with affairs between people,” she said.
(Glasgow Branch, 19 November 2008 13:29)

So far the majority of people recommended this posting. It is nice to know that the Albanians have such "well-informed" pseudo journalists misinforming the more serious visitors to this site. Either check your sources more carefully or just stop posting complete nonsense or just plain lies here. I do not want to blame B92 for being not critical enough checking certain comments. On the other hand, the numerous lies of mainly Albanian origin have severely undermined their credibility for a long time. But they are responsible for posting things on a site that is obviously too much for them to handle.

But Greece has not ruled it out entirely.

Could this have something to do with their dispute with Macedonia?

We won't recognize anytime soon is not good enough.

@9

Have you seen any Kosovo passport stamped by the Greek authorities?Greece only accepts a kosovo travel document which every passenger must have.

The Albanians are trying to drive a wedge between Greeks & Serbs by spreading misinformation. Greece will not recognise Kosovo until there is a negotiated settlement between Serbs and Albanians.

"Speaking to Albanian media , Greek Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis says Athens will soon recognise Kosovo's independence because it has to accept the reality of the situation, although stop short of naming a date for this decision. "

Seeing this comment, i really couldnt resist answering...The Ambassador said that the words of Bakogianni were misinterpreted so i come back to this comment above....She spoke to Albo media right? In which language was this? In Greek, in English, in German? From what i understand no albo media does actually understand what officials are saying to them.....Greece will not recognise Kosovo. Greece and Cyprus are one in issues like these....Greece does not take any pressure anymore by the Americans, and from what it seems EU really doesnt care anymore about Kosovo. No so called Kosovo passport has been stamped by Greek authorities and as a matter of fact Albos do not have an easy pass coming to Greece after the illegal immigration and crimes they committed in my country during the 90's. This government of Karamanlis is falling, and the next one which will probably be a PASOK and a centre left party Sinaspismos coalition are even more hardcore in terms of protecting sovereingty of nations and borders. So please do not even think that Greece will EVER recognise Kosovo as an independent state, unless u albos know more that we Greeks do, because from what i see here....it seems you know everything about everyone. ONLY if there is an agreement between u and Serbs then Greece will proceed in any form of recognition. Thats a no....so please dont expect anything from us. Finally as i have said in previous comments....u will never be able to enter EU as u r probably the most criminal area in the world....why the heck u accept this broader autonomy and join EU with the Serbs??? so all of us can rest once and for all!

AO KS,

I agree that Jeremic and especially Tadic have been telling the Serbian people more untruths or partial truths than they should have and these will not be forgotten (there will be elections again in the future). I am not predicting anything in my comment. What surprises me the most is that apparently many Albanians that post their comments here seem to have direct hot-lines to various capitals in the world (mark my words phrases are a sign of "confidence" related to those connections). I can call anybody a liar if I want to (but at least I will have a valid reason for that) and if you read my comment carefully you might see that I actually choose my words carefully. As far a Greece is concerned I have no idea if they will recognize. Personally I think (and hope) they will not, but I could be wrong and will be disappointed if they did, but my life will go on. Europe has sold itself to the US a long time ago. A divided Europe is good for US business. Just keep praising and defending the US and its policies here and the new wave of recognitions from Arab countries will become less likely (they do not like to be associated with failed US policies that eventually hurt the image of Muslims in the Western world more).

i agree with ZK....I bet Spain and Cyprus to be the more resilient..Actually Slowakia ,Romania and Greece will bargain the yes for kosovo with other items they care more..in a period of deep crisis you will use everything in Eu tables to obtain something...

We won't recognize anytime soon is not good enough.
(Peggy, 19 November 2008 21:15)
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Peggy, I agree totally. These countries seem to be waiting for some kind of deal. There are a few EU countries I believe will stand firm, Cyprus and Spain being two but not Greece.

I know the Greeks themselves are against recognition but as is so common these days, the government has no problems going against the will of the people.

That is why the Kosovo issue needs to stay within the international arena where Serbia is supported overwhelmingly. Tadic however is leading us into the EU trap where they are attempting to engineer independence away from the UN.

It will never succeed but will only complicate the matter when this occupation is reversed.

i can totally see the point of albanian media bluffing and trying to seperate greece and serbia. personally i hope that greece will not recognize kosovo.
i think that this is a "test" to check how reliable the connection between greece and serbia is. isn't this funny that just some days after the meeting karamanlis and his serbian counterpart had, things like this are being printed in albanian media??? why??? if there was any recognistion in preparation, wouldn't karamanlis & co. discussed this???
on the other hand, the greek nation will never accept a state called kosovo, stolen by the eu from serbia, our closest partner that we have been through so much together for centuries, our brother nation. and keeping in mind that elections might happen soon in greece, there is NO greek government to commit suicide for kosovo. what do you guys think would happen??? no progress in the fyrom case... recognition of kosovo... bad economy... rising prices... extremly good base to win election...
stay calm, no recognition is coming, at least as long as serbia says not "ok, do it".

that's my point of view.

@Albo_Canada

Keep dreaming about a Greek recognition.As you may know there is an elected parliament in Greece which totally opposes the illegal UDI of Kosovo and any goverment decision has to be ratified by parliament.
Can you see Dora risking her political life to satisfy the Albanians? I don't think so.

Here's what Greece meant by "soon"...we will recognise
Kosovo soon after Belgrade...ie. never.

Greece will not support serbia for Noth mitrovica because it is against greek interests!Greece has as kosovo does ,an albanian minoritynorth Cameria,and greece will not accept a precedent of partition in kosova,because then greece will have to accept the partition of Cameria.
So,having troubles home for the sake of belgrade is not an intelligent politic.GReek FM has understand that...But i am sure,this time too serbs will help albanians,this time in greece to get their right to partition too!!

@Luigi,

Wow Luigi you simply amaze me!
I hade a break from all these B92 reader's comments.

Today, just out of curiosity I tried to read some comments and what do I find? one of your incredible no-sense comments: Do you really think Greece, or EU, or you choose whatever nation is at the market? I trade Kosovo for a bit of WHAT?
Because This is a moment of crisis, Greece or whoever says yes to Kosovo for What? Could you do us a favour and posting, I dont care whether it is pro Serbia's integrity or pro albanians refuge camps, I only wish it was something that made sense.

Our Albanian friends here must realise that time has changed. There are no ''bad Serbs'' anymore. Now the Serbs are good, democratic and peaceful and it's time to give them back ''OK, little by little'' what has been stolen from them.
After all the west has it's own problems now, nobody realy cares about Kosovo.