Vatican “not considering recognizing Kosovo”

"...will not even discuss the issue"

well, so much for the credibility of these k-albanian yellow-papers! I have been telling you all the time, you are being duped.

but it is always easier to dream and live in illusions than to open the eyes, it seems.

well, some day the K-albanians will wake up. that´s for sure.

AMEN!! Bro. Joseph Ratzinger

And when will Serbia wake up?

The Vatican has many reasons to be cautious in its diplomatic approach to this issue.

On the one hand, there are nearly half a million Roman Catholic Albanians -- 65,000 in Kosovo; 235,000 in northern Albania; 25,000 in Montenegro and Croatia; and 100,000 in Italy -- and they make up an important part of Pope Benedict's regional constituency.

The number of Catholic Albanians roughly equals the 433,000 Roman Catholics who live in Serbia (excluding Kosovo), mainly in Vojvodina and in Belgrade.

The Pope cannot afford to alienate his Albanian followers' feelings. But at the same time he also doesn't want to create any potential difficulties for his Catholic flock who live in Vojvodina and other parts of Serbia. The Vatican has also been trying to open up ecumenical dialogue with Orthodox Christians, including the Serb Orthodox Church. Recognizing Kosovo's independence could complicate that process.

Although the majority of Albanians in Kosovo are nominally Muslims, most wear their religion lightly, if at all. And many Kosovo Albanians are under the -- entirely mistaken -- impression that the West would hasten to embrace them and their national cause. if only Albanian identity were more closely and visibly tied to Catholicism.

That is one reason why towns throughout Kosovo have renamed streets after the most famous Albanian Catholic, Mother Theresa, and have put up statues to her. And that is also why a huge new Roman Catholic cathedral is being built -- with government funding -- in the centre of Pristina. The church is of a size that is vastly out of proportion to that of the small Catholic population living in the Kosovo capital.
Like St. Sava's Temple in Belgrade, the new cathedral in Pristina is meant to serve as a state symbol as much as a house of worship.

The speculation about whether and when the Vatican (the world's smallest state) will establish diplomatic relations with Kosovo is another expression of this misplaced anxiety.

At the same time, many Serbs are equally badly mistaken, when they try to sell the story that Serbia is defending the front line of "Christian Europe" against an alleged "Islamist" menace in Kosovo. Few people outside of the Balkans take that kind of talk seriously.

The fact is: European publics and their leaders are overwhelmingly secular and they are not easily swayed by appeals to religious solidarity. All that the rest of Europe really wants from the Balkans -- from Serbs and Albanians alike -- is no more trouble. After 20 years of wars, refugees and endless economic and political crises, it does not seem unreasonable to ask for a bit of peace and quiet. We could all use more of that.

The Vatican is right not to recognize Kosovo. Roman Catholic Christians/Orthodox Christians are persecuted by the Kosovo Muslims.

Catholics and Ortodox Christians have had their differences but we have more in common than we do with islam. In the future this unity will be more inportant than most people realize.
I think many Catholic albanians support the Vatican desicion :)

Does this guy Skender Hyiseni think by making false claims that this country and that country intend to recognize Kosovo, they will then magically do so because he said so?

What in the name of God is Mike Jones talking about? (#8)

Anyway, as someone who grew up and lives in a predominantly Catholic country and also as a frequent visitor to Serbia, I really do wish that the Catholic and Orthodox churches were reconciled. The Orthodox church has retained something special that the Catholic church has lost by trying to be "modern". However, both are very beautiful and there is nothing other than human weakness that separates them.

This news destroy only one dream, in particular the propaganda of right-wings Serbs that the Vatican is an Anti-Serb organization. Well, it would be interesting now to hear those people, even when I believe that they will stay silent.
The Vatican itself regards the Kosovo not as an independent for a couple of reasons, but that would be difficult to explain here. Nevertheless, I would like to remind that the Vatican also don't recognize Beijing /Red-China, but the Republik China in Taiwan as the legitimate government. They simply have their issues.

And anybody who claims that there is a rift between Christian and Muslim Albanians is a simple liar. New Catholic churches are built, like the one in Gjakove and another one in Pristina is under construction. So far, only one Catholic church in Kosovo has been target, the one in Gjakove, but that were Serbs who used and disacrated it as a CnC for their operations. The church was been heavily damagded. But this is still nothing with the 400 destroyed and damagded Catholic churches in Croatia and Bosnia committed by so-called "Christians" from the Orthodox church.

The number of Catholic Albanians roughly equals the 433,000 Roman Catholics who live in Serbia (excluding Kosovo), mainly in Vojvodina and in Belgrade.
(Jovan R., 15 November 2008 17:48)
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Just curios Jovan, how many Catholic Albanians do you think attended this picnic?

Check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkgHkxIfgBc

The Albanian idiots who are seen demolishing the Serb Orthodox church in Podujevo, in that video posted by ZK, are motivated by nationalist hysteria, not by religious zeal (there's a lot of flag-waving, but they're not shouting religious slogans).

The Serbian idiots who, on the very same day, burned mosques in Niš and Belgrade were likewise not motivated by any excess of piety (in Belgrade, the mob ignored a bishop who tried to talk them out of torching the Bajrakli mosque), but by an overdose of nationalist hysteria and rakija --

LINK 1
http://www.geocities.com/xam3a/dzamija/dzamija_nis_gori_20040317.jpg

LINK 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bddLC4aCmM

It's Ok, the Vatican will recognize, because Catholics follow a pagan religion created after Jesus Christ. The Vatican is one of 3 city states Washington DC,London,and the Vatican. The Vatican, the biggest corporation and business on Earth, was saved by Albanians in the 1400's, its sad, they have a statue of George Kastrioti in Rome, because he saved those child molesting priests, and their religion. In Aramaic, Jesus called God, ALLAHA. Look it up, the Aramaiac word for God is ALLAH!

Thank you Vatican State!

We support you and whish "Papa" all well!

As much as I appreciate the NO coming from the Vatican, I think they should not meddle in politics. They are entitled and have the responsibility to have an opinion and teach it to their flock but I don't see how their recognition should have any impact at the UN or be able to contribute to creating new countries or not.

Is the Vatican a religious of political institution?

Like any other religious institution they are perfectly entitled to speak against anything they consider against Christian law or values but having a say in the political arena is overstepping what they are there for.

I do hope that their NO is going to be a moral guide for many politicians and that Catholic and Orthodox churches are able to forge good relations as this will start to heal some of the wounds from the past and hopefully offer a better future.

I think the article missed one important point. Due to other news Mr. Hyseni has asked some Vatican officials to recognize Kosovo. The Vatican feld urged to dement after Mr. Hyseni announced, the Vatican might recognize Kosovo.
Well, of course you don't give statements about what other countries are going to do, since they decide and speak for themselves. Anyway the Vatican is wisely trying to keep a low profile in the case of Kosovo, so its decission shouldn't be considered something symbolic. It is now in the spotlight, just because someone seems to be under pressure to announce some kind of successful activity.
...dear Serb friend, i guess Mr. Hyseni is slowly turning out to be your "best" men, those who wished him to be more active now prefere him to stay at home...

>>>>>>We support you and whish "Papa" all well!

You do? Don't Serbs believe that the Pope and Germany caused Serbia's all those problems? Why did the Serbian Church leader declined to even meet the Pope in 1994?

Who said this, "I am not interested in the Pope. To me, he is not a man of God on this earth, urging the Americans to bombard us." ?
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9406E2D81338F935A3575AC0A962958260

AMEN!! Bro. Joseph Ratzinger

And when will Serbia wake up?

"...will not even discuss the issue"

well, so much for the credibility of these k-albanian yellow-papers! I have been telling you all the time, you are being duped.

but it is always easier to dream and live in illusions than to open the eyes, it seems.

well, some day the K-albanians will wake up. that´s for sure.

It's Ok, the Vatican will recognize, because Catholics follow a pagan religion created after Jesus Christ. The Vatican is one of 3 city states Washington DC,London,and the Vatican. The Vatican, the biggest corporation and business on Earth, was saved by Albanians in the 1400's, its sad, they have a statue of George Kastrioti in Rome, because he saved those child molesting priests, and their religion. In Aramaic, Jesus called God, ALLAHA. Look it up, the Aramaiac word for God is ALLAH!

The Vatican is right not to recognize Kosovo. Roman Catholic Christians/Orthodox Christians are persecuted by the Kosovo Muslims.

The number of Catholic Albanians roughly equals the 433,000 Roman Catholics who live in Serbia (excluding Kosovo), mainly in Vojvodina and in Belgrade.
(Jovan R., 15 November 2008 17:48)
--
Just curios Jovan, how many Catholic Albanians do you think attended this picnic?

Check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkgHkxIfgBc

Does this guy Skender Hyiseni think by making false claims that this country and that country intend to recognize Kosovo, they will then magically do so because he said so?

What in the name of God is Mike Jones talking about? (#8)

Anyway, as someone who grew up and lives in a predominantly Catholic country and also as a frequent visitor to Serbia, I really do wish that the Catholic and Orthodox churches were reconciled. The Orthodox church has retained something special that the Catholic church has lost by trying to be "modern". However, both are very beautiful and there is nothing other than human weakness that separates them.

The Vatican has many reasons to be cautious in its diplomatic approach to this issue.

On the one hand, there are nearly half a million Roman Catholic Albanians -- 65,000 in Kosovo; 235,000 in northern Albania; 25,000 in Montenegro and Croatia; and 100,000 in Italy -- and they make up an important part of Pope Benedict's regional constituency.

The number of Catholic Albanians roughly equals the 433,000 Roman Catholics who live in Serbia (excluding Kosovo), mainly in Vojvodina and in Belgrade.

The Pope cannot afford to alienate his Albanian followers' feelings. But at the same time he also doesn't want to create any potential difficulties for his Catholic flock who live in Vojvodina and other parts of Serbia. The Vatican has also been trying to open up ecumenical dialogue with Orthodox Christians, including the Serb Orthodox Church. Recognizing Kosovo's independence could complicate that process.

Although the majority of Albanians in Kosovo are nominally Muslims, most wear their religion lightly, if at all. And many Kosovo Albanians are under the -- entirely mistaken -- impression that the West would hasten to embrace them and their national cause. if only Albanian identity were more closely and visibly tied to Catholicism.

That is one reason why towns throughout Kosovo have renamed streets after the most famous Albanian Catholic, Mother Theresa, and have put up statues to her. And that is also why a huge new Roman Catholic cathedral is being built -- with government funding -- in the centre of Pristina. The church is of a size that is vastly out of proportion to that of the small Catholic population living in the Kosovo capital.
Like St. Sava's Temple in Belgrade, the new cathedral in Pristina is meant to serve as a state symbol as much as a house of worship.

The speculation about whether and when the Vatican (the world's smallest state) will establish diplomatic relations with Kosovo is another expression of this misplaced anxiety.

At the same time, many Serbs are equally badly mistaken, when they try to sell the story that Serbia is defending the front line of "Christian Europe" against an alleged "Islamist" menace in Kosovo. Few people outside of the Balkans take that kind of talk seriously.

The fact is: European publics and their leaders are overwhelmingly secular and they are not easily swayed by appeals to religious solidarity. All that the rest of Europe really wants from the Balkans -- from Serbs and Albanians alike -- is no more trouble. After 20 years of wars, refugees and endless economic and political crises, it does not seem unreasonable to ask for a bit of peace and quiet. We could all use more of that.

Catholics and Ortodox Christians have had their differences but we have more in common than we do with islam. In the future this unity will be more inportant than most people realize.
I think many Catholic albanians support the Vatican desicion :)

This news destroy only one dream, in particular the propaganda of right-wings Serbs that the Vatican is an Anti-Serb organization. Well, it would be interesting now to hear those people, even when I believe that they will stay silent.
The Vatican itself regards the Kosovo not as an independent for a couple of reasons, but that would be difficult to explain here. Nevertheless, I would like to remind that the Vatican also don't recognize Beijing /Red-China, but the Republik China in Taiwan as the legitimate government. They simply have their issues.

And anybody who claims that there is a rift between Christian and Muslim Albanians is a simple liar. New Catholic churches are built, like the one in Gjakove and another one in Pristina is under construction. So far, only one Catholic church in Kosovo has been target, the one in Gjakove, but that were Serbs who used and disacrated it as a CnC for their operations. The church was been heavily damagded. But this is still nothing with the 400 destroyed and damagded Catholic churches in Croatia and Bosnia committed by so-called "Christians" from the Orthodox church.

The Albanian idiots who are seen demolishing the Serb Orthodox church in Podujevo, in that video posted by ZK, are motivated by nationalist hysteria, not by religious zeal (there's a lot of flag-waving, but they're not shouting religious slogans).

The Serbian idiots who, on the very same day, burned mosques in Niš and Belgrade were likewise not motivated by any excess of piety (in Belgrade, the mob ignored a bishop who tried to talk them out of torching the Bajrakli mosque), but by an overdose of nationalist hysteria and rakija --

LINK 1
http://www.geocities.com/xam3a/dzamija/dzamija_nis_gori_20040317.jpg

LINK 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bddLC4aCmM

Thank you Vatican State!

We support you and whish "Papa" all well!

As much as I appreciate the NO coming from the Vatican, I think they should not meddle in politics. They are entitled and have the responsibility to have an opinion and teach it to their flock but I don't see how their recognition should have any impact at the UN or be able to contribute to creating new countries or not.

Is the Vatican a religious of political institution?

Like any other religious institution they are perfectly entitled to speak against anything they consider against Christian law or values but having a say in the political arena is overstepping what they are there for.

I do hope that their NO is going to be a moral guide for many politicians and that Catholic and Orthodox churches are able to forge good relations as this will start to heal some of the wounds from the past and hopefully offer a better future.

>>>>>>We support you and whish "Papa" all well!

You do? Don't Serbs believe that the Pope and Germany caused Serbia's all those problems? Why did the Serbian Church leader declined to even meet the Pope in 1994?

Who said this, "I am not interested in the Pope. To me, he is not a man of God on this earth, urging the Americans to bombard us." ?
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9406E2D81338F935A3575AC0A962958260

I think the article missed one important point. Due to other news Mr. Hyseni has asked some Vatican officials to recognize Kosovo. The Vatican feld urged to dement after Mr. Hyseni announced, the Vatican might recognize Kosovo.
Well, of course you don't give statements about what other countries are going to do, since they decide and speak for themselves. Anyway the Vatican is wisely trying to keep a low profile in the case of Kosovo, so its decission shouldn't be considered something symbolic. It is now in the spotlight, just because someone seems to be under pressure to announce some kind of successful activity.
...dear Serb friend, i guess Mr. Hyseni is slowly turning out to be your "best" men, those who wished him to be more active now prefere him to stay at home...