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Monday, 10.11.2008.

09:30

Serbs attacked in Kosovo village

Two vehicles carrying Serbs came under attack when stones were thrown at them in the ethnic Albanian village of Suvi Do on Sunday.

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Jovan

pre 15 godina

to Ataman:

it´s generally known that the ancient illyrian lived all across the whole balkan-peninsula, and after the slavic migration to the balkans, they were assimilated by the Slavs, in todays Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia and so on.. only in the albanian mountains, the some fragments of the illyrians could "survive" since the Albanians had not that level of consolidation to assimilate the illyrians. that´s why they took over a lot of illyrian vocabulary...actually the Albanians have lost their true history, and perhaps that´s deep inside they feel it and that is the reason why they are so desperately and fanatically trying to convince everyone of their "illyrian ancestry"...

nevertheless: todays Albanians have no connection to the illyrians whatsoever. they do not like to hear it, but it is the most probable theory, and as far as I am concerned, it even makes sense.

I´ve read about the name of the Carpathian Mountains, that the name derives from the illyrian "karp" ( or something like that, I don´t remember it so well ) and that means something like rock, stone.

following the laymen-history of our dear friends, even in todays Romania the inhabitants are not Romanians but Albanians! :)

...but, as soon as you have realized that this myth serves them to feel proud about themselves, even if it is an illusion, ...you don´t pay much attention anymore...except, if someone wants to legitimize his sick dreams with that illusion.

so much for the illyrian-illusion, Ataman.

greetings,
j.

Agim

pre 15 godina

People who have lost everything (relatives, their women raped, houses burned etc) can get angry at those that caused it."

And exactly who might "those" be? What did "those" people do? When? You got some kind of proof?
--
(Jan Andersen, DK, 10 November 2008 19:20)


Jan I have just one question for you,


What planet do you live on mate.
Do you have to even ask that kind of question!

A complete insult, from someone that at least tries to come accross as Intelegent, a total insult!

Niko

pre 15 godina

but how could they, when they are constantly living in a dream world, dreaming about being illyrians?
(Jovan, 10 November 2008 22:33)
I'm glad someone does a research about the origin of Albanians. I bet you missed that part where ancient authors from Polybius to Ptolemy aknowledges the existence of Albanians some 500 to 700 years before the first Slavs step their foot in the Balkans.
And by the way, there is an explanation why Romanians and Albanians have so many things in common. In the aftermath of the Dacian Wars, the Roman Emperor Trajan repopulated the devastated area with tribes mostly of Illyrians(and Celts).
In any case, even if the origin of Albanians is from Illyrian or Thracian tribes, both of these ancient peoples are authoctonous and predecessors of Slavs in the Balkans. And that is a fact, you like it or not!

HE WHO SPEAKS THE TRUTH

pre 15 godina

"If you want news on Albanians, I'm sure there are plenty of other websites that focus on them, which you could visit.
(Milan T.O., 10 November 2008 13:30) "

I get my news from many sources including albanian sites as well.

One of the reasons for the success of the B92 so far has been its ability to remain unbiased to a certain degree, and thus the reason why this site is also visited by albanians and its an opportunity for both serbs and albanians and others, to put their views across.

If B92 is to remian a trusted site,then its only fair that the reports should also cover attacks on albanians on the north of Kosovo, so that the readers get the full picture. Otherwise B92 becomes just another serb propaganda apparatus. If albanians get attacked by serbs, than I would still classify that as a report that is of interest to serbian nationals, as you put it.
(nikshala, 10 November 2008 16:28)

You also have the right not to read any articles on B92, you chose to visit this site if you did not read any news here then don't visit the site. You have Kosova Press (you have to pay to read full the article), RTK live and other outlets. I choose B92 because the news is free and i don't have to pay. You have a choose, pay for Kosova Press or read the news for free on B92 your choice. Again no one forces you to visit this site. Just like i don't watch Fox News because they are Right Wing Conservatives and i choose not to visit there site nor watch there news unless it is the only thing on TV. In closing if B92 only wants to print pro serbian or news pertaining to serbia then it is there right freedom of press.

cees

pre 15 godina

this article is a clear example of bad journalism and apllying information. The header by itself is formulated in a way, that it only can set aflame already existing aggressions against the Albanian people. Even the "by the way" passing mention of an equal happening from the side of the Serbs against Albanians doesn't annul the discrimination of the header. This is very dangerous journalism, which still is common in the Serbian Press. It borders "hatespeech" and is in most of the democratic states forbidden

Ataman

pre 15 godina

but how could they, when they are constantly living in a dream world, dreaming about being illyrians?
(Jovan, 10 November 2008 22:33)

No one can answer the Illyrian question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_Albanians

As for myself, I had long ago the impression of Romanians and Albanians being somehow related - see their national costume. So they could be rather Thracians or Dacians. Or maybe Illyrian version is correct.

What was called by Armenians "Aghvank"/Parthians "Ardhan" (roughly today Ossetia) is not connected directly to Shqipëria. But I admit, Russians supporting Ossetia versus Americans supporting Albania while Ossetians being same as Albanians would sound funny. Good joke, but it's just not correct.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

I am the first to condemn it if ethnic Albanians get stoned in Serbia, I do not make differences between the citizens of Serbia, no matter what ethnicity they are of.

so much for condemning violence and hatred.

but it is a sad fact, that guys like nishala and blero want to make it look like the Serbs do not accept that there were serbian crimes too, and that is complete rubbish.

of course also Serbs did horrible things.

but, those who did, were sentenced by serbian jurisdiction, while albanian criminals in the occupied part of Serbia still walk freely.

no mosque was touched, even in the hard times of Slobo, but AFTER the nato-occupiers moved in, the Albanians didn´t lose much time to destroy serbian cultural heritage, such as churches and monasteries - do you see the difference, my dear friends?

as for those "massacres", blero is phantasizing about:

show us the proof, and I will condemn it, but so far, there are only allegations, not more.

and those who are not serbian, but deny these allegations are being called "racists" or "paid by the serbian secret service"

rather poor argumentation, if you ask me.

fact is: the UN came to the conclusion that the absolute number of serb AND albanian victims before the nato-agression is somewhere about 3000.

that´s something no Albanian could proove wrong, so far.

but how could they, when they are constantly living in a dream world, dreaming about being illyrians?

lili

pre 15 godina

a few days ago Kosovo police stopped a serbian car,full of munitions and guns. A few days ago ,kosovo police arrested to serbian who curiously had sprayed their town with tags for Uck and independance and death to serbs...Strange isn't it...
Not that much indeed we are used to serbian provocation just before UN meeting or important international meeting about kosovo.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

"This looks like Milosevic trick. Friends of democratic and peaceful Kosova will not believe these lies!"

I don't doubt that some Albanian might do that, but two Serbs were arrested las week for writing ant-Serbian slogans in Serb owned houses. Stop it with the Slobodan tricks!!!!
(Albanez, 10 November 2008 16:54)

Stop with you Thaci tricks.
You always use Milosevic for every argument you have. Well, the Serbs have Thaci, Ceku, Seidiu and all those organ harvesting ghouls.

So I suggest you stop with all their tricks before you resort to Milosevic excuse again and again. Milosevic sure is serving you well, in death no less.

Ajsel

pre 15 godina

And exactly who might "those" be? What did "those" people do? When? You got some kind of proof?
--
(Jan Andersen, DK, 10 November 2008 19:20
Where exactly are you living that you dont know what happened in 1998-99 in Kosova
This is how it was living with albanians in 98. Who can live in this kind of environment? Is this normal?
(Ratko, 10 November 2008 17:57)
So Ratko if dont like it you can go were ever you think its beter for you but in 98 it was the opposite of what you are saying I know it and you know it all the world knows especally us that went through the war.
There will be no development in Kosovo, regardless of status, without some acceptance of reality and anger at the behaviour of violent thugs. Kate dont be to sure to speak about something you are not familiar I have one question for have you ever been to Kosova or are you just writing what you read and know from Serbian propaganda?

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 15 godina

On 10 November 2008 18:22, Albanez wrote:

"People who have lost everything (relatives, their women raped, houses burned etc) can get angry at those that caused it."

And exactly who might "those" be? What did "those" people do? When? You got some kind of proof?
--

Albanez

pre 15 godina

"normally when Serbians are surrounded by Albanians, they tend to have barbed wire with some troops in place. Ever wondered why?"

People who have lost everything (relatives, their women raped, houses burned etc) can get angry at those that caused it. Is that too hard to understand? Apologize AND pay for the damage first.

Adrian Gashi

pre 15 godina

So two Serbian and one Albanian car were stoned. Fortunately, no injuries. The article doesn't say who the perpetrators were. In the tradition of this web site, people already imagined who the perpetrators could be, and they are demanding immediate apologies and retributions from the other side. Could it be that Albanians stoned the Serb cars and the Serbs stoned the Albanian car? It could be. Or maybe the owners of all three cars got entangled in a stone throwing contest. Or maybe UNMIK stoned all three cars? Maybe the owners of the nearby auto body shop?
We're all waiting in anticipation to find out.

Ratko

pre 15 godina

This is how it all started in 98, from this it evolved to kidnappings, torture, rape, bombs at cafes, murder of Serb policemen and civillians. And can you imagine america portrayed to the world that Serbs are the evildoers?

This is how it was living with albanians in 98. Who can live in this kind of environment? Is this normal?

Olf

pre 15 godina

Guys, nothing new in Kosova.
Worst crimes happen elsewher but there are not given such connotation.

Kate made a valid point,
There will be no development in Kosovo, regardless of status, without some acceptance of reality and anger at the behaviour of violent thugs."

blero

pre 15 godina

long live multiethnic, peacful, demotractic kosovo...
but first we must scare, indimidate and cleans the countryside of ethnic non-albanians...
otherwise how could we deliver a peacful, multiethnic state dictated by democratic process?
(sarcastic sam, 10 November 2008 15:40)

Or, we can do things the Serbian way!!!!!
http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/articles/2008/11/10/reportage-01

blero

pre 15 godina

Why do the Albanians find it so difficult to condemn crime rather than continually justifying or denying it? I'm still waiting for the day this happens.
(ZK, 10 November 2008 16:33)

ZK, why do the Serbians find it so difficult to condemn massacres rather than continually justifying or denying it? I'm still waiting for the day this happens.

ZK

pre 15 godina

Why do the Albanians find it so difficult to condemn crime rather than continually justifying or denying it? I'm still waiting for the day this happens.

This particular matter isn't very serious but blaming Milosevic goes beyond belief.

nikshala, normally when Serbians are surrounded by Albanians, they tend to have barbed wire with some troops in place. Ever wondered why?

nikshala

pre 15 godina

"If you want news on Albanians, I'm sure there are plenty of other websites that focus on them, which you could visit.
(Milan T.O., 10 November 2008 13:30) "

I get my news from many sources including albanian sites as well.

One of the reasons for the success of the B92 so far has been its ability to remain unbiased to a certain degree, and thus the reason why this site is also visited by albanians and its an opportunity for both serbs and albanians and others, to put their views across.

If B92 is to remian a trusted site,then its only fair that the reports should also cover attacks on albanians on the north of Kosovo, so that the readers get the full picture. Otherwise B92 becomes just another serb propaganda apparatus. If albanians get attacked by serbs, than I would still classify that as a report that is of interest to serbian nationals, as you put it.

Albanez

pre 15 godina

"This looks like Milosevic trick. Friends of democratic and peaceful Kosova will not believe these lies!"

I don't doubt that some Albanian might do that, but two Serbs were arrested las week for writing ant-Serbian slogans in Serb owned houses. Stop it with the Slobodan tricks!!!!

sarcastic sam

pre 15 godina

long live multiethnic, peacful, demotractic kosovo...
but first we must scare, indimidate and cleans the countryside of ethnic non-albanians...
otherwise how could we deliver a peacful, multiethnic state dictated by democratic process?

Dragan, Toronto

pre 15 godina

All this under the umbrella and watchful eyes of NATO and EU stewardship. Too bad ther American government mouthpiece - CNN hasn't opened an office there to show us the other daily happenings...would make for a clearer picture internationally.

Milan T.O.

pre 15 godina

nikshala,

B92 is a Serbian news organization, so for them to be reporting on matters that affect Serbian nationals is only normal.

There are plenty of local news websites here where i am living that exclusively focus on Canadian news. this is to be expected.

If you want news on Albanians, I'm sure there are plenty of other websites that focus on them, which you could visit.

nikshala

pre 15 godina

I think the B92 news agency is one of or if not the best news agency in the Balkans, and most of the time it tries to stay away from political propaganda.

However I have to say in the last few months i have noticed a trend, where B92 seems to report on stories directed at serb audience only, both in terms on content of stories and phrases used.

How come B92 never reports on attacks on albanians on the north - attacks that are also confimed by KPS?

"Serbs in some 40 household live there completely surrounded by ethnic Albanians. " That sentence gives you the impression that these serbs are under seige surroundong by tanks and artilery, and we know thats not true!!! What does it mean to be "completely surrounded"?

A sentence such as - "Serbs in some 40 household live in a predominatly albanian area" - would be much more appropriate.

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 15 godina

On 10 November 2008 09:59, Arsim wrote:

"Friends of democratic and peaceful Kosova will not believe these lies!"

However, people with insight into human nature will believe stories like this.

Of course, K-Albanians are angels and are therefore not susceptible to the flaws of humanity.
--

kate

pre 15 godina

That's right Arsim - the KPS just made up this story about innocent people, including children, being stoned and terrorised. What on earth makes you dismiss this disgraceful event so quickly?!

There will be no development in Kosovo, regardless of status, without some acceptance of reality and anger at the behaviour of violent thugs.

As for the blind hero worship of America, it's just ludicrous.

kate

pre 15 godina

That's right Arsim - the KPS just made up this story about innocent people, including children, being stoned and terrorised. What on earth makes you dismiss this disgraceful event so quickly?!

There will be no development in Kosovo, regardless of status, without some acceptance of reality and anger at the behaviour of violent thugs.

As for the blind hero worship of America, it's just ludicrous.

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 15 godina

On 10 November 2008 09:59, Arsim wrote:

"Friends of democratic and peaceful Kosova will not believe these lies!"

However, people with insight into human nature will believe stories like this.

Of course, K-Albanians are angels and are therefore not susceptible to the flaws of humanity.
--

Milan T.O.

pre 15 godina

nikshala,

B92 is a Serbian news organization, so for them to be reporting on matters that affect Serbian nationals is only normal.

There are plenty of local news websites here where i am living that exclusively focus on Canadian news. this is to be expected.

If you want news on Albanians, I'm sure there are plenty of other websites that focus on them, which you could visit.

Dragan, Toronto

pre 15 godina

All this under the umbrella and watchful eyes of NATO and EU stewardship. Too bad ther American government mouthpiece - CNN hasn't opened an office there to show us the other daily happenings...would make for a clearer picture internationally.

sarcastic sam

pre 15 godina

long live multiethnic, peacful, demotractic kosovo...
but first we must scare, indimidate and cleans the countryside of ethnic non-albanians...
otherwise how could we deliver a peacful, multiethnic state dictated by democratic process?

nikshala

pre 15 godina

I think the B92 news agency is one of or if not the best news agency in the Balkans, and most of the time it tries to stay away from political propaganda.

However I have to say in the last few months i have noticed a trend, where B92 seems to report on stories directed at serb audience only, both in terms on content of stories and phrases used.

How come B92 never reports on attacks on albanians on the north - attacks that are also confimed by KPS?

"Serbs in some 40 household live there completely surrounded by ethnic Albanians. " That sentence gives you the impression that these serbs are under seige surroundong by tanks and artilery, and we know thats not true!!! What does it mean to be "completely surrounded"?

A sentence such as - "Serbs in some 40 household live in a predominatly albanian area" - would be much more appropriate.

ZK

pre 15 godina

Why do the Albanians find it so difficult to condemn crime rather than continually justifying or denying it? I'm still waiting for the day this happens.

This particular matter isn't very serious but blaming Milosevic goes beyond belief.

nikshala, normally when Serbians are surrounded by Albanians, they tend to have barbed wire with some troops in place. Ever wondered why?

blero

pre 15 godina

long live multiethnic, peacful, demotractic kosovo...
but first we must scare, indimidate and cleans the countryside of ethnic non-albanians...
otherwise how could we deliver a peacful, multiethnic state dictated by democratic process?
(sarcastic sam, 10 November 2008 15:40)

Or, we can do things the Serbian way!!!!!
http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/articles/2008/11/10/reportage-01

nikshala

pre 15 godina

"If you want news on Albanians, I'm sure there are plenty of other websites that focus on them, which you could visit.
(Milan T.O., 10 November 2008 13:30) "

I get my news from many sources including albanian sites as well.

One of the reasons for the success of the B92 so far has been its ability to remain unbiased to a certain degree, and thus the reason why this site is also visited by albanians and its an opportunity for both serbs and albanians and others, to put their views across.

If B92 is to remian a trusted site,then its only fair that the reports should also cover attacks on albanians on the north of Kosovo, so that the readers get the full picture. Otherwise B92 becomes just another serb propaganda apparatus. If albanians get attacked by serbs, than I would still classify that as a report that is of interest to serbian nationals, as you put it.

Ratko

pre 15 godina

This is how it all started in 98, from this it evolved to kidnappings, torture, rape, bombs at cafes, murder of Serb policemen and civillians. And can you imagine america portrayed to the world that Serbs are the evildoers?

This is how it was living with albanians in 98. Who can live in this kind of environment? Is this normal?

Albanez

pre 15 godina

"This looks like Milosevic trick. Friends of democratic and peaceful Kosova will not believe these lies!"

I don't doubt that some Albanian might do that, but two Serbs were arrested las week for writing ant-Serbian slogans in Serb owned houses. Stop it with the Slobodan tricks!!!!

blero

pre 15 godina

Why do the Albanians find it so difficult to condemn crime rather than continually justifying or denying it? I'm still waiting for the day this happens.
(ZK, 10 November 2008 16:33)

ZK, why do the Serbians find it so difficult to condemn massacres rather than continually justifying or denying it? I'm still waiting for the day this happens.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

"This looks like Milosevic trick. Friends of democratic and peaceful Kosova will not believe these lies!"

I don't doubt that some Albanian might do that, but two Serbs were arrested las week for writing ant-Serbian slogans in Serb owned houses. Stop it with the Slobodan tricks!!!!
(Albanez, 10 November 2008 16:54)

Stop with you Thaci tricks.
You always use Milosevic for every argument you have. Well, the Serbs have Thaci, Ceku, Seidiu and all those organ harvesting ghouls.

So I suggest you stop with all their tricks before you resort to Milosevic excuse again and again. Milosevic sure is serving you well, in death no less.

Adrian Gashi

pre 15 godina

So two Serbian and one Albanian car were stoned. Fortunately, no injuries. The article doesn't say who the perpetrators were. In the tradition of this web site, people already imagined who the perpetrators could be, and they are demanding immediate apologies and retributions from the other side. Could it be that Albanians stoned the Serb cars and the Serbs stoned the Albanian car? It could be. Or maybe the owners of all three cars got entangled in a stone throwing contest. Or maybe UNMIK stoned all three cars? Maybe the owners of the nearby auto body shop?
We're all waiting in anticipation to find out.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

I am the first to condemn it if ethnic Albanians get stoned in Serbia, I do not make differences between the citizens of Serbia, no matter what ethnicity they are of.

so much for condemning violence and hatred.

but it is a sad fact, that guys like nishala and blero want to make it look like the Serbs do not accept that there were serbian crimes too, and that is complete rubbish.

of course also Serbs did horrible things.

but, those who did, were sentenced by serbian jurisdiction, while albanian criminals in the occupied part of Serbia still walk freely.

no mosque was touched, even in the hard times of Slobo, but AFTER the nato-occupiers moved in, the Albanians didn´t lose much time to destroy serbian cultural heritage, such as churches and monasteries - do you see the difference, my dear friends?

as for those "massacres", blero is phantasizing about:

show us the proof, and I will condemn it, but so far, there are only allegations, not more.

and those who are not serbian, but deny these allegations are being called "racists" or "paid by the serbian secret service"

rather poor argumentation, if you ask me.

fact is: the UN came to the conclusion that the absolute number of serb AND albanian victims before the nato-agression is somewhere about 3000.

that´s something no Albanian could proove wrong, so far.

but how could they, when they are constantly living in a dream world, dreaming about being illyrians?

Albanez

pre 15 godina

"normally when Serbians are surrounded by Albanians, they tend to have barbed wire with some troops in place. Ever wondered why?"

People who have lost everything (relatives, their women raped, houses burned etc) can get angry at those that caused it. Is that too hard to understand? Apologize AND pay for the damage first.

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 15 godina

On 10 November 2008 18:22, Albanez wrote:

"People who have lost everything (relatives, their women raped, houses burned etc) can get angry at those that caused it."

And exactly who might "those" be? What did "those" people do? When? You got some kind of proof?
--

Niko

pre 15 godina

but how could they, when they are constantly living in a dream world, dreaming about being illyrians?
(Jovan, 10 November 2008 22:33)
I'm glad someone does a research about the origin of Albanians. I bet you missed that part where ancient authors from Polybius to Ptolemy aknowledges the existence of Albanians some 500 to 700 years before the first Slavs step their foot in the Balkans.
And by the way, there is an explanation why Romanians and Albanians have so many things in common. In the aftermath of the Dacian Wars, the Roman Emperor Trajan repopulated the devastated area with tribes mostly of Illyrians(and Celts).
In any case, even if the origin of Albanians is from Illyrian or Thracian tribes, both of these ancient peoples are authoctonous and predecessors of Slavs in the Balkans. And that is a fact, you like it or not!

Ajsel

pre 15 godina

And exactly who might "those" be? What did "those" people do? When? You got some kind of proof?
--
(Jan Andersen, DK, 10 November 2008 19:20
Where exactly are you living that you dont know what happened in 1998-99 in Kosova
This is how it was living with albanians in 98. Who can live in this kind of environment? Is this normal?
(Ratko, 10 November 2008 17:57)
So Ratko if dont like it you can go were ever you think its beter for you but in 98 it was the opposite of what you are saying I know it and you know it all the world knows especally us that went through the war.
There will be no development in Kosovo, regardless of status, without some acceptance of reality and anger at the behaviour of violent thugs. Kate dont be to sure to speak about something you are not familiar I have one question for have you ever been to Kosova or are you just writing what you read and know from Serbian propaganda?

lili

pre 15 godina

a few days ago Kosovo police stopped a serbian car,full of munitions and guns. A few days ago ,kosovo police arrested to serbian who curiously had sprayed their town with tags for Uck and independance and death to serbs...Strange isn't it...
Not that much indeed we are used to serbian provocation just before UN meeting or important international meeting about kosovo.

Olf

pre 15 godina

Guys, nothing new in Kosova.
Worst crimes happen elsewher but there are not given such connotation.

Kate made a valid point,
There will be no development in Kosovo, regardless of status, without some acceptance of reality and anger at the behaviour of violent thugs."

HE WHO SPEAKS THE TRUTH

pre 15 godina

"If you want news on Albanians, I'm sure there are plenty of other websites that focus on them, which you could visit.
(Milan T.O., 10 November 2008 13:30) "

I get my news from many sources including albanian sites as well.

One of the reasons for the success of the B92 so far has been its ability to remain unbiased to a certain degree, and thus the reason why this site is also visited by albanians and its an opportunity for both serbs and albanians and others, to put their views across.

If B92 is to remian a trusted site,then its only fair that the reports should also cover attacks on albanians on the north of Kosovo, so that the readers get the full picture. Otherwise B92 becomes just another serb propaganda apparatus. If albanians get attacked by serbs, than I would still classify that as a report that is of interest to serbian nationals, as you put it.
(nikshala, 10 November 2008 16:28)

You also have the right not to read any articles on B92, you chose to visit this site if you did not read any news here then don't visit the site. You have Kosova Press (you have to pay to read full the article), RTK live and other outlets. I choose B92 because the news is free and i don't have to pay. You have a choose, pay for Kosova Press or read the news for free on B92 your choice. Again no one forces you to visit this site. Just like i don't watch Fox News because they are Right Wing Conservatives and i choose not to visit there site nor watch there news unless it is the only thing on TV. In closing if B92 only wants to print pro serbian or news pertaining to serbia then it is there right freedom of press.

Agim

pre 15 godina

People who have lost everything (relatives, their women raped, houses burned etc) can get angry at those that caused it."

And exactly who might "those" be? What did "those" people do? When? You got some kind of proof?
--
(Jan Andersen, DK, 10 November 2008 19:20)


Jan I have just one question for you,


What planet do you live on mate.
Do you have to even ask that kind of question!

A complete insult, from someone that at least tries to come accross as Intelegent, a total insult!

cees

pre 15 godina

this article is a clear example of bad journalism and apllying information. The header by itself is formulated in a way, that it only can set aflame already existing aggressions against the Albanian people. Even the "by the way" passing mention of an equal happening from the side of the Serbs against Albanians doesn't annul the discrimination of the header. This is very dangerous journalism, which still is common in the Serbian Press. It borders "hatespeech" and is in most of the democratic states forbidden

Ataman

pre 15 godina

but how could they, when they are constantly living in a dream world, dreaming about being illyrians?
(Jovan, 10 November 2008 22:33)

No one can answer the Illyrian question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_Albanians

As for myself, I had long ago the impression of Romanians and Albanians being somehow related - see their national costume. So they could be rather Thracians or Dacians. Or maybe Illyrian version is correct.

What was called by Armenians "Aghvank"/Parthians "Ardhan" (roughly today Ossetia) is not connected directly to Shqipëria. But I admit, Russians supporting Ossetia versus Americans supporting Albania while Ossetians being same as Albanians would sound funny. Good joke, but it's just not correct.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

to Ataman:

it´s generally known that the ancient illyrian lived all across the whole balkan-peninsula, and after the slavic migration to the balkans, they were assimilated by the Slavs, in todays Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia and so on.. only in the albanian mountains, the some fragments of the illyrians could "survive" since the Albanians had not that level of consolidation to assimilate the illyrians. that´s why they took over a lot of illyrian vocabulary...actually the Albanians have lost their true history, and perhaps that´s deep inside they feel it and that is the reason why they are so desperately and fanatically trying to convince everyone of their "illyrian ancestry"...

nevertheless: todays Albanians have no connection to the illyrians whatsoever. they do not like to hear it, but it is the most probable theory, and as far as I am concerned, it even makes sense.

I´ve read about the name of the Carpathian Mountains, that the name derives from the illyrian "karp" ( or something like that, I don´t remember it so well ) and that means something like rock, stone.

following the laymen-history of our dear friends, even in todays Romania the inhabitants are not Romanians but Albanians! :)

...but, as soon as you have realized that this myth serves them to feel proud about themselves, even if it is an illusion, ...you don´t pay much attention anymore...except, if someone wants to legitimize his sick dreams with that illusion.

so much for the illyrian-illusion, Ataman.

greetings,
j.

nikshala

pre 15 godina

I think the B92 news agency is one of or if not the best news agency in the Balkans, and most of the time it tries to stay away from political propaganda.

However I have to say in the last few months i have noticed a trend, where B92 seems to report on stories directed at serb audience only, both in terms on content of stories and phrases used.

How come B92 never reports on attacks on albanians on the north - attacks that are also confimed by KPS?

"Serbs in some 40 household live there completely surrounded by ethnic Albanians. " That sentence gives you the impression that these serbs are under seige surroundong by tanks and artilery, and we know thats not true!!! What does it mean to be "completely surrounded"?

A sentence such as - "Serbs in some 40 household live in a predominatly albanian area" - would be much more appropriate.

Milan T.O.

pre 15 godina

nikshala,

B92 is a Serbian news organization, so for them to be reporting on matters that affect Serbian nationals is only normal.

There are plenty of local news websites here where i am living that exclusively focus on Canadian news. this is to be expected.

If you want news on Albanians, I'm sure there are plenty of other websites that focus on them, which you could visit.

Albanez

pre 15 godina

"normally when Serbians are surrounded by Albanians, they tend to have barbed wire with some troops in place. Ever wondered why?"

People who have lost everything (relatives, their women raped, houses burned etc) can get angry at those that caused it. Is that too hard to understand? Apologize AND pay for the damage first.

ZK

pre 15 godina

Why do the Albanians find it so difficult to condemn crime rather than continually justifying or denying it? I'm still waiting for the day this happens.

This particular matter isn't very serious but blaming Milosevic goes beyond belief.

nikshala, normally when Serbians are surrounded by Albanians, they tend to have barbed wire with some troops in place. Ever wondered why?

Albanez

pre 15 godina

"This looks like Milosevic trick. Friends of democratic and peaceful Kosova will not believe these lies!"

I don't doubt that some Albanian might do that, but two Serbs were arrested las week for writing ant-Serbian slogans in Serb owned houses. Stop it with the Slobodan tricks!!!!

blero

pre 15 godina

Why do the Albanians find it so difficult to condemn crime rather than continually justifying or denying it? I'm still waiting for the day this happens.
(ZK, 10 November 2008 16:33)

ZK, why do the Serbians find it so difficult to condemn massacres rather than continually justifying or denying it? I'm still waiting for the day this happens.

blero

pre 15 godina

long live multiethnic, peacful, demotractic kosovo...
but first we must scare, indimidate and cleans the countryside of ethnic non-albanians...
otherwise how could we deliver a peacful, multiethnic state dictated by democratic process?
(sarcastic sam, 10 November 2008 15:40)

Or, we can do things the Serbian way!!!!!
http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/articles/2008/11/10/reportage-01

kate

pre 15 godina

That's right Arsim - the KPS just made up this story about innocent people, including children, being stoned and terrorised. What on earth makes you dismiss this disgraceful event so quickly?!

There will be no development in Kosovo, regardless of status, without some acceptance of reality and anger at the behaviour of violent thugs.

As for the blind hero worship of America, it's just ludicrous.

lili

pre 15 godina

a few days ago Kosovo police stopped a serbian car,full of munitions and guns. A few days ago ,kosovo police arrested to serbian who curiously had sprayed their town with tags for Uck and independance and death to serbs...Strange isn't it...
Not that much indeed we are used to serbian provocation just before UN meeting or important international meeting about kosovo.

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 15 godina

On 10 November 2008 09:59, Arsim wrote:

"Friends of democratic and peaceful Kosova will not believe these lies!"

However, people with insight into human nature will believe stories like this.

Of course, K-Albanians are angels and are therefore not susceptible to the flaws of humanity.
--

nikshala

pre 15 godina

"If you want news on Albanians, I'm sure there are plenty of other websites that focus on them, which you could visit.
(Milan T.O., 10 November 2008 13:30) "

I get my news from many sources including albanian sites as well.

One of the reasons for the success of the B92 so far has been its ability to remain unbiased to a certain degree, and thus the reason why this site is also visited by albanians and its an opportunity for both serbs and albanians and others, to put their views across.

If B92 is to remian a trusted site,then its only fair that the reports should also cover attacks on albanians on the north of Kosovo, so that the readers get the full picture. Otherwise B92 becomes just another serb propaganda apparatus. If albanians get attacked by serbs, than I would still classify that as a report that is of interest to serbian nationals, as you put it.

Ajsel

pre 15 godina

And exactly who might "those" be? What did "those" people do? When? You got some kind of proof?
--
(Jan Andersen, DK, 10 November 2008 19:20
Where exactly are you living that you dont know what happened in 1998-99 in Kosova
This is how it was living with albanians in 98. Who can live in this kind of environment? Is this normal?
(Ratko, 10 November 2008 17:57)
So Ratko if dont like it you can go were ever you think its beter for you but in 98 it was the opposite of what you are saying I know it and you know it all the world knows especally us that went through the war.
There will be no development in Kosovo, regardless of status, without some acceptance of reality and anger at the behaviour of violent thugs. Kate dont be to sure to speak about something you are not familiar I have one question for have you ever been to Kosova or are you just writing what you read and know from Serbian propaganda?

Adrian Gashi

pre 15 godina

So two Serbian and one Albanian car were stoned. Fortunately, no injuries. The article doesn't say who the perpetrators were. In the tradition of this web site, people already imagined who the perpetrators could be, and they are demanding immediate apologies and retributions from the other side. Could it be that Albanians stoned the Serb cars and the Serbs stoned the Albanian car? It could be. Or maybe the owners of all three cars got entangled in a stone throwing contest. Or maybe UNMIK stoned all three cars? Maybe the owners of the nearby auto body shop?
We're all waiting in anticipation to find out.

Dragan, Toronto

pre 15 godina

All this under the umbrella and watchful eyes of NATO and EU stewardship. Too bad ther American government mouthpiece - CNN hasn't opened an office there to show us the other daily happenings...would make for a clearer picture internationally.

sarcastic sam

pre 15 godina

long live multiethnic, peacful, demotractic kosovo...
but first we must scare, indimidate and cleans the countryside of ethnic non-albanians...
otherwise how could we deliver a peacful, multiethnic state dictated by democratic process?

Ratko

pre 15 godina

This is how it all started in 98, from this it evolved to kidnappings, torture, rape, bombs at cafes, murder of Serb policemen and civillians. And can you imagine america portrayed to the world that Serbs are the evildoers?

This is how it was living with albanians in 98. Who can live in this kind of environment? Is this normal?

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 15 godina

On 10 November 2008 18:22, Albanez wrote:

"People who have lost everything (relatives, their women raped, houses burned etc) can get angry at those that caused it."

And exactly who might "those" be? What did "those" people do? When? You got some kind of proof?
--

Peggy

pre 15 godina

"This looks like Milosevic trick. Friends of democratic and peaceful Kosova will not believe these lies!"

I don't doubt that some Albanian might do that, but two Serbs were arrested las week for writing ant-Serbian slogans in Serb owned houses. Stop it with the Slobodan tricks!!!!
(Albanez, 10 November 2008 16:54)

Stop with you Thaci tricks.
You always use Milosevic for every argument you have. Well, the Serbs have Thaci, Ceku, Seidiu and all those organ harvesting ghouls.

So I suggest you stop with all their tricks before you resort to Milosevic excuse again and again. Milosevic sure is serving you well, in death no less.

cees

pre 15 godina

this article is a clear example of bad journalism and apllying information. The header by itself is formulated in a way, that it only can set aflame already existing aggressions against the Albanian people. Even the "by the way" passing mention of an equal happening from the side of the Serbs against Albanians doesn't annul the discrimination of the header. This is very dangerous journalism, which still is common in the Serbian Press. It borders "hatespeech" and is in most of the democratic states forbidden

Jovan

pre 15 godina

to Ataman:

it´s generally known that the ancient illyrian lived all across the whole balkan-peninsula, and after the slavic migration to the balkans, they were assimilated by the Slavs, in todays Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia and so on.. only in the albanian mountains, the some fragments of the illyrians could "survive" since the Albanians had not that level of consolidation to assimilate the illyrians. that´s why they took over a lot of illyrian vocabulary...actually the Albanians have lost their true history, and perhaps that´s deep inside they feel it and that is the reason why they are so desperately and fanatically trying to convince everyone of their "illyrian ancestry"...

nevertheless: todays Albanians have no connection to the illyrians whatsoever. they do not like to hear it, but it is the most probable theory, and as far as I am concerned, it even makes sense.

I´ve read about the name of the Carpathian Mountains, that the name derives from the illyrian "karp" ( or something like that, I don´t remember it so well ) and that means something like rock, stone.

following the laymen-history of our dear friends, even in todays Romania the inhabitants are not Romanians but Albanians! :)

...but, as soon as you have realized that this myth serves them to feel proud about themselves, even if it is an illusion, ...you don´t pay much attention anymore...except, if someone wants to legitimize his sick dreams with that illusion.

so much for the illyrian-illusion, Ataman.

greetings,
j.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

I am the first to condemn it if ethnic Albanians get stoned in Serbia, I do not make differences between the citizens of Serbia, no matter what ethnicity they are of.

so much for condemning violence and hatred.

but it is a sad fact, that guys like nishala and blero want to make it look like the Serbs do not accept that there were serbian crimes too, and that is complete rubbish.

of course also Serbs did horrible things.

but, those who did, were sentenced by serbian jurisdiction, while albanian criminals in the occupied part of Serbia still walk freely.

no mosque was touched, even in the hard times of Slobo, but AFTER the nato-occupiers moved in, the Albanians didn´t lose much time to destroy serbian cultural heritage, such as churches and monasteries - do you see the difference, my dear friends?

as for those "massacres", blero is phantasizing about:

show us the proof, and I will condemn it, but so far, there are only allegations, not more.

and those who are not serbian, but deny these allegations are being called "racists" or "paid by the serbian secret service"

rather poor argumentation, if you ask me.

fact is: the UN came to the conclusion that the absolute number of serb AND albanian victims before the nato-agression is somewhere about 3000.

that´s something no Albanian could proove wrong, so far.

but how could they, when they are constantly living in a dream world, dreaming about being illyrians?

Olf

pre 15 godina

Guys, nothing new in Kosova.
Worst crimes happen elsewher but there are not given such connotation.

Kate made a valid point,
There will be no development in Kosovo, regardless of status, without some acceptance of reality and anger at the behaviour of violent thugs."

HE WHO SPEAKS THE TRUTH

pre 15 godina

"If you want news on Albanians, I'm sure there are plenty of other websites that focus on them, which you could visit.
(Milan T.O., 10 November 2008 13:30) "

I get my news from many sources including albanian sites as well.

One of the reasons for the success of the B92 so far has been its ability to remain unbiased to a certain degree, and thus the reason why this site is also visited by albanians and its an opportunity for both serbs and albanians and others, to put their views across.

If B92 is to remian a trusted site,then its only fair that the reports should also cover attacks on albanians on the north of Kosovo, so that the readers get the full picture. Otherwise B92 becomes just another serb propaganda apparatus. If albanians get attacked by serbs, than I would still classify that as a report that is of interest to serbian nationals, as you put it.
(nikshala, 10 November 2008 16:28)

You also have the right not to read any articles on B92, you chose to visit this site if you did not read any news here then don't visit the site. You have Kosova Press (you have to pay to read full the article), RTK live and other outlets. I choose B92 because the news is free and i don't have to pay. You have a choose, pay for Kosova Press or read the news for free on B92 your choice. Again no one forces you to visit this site. Just like i don't watch Fox News because they are Right Wing Conservatives and i choose not to visit there site nor watch there news unless it is the only thing on TV. In closing if B92 only wants to print pro serbian or news pertaining to serbia then it is there right freedom of press.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

but how could they, when they are constantly living in a dream world, dreaming about being illyrians?
(Jovan, 10 November 2008 22:33)

No one can answer the Illyrian question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_Albanians

As for myself, I had long ago the impression of Romanians and Albanians being somehow related - see their national costume. So they could be rather Thracians or Dacians. Or maybe Illyrian version is correct.

What was called by Armenians "Aghvank"/Parthians "Ardhan" (roughly today Ossetia) is not connected directly to Shqipëria. But I admit, Russians supporting Ossetia versus Americans supporting Albania while Ossetians being same as Albanians would sound funny. Good joke, but it's just not correct.

Niko

pre 15 godina

but how could they, when they are constantly living in a dream world, dreaming about being illyrians?
(Jovan, 10 November 2008 22:33)
I'm glad someone does a research about the origin of Albanians. I bet you missed that part where ancient authors from Polybius to Ptolemy aknowledges the existence of Albanians some 500 to 700 years before the first Slavs step their foot in the Balkans.
And by the way, there is an explanation why Romanians and Albanians have so many things in common. In the aftermath of the Dacian Wars, the Roman Emperor Trajan repopulated the devastated area with tribes mostly of Illyrians(and Celts).
In any case, even if the origin of Albanians is from Illyrian or Thracian tribes, both of these ancient peoples are authoctonous and predecessors of Slavs in the Balkans. And that is a fact, you like it or not!

Agim

pre 15 godina

People who have lost everything (relatives, their women raped, houses burned etc) can get angry at those that caused it."

And exactly who might "those" be? What did "those" people do? When? You got some kind of proof?
--
(Jan Andersen, DK, 10 November 2008 19:20)


Jan I have just one question for you,


What planet do you live on mate.
Do you have to even ask that kind of question!

A complete insult, from someone that at least tries to come accross as Intelegent, a total insult!