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Saturday, 08.11.2008.

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K. Albanians say "neutrality" unacceptable

A spokesman for Kosovo's president says Priština "does not need a neutral EU mission".

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Jovan

pre 15 godina

"Jovan,

As you can see his comments alone (if you take them seriously at all) are those of an Albanian."

I know, it is just too obvious, but the simple fact that he still beleive to be in the position to fool others here is just too funny.

it says a lot about him, I´d say.

I cannot say it any clearer, since our dear censors would cut it out...

jovial john

pre 15 godina

FriscoBob said: "Sorry, dear peggy, we've seen how serbia solves her prolems without the world's "help." thanks, but no thanks!"
Bobby, I wonder exactly how you would rank you beloved America's ability to solve their problems without the World's help?
I seem to recall a wavering and weak number 1 priority war being waged in a country that never actually did anything to yours. I also have the stick poking me and reminding me that your tyrancial leader simply had to abandon the number 1 war to finish off what his father couldn't. Can you justify that actions of your beloved USofA even from your GoldenGate BaySide veranda while drinking your latte and thinking that everything is great and golden in SF?
Recardless of whether you live in SF, are Jewish, Albianian, Irish or Mogadishian, you have demonstrated time and time again that you hold a very strong bias against a peoples that you have no reason to dislike, unless you have a heritage within the Balkans? I also ask you how you can justify your Jewish heritage's actions in the "HolyLand" by ethnically cleansing the Palestinians out of Palestine? Or as an American, how can you justify that your people ethnically cleansed an approximate 20 million native Americans, the original owners and occupiers of the land you live on? And once that was done, your wondeful American goverment took 5 states from Mexico, one that you live in infact. How can you live with yourself? As an American Jew living in San Francisco, you are living on top of rivers of blood.
Maybe the Serbs were trying to imitate your peoples, whomever they are... shouldn't you accept someone who is imitating you? After all, imitation is the highest form of flatterly honey

rolerkoster

pre 15 godina

Kosovo Albanians are gullible to think that they actually have a say in this matter. This whole conflict is between the West and Serbia. (mark gregory clayter, 8 November 2008 17:53)

my comment (nr.4) - in which I referred directly to you - was cencored by B92. the words - which were left - were only those which are in favour of Serbs. what's that, B92?? hatress paroles and humiliating comments like the one of Mark Gregory Clayter are welcome and published 1:1 - and the sentence, that there are TWO state-like states at the same time at the territory - this is censored ?? what's that ??

Niall O'Doherty

pre 15 godina

you may go on writing about your "american" surrounding and "frisco"... but you should know that nobody believes you.
(Jovan, 10 November 2008 08:55)

Jovan,

As you can see his comments alone (if you take them seriously at all) are those of an Albanian. I have been to SanFran myself and I have never ever heard any of its natives refer to it as 'frisco'. Secondly I have never heard of a Jewish guy called 'roberto'.

So to sum it up, this 'roberto' dude like 'michael clayter' (never heard of that name either)are more phonies and fakes.

However folks, we can be safe in the knowledge that what is genuine is the rule of international law - Helsinki Agreement and UN Resolution 1244 which enshrines Serbia's sovereignty over all its territory which includes the AP's of Vojvodina and Kosmet.

Beware of cheap imitations!!, 'roberto', 'michael clayter' and the 'republic of kosova'.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

@roberto:

my dear, you don´t have to live in SanFran to know that that calling it "Frisco" is near to an insult to many inhabitants, no matter whether they are born there or just living there.

I don´t have to say this, but in order to calm you down: I have been to San Francisco, I have several friends there, and that´s all you have to know.

as for me, and since you are asking for it: I was born in an ethnically mixed city, and have friends among all ethnicities, that should not be necessary to mention,but as it seems to be important to you, this ethnical purity-thing... I hope that furthermore you won´t ask for such a nonsense. just for your info: Serbia is one of the most multiethnic states at all, so there is no ethnical purity in Serbia at all.

the problem is not about Albanian ethnicity, but about SOME mislead Albanians who dream of grabbing something that was never theirs to carve out their sick dream of a "natural Albania".

only in the temporarily occupied southern serbian province, the Albanians are trying to create ethnic purity, as you certainly know...

but, being an Albanian, you should know that very well.

and yet something else my dear - jewish readers or writers are of course welcome here - Serbia is one of the few countries where the jewish population never suffered of any pogroms at all.

while the Serbs were showing solidarity with the Jews, and even had to suffer from the same aggressors, the Albanians chose to side with those Aggressors, just take a look into history-books, my dear.

but, one thing I can tell you: you are right, I don´t read your comments with much care, since I have learned that your comments are not to be taken seriously.

you may go on writing about your "american" surrounding and "frisco"... but you should know that nobody believes you.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Johnny, Albanians have killed their own in order to make it look like Serbs killed them and made all the trouble. They are very likely to turn on NATO if things go sour.

I was actually being sarcastic about getting sympathy from the west if they kill NATO soldiers. I know that if they do that and they identify who fired on them there will be no sympathy but if it is a small incident it could be covered up and blamed on the Serbs initially, just like many other bogus killings like Racak massacre. Now we all know that was staged. General Lewis MacKenzie said so back in May during a forum in Montreal, along with Ambassador Bisset.

I know you will claim now that General MacKenzie is a liar and all the others who have exposed this lie of yours and many others.

roberto

pre 15 godina

"as for "roberto" who still wants to make us believe he´s not albanian and lives in "frisco":

honey, when will you learn that the inhabitants of that truly beautiful west-coast-city HATE to hear someone call their city "frisco"?"

oh my god, jovan, i had no idea you were such an expert on the th sensibilities of the residents of san francisco... and just how long have you lived here, "honey"??

actually, like many others, i was not BORN here, as i have written a number of times, assuming you actually read (what i write.) i was born in detroit (where were you born -- somehere ethnically "pure" i hope)-- and moved out here in the very late 70s. quite a happening time, right after harvey milk and the mayor were assassinated (the film MILK is coming out this month, and should be quite incredible.)

but "honey," as for this bizarre obsession of yours and a few other nationalists that i don't live in Frisco, just what is that all about? would it somehow de-legitimize my POV if i lived in pristina, podujevo, or full time in sarajevo? or perhaps in yr beloved belgrade? i travel as much as i can and to all of those places; does that make it better or worse?

or is it an issue of my nationality/ethnicity/religion which some of you are obviously so obsessed with? so, i'm just pretending to be jewish?? and actually i am muslim?? greek orthodox? who in god's name would come to a "serbian" site and pretend they are jewish, when jews, how shall i put it, are not exactly cherished here, not to mention throughout much of the world?

i mean i know, it is obvious, that serbs of the diaspora take on anglicized names and report that they are from ireland or australia or wherever. maybe they are and maybe who cares.

so jovan, "honey", i suggest that you spend a little less energy attacking yr perceived opponents, and a little more trying to fix yr not so perfect country.

robert0
happyfrisco

Jovan

pre 15 godina

well, it´s really interesting, since the level of pathologic denial of reality among our dear albanian friends is amazing.

don´t you see what it going on? what has to happen until you see that you are being duped? the occupiers are temporarily taking care of you, but the ( international ) legal status stays just as it is: UNSC 1244 confirms it.

so all that is left for you is the usual blah blah about " a done deal" and "a new country" ...but in effect, you have no say, my dear friends.

as for "roberto" who still wants to make us believe he´s not albanian and lives in "frisco":

honey, when will you learn that the inhabitants of that truly beautiful west-coast-city HATE to hear someone call their city "frisco"?

and finally to Albanez:
Nato-soldiers not behaving like serbian soldiers? now, what kind of joke is that?

nato-soldiers bombed hospitals and schools because they couldn´t manage to even find tanks and military hardware... they are VERY different from serbian ones!

they are just similar to albanian terrorist, who bomb churches (!) and monasteries (!) which are known to be sacred objects all over the civilized world...
only our dear k-albanian friends don´t seem to have realized that yet.

Albanez

pre 15 godina

>>>>>>> EULEX deployment does worry me. Even if it says it is status neutral it means nothing. Res. 1244 has not been adhered to so why should this agreement be adhered to. All EU wants is to get a foot in the door (especially the north) and implement what they will. Who is going to stop them when they start. Nobody did anything about Res. 1244 being totally ignored.

and that's why they 'agreed to Serbia's demands' but then at least England, France, US and Germany said no.

>>>>>>>"As for the Albanians, surely you can see now that you have no independence. Nobody negotiated with you on this one. It was between Serbia and Europe. This must tell you that Serbia is still the country to be asked if any new resolutions are to take place and important to get agreement from."

Really? If Albanians said we accept partition it would be solved in a day bu we don't. EU will try to reach an agreement, if not they will move anyway like on February 17th. Russia is the only one supporting Serbia and for that Serbia has paid a huge price, literally, by giving Nis away and having its gas prices skyrocket.

Don't worry (or don't start celebrating yet) no one will shoot NATO soldiers, they are not behaving like the Serb ones.

johny

pre 15 godina

Can you please explain to me how we are gonna get the sympathy of the west if we kill UN soldiers, since the west is part of the UN also? How did you come to such an illuminated conclusion that the West will sympathize with US if we kill their people from one mission, and thus to reward us and punish the Serbs they will send their people again but in another mission.

Also can you please remind me about the negotiation process the west had with Serbia when they recognized Kosova's independence.
These countries that are gonna bring their sons in Kosova do not want them to get hurt. Who can hurt them? The Serbs in Mitrovica can, because they've been fed these fairy tales by Belgrade that EULEX is bad for them and they should fear them.
Albanians want EULEX there without conditions. EULEX has no problems to their security when it comes to us. These countries saved us from Serb terror and they recognized our independence. So what do EULEX countries do to protect their sons? They go to the fairly tale creators in Belgrade, and talk them down and tell them to stop telling fairly tales and tell their co-nationals in north Mitrovica to cool down cuz EULEX is no the evil.

I am willing to make a bet with you. EULEX will be all over Kosova whether Serbia agrees or not. If not EULEX a mission made of everybody but Greece, Slovakia, Cyprus and Spain.

roberto

pre 15 godina

'Serbia would be more than happy to solve her own problems without your "help".'

Sorry, dear peggy, we've seen how serbia solves her prolems without the world's "help." thanks, but no thanks!

roberto
happyfrisco

Peggy

pre 15 godina

As a tax payer within the EU, I don't see that my money is being well spnet on either side with both sides bickering like little kids. It doesn't create a flattering view of your respective cultures for outside observers.
(Jim Boles, 8 November 2008 23:06)

Jim, if you are so unhappy about your money going to solve/inflame "petty squabbles", then please take that up with your government. There is nothing Serbia can do to prevent your government sticking it's nose where it's not wanted. Serbia would be more than happy to solve her own problems without your "help".

EULEX deployment does worry me. Even if it says it is status neutral it means nothing. Res. 1244 has not been adhered to so why should this agreement be adhered to. All EU wants is to get a foot in the door (especially the north) and implement what they will. Who is going to stop them when they start. Nobody did anything about Res. 1244 being totally ignored.

As for the Albanians, surely you can see now that you have no independence. Nobody negotiated with you on this one. It was between Serbia and Europe. This must tell you that Serbia is still the country to be asked if any new resolutions are to take place and important to get agreement from.

I wonder what you intend to do about this. I cannot see what you can except to start killing UN soldiers to spark sympathy from the west like you did when you started killing Serbian officials to get a response from Milosevic.

Jim Boles

pre 15 godina

So, looking at this from a rank outsider's point of view, let me see if I have this right;

The K-Serbs see EULEX as a tool of the devil intent only on shoring up the breakaway K-Alb state.

Whereas...

The K-Albs see EULEX as a tool of the devil intent only on shoring up the opressive former K-Serb state.

And the guys at Vetevendosje
see everyone as part of some strange conspiracy to control the entire world.

I have to say that I wonder if the people who come purely to do the teaching and training etc for the judges and cops etc will ever have a chance to pass on anything at all...

I understand that history appears to have set you guys at each other's throats but surely it's time for both sides to just move on without the constant bickering.

As a tax payer within the EU, I don't see that my money is being well spnet on either side with both sides bickering like little kids. It doesn't create a flattering view of your respective cultures for outside observers.

rolerkoster

pre 15 godina

As for EULEX, I think, it can only be "status neutral" in the conflict between Serbia and Kosovo, while both will remain, what they were and what they are: enemies existing on the same territory.

As for the EU, I think, there will be never found a common sense for to integrate such a territory. as long as Serbia claims this status, there will be no change, even not on the long run.

mark gregory clayter

pre 15 godina

Kosovo Albanians are gullible to think that they actually have a say in this matter. This whole conflict is between the West and Serbia.

dd

pre 15 godina

Wake up,

USA and NATO try to bribe Serbia - to enter the North of the province (by the way they will succeed)and they can't do that without Serbia approval, BUT for so-called Kosova government - nobody ask them - but they don't understand it -US and NATO didn't start "humanitarian bombing" to help Kosovars(just another WMD style case to start the agression and build bombing style "real democracy") - They did and they will make Kosovo their state as planned with Kosovars as pizza -HUT kids store managers - just to feel as they are important.

HE WHO SPEAKS THE TRUTH

pre 15 godina

The albanian side may not have a choice in the matter. If this deal has been struck like i said it has already then both sides have to grin and bear it because if not then you can kiss the 1 billion euros good by and off to the EU goes Serbia for playing the game.

dd

pre 15 godina

Wake up,

USA and NATO try to bribe Serbia - to enter the North of the province (by the way they will succeed)and they can't do that without Serbia approval, BUT for so-called Kosova government - nobody ask them - but they don't understand it -US and NATO didn't start "humanitarian bombing" to help Kosovars(just another WMD style case to start the agression and build bombing style "real democracy") - They did and they will make Kosovo their state as planned with Kosovars as pizza -HUT kids store managers - just to feel as they are important.

mark gregory clayter

pre 15 godina

Kosovo Albanians are gullible to think that they actually have a say in this matter. This whole conflict is between the West and Serbia.

HE WHO SPEAKS THE TRUTH

pre 15 godina

The albanian side may not have a choice in the matter. If this deal has been struck like i said it has already then both sides have to grin and bear it because if not then you can kiss the 1 billion euros good by and off to the EU goes Serbia for playing the game.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

As a tax payer within the EU, I don't see that my money is being well spnet on either side with both sides bickering like little kids. It doesn't create a flattering view of your respective cultures for outside observers.
(Jim Boles, 8 November 2008 23:06)

Jim, if you are so unhappy about your money going to solve/inflame "petty squabbles", then please take that up with your government. There is nothing Serbia can do to prevent your government sticking it's nose where it's not wanted. Serbia would be more than happy to solve her own problems without your "help".

EULEX deployment does worry me. Even if it says it is status neutral it means nothing. Res. 1244 has not been adhered to so why should this agreement be adhered to. All EU wants is to get a foot in the door (especially the north) and implement what they will. Who is going to stop them when they start. Nobody did anything about Res. 1244 being totally ignored.

As for the Albanians, surely you can see now that you have no independence. Nobody negotiated with you on this one. It was between Serbia and Europe. This must tell you that Serbia is still the country to be asked if any new resolutions are to take place and important to get agreement from.

I wonder what you intend to do about this. I cannot see what you can except to start killing UN soldiers to spark sympathy from the west like you did when you started killing Serbian officials to get a response from Milosevic.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

well, it´s really interesting, since the level of pathologic denial of reality among our dear albanian friends is amazing.

don´t you see what it going on? what has to happen until you see that you are being duped? the occupiers are temporarily taking care of you, but the ( international ) legal status stays just as it is: UNSC 1244 confirms it.

so all that is left for you is the usual blah blah about " a done deal" and "a new country" ...but in effect, you have no say, my dear friends.

as for "roberto" who still wants to make us believe he´s not albanian and lives in "frisco":

honey, when will you learn that the inhabitants of that truly beautiful west-coast-city HATE to hear someone call their city "frisco"?

and finally to Albanez:
Nato-soldiers not behaving like serbian soldiers? now, what kind of joke is that?

nato-soldiers bombed hospitals and schools because they couldn´t manage to even find tanks and military hardware... they are VERY different from serbian ones!

they are just similar to albanian terrorist, who bomb churches (!) and monasteries (!) which are known to be sacred objects all over the civilized world...
only our dear k-albanian friends don´t seem to have realized that yet.

roberto

pre 15 godina

'Serbia would be more than happy to solve her own problems without your "help".'

Sorry, dear peggy, we've seen how serbia solves her prolems without the world's "help." thanks, but no thanks!

roberto
happyfrisco

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Johnny, Albanians have killed their own in order to make it look like Serbs killed them and made all the trouble. They are very likely to turn on NATO if things go sour.

I was actually being sarcastic about getting sympathy from the west if they kill NATO soldiers. I know that if they do that and they identify who fired on them there will be no sympathy but if it is a small incident it could be covered up and blamed on the Serbs initially, just like many other bogus killings like Racak massacre. Now we all know that was staged. General Lewis MacKenzie said so back in May during a forum in Montreal, along with Ambassador Bisset.

I know you will claim now that General MacKenzie is a liar and all the others who have exposed this lie of yours and many others.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 15 godina

you may go on writing about your "american" surrounding and "frisco"... but you should know that nobody believes you.
(Jovan, 10 November 2008 08:55)

Jovan,

As you can see his comments alone (if you take them seriously at all) are those of an Albanian. I have been to SanFran myself and I have never ever heard any of its natives refer to it as 'frisco'. Secondly I have never heard of a Jewish guy called 'roberto'.

So to sum it up, this 'roberto' dude like 'michael clayter' (never heard of that name either)are more phonies and fakes.

However folks, we can be safe in the knowledge that what is genuine is the rule of international law - Helsinki Agreement and UN Resolution 1244 which enshrines Serbia's sovereignty over all its territory which includes the AP's of Vojvodina and Kosmet.

Beware of cheap imitations!!, 'roberto', 'michael clayter' and the 'republic of kosova'.

rolerkoster

pre 15 godina

As for EULEX, I think, it can only be "status neutral" in the conflict between Serbia and Kosovo, while both will remain, what they were and what they are: enemies existing on the same territory.

As for the EU, I think, there will be never found a common sense for to integrate such a territory. as long as Serbia claims this status, there will be no change, even not on the long run.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

@roberto:

my dear, you don´t have to live in SanFran to know that that calling it "Frisco" is near to an insult to many inhabitants, no matter whether they are born there or just living there.

I don´t have to say this, but in order to calm you down: I have been to San Francisco, I have several friends there, and that´s all you have to know.

as for me, and since you are asking for it: I was born in an ethnically mixed city, and have friends among all ethnicities, that should not be necessary to mention,but as it seems to be important to you, this ethnical purity-thing... I hope that furthermore you won´t ask for such a nonsense. just for your info: Serbia is one of the most multiethnic states at all, so there is no ethnical purity in Serbia at all.

the problem is not about Albanian ethnicity, but about SOME mislead Albanians who dream of grabbing something that was never theirs to carve out their sick dream of a "natural Albania".

only in the temporarily occupied southern serbian province, the Albanians are trying to create ethnic purity, as you certainly know...

but, being an Albanian, you should know that very well.

and yet something else my dear - jewish readers or writers are of course welcome here - Serbia is one of the few countries where the jewish population never suffered of any pogroms at all.

while the Serbs were showing solidarity with the Jews, and even had to suffer from the same aggressors, the Albanians chose to side with those Aggressors, just take a look into history-books, my dear.

but, one thing I can tell you: you are right, I don´t read your comments with much care, since I have learned that your comments are not to be taken seriously.

you may go on writing about your "american" surrounding and "frisco"... but you should know that nobody believes you.

johny

pre 15 godina

Can you please explain to me how we are gonna get the sympathy of the west if we kill UN soldiers, since the west is part of the UN also? How did you come to such an illuminated conclusion that the West will sympathize with US if we kill their people from one mission, and thus to reward us and punish the Serbs they will send their people again but in another mission.

Also can you please remind me about the negotiation process the west had with Serbia when they recognized Kosova's independence.
These countries that are gonna bring their sons in Kosova do not want them to get hurt. Who can hurt them? The Serbs in Mitrovica can, because they've been fed these fairy tales by Belgrade that EULEX is bad for them and they should fear them.
Albanians want EULEX there without conditions. EULEX has no problems to their security when it comes to us. These countries saved us from Serb terror and they recognized our independence. So what do EULEX countries do to protect their sons? They go to the fairly tale creators in Belgrade, and talk them down and tell them to stop telling fairly tales and tell their co-nationals in north Mitrovica to cool down cuz EULEX is no the evil.

I am willing to make a bet with you. EULEX will be all over Kosova whether Serbia agrees or not. If not EULEX a mission made of everybody but Greece, Slovakia, Cyprus and Spain.

jovial john

pre 15 godina

FriscoBob said: "Sorry, dear peggy, we've seen how serbia solves her prolems without the world's "help." thanks, but no thanks!"
Bobby, I wonder exactly how you would rank you beloved America's ability to solve their problems without the World's help?
I seem to recall a wavering and weak number 1 priority war being waged in a country that never actually did anything to yours. I also have the stick poking me and reminding me that your tyrancial leader simply had to abandon the number 1 war to finish off what his father couldn't. Can you justify that actions of your beloved USofA even from your GoldenGate BaySide veranda while drinking your latte and thinking that everything is great and golden in SF?
Recardless of whether you live in SF, are Jewish, Albianian, Irish or Mogadishian, you have demonstrated time and time again that you hold a very strong bias against a peoples that you have no reason to dislike, unless you have a heritage within the Balkans? I also ask you how you can justify your Jewish heritage's actions in the "HolyLand" by ethnically cleansing the Palestinians out of Palestine? Or as an American, how can you justify that your people ethnically cleansed an approximate 20 million native Americans, the original owners and occupiers of the land you live on? And once that was done, your wondeful American goverment took 5 states from Mexico, one that you live in infact. How can you live with yourself? As an American Jew living in San Francisco, you are living on top of rivers of blood.
Maybe the Serbs were trying to imitate your peoples, whomever they are... shouldn't you accept someone who is imitating you? After all, imitation is the highest form of flatterly honey

Jim Boles

pre 15 godina

So, looking at this from a rank outsider's point of view, let me see if I have this right;

The K-Serbs see EULEX as a tool of the devil intent only on shoring up the breakaway K-Alb state.

Whereas...

The K-Albs see EULEX as a tool of the devil intent only on shoring up the opressive former K-Serb state.

And the guys at Vetevendosje
see everyone as part of some strange conspiracy to control the entire world.

I have to say that I wonder if the people who come purely to do the teaching and training etc for the judges and cops etc will ever have a chance to pass on anything at all...

I understand that history appears to have set you guys at each other's throats but surely it's time for both sides to just move on without the constant bickering.

As a tax payer within the EU, I don't see that my money is being well spnet on either side with both sides bickering like little kids. It doesn't create a flattering view of your respective cultures for outside observers.

Albanez

pre 15 godina

>>>>>>> EULEX deployment does worry me. Even if it says it is status neutral it means nothing. Res. 1244 has not been adhered to so why should this agreement be adhered to. All EU wants is to get a foot in the door (especially the north) and implement what they will. Who is going to stop them when they start. Nobody did anything about Res. 1244 being totally ignored.

and that's why they 'agreed to Serbia's demands' but then at least England, France, US and Germany said no.

>>>>>>>"As for the Albanians, surely you can see now that you have no independence. Nobody negotiated with you on this one. It was between Serbia and Europe. This must tell you that Serbia is still the country to be asked if any new resolutions are to take place and important to get agreement from."

Really? If Albanians said we accept partition it would be solved in a day bu we don't. EU will try to reach an agreement, if not they will move anyway like on February 17th. Russia is the only one supporting Serbia and for that Serbia has paid a huge price, literally, by giving Nis away and having its gas prices skyrocket.

Don't worry (or don't start celebrating yet) no one will shoot NATO soldiers, they are not behaving like the Serb ones.

roberto

pre 15 godina

"as for "roberto" who still wants to make us believe he´s not albanian and lives in "frisco":

honey, when will you learn that the inhabitants of that truly beautiful west-coast-city HATE to hear someone call their city "frisco"?"

oh my god, jovan, i had no idea you were such an expert on the th sensibilities of the residents of san francisco... and just how long have you lived here, "honey"??

actually, like many others, i was not BORN here, as i have written a number of times, assuming you actually read (what i write.) i was born in detroit (where were you born -- somehere ethnically "pure" i hope)-- and moved out here in the very late 70s. quite a happening time, right after harvey milk and the mayor were assassinated (the film MILK is coming out this month, and should be quite incredible.)

but "honey," as for this bizarre obsession of yours and a few other nationalists that i don't live in Frisco, just what is that all about? would it somehow de-legitimize my POV if i lived in pristina, podujevo, or full time in sarajevo? or perhaps in yr beloved belgrade? i travel as much as i can and to all of those places; does that make it better or worse?

or is it an issue of my nationality/ethnicity/religion which some of you are obviously so obsessed with? so, i'm just pretending to be jewish?? and actually i am muslim?? greek orthodox? who in god's name would come to a "serbian" site and pretend they are jewish, when jews, how shall i put it, are not exactly cherished here, not to mention throughout much of the world?

i mean i know, it is obvious, that serbs of the diaspora take on anglicized names and report that they are from ireland or australia or wherever. maybe they are and maybe who cares.

so jovan, "honey", i suggest that you spend a little less energy attacking yr perceived opponents, and a little more trying to fix yr not so perfect country.

robert0
happyfrisco

rolerkoster

pre 15 godina

Kosovo Albanians are gullible to think that they actually have a say in this matter. This whole conflict is between the West and Serbia. (mark gregory clayter, 8 November 2008 17:53)

my comment (nr.4) - in which I referred directly to you - was cencored by B92. the words - which were left - were only those which are in favour of Serbs. what's that, B92?? hatress paroles and humiliating comments like the one of Mark Gregory Clayter are welcome and published 1:1 - and the sentence, that there are TWO state-like states at the same time at the territory - this is censored ?? what's that ??

Jovan

pre 15 godina

"Jovan,

As you can see his comments alone (if you take them seriously at all) are those of an Albanian."

I know, it is just too obvious, but the simple fact that he still beleive to be in the position to fool others here is just too funny.

it says a lot about him, I´d say.

I cannot say it any clearer, since our dear censors would cut it out...

Albanez

pre 15 godina

>>>>>>> EULEX deployment does worry me. Even if it says it is status neutral it means nothing. Res. 1244 has not been adhered to so why should this agreement be adhered to. All EU wants is to get a foot in the door (especially the north) and implement what they will. Who is going to stop them when they start. Nobody did anything about Res. 1244 being totally ignored.

and that's why they 'agreed to Serbia's demands' but then at least England, France, US and Germany said no.

>>>>>>>"As for the Albanians, surely you can see now that you have no independence. Nobody negotiated with you on this one. It was between Serbia and Europe. This must tell you that Serbia is still the country to be asked if any new resolutions are to take place and important to get agreement from."

Really? If Albanians said we accept partition it would be solved in a day bu we don't. EU will try to reach an agreement, if not they will move anyway like on February 17th. Russia is the only one supporting Serbia and for that Serbia has paid a huge price, literally, by giving Nis away and having its gas prices skyrocket.

Don't worry (or don't start celebrating yet) no one will shoot NATO soldiers, they are not behaving like the Serb ones.

roberto

pre 15 godina

'Serbia would be more than happy to solve her own problems without your "help".'

Sorry, dear peggy, we've seen how serbia solves her prolems without the world's "help." thanks, but no thanks!

roberto
happyfrisco

roberto

pre 15 godina

"as for "roberto" who still wants to make us believe he´s not albanian and lives in "frisco":

honey, when will you learn that the inhabitants of that truly beautiful west-coast-city HATE to hear someone call their city "frisco"?"

oh my god, jovan, i had no idea you were such an expert on the th sensibilities of the residents of san francisco... and just how long have you lived here, "honey"??

actually, like many others, i was not BORN here, as i have written a number of times, assuming you actually read (what i write.) i was born in detroit (where were you born -- somehere ethnically "pure" i hope)-- and moved out here in the very late 70s. quite a happening time, right after harvey milk and the mayor were assassinated (the film MILK is coming out this month, and should be quite incredible.)

but "honey," as for this bizarre obsession of yours and a few other nationalists that i don't live in Frisco, just what is that all about? would it somehow de-legitimize my POV if i lived in pristina, podujevo, or full time in sarajevo? or perhaps in yr beloved belgrade? i travel as much as i can and to all of those places; does that make it better or worse?

or is it an issue of my nationality/ethnicity/religion which some of you are obviously so obsessed with? so, i'm just pretending to be jewish?? and actually i am muslim?? greek orthodox? who in god's name would come to a "serbian" site and pretend they are jewish, when jews, how shall i put it, are not exactly cherished here, not to mention throughout much of the world?

i mean i know, it is obvious, that serbs of the diaspora take on anglicized names and report that they are from ireland or australia or wherever. maybe they are and maybe who cares.

so jovan, "honey", i suggest that you spend a little less energy attacking yr perceived opponents, and a little more trying to fix yr not so perfect country.

robert0
happyfrisco

johny

pre 15 godina

Can you please explain to me how we are gonna get the sympathy of the west if we kill UN soldiers, since the west is part of the UN also? How did you come to such an illuminated conclusion that the West will sympathize with US if we kill their people from one mission, and thus to reward us and punish the Serbs they will send their people again but in another mission.

Also can you please remind me about the negotiation process the west had with Serbia when they recognized Kosova's independence.
These countries that are gonna bring their sons in Kosova do not want them to get hurt. Who can hurt them? The Serbs in Mitrovica can, because they've been fed these fairy tales by Belgrade that EULEX is bad for them and they should fear them.
Albanians want EULEX there without conditions. EULEX has no problems to their security when it comes to us. These countries saved us from Serb terror and they recognized our independence. So what do EULEX countries do to protect their sons? They go to the fairly tale creators in Belgrade, and talk them down and tell them to stop telling fairly tales and tell their co-nationals in north Mitrovica to cool down cuz EULEX is no the evil.

I am willing to make a bet with you. EULEX will be all over Kosova whether Serbia agrees or not. If not EULEX a mission made of everybody but Greece, Slovakia, Cyprus and Spain.

mark gregory clayter

pre 15 godina

Kosovo Albanians are gullible to think that they actually have a say in this matter. This whole conflict is between the West and Serbia.

HE WHO SPEAKS THE TRUTH

pre 15 godina

The albanian side may not have a choice in the matter. If this deal has been struck like i said it has already then both sides have to grin and bear it because if not then you can kiss the 1 billion euros good by and off to the EU goes Serbia for playing the game.

dd

pre 15 godina

Wake up,

USA and NATO try to bribe Serbia - to enter the North of the province (by the way they will succeed)and they can't do that without Serbia approval, BUT for so-called Kosova government - nobody ask them - but they don't understand it -US and NATO didn't start "humanitarian bombing" to help Kosovars(just another WMD style case to start the agression and build bombing style "real democracy") - They did and they will make Kosovo their state as planned with Kosovars as pizza -HUT kids store managers - just to feel as they are important.

rolerkoster

pre 15 godina

As for EULEX, I think, it can only be "status neutral" in the conflict between Serbia and Kosovo, while both will remain, what they were and what they are: enemies existing on the same territory.

As for the EU, I think, there will be never found a common sense for to integrate such a territory. as long as Serbia claims this status, there will be no change, even not on the long run.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

As a tax payer within the EU, I don't see that my money is being well spnet on either side with both sides bickering like little kids. It doesn't create a flattering view of your respective cultures for outside observers.
(Jim Boles, 8 November 2008 23:06)

Jim, if you are so unhappy about your money going to solve/inflame "petty squabbles", then please take that up with your government. There is nothing Serbia can do to prevent your government sticking it's nose where it's not wanted. Serbia would be more than happy to solve her own problems without your "help".

EULEX deployment does worry me. Even if it says it is status neutral it means nothing. Res. 1244 has not been adhered to so why should this agreement be adhered to. All EU wants is to get a foot in the door (especially the north) and implement what they will. Who is going to stop them when they start. Nobody did anything about Res. 1244 being totally ignored.

As for the Albanians, surely you can see now that you have no independence. Nobody negotiated with you on this one. It was between Serbia and Europe. This must tell you that Serbia is still the country to be asked if any new resolutions are to take place and important to get agreement from.

I wonder what you intend to do about this. I cannot see what you can except to start killing UN soldiers to spark sympathy from the west like you did when you started killing Serbian officials to get a response from Milosevic.

Jim Boles

pre 15 godina

So, looking at this from a rank outsider's point of view, let me see if I have this right;

The K-Serbs see EULEX as a tool of the devil intent only on shoring up the breakaway K-Alb state.

Whereas...

The K-Albs see EULEX as a tool of the devil intent only on shoring up the opressive former K-Serb state.

And the guys at Vetevendosje
see everyone as part of some strange conspiracy to control the entire world.

I have to say that I wonder if the people who come purely to do the teaching and training etc for the judges and cops etc will ever have a chance to pass on anything at all...

I understand that history appears to have set you guys at each other's throats but surely it's time for both sides to just move on without the constant bickering.

As a tax payer within the EU, I don't see that my money is being well spnet on either side with both sides bickering like little kids. It doesn't create a flattering view of your respective cultures for outside observers.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

well, it´s really interesting, since the level of pathologic denial of reality among our dear albanian friends is amazing.

don´t you see what it going on? what has to happen until you see that you are being duped? the occupiers are temporarily taking care of you, but the ( international ) legal status stays just as it is: UNSC 1244 confirms it.

so all that is left for you is the usual blah blah about " a done deal" and "a new country" ...but in effect, you have no say, my dear friends.

as for "roberto" who still wants to make us believe he´s not albanian and lives in "frisco":

honey, when will you learn that the inhabitants of that truly beautiful west-coast-city HATE to hear someone call their city "frisco"?

and finally to Albanez:
Nato-soldiers not behaving like serbian soldiers? now, what kind of joke is that?

nato-soldiers bombed hospitals and schools because they couldn´t manage to even find tanks and military hardware... they are VERY different from serbian ones!

they are just similar to albanian terrorist, who bomb churches (!) and monasteries (!) which are known to be sacred objects all over the civilized world...
only our dear k-albanian friends don´t seem to have realized that yet.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Johnny, Albanians have killed their own in order to make it look like Serbs killed them and made all the trouble. They are very likely to turn on NATO if things go sour.

I was actually being sarcastic about getting sympathy from the west if they kill NATO soldiers. I know that if they do that and they identify who fired on them there will be no sympathy but if it is a small incident it could be covered up and blamed on the Serbs initially, just like many other bogus killings like Racak massacre. Now we all know that was staged. General Lewis MacKenzie said so back in May during a forum in Montreal, along with Ambassador Bisset.

I know you will claim now that General MacKenzie is a liar and all the others who have exposed this lie of yours and many others.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

@roberto:

my dear, you don´t have to live in SanFran to know that that calling it "Frisco" is near to an insult to many inhabitants, no matter whether they are born there or just living there.

I don´t have to say this, but in order to calm you down: I have been to San Francisco, I have several friends there, and that´s all you have to know.

as for me, and since you are asking for it: I was born in an ethnically mixed city, and have friends among all ethnicities, that should not be necessary to mention,but as it seems to be important to you, this ethnical purity-thing... I hope that furthermore you won´t ask for such a nonsense. just for your info: Serbia is one of the most multiethnic states at all, so there is no ethnical purity in Serbia at all.

the problem is not about Albanian ethnicity, but about SOME mislead Albanians who dream of grabbing something that was never theirs to carve out their sick dream of a "natural Albania".

only in the temporarily occupied southern serbian province, the Albanians are trying to create ethnic purity, as you certainly know...

but, being an Albanian, you should know that very well.

and yet something else my dear - jewish readers or writers are of course welcome here - Serbia is one of the few countries where the jewish population never suffered of any pogroms at all.

while the Serbs were showing solidarity with the Jews, and even had to suffer from the same aggressors, the Albanians chose to side with those Aggressors, just take a look into history-books, my dear.

but, one thing I can tell you: you are right, I don´t read your comments with much care, since I have learned that your comments are not to be taken seriously.

you may go on writing about your "american" surrounding and "frisco"... but you should know that nobody believes you.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 15 godina

you may go on writing about your "american" surrounding and "frisco"... but you should know that nobody believes you.
(Jovan, 10 November 2008 08:55)

Jovan,

As you can see his comments alone (if you take them seriously at all) are those of an Albanian. I have been to SanFran myself and I have never ever heard any of its natives refer to it as 'frisco'. Secondly I have never heard of a Jewish guy called 'roberto'.

So to sum it up, this 'roberto' dude like 'michael clayter' (never heard of that name either)are more phonies and fakes.

However folks, we can be safe in the knowledge that what is genuine is the rule of international law - Helsinki Agreement and UN Resolution 1244 which enshrines Serbia's sovereignty over all its territory which includes the AP's of Vojvodina and Kosmet.

Beware of cheap imitations!!, 'roberto', 'michael clayter' and the 'republic of kosova'.

rolerkoster

pre 15 godina

Kosovo Albanians are gullible to think that they actually have a say in this matter. This whole conflict is between the West and Serbia. (mark gregory clayter, 8 November 2008 17:53)

my comment (nr.4) - in which I referred directly to you - was cencored by B92. the words - which were left - were only those which are in favour of Serbs. what's that, B92?? hatress paroles and humiliating comments like the one of Mark Gregory Clayter are welcome and published 1:1 - and the sentence, that there are TWO state-like states at the same time at the territory - this is censored ?? what's that ??

jovial john

pre 15 godina

FriscoBob said: "Sorry, dear peggy, we've seen how serbia solves her prolems without the world's "help." thanks, but no thanks!"
Bobby, I wonder exactly how you would rank you beloved America's ability to solve their problems without the World's help?
I seem to recall a wavering and weak number 1 priority war being waged in a country that never actually did anything to yours. I also have the stick poking me and reminding me that your tyrancial leader simply had to abandon the number 1 war to finish off what his father couldn't. Can you justify that actions of your beloved USofA even from your GoldenGate BaySide veranda while drinking your latte and thinking that everything is great and golden in SF?
Recardless of whether you live in SF, are Jewish, Albianian, Irish or Mogadishian, you have demonstrated time and time again that you hold a very strong bias against a peoples that you have no reason to dislike, unless you have a heritage within the Balkans? I also ask you how you can justify your Jewish heritage's actions in the "HolyLand" by ethnically cleansing the Palestinians out of Palestine? Or as an American, how can you justify that your people ethnically cleansed an approximate 20 million native Americans, the original owners and occupiers of the land you live on? And once that was done, your wondeful American goverment took 5 states from Mexico, one that you live in infact. How can you live with yourself? As an American Jew living in San Francisco, you are living on top of rivers of blood.
Maybe the Serbs were trying to imitate your peoples, whomever they are... shouldn't you accept someone who is imitating you? After all, imitation is the highest form of flatterly honey

Jovan

pre 15 godina

"Jovan,

As you can see his comments alone (if you take them seriously at all) are those of an Albanian."

I know, it is just too obvious, but the simple fact that he still beleive to be in the position to fool others here is just too funny.

it says a lot about him, I´d say.

I cannot say it any clearer, since our dear censors would cut it out...