"300 hostages had organs removed"

Just yesterday 3 people were arrested for organ harvesting and one of them was indicated as a doctor that performed surgeries on missing Serbs in albania.And here we have albanians trying to justify horrid acts instead of reading their own papers.

Judging by the comments already posted here, it is clear that the Albanians and their supporters are in a state of deep denial. It's no wonder that Kosovo is a complete basket case with rampant corruption and criminality. Until these people come clean on KLA and other Albanian atrocities, Kosovo will continue to sink deeper into the mire.

Ok I admit medicine is not my strong point but lots of things in his declaration make no sense.
Let us see:

1:
“”””He said that prisoners were prepared for operations inside the “yellow house”, but removed from there whenever international humanitarian missions like the Red Cross came by.”””

Now if there was a neuro-psychiatric clinic near by, what is the purpose of the yellow house?
Wouldn’t it make sense to keep the patients there to start with?
If they were moved, where were they moved to?

Also, now we have in the picture the clinic. Why?
We know why: It is because the “yellow house used for operations” story does not hold water any more.
So, ….we add a clinic to it. Nice.
What is going to be next, another clinic 40km away?

2:
Secondly, they were removed from there whenever humanitarian mission came by!!!!
Come on Mr Vekaric, if you are going to say something think before you say it.

3:
They found medical equipment inside the yellow house (yes the infamous yellow house again).
If there was a KLA camp as it is said, could there be a remote possibility (if they are found) that the equipment was used for KLA wounded fighters??

Finally Mr. Vekaric: If your team is so good at gathering information’s on a different country how does it come that your team is utterly useless in gathering information’s on missing Kosovo Albanians in Serbia. They are all around you Mr. Vekaric. Tell me Mr. Vekaric, how far is Batajnica from your office?
You know Mr. Vekaric what is the most annoying part of all this?
The most annoying part is that the sole purpose of this action by Serbia is political.
It has absolutely nothing to do with any victims.
Keep repeating the lie Mr. Vekaric with the hope that somebody will believe it.

Well blero and Albanians,

The one does not have to be medical expert to understand how easily an organ can be harvested. Since you prefer to live in denial I will tell you something about organ harvesting.

Shall we begin from the place where the operations were performed? Clearly, the prosecutor said that operations were performed in the Building 320 which is some 20 km away from yellow house. Furthermore, that building 320 is psychiatric clinic which is used as a camp for prisoners as well as KLA camp.

There is nothing strange in statement that prisoners were prepared for operations in the yellow house. Perhaps there were not adequate conditions in psychiatric clinic since there are certain procedures that must be undertaken on order to perform this type of operation. It is called per-opeartive preparation.

Now, when we sorted out this, should we continue with the next step in explanation? Had you bothered a bit to read carefully the article, you would understand better what the prosecutor has said and realise that he speaks logically.

Now, in order to perform this kind of operation, all you need is one improvised OR-operational room, or specifically operational theatre. But let’s speak about improvised operational rooms, since in this case professional and well equipped operational theatres or rooms are not from any importance.

All what one improvised operational room should have is anaesthesia monitor, the basic one since all what is needed is to keep patient supplied with oxygen during the operation in order to keep organ in right condition. The one with a bit of experience with anaesthesia will perform this. After all, the victims were meant to die in the end, certainly not to survive. Who needs good anaesthesiologists when it comes to criminal activities in organ trafficking.

Second thing which is needed is just a basic surgical operational set. The surgeon (experienced one) can easily remove the organs with basic surgical set.

The most important thing during the entire process is to apply and maintain anti-septic rules in order to avoid contamination with bacteria. This is not that complicated and of course, organ must be removed in right way.

The most devastating fact is denial by Albanian posters over here. I must say it is pretty sad that none of you here have expressed a slightest suspect for the KLA’s deeds. Instead, you decided to doubt prosecutor Vekaric’s words and findings. Perhaps, it is too difficult to face the fact that your leaders are just criminals involved in worst criminal activates of mankind.

If this is propaganda then what exactly happened to these innocent civillians? Where are their dead bodies?

If this is Serbian propaganda, then why was is that the biggest "Anti-Serb" the lead prosecutor in Yugoslav War crimes tribunal Carla Delponte was the one who originally reported it??? and no matter who's side of the story you want to believe i think that forensic science will prove or disprove what really happened. A crime like this could not be covered up. If just one DROP of DNA is found at the site in question of a missing Serbian/Non-Albanian civilian people will have to answer for these crimes. The truth always finds its way out, and those that hide behind lies cannot hide forever. Justice will catch up to all eventually.

mr blero ,you said that you are not an export medical isues ,well thats true but mr vekarices investigation is going very well and getting closer to the truth about albanian ,kla or what ever you like to call yourselves for the type of crime that this is cutting organs out of healthy individuals as opposed to being killed during a war,sir,,,,,,,cccc

As long as there is no evidence everything else is Serbian propaganda Milosevic style. Instead, why don’t we focus on something more tangible, thousands of missing K-Albanians in Serbia, locations are known.

dear friends,
As a doctor I am disgusted with this allegation for illegal organ removal, the allegations become more serious considering the fact that the supposed victims are "kidnapped" so called enemy citizens.
As an Albanian I wish this allegations could be clarified as soon as possible and I hope that it will be.
As an Albanian psychiatrist I have to declare with full responsibility that there are just 4 psychiatric clinics in Albania and all of them are not closer than 150 km from the *accused* area.
Personally I really don't believe that such thing has happened but I support further investigations for the sake of truth and justice.

Piece is the continuation of the war with other means Mr Vekaric. Unable to use the weapons you're using the propaganda.
I don't know if or how you'll achieve the goal to show that Albanians are criminals but you are trying hard to show that we all are the same. You don't show facts but opinions.

What after that? Wouldn't it be better to look at the future? Are you?

I am sure its all just propaganda. These people were carrying donor cards. Lets get a grip on reality shall we. Ofcourse it is hard to accept that these atrocities took place and to carry that moral burden forever. Having said that, it would be much worse to put the blinkers on, sweep the whole thing under the carpet and pretend it never happened. For the sake of the victims and their families justice should and will prevail.

you are trying hard to show that we all are the same.
(gjon cima, 6 November 2008 12:27)
what on earth are you talking about?

As HRW and other instances have repeatedly said 'there are unfortunately gravely evidences that organ trafficking took place', we don't debate that fact so much anymore.
Mr. Vekaric, what you've said here we already know.But now we need some proofs to start off the case.One way to do that (after Albania refused to cooperate) is what V.Vukcevic have announced to let UN know about the obstacles in setting off the investigation on Albanian soil.
So lets think what can can we do next: spreading the word in a meantime and requesting from the EU and UN to help on the case.

This will be the last propaganda/lie before Serbia informally recognises Kosovo.

To me this is equal to kissing the winds. The world knows Serbian hypocracy now... so expect no surprises.

We don't know what will crawl out of this closet. Maybe nothing, maybe a case. Accusations are heavy and will certainly turn against Serbs if nothing can be proven.

I wish these crimes have not been committed. There has been enough of brutality and suffering even without them.

But, gjon cima, you just can't ask what you ask: "Wouldn't it be better to look at the future?"

The whole Kosovo independency project has been fueled with looking into history. Day after day. Kosovo Albanians have gone so far back as the 8th century...

We have information on that "camp" where 299 hostages so since Mr Vekaric said 300, a sharp number, could be that one of hostages' guard have removed his heart himself to make it 300 even. What a tale! My dear friend, "Yellow" house is in Beograd where even now they are fabricating not only tale like this, but maybe some other horror scenario like Action Plan. This is to have such neighbor, working day and night, making “Action plan” to make neighbors life miserable. Oh God!

The serb government should stop its fabrications and propaganda concerning this alleged organs' market. It simply did not exist and it is 100% made up from the very beginning.
Stop trying to turn the argument around, it is Milosevic and his paramilitaries who killed and massacred albanians, not the other way around.
All you are doing by this is creating more hatred in the balkans.
I also blame B92 for stressing this issue so much, because I though you guys were seeking out the truth, not just mopping up all types of nonsense that the government throws at you. I though you were better than that.

If B92 should be blamed for stressing this issue too much as one commentator puts it maybe it would be an idea to air one's views on an Albanian site which I am sure would be far more unbiased and objective. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit but sometimes it is unavoidable.

The fact that Serbia continues to keep up this aggressive propaganda campaign against its neighbors, by making up lies and machinations based on fantasy and not a shred of credible evidence, demonstrates that it is very far from being a democratic or a progressive state. Serbia is not a state that is interested in peace and reconciliation, but rather one that thrives in conflict and incitement of hate and ethnic bigotry. Serbia is not a state that is interested in justice, because if it was it would have released the details of the civilian hostages it took from Kosova during the war and return their bodies to the grieving families.
So, for all those that like to present the likes of Tadic, and Jeremic as some sort of democrats, only these simple facts show their true nature. They are just as criminal as Milosevic, and they are certainly following his policies and objectives in different conditions. 9 years after the war, Tadic still doesn't have the slightest human decency to return the bodies of hostages back to their families, and the hordes of war criminals and mass murderers that killed 10 thousand civilians in Kosova are still walking free in Serbia, under the protection of Tadic's so called "democratic" state.

Noel @22. A doctor would most cetainly be able to write a better piece than what you have written. For a start, no capital letters used where should be. Can't blame that on lack of English as the same rules apply in every language.
I seriously doubt that you are a doctor. Anyone can proclaim to be anyone here but in order to be convincing you must be able to write a reasonable piece at least.

Why don't we just sit back and let the investigation go ahead. If it turns out to be nothing then you can start with your "Seriban propaganda" routine again.

I wonder why Albania is refusing to cooperate. If as you say, there are no facilities like the ones mentioned there, it should be relatively easy to dismiss as lies.

How can it be believed that all this is true while there was not found single evidence? All I read here about organs transplantation resembles to some horror fiction novels or movies. What happened with those dead bodies after their organs were taken off? OK, you want to believe that K-Albanians, or KLA were such organized so they vanished all these bodies in perfect way??? As an Albanian it is hard to believe that they were able to do that.
On the other hand, all those organs should have been transplanted to some people who are alive today. If it happened, I do not believe all those organs were transplanted to Albanians, and it is hard to believe that all those organs went to black or criminal market, and a single evidence was not found yet.

For Paggy @24. As I see Nel @22 just wants to bring some evidences about those psychiatric clinics in Albania, and all you want to prove here is that he does not look like a doctor, and his English is poor. Does it have to do anything with the topic we are discussing here? Pleas do not reply to me saying that my English is not good as well because I know that. It is not true that Albania is refusing to cooperate. Albania was and is very open about that, but cooperation does not mean they have to agree with Serbia since there were not found evidences that human organs were transplanted. Do you think Albania should support Serbian propaganda?
This is very delicate topic, and as Albanian I will feel very bad, a shame, if it was true, but I strongly believe that this is a lie because there are not evidences for that. Del Ponte should do investigation and bring evidences when she had the power to do that. It is not honest at all to mention that for the first time in her book. It looks like she only cares how to make some money by selling the book, some dirty money playing with feelings of people who lost their lovely ones during that war.

"If this is propaganda then what exactly happened to these innocent civillians? Where are their dead bodies?"

If this is propaganda then what exactly happened to these 2000 Albanian innocent civillians still missing ? Where are their dead bodies? Did Serbs do the thing they're falsely accusing Albanians of doing? Where are their dead bodies Ratko?

The details of this grisly atrocity are slowly coming out & will no doubt continue to do so - is only a matter of time.

Meanwhile, those who support the K-albanian's will continue their denials - attempting to shift the focus back to the war during the 90's, all the while downplaying the events since then when they've had the upper hand in Kosovo - such as this probable murder for profit via organ transplant, a widescale pogrom against minorities in 2004 & a thousand other incidents of harassment & violence.

And this forms the foundation of what some would call the 'republic of Kosovo'.


'Olf' said:
> Instead, why don’t we focus on something more tangible, thousands of missing K-Albanians in Serbia, locations are known.

Believe you brought this point up not so long ago when you referred to the number as over 2000, as do 'Noel' & 'Pavaresi' above, & as has been referred to by others before.

Is a perfect example of the constant campaign of misdirection & lies K-albanians have been engaged in ever since all this kicked off.

The truth however is otherwise.

Book of the Missing for Kosovo put out by the ICRC as of last year puts the number of missing at 2047, which is probably the source of the propaganda above.

Truth however is that this number 2047 includes over 500 serbs as well as smaller numbers of other minorities. And the up to 300 referred to in the article above are part of this total.

And the KLA was notorious for targeting K-albanians whom they considered to be 'collaborators' of Milosevic's regime & so are no doubt responsible for part of the remaining 1500 or so missing K-albanians.

And some of those missing 1500 are no doubt just that - missing & not dead - as there is no shortage of criminals in Kosovo who might want to take advantage of the chaos in the 90's to 'disappear'.

That 'Olf', 'Noel', 'Pavaresi' etc is the truth of the matter.


Noel:
See above. And as regards 'expertise in organ trafficking', seems it is K-albanians who have it & not serbs - see http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=54804


Adrian Gashi:
Attempting to taint the current democratically elected government in Serbia with the excesses of Milosevic's regime is pathetic & transparent.

Look to your own leaders in pristina - they are the ones who were members of the KLA back in it's infancy - when it was labelled as a terrorist organisation by officials of the US state department.

Your own so-called prime minister is by definition, an ex-terrorist.

In response to post no 20. Before making such sweeping statements and accusing the country of ethnic intolerance and bigotry it might be an idea to visit the country before commenting, then at least the judgment would be founded on facts rather than preconceived ideas. In actual fact there are numerous ethnic groups living in harmony in Serbia.My mother's neighbours are Croats and Albanians, normal people co-existing in the same close knit community. Funnily enough I have never witnessed any of their children having been police escorted to their local school which is the sorry fate of many a Serb family living in Kosovo.

Since they know this much about the Human organs and their demand in the black market I wonder whether they got this experience through tens of thousands of human remains found in Serbia on the past years-particularely since more thean 2000 Albanians are missing still.

Hi Peggy.
I am sorry to notice that your attention is focused on something very superficial. I did not intended to convince you about my language abilities, or to get credits in the forum using my profession. I must admit that according to my opinion the forum should work in a totally different direction. What I mean is that participants should contribute to clarifying and not accusing each - other based on national provenience. What we lack is cooperation and peace and we have plenty of conflicts and wars. In my contribution I just wanted to say that illegal organ harvesting is a disgusting crime and furthermore applied to kidnapped citizens independently from the country of origin. I also wanted to contribute modestly to the forum’s members investigation :)))) adding some facts (that by the way are very contradictory till now) that might help in their new Sherlock Holmes adventure. I am personally very interested that the truth comes up as soon and as complete as possible. Not because KLA (Albanians) might be involved and I feel ashamed or responsible since I am Albanian. I feel responsible only for my deeds and actions my dear friend. I wish justice and truth prevails because is the only way to calm soul and heal pain.
My doubts about the version till now made public are not based on my conviction that all Albanians are good and all Serbs are evil, are not based in my conviction that Albanians can not be involved in such crimes because I believe that crime does not have nationality, but based in some facts that involve medical technical specifications including yellow house use, psychiatric clinic 20 km from the yellow house and the real possibility to have such organized organ trafficking in an area that really lacks (especially in 1999)the minimum infrastructure for such medical intervention. I must insist and clarify that organ harvesting would need aseptic operation theatre which during those difficult years for Albania was very difficult to be a reality even in university hospital center in in Tirana.
To give you some more information about the available mental health services in Albania I am offering to all members in the forum to read this document (I am one of the authors) http://www.who.int/mental_health/albania_who_aims_report1a.pdf
You just open a map of Albania and find out where this cities are.
Anyway, I want to make one more point addressed to all contributors. I wonder how much willing would they be to write comments on this article http://www.france24.com/en/20081104-honeymoon-serbia-albania-with-first-joint-film
if B92 would write about it. Its an article that transmits hope for better future between our nations.
I hope that my English fulfilled your standards (I spell checked it :)) and the content of my contribution today fulfils your expectations for doctors.
Friendly wishes,
Neli

all i see here is people bouncing their hatreds back and forth. You all know who you are and do not claim to be virtuous. The propaganda machine has now been employed by both sides now and it is a tragic mess that you've all made in that part of the world.
I hear the K-Albania contingency defending their natioanlity by claiming that there was no chance that any K-Albania individuals would be capable of commit such horrible acts, while at the same time seemingly flattly brushing the milosevic tarnish on all serbs. The K-Albanians also point out that instead of Serb's looking into this act, searching for the truth, that they should stop, because nothing happened, and look for the missingK-Albanians that are Serbia with such conviction, so far as to suggest that the writer infact knows the locations of these missing peoples.
On the other side, the Serb delegation simply keeps poking and proding the K-Albanias, pushing on this issue of Organ Harvesting, and the issues of Thaci and CO. and their involvments in overall outcome of the Kosovo situation. The Serbs clearly feel that the K-Albanian propaganda should be met with their own propaganda, and that the K-Albanian wrong doers should be held accountable as were the Serb wrong doers.
At the end of the day, there is a small percentage of every nation, over ethnicity, every religious group that is extreme. During a war, a very extreme scenario, extremists work their way to the top. If both groups admit to the truths without trying to force propogandised truths down the throats of the other side then peace could arrive in the Balkans, these issue could be resolved, but if they keep going down this road, nothing will get settled, and there will be a point in the future where extremisms will resurface its ugly head.
All sides should be free to investigate what it feels were commited wrongs. All sides should stop trying to drum up these old pains for political purposes, and just deal with them internally with the injured parties involved. This can happen if the barriers in the way are removed. You must understand, that when there is an artificial barrier, then people will make noise about it.

Mr. O'Donaghue:

What makes Kosovo/a so different than any other state to emerge from the remains of ex-Yu? Just the other day, I saw a story about how the murder of a prominent Croatian journalist and his colleague(sorry, but I don't recall their names off hand) is strongly suspected of having been ordered from Montenegro -- quite possibly because of the long-running investigation by Italian authorities into the cigarette smuggling ring of which Milo Djukanovic himself is strongly suspected of having been a key member. And I'm sorry, but given your Irish surname, I am quite hesitant to believe that you're well-enough acquainted with the facts on the ground to be able to knowledgably weigh in on this subject.

The fact is, there is probably NO ONE posting to this site who truly knows the facts surrounding this case. Let the authorities investigate and in the meantime, hope that justice is done in the end...just like with all the other atrocious things that happened ALL OVER ex-Yu in the 1990s and early 2000s (in the case of Macedonia).

OMG where are you trying to go with that ancient thinking.
It's ridiculus because there is no names.
Wondering now where are you going to get all 300 names of so-called organ victims. Although I haven't been there I know there was a clinic but permited to operate only not serious wounds that KLA soldiers suffered at the border while fighting serbian forces.
However the serious wounded KLA soldiers were sent south to Tirana Hospital.

Please stop these kind of ridiculus comments Mr. Prosecutor because there is no evidence of such thing.

Once again I repeat don't mix dirty war with the clean one.

No one is going to believe your made up stories simply because they are bunch of lies.

I beg your pardon for one mistake since I posted a link of the shorter version of one report wher cities with mental health facilities are not mentioned but only data about those facilities. You could consult this other link to know location
http://seemhp.ba/index.php?com=country&id=1
best wishes,
Neli

Denial Denial Denial... Yes the Serbs removed their own organs. they are definately to blame..

Podujevo massacre was also propaganda

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/balkans/crimesandcourage.html

The march 2004 riots was also propaganda..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3553837.stm

We all know who are the king of the spinsters in the Balkans.. Racak comes to mind.. now thats what i call propaganda in order justify illegal means of force..

http://arirusila.cafebabel.com/en/post/2008/10/20/High-pressure-to-fabricate-Racak-reports

If you look at the above in logical form you will realise that Albanian crimes are supported and Serb crimes are not.. hence Serb progaganda is irrelevant where as Albanian is relevant to their cause....

the Battle of Košare is a good example of this.. perfetic perfetic perfetic and inhumane..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2697219212819574923

The Albanians dont have the means to fight their own battles..

Get the message?

And the ignorance of some sickens me.. their were people arrested regarding he organ harvesting... WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND???

Can somebody from the Serbian camp find an article that introduces a succesful liver transplant.
What kind of stupid propoganda are we dealing with here!?

It is unbelievable how the same persons here, serbs and albanians, don't stop accusing each other. By reading the comments of Serbs, it seems like Blero or pavaresia are responsable for the difficult life of Serbs in Kosovo. And the same, reading the koments of Albanians, it seems like the responsable for the 2000 Albanians disappeared are Jovan, or Peggy etc. Do you know why I don't belive mister prosecutor? For the same reason like Neli. You my dear friends,both, from Serbia and from Kosovo, don't have any clue how the infrastructure of medicine and anything else have been in Albania up to 3 years ago. I can assure you, it was terrible. And in the rural, or remote areas like the one mentioned by mr. Prosecutor, it is still inexcistente. And there is another thing I would like to know: Where are these evidences coming from, if the Albanian Prosecutor didn't give permission to conduct investigations to the Serbian counterpart? As for my oppinion, I am not affraid from the investigations, because only them will stop the rumors and gossips. I have to tell you my friends that I have treveled accross the Ballkans. The first foreign city I have visited has been Belgrade, and I have loved its beauty, and I have had a wonderful time there. I will never forget Kalemegdan, Trg Republike, Plato Centar etc. I will never forget the moment when, trying to order tea to the waiter of a small bar that couldn't understand English, I said desperate to my friend in Albanian - What should we say to him to have some çaj? And than the waiter said, A, çaj - ok. And than we understand that there was not only the word çaj we had in common. We have so much in common, because we are Ballkan, and before asking to enter EU, we have to make our own union, Balkan Union. It is not impossible. At least for the visa. To mr. Prosecutor I would say to make what is in his power to find the truth. But if he knows that there isn't any true in this story, than just stop. We need peace. I would like to go again in Serbia in the future, but without visa. And Albania has beautiful beaches, come and visit it. There are also Orthodox Churches in Albania. And it would be beautiful if for some saint's feast like Saint George, or Saint Petka Albanian Orthodox and Serbs could celebrate togetherby Serbs and Albanians. And so many other things. We should not think any more what divide us, but what values we have in common. At least, this is the future I want, and the one I teach to my students at the University

Too much ado for nothing. To me all this story proves only one thing; the serbian persecuter has made a wrong decision in choosing his career. He could have been a screenwriter for the horror movies. How can you help not to be stunned! Mr V. is very talented indeed. My guts tell me that he would have made e fortune instead of a fool out of himself had he decidet to be a screenwriter. there is planty of stuff in Serbia to make thousand of horror movies. In case someone forgets I want to mention the trucks full of albanian childreen corpses dumbted in the rivers, massive grieves of inocent albanian and bosnian civilians around Beograde, raping camps...and the list can be very long. He sounds very talented indeed, but not that smart because justice can not be serve by employing a fictional approach.

Don't you have any doctor in serbia to explain you what an organ transplant needs?
First you need compatible patients: and complex test of HLA to see if the donnor and the receveur matche.Not possible in the fantastic yellow clinique,not even possible in albania and kosova,so you have to think for an another third developped country(serbia may be? and the logistic to have the blood stamples transported there)then you have to have permanent access to sterilewater and electricity,which is not the case in the yellow house,but let say we had ,hla compatible donnor and receveur,citerns of water and powerful electrogen group,so that our 2 patients can undergo safely(at least during the intervention) that surgery,you need trained nurses,and not general nurses like those of a psychiatric hospital,you need trained surgeon(sorry to tell you that but even in France,transplant surgery is done by a special team,and not the usual staff of surgeons of the hospitals),anesthesists etc...
But let's say that all this technical aspect is ok,and let admit that 300 serbs were killed for their organs .That means 600 kidneys,and 600patients throught the world who have got that surgery-in the yellow house or elsewhere in the world-So 600patients that were under dialysis for renal failure should have disappared from the listings of official centers where these patients were previously traited,don't you think?and 600patients disapparing from those controlled listings-unless you imagine that there is hidden dialysis center too, in albania waiting for a serbian organ.And you have to imagine the theses centers have not been surprised by the disparition of 600 patients from their listing and that their doktors around the world have not been surprised by this disparition,have not look why Mr x or Mr y,who was treated 3 times a week by his center , is not coming for his dialysis now and have not checked if he is dead or not...Do you imagine that all the nephrologs around the world are as stupid that they do not have noticed a boom of disparrition of their usual patients during that year?
600transplantations in one year is more than 1/3 the average french renaltransplant programm of the year!
So Do we have a brutal decrease of the dialysed patients during that year?Just look the official listings to see if your doubts are founded or not!

Ok I admit medicine is not my strong point but lots of things in his declaration make no sense.
Let us see:

1:
“”””He said that prisoners were prepared for operations inside the “yellow house”, but removed from there whenever international humanitarian missions like the Red Cross came by.”””

Now if there was a neuro-psychiatric clinic near by, what is the purpose of the yellow house?
Wouldn’t it make sense to keep the patients there to start with?
If they were moved, where were they moved to?

Also, now we have in the picture the clinic. Why?
We know why: It is because the “yellow house used for operations” story does not hold water any more.
So, ….we add a clinic to it. Nice.
What is going to be next, another clinic 40km away?

2:
Secondly, they were removed from there whenever humanitarian mission came by!!!!
Come on Mr Vekaric, if you are going to say something think before you say it.

3:
They found medical equipment inside the yellow house (yes the infamous yellow house again).
If there was a KLA camp as it is said, could there be a remote possibility (if they are found) that the equipment was used for KLA wounded fighters??

Finally Mr. Vekaric: If your team is so good at gathering information’s on a different country how does it come that your team is utterly useless in gathering information’s on missing Kosovo Albanians in Serbia. They are all around you Mr. Vekaric. Tell me Mr. Vekaric, how far is Batajnica from your office?
You know Mr. Vekaric what is the most annoying part of all this?
The most annoying part is that the sole purpose of this action by Serbia is political.
It has absolutely nothing to do with any victims.
Keep repeating the lie Mr. Vekaric with the hope that somebody will believe it.

Piece is the continuation of the war with other means Mr Vekaric. Unable to use the weapons you're using the propaganda.
I don't know if or how you'll achieve the goal to show that Albanians are criminals but you are trying hard to show that we all are the same. You don't show facts but opinions.

What after that? Wouldn't it be better to look at the future? Are you?

As long as there is no evidence everything else is Serbian propaganda Milosevic style. Instead, why don’t we focus on something more tangible, thousands of missing K-Albanians in Serbia, locations are known.

We have information on that "camp" where 299 hostages so since Mr Vekaric said 300, a sharp number, could be that one of hostages' guard have removed his heart himself to make it 300 even. What a tale! My dear friend, "Yellow" house is in Beograd where even now they are fabricating not only tale like this, but maybe some other horror scenario like Action Plan. This is to have such neighbor, working day and night, making “Action plan” to make neighbors life miserable. Oh God!

Since they know this much about the Human organs and their demand in the black market I wonder whether they got this experience through tens of thousands of human remains found in Serbia on the past years-particularely since more thean 2000 Albanians are missing still.

The serb government should stop its fabrications and propaganda concerning this alleged organs' market. It simply did not exist and it is 100% made up from the very beginning.
Stop trying to turn the argument around, it is Milosevic and his paramilitaries who killed and massacred albanians, not the other way around.
All you are doing by this is creating more hatred in the balkans.
I also blame B92 for stressing this issue so much, because I though you guys were seeking out the truth, not just mopping up all types of nonsense that the government throws at you. I though you were better than that.

We don't know what will crawl out of this closet. Maybe nothing, maybe a case. Accusations are heavy and will certainly turn against Serbs if nothing can be proven.

I wish these crimes have not been committed. There has been enough of brutality and suffering even without them.

But, gjon cima, you just can't ask what you ask: "Wouldn't it be better to look at the future?"

The whole Kosovo independency project has been fueled with looking into history. Day after day. Kosovo Albanians have gone so far back as the 8th century...

mr blero ,you said that you are not an export medical isues ,well thats true but mr vekarices investigation is going very well and getting closer to the truth about albanian ,kla or what ever you like to call yourselves for the type of crime that this is cutting organs out of healthy individuals as opposed to being killed during a war,sir,,,,,,,cccc

Well blero and Albanians,

The one does not have to be medical expert to understand how easily an organ can be harvested. Since you prefer to live in denial I will tell you something about organ harvesting.

Shall we begin from the place where the operations were performed? Clearly, the prosecutor said that operations were performed in the Building 320 which is some 20 km away from yellow house. Furthermore, that building 320 is psychiatric clinic which is used as a camp for prisoners as well as KLA camp.

There is nothing strange in statement that prisoners were prepared for operations in the yellow house. Perhaps there were not adequate conditions in psychiatric clinic since there are certain procedures that must be undertaken on order to perform this type of operation. It is called per-opeartive preparation.

Now, when we sorted out this, should we continue with the next step in explanation? Had you bothered a bit to read carefully the article, you would understand better what the prosecutor has said and realise that he speaks logically.

Now, in order to perform this kind of operation, all you need is one improvised OR-operational room, or specifically operational theatre. But let’s speak about improvised operational rooms, since in this case professional and well equipped operational theatres or rooms are not from any importance.

All what one improvised operational room should have is anaesthesia monitor, the basic one since all what is needed is to keep patient supplied with oxygen during the operation in order to keep organ in right condition. The one with a bit of experience with anaesthesia will perform this. After all, the victims were meant to die in the end, certainly not to survive. Who needs good anaesthesiologists when it comes to criminal activities in organ trafficking.

Second thing which is needed is just a basic surgical operational set. The surgeon (experienced one) can easily remove the organs with basic surgical set.

The most important thing during the entire process is to apply and maintain anti-septic rules in order to avoid contamination with bacteria. This is not that complicated and of course, organ must be removed in right way.

The most devastating fact is denial by Albanian posters over here. I must say it is pretty sad that none of you here have expressed a slightest suspect for the KLA’s deeds. Instead, you decided to doubt prosecutor Vekaric’s words and findings. Perhaps, it is too difficult to face the fact that your leaders are just criminals involved in worst criminal activates of mankind.

you are trying hard to show that we all are the same.
(gjon cima, 6 November 2008 12:27)
what on earth are you talking about?

I am sure its all just propaganda. These people were carrying donor cards. Lets get a grip on reality shall we. Ofcourse it is hard to accept that these atrocities took place and to carry that moral burden forever. Having said that, it would be much worse to put the blinkers on, sweep the whole thing under the carpet and pretend it never happened. For the sake of the victims and their families justice should and will prevail.

Judging by the comments already posted here, it is clear that the Albanians and their supporters are in a state of deep denial. It's no wonder that Kosovo is a complete basket case with rampant corruption and criminality. Until these people come clean on KLA and other Albanian atrocities, Kosovo will continue to sink deeper into the mire.

"If this is propaganda then what exactly happened to these innocent civillians? Where are their dead bodies?"

If this is propaganda then what exactly happened to these 2000 Albanian innocent civillians still missing ? Where are their dead bodies? Did Serbs do the thing they're falsely accusing Albanians of doing? Where are their dead bodies Ratko?

If B92 should be blamed for stressing this issue too much as one commentator puts it maybe it would be an idea to air one's views on an Albanian site which I am sure would be far more unbiased and objective. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit but sometimes it is unavoidable.

The fact that Serbia continues to keep up this aggressive propaganda campaign against its neighbors, by making up lies and machinations based on fantasy and not a shred of credible evidence, demonstrates that it is very far from being a democratic or a progressive state. Serbia is not a state that is interested in peace and reconciliation, but rather one that thrives in conflict and incitement of hate and ethnic bigotry. Serbia is not a state that is interested in justice, because if it was it would have released the details of the civilian hostages it took from Kosova during the war and return their bodies to the grieving families.
So, for all those that like to present the likes of Tadic, and Jeremic as some sort of democrats, only these simple facts show their true nature. They are just as criminal as Milosevic, and they are certainly following his policies and objectives in different conditions. 9 years after the war, Tadic still doesn't have the slightest human decency to return the bodies of hostages back to their families, and the hordes of war criminals and mass murderers that killed 10 thousand civilians in Kosova are still walking free in Serbia, under the protection of Tadic's so called "democratic" state.

This will be the last propaganda/lie before Serbia informally recognises Kosovo.

To me this is equal to kissing the winds. The world knows Serbian hypocracy now... so expect no surprises.

As HRW and other instances have repeatedly said 'there are unfortunately gravely evidences that organ trafficking took place', we don't debate that fact so much anymore.
Mr. Vekaric, what you've said here we already know.But now we need some proofs to start off the case.One way to do that (after Albania refused to cooperate) is what V.Vukcevic have announced to let UN know about the obstacles in setting off the investigation on Albanian soil.
So lets think what can can we do next: spreading the word in a meantime and requesting from the EU and UN to help on the case.

If this is Serbian propaganda, then why was is that the biggest "Anti-Serb" the lead prosecutor in Yugoslav War crimes tribunal Carla Delponte was the one who originally reported it??? and no matter who's side of the story you want to believe i think that forensic science will prove or disprove what really happened. A crime like this could not be covered up. If just one DROP of DNA is found at the site in question of a missing Serbian/Non-Albanian civilian people will have to answer for these crimes. The truth always finds its way out, and those that hide behind lies cannot hide forever. Justice will catch up to all eventually.

dear friends,
As a doctor I am disgusted with this allegation for illegal organ removal, the allegations become more serious considering the fact that the supposed victims are "kidnapped" so called enemy citizens.
As an Albanian I wish this allegations could be clarified as soon as possible and I hope that it will be.
As an Albanian psychiatrist I have to declare with full responsibility that there are just 4 psychiatric clinics in Albania and all of them are not closer than 150 km from the *accused* area.
Personally I really don't believe that such thing has happened but I support further investigations for the sake of truth and justice.

How can it be believed that all this is true while there was not found single evidence? All I read here about organs transplantation resembles to some horror fiction novels or movies. What happened with those dead bodies after their organs were taken off? OK, you want to believe that K-Albanians, or KLA were such organized so they vanished all these bodies in perfect way??? As an Albanian it is hard to believe that they were able to do that.
On the other hand, all those organs should have been transplanted to some people who are alive today. If it happened, I do not believe all those organs were transplanted to Albanians, and it is hard to believe that all those organs went to black or criminal market, and a single evidence was not found yet.

For Paggy @24. As I see Nel @22 just wants to bring some evidences about those psychiatric clinics in Albania, and all you want to prove here is that he does not look like a doctor, and his English is poor. Does it have to do anything with the topic we are discussing here? Pleas do not reply to me saying that my English is not good as well because I know that. It is not true that Albania is refusing to cooperate. Albania was and is very open about that, but cooperation does not mean they have to agree with Serbia since there were not found evidences that human organs were transplanted. Do you think Albania should support Serbian propaganda?
This is very delicate topic, and as Albanian I will feel very bad, a shame, if it was true, but I strongly believe that this is a lie because there are not evidences for that. Del Ponte should do investigation and bring evidences when she had the power to do that. It is not honest at all to mention that for the first time in her book. It looks like she only cares how to make some money by selling the book, some dirty money playing with feelings of people who lost their lovely ones during that war.

Just yesterday 3 people were arrested for organ harvesting and one of them was indicated as a doctor that performed surgeries on missing Serbs in albania.And here we have albanians trying to justify horrid acts instead of reading their own papers.

If this is propaganda then what exactly happened to these innocent civillians? Where are their dead bodies?

Noel @22. A doctor would most cetainly be able to write a better piece than what you have written. For a start, no capital letters used where should be. Can't blame that on lack of English as the same rules apply in every language.
I seriously doubt that you are a doctor. Anyone can proclaim to be anyone here but in order to be convincing you must be able to write a reasonable piece at least.

Why don't we just sit back and let the investigation go ahead. If it turns out to be nothing then you can start with your "Seriban propaganda" routine again.

I wonder why Albania is refusing to cooperate. If as you say, there are no facilities like the ones mentioned there, it should be relatively easy to dismiss as lies.

The details of this grisly atrocity are slowly coming out & will no doubt continue to do so - is only a matter of time.

Meanwhile, those who support the K-albanian's will continue their denials - attempting to shift the focus back to the war during the 90's, all the while downplaying the events since then when they've had the upper hand in Kosovo - such as this probable murder for profit via organ transplant, a widescale pogrom against minorities in 2004 & a thousand other incidents of harassment & violence.

And this forms the foundation of what some would call the 'republic of Kosovo'.


'Olf' said:
> Instead, why don’t we focus on something more tangible, thousands of missing K-Albanians in Serbia, locations are known.

Believe you brought this point up not so long ago when you referred to the number as over 2000, as do 'Noel' & 'Pavaresi' above, & as has been referred to by others before.

Is a perfect example of the constant campaign of misdirection & lies K-albanians have been engaged in ever since all this kicked off.

The truth however is otherwise.

Book of the Missing for Kosovo put out by the ICRC as of last year puts the number of missing at 2047, which is probably the source of the propaganda above.

Truth however is that this number 2047 includes over 500 serbs as well as smaller numbers of other minorities. And the up to 300 referred to in the article above are part of this total.

And the KLA was notorious for targeting K-albanians whom they considered to be 'collaborators' of Milosevic's regime & so are no doubt responsible for part of the remaining 1500 or so missing K-albanians.

And some of those missing 1500 are no doubt just that - missing & not dead - as there is no shortage of criminals in Kosovo who might want to take advantage of the chaos in the 90's to 'disappear'.

That 'Olf', 'Noel', 'Pavaresi' etc is the truth of the matter.


Noel:
See above. And as regards 'expertise in organ trafficking', seems it is K-albanians who have it & not serbs - see http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=54804


Adrian Gashi:
Attempting to taint the current democratically elected government in Serbia with the excesses of Milosevic's regime is pathetic & transparent.

Look to your own leaders in pristina - they are the ones who were members of the KLA back in it's infancy - when it was labelled as a terrorist organisation by officials of the US state department.

Your own so-called prime minister is by definition, an ex-terrorist.

In response to post no 20. Before making such sweeping statements and accusing the country of ethnic intolerance and bigotry it might be an idea to visit the country before commenting, then at least the judgment would be founded on facts rather than preconceived ideas. In actual fact there are numerous ethnic groups living in harmony in Serbia.My mother's neighbours are Croats and Albanians, normal people co-existing in the same close knit community. Funnily enough I have never witnessed any of their children having been police escorted to their local school which is the sorry fate of many a Serb family living in Kosovo.

all i see here is people bouncing their hatreds back and forth. You all know who you are and do not claim to be virtuous. The propaganda machine has now been employed by both sides now and it is a tragic mess that you've all made in that part of the world.
I hear the K-Albania contingency defending their natioanlity by claiming that there was no chance that any K-Albania individuals would be capable of commit such horrible acts, while at the same time seemingly flattly brushing the milosevic tarnish on all serbs. The K-Albanians also point out that instead of Serb's looking into this act, searching for the truth, that they should stop, because nothing happened, and look for the missingK-Albanians that are Serbia with such conviction, so far as to suggest that the writer infact knows the locations of these missing peoples.
On the other side, the Serb delegation simply keeps poking and proding the K-Albanias, pushing on this issue of Organ Harvesting, and the issues of Thaci and CO. and their involvments in overall outcome of the Kosovo situation. The Serbs clearly feel that the K-Albanian propaganda should be met with their own propaganda, and that the K-Albanian wrong doers should be held accountable as were the Serb wrong doers.
At the end of the day, there is a small percentage of every nation, over ethnicity, every religious group that is extreme. During a war, a very extreme scenario, extremists work their way to the top. If both groups admit to the truths without trying to force propogandised truths down the throats of the other side then peace could arrive in the Balkans, these issue could be resolved, but if they keep going down this road, nothing will get settled, and there will be a point in the future where extremisms will resurface its ugly head.
All sides should be free to investigate what it feels were commited wrongs. All sides should stop trying to drum up these old pains for political purposes, and just deal with them internally with the injured parties involved. This can happen if the barriers in the way are removed. You must understand, that when there is an artificial barrier, then people will make noise about it.

Mr. O'Donaghue:

What makes Kosovo/a so different than any other state to emerge from the remains of ex-Yu? Just the other day, I saw a story about how the murder of a prominent Croatian journalist and his colleague(sorry, but I don't recall their names off hand) is strongly suspected of having been ordered from Montenegro -- quite possibly because of the long-running investigation by Italian authorities into the cigarette smuggling ring of which Milo Djukanovic himself is strongly suspected of having been a key member. And I'm sorry, but given your Irish surname, I am quite hesitant to believe that you're well-enough acquainted with the facts on the ground to be able to knowledgably weigh in on this subject.

The fact is, there is probably NO ONE posting to this site who truly knows the facts surrounding this case. Let the authorities investigate and in the meantime, hope that justice is done in the end...just like with all the other atrocious things that happened ALL OVER ex-Yu in the 1990s and early 2000s (in the case of Macedonia).

OMG where are you trying to go with that ancient thinking.
It's ridiculus because there is no names.
Wondering now where are you going to get all 300 names of so-called organ victims. Although I haven't been there I know there was a clinic but permited to operate only not serious wounds that KLA soldiers suffered at the border while fighting serbian forces.
However the serious wounded KLA soldiers were sent south to Tirana Hospital.

Please stop these kind of ridiculus comments Mr. Prosecutor because there is no evidence of such thing.

Once again I repeat don't mix dirty war with the clean one.

No one is going to believe your made up stories simply because they are bunch of lies.

Can somebody from the Serbian camp find an article that introduces a succesful liver transplant.
What kind of stupid propoganda are we dealing with here!?

Hi Peggy.
I am sorry to notice that your attention is focused on something very superficial. I did not intended to convince you about my language abilities, or to get credits in the forum using my profession. I must admit that according to my opinion the forum should work in a totally different direction. What I mean is that participants should contribute to clarifying and not accusing each - other based on national provenience. What we lack is cooperation and peace and we have plenty of conflicts and wars. In my contribution I just wanted to say that illegal organ harvesting is a disgusting crime and furthermore applied to kidnapped citizens independently from the country of origin. I also wanted to contribute modestly to the forum’s members investigation :)))) adding some facts (that by the way are very contradictory till now) that might help in their new Sherlock Holmes adventure. I am personally very interested that the truth comes up as soon and as complete as possible. Not because KLA (Albanians) might be involved and I feel ashamed or responsible since I am Albanian. I feel responsible only for my deeds and actions my dear friend. I wish justice and truth prevails because is the only way to calm soul and heal pain.
My doubts about the version till now made public are not based on my conviction that all Albanians are good and all Serbs are evil, are not based in my conviction that Albanians can not be involved in such crimes because I believe that crime does not have nationality, but based in some facts that involve medical technical specifications including yellow house use, psychiatric clinic 20 km from the yellow house and the real possibility to have such organized organ trafficking in an area that really lacks (especially in 1999)the minimum infrastructure for such medical intervention. I must insist and clarify that organ harvesting would need aseptic operation theatre which during those difficult years for Albania was very difficult to be a reality even in university hospital center in in Tirana.
To give you some more information about the available mental health services in Albania I am offering to all members in the forum to read this document (I am one of the authors) http://www.who.int/mental_health/albania_who_aims_report1a.pdf
You just open a map of Albania and find out where this cities are.
Anyway, I want to make one more point addressed to all contributors. I wonder how much willing would they be to write comments on this article http://www.france24.com/en/20081104-honeymoon-serbia-albania-with-first-joint-film
if B92 would write about it. Its an article that transmits hope for better future between our nations.
I hope that my English fulfilled your standards (I spell checked it :)) and the content of my contribution today fulfils your expectations for doctors.
Friendly wishes,
Neli

I beg your pardon for one mistake since I posted a link of the shorter version of one report wher cities with mental health facilities are not mentioned but only data about those facilities. You could consult this other link to know location
http://seemhp.ba/index.php?com=country&id=1
best wishes,
Neli

It is unbelievable how the same persons here, serbs and albanians, don't stop accusing each other. By reading the comments of Serbs, it seems like Blero or pavaresia are responsable for the difficult life of Serbs in Kosovo. And the same, reading the koments of Albanians, it seems like the responsable for the 2000 Albanians disappeared are Jovan, or Peggy etc. Do you know why I don't belive mister prosecutor? For the same reason like Neli. You my dear friends,both, from Serbia and from Kosovo, don't have any clue how the infrastructure of medicine and anything else have been in Albania up to 3 years ago. I can assure you, it was terrible. And in the rural, or remote areas like the one mentioned by mr. Prosecutor, it is still inexcistente. And there is another thing I would like to know: Where are these evidences coming from, if the Albanian Prosecutor didn't give permission to conduct investigations to the Serbian counterpart? As for my oppinion, I am not affraid from the investigations, because only them will stop the rumors and gossips. I have to tell you my friends that I have treveled accross the Ballkans. The first foreign city I have visited has been Belgrade, and I have loved its beauty, and I have had a wonderful time there. I will never forget Kalemegdan, Trg Republike, Plato Centar etc. I will never forget the moment when, trying to order tea to the waiter of a small bar that couldn't understand English, I said desperate to my friend in Albanian - What should we say to him to have some çaj? And than the waiter said, A, çaj - ok. And than we understand that there was not only the word çaj we had in common. We have so much in common, because we are Ballkan, and before asking to enter EU, we have to make our own union, Balkan Union. It is not impossible. At least for the visa. To mr. Prosecutor I would say to make what is in his power to find the truth. But if he knows that there isn't any true in this story, than just stop. We need peace. I would like to go again in Serbia in the future, but without visa. And Albania has beautiful beaches, come and visit it. There are also Orthodox Churches in Albania. And it would be beautiful if for some saint's feast like Saint George, or Saint Petka Albanian Orthodox and Serbs could celebrate togetherby Serbs and Albanians. And so many other things. We should not think any more what divide us, but what values we have in common. At least, this is the future I want, and the one I teach to my students at the University

Too much ado for nothing. To me all this story proves only one thing; the serbian persecuter has made a wrong decision in choosing his career. He could have been a screenwriter for the horror movies. How can you help not to be stunned! Mr V. is very talented indeed. My guts tell me that he would have made e fortune instead of a fool out of himself had he decidet to be a screenwriter. there is planty of stuff in Serbia to make thousand of horror movies. In case someone forgets I want to mention the trucks full of albanian childreen corpses dumbted in the rivers, massive grieves of inocent albanian and bosnian civilians around Beograde, raping camps...and the list can be very long. He sounds very talented indeed, but not that smart because justice can not be serve by employing a fictional approach.

Don't you have any doctor in serbia to explain you what an organ transplant needs?
First you need compatible patients: and complex test of HLA to see if the donnor and the receveur matche.Not possible in the fantastic yellow clinique,not even possible in albania and kosova,so you have to think for an another third developped country(serbia may be? and the logistic to have the blood stamples transported there)then you have to have permanent access to sterilewater and electricity,which is not the case in the yellow house,but let say we had ,hla compatible donnor and receveur,citerns of water and powerful electrogen group,so that our 2 patients can undergo safely(at least during the intervention) that surgery,you need trained nurses,and not general nurses like those of a psychiatric hospital,you need trained surgeon(sorry to tell you that but even in France,transplant surgery is done by a special team,and not the usual staff of surgeons of the hospitals),anesthesists etc...
But let's say that all this technical aspect is ok,and let admit that 300 serbs were killed for their organs .That means 600 kidneys,and 600patients throught the world who have got that surgery-in the yellow house or elsewhere in the world-So 600patients that were under dialysis for renal failure should have disappared from the listings of official centers where these patients were previously traited,don't you think?and 600patients disapparing from those controlled listings-unless you imagine that there is hidden dialysis center too, in albania waiting for a serbian organ.And you have to imagine the theses centers have not been surprised by the disparition of 600 patients from their listing and that their doktors around the world have not been surprised by this disparition,have not look why Mr x or Mr y,who was treated 3 times a week by his center , is not coming for his dialysis now and have not checked if he is dead or not...Do you imagine that all the nephrologs around the world are as stupid that they do not have noticed a boom of disparrition of their usual patients during that year?
600transplantations in one year is more than 1/3 the average french renaltransplant programm of the year!
So Do we have a brutal decrease of the dialysed patients during that year?Just look the official listings to see if your doubts are founded or not!

Denial Denial Denial... Yes the Serbs removed their own organs. they are definately to blame..

Podujevo massacre was also propaganda

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/balkans/crimesandcourage.html

The march 2004 riots was also propaganda..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3553837.stm

We all know who are the king of the spinsters in the Balkans.. Racak comes to mind.. now thats what i call propaganda in order justify illegal means of force..

http://arirusila.cafebabel.com/en/post/2008/10/20/High-pressure-to-fabricate-Racak-reports

If you look at the above in logical form you will realise that Albanian crimes are supported and Serb crimes are not.. hence Serb progaganda is irrelevant where as Albanian is relevant to their cause....

the Battle of Košare is a good example of this.. perfetic perfetic perfetic and inhumane..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2697219212819574923

The Albanians dont have the means to fight their own battles..

Get the message?

And the ignorance of some sickens me.. their were people arrested regarding he organ harvesting... WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND???