Jeremić, Miliband meet in Belgrade

Serbia,

Stick to your guns. Do not bow to pressure. Do not give in. Dont let the imperialists in through the back door and snatch Kosmet from you.

(Niall O'Doherty, 5 November 2008 15:38)

Niall,
For an Irish you use the word “Kosmet” with ferocity.
Now Niall, please find me a single document in Ireland that refers to Kosovo as Kosmet.
Good luck with your “Irish” roots.
You see Niall, I have not met an Irish (or any non Serbian/Russian) that knows what Kosmet is.
You seem to defy the odds I guess.
Impressive, or is it?

You know, I've never seen a picture of Millibrand until now.

He and Jeremic could have been college roomates together. Is this a new thing of appointing 30somethings as Foreign Ministers?

Also, why is it that every European state seems to be falling over each other in trying to be the "biggest proponent" for Serbia's integration, yet no one's given them the green light?

As always, lots of rhetorical fluff for the microphones, but little on substance.

Daytonize Kosovo and be done with it.

He and Jeremic could have been college roomates together. Is this a new thing of appointing 30somethings as Foreign Ministers?
(Mike, 5 November 2008 17:44)

There is actually 10 years difference between them (15th July 1965 VS 3rd July 1975).

“good neighborly relations“ with whom?
Article 135 of the Stabilization and Association Agreement is very clear on this point:
"The Agreement shall not apply in Kosovo which is at present under international administration pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 of 10 June 1999. This is without prejudice to the current status of Kosovo or the determination of its final status under the same Resolution."
Wich means that the "good neighbourly relations" (Art 5 ff) only concern the nations around Serbia and not the secessionist Serbian province of Kosovo and Metohia .

Albanese,

Of course the former US ambassador of the US to Croatia would say that in a Croatian newspaper. Matter of the fact is that the Croatian and Bosnian governments were the real fascist (but he "forgot" to mention that) and the Bosnian Serbs were merely patriotic. In addition, there would have been no way in the world that the Bosnian Croatians and Muslims would have been able to defeat the Bosnian Serbs. Milosevic made the big mistake not to help the Krajina Serbs and for that he should have been tried in Serbia. However, he would not have allowed the Bosnian Serbs to be defeated, even if the other party got direct help from the US. In fact, I still think that the Yugoslav army could have and should have totally defeated the Croatian and Bosnian armies and then there would have been more stability because the Bosnian Muslims and Croatians would have been in a situation where they had to negotiate and make compromises and not do nothing because the US and the EU told them to do nothing (similar to the Kosovo Albanians who do not know what talking is and the word compromise is not in their dictionary either).

=====Do not give in. Dont let the imperialists in through the back door and snatch Kosmet from you.

Niall, the 'imperialist' aren't snatching anything. 92% of Kosova voted for independence and given the brutal history, NATO /EU agreed. The natives finally got their land back after many many centuries.

(Niall O'Doherty, 6 November 2008 12:53)
How would you refer to a country that is not a part of another country then Niall (for example Kosovo)?
Shouldn’t the courtesy you are referring to extend there as well?
Also Niall, terms Irredentism and Nationalism are the terms that were used by Milosevic (in every speech of his).
Very 80s, don’t you think?

Albanese,

If all Serbs were in one location, I'd say swap the land, sign the papers, and get on with it (and some Serbs would probably agree with you). But 2/3 of K-Serbs live south of the Ibar and have no reason to trust Pristina any more than Albanians have in trusting Belgrade. That's not nationalism, that's fact.

Keep Kosovo whole, but under two administrative systems. Keep the north because that's the Serb stronghold. Without it, the rest of the enclaves are powerless. What's wrong with a little power sharing? It's not like Pristina's taking a hit by "losing" Gracanica and K-Mitrovica :)

At the very least, administrative authority should be given to the north, Strpce and Novo Brdo. No sense in parallel systems for the last three Serbs in Djakovica.

And what would be better? Administrative authority over their own sectors WITHIN an independent Kosovo, or continued resistance and further encroachment from BG? Don't know about you, but I'd take Column A.

BTW - I'm no fan of an independent RS either. It can't stand up on its own, and won't be recognized by anyone. In fact, I'm no fan of any of these "Republic of Me", "Kingdom of You", or "Federation of Those Two Guys over There next to the Parked Car" states.

Kosova is Serbia Peggy, Kosova belong to natives, the albanians, no one would have granted nor supported independence if that was not a fact. Albanians are ethnic and they are the ones that should run Kosova.
(uli)

Well, well Uli! In that case you would not object if the american nativs (the indians) take back what is their land? I bet your friend Biden and company would support your opinion on that, since you so strongly believe the natives should run their own territory. Don't you realize what hypocrites you albanians really are?

Albanese,

Well Bosnia's an internationally recognized state with UN membership, so I'd say it's slightly better than Kosovo. Daytonize the damn thing.

blero,

Did not know that. Millibrand looks young for his age!

Exchange Presheva Valley with North of Ibar: you get rid of the Albanians, we get rid of the Serbs :) and there will be peace and a permanent solution. No village sized cantons, no reason to fight again 40 years from now.
(Albanese, 5 November 2008 22:01)

One problem. It's not yours to exchange. It's all Serbian territory. If you don't believe me go and ask the UN. I wonder how their map of the Balkans looks.

Enough of we take this if you want that. Why should Serbia give you anything for Kosovo when Kosovo is Serbia?

Blero,

Kosmet is the official Yugoslav/Serbian name for the province. Its short for Kosovo i Methojia.

When you are referring to a territory that is part of another country, it is common courtesy to call it its official name. Anything other implies irredentist nationalist tendancies.

>>> Daytonize Kosovo and be done with it.


That is working great isn't it? EU and US regret it now. The US ambassador said he wishes US had not stopped the Croat and Muslim armies from taking Banja Luka. http://www.javno.com/en/world/clanak.php?id=193390

Partition means a postponed war and R Sprska ruined that model for Serbia.

>>> Also, why is it that every European state seems to be falling over each other in trying to be the "biggest proponent" for Serbia's integration, yet no one's given them the green light?
It takes a decade or more if everything goes right. Serbia hasn't even started yet.

"Well Bosnia's an internationally recognized state with UN membership, so I'd say it's slightly better than Kosovo. Daytonize the damn thing."

Recognized yes, but possibly going towards another war if Srpska splits. EU does not, for obvious reasons, like that setup.

Exchange Presheva Valley with North of Ibar: you get rid of the Albanians, we get rid of the Serbs :) and there will be peace and a permanent solution. No village sized cantons, no reason to fight again 40 years from now.

Kosova is Serbia Peggy, Kosova belong to natives, the albanians, no one would have granted nor supported independence if that was not a fact. Albanians are ethnic and they are the ones that should run Kosova.

=====Do not give in. Dont let the imperialists in through the back door and snatch Kosmet from you.

Niall, the 'imperialist' aren't snatching anything. 92% of Kosova voted for independence and given the brutal history, NATO /EU agreed. The natives finally got their land back after many many centuries.

>>> Daytonize Kosovo and be done with it.


That is working great isn't it? EU and US regret it now. The US ambassador said he wishes US had not stopped the Croat and Muslim armies from taking Banja Luka. http://www.javno.com/en/world/clanak.php?id=193390

Partition means a postponed war and R Sprska ruined that model for Serbia.

>>> Also, why is it that every European state seems to be falling over each other in trying to be the "biggest proponent" for Serbia's integration, yet no one's given them the green light?
It takes a decade or more if everything goes right. Serbia hasn't even started yet.

(Niall O'Doherty, 5 November 2008 15:38)

Niall,
For an Irish you use the word “Kosmet” with ferocity.
Now Niall, please find me a single document in Ireland that refers to Kosovo as Kosmet.
Good luck with your “Irish” roots.
You see Niall, I have not met an Irish (or any non Serbian/Russian) that knows what Kosmet is.
You seem to defy the odds I guess.
Impressive, or is it?

"Well Bosnia's an internationally recognized state with UN membership, so I'd say it's slightly better than Kosovo. Daytonize the damn thing."

Recognized yes, but possibly going towards another war if Srpska splits. EU does not, for obvious reasons, like that setup.

Exchange Presheva Valley with North of Ibar: you get rid of the Albanians, we get rid of the Serbs :) and there will be peace and a permanent solution. No village sized cantons, no reason to fight again 40 years from now.

You know, I've never seen a picture of Millibrand until now.

He and Jeremic could have been college roomates together. Is this a new thing of appointing 30somethings as Foreign Ministers?

Also, why is it that every European state seems to be falling over each other in trying to be the "biggest proponent" for Serbia's integration, yet no one's given them the green light?

As always, lots of rhetorical fluff for the microphones, but little on substance.

Daytonize Kosovo and be done with it.

Serbia,

Stick to your guns. Do not bow to pressure. Do not give in. Dont let the imperialists in through the back door and snatch Kosmet from you.

He and Jeremic could have been college roomates together. Is this a new thing of appointing 30somethings as Foreign Ministers?
(Mike, 5 November 2008 17:44)

There is actually 10 years difference between them (15th July 1965 VS 3rd July 1975).

Albanese,

Of course the former US ambassador of the US to Croatia would say that in a Croatian newspaper. Matter of the fact is that the Croatian and Bosnian governments were the real fascist (but he "forgot" to mention that) and the Bosnian Serbs were merely patriotic. In addition, there would have been no way in the world that the Bosnian Croatians and Muslims would have been able to defeat the Bosnian Serbs. Milosevic made the big mistake not to help the Krajina Serbs and for that he should have been tried in Serbia. However, he would not have allowed the Bosnian Serbs to be defeated, even if the other party got direct help from the US. In fact, I still think that the Yugoslav army could have and should have totally defeated the Croatian and Bosnian armies and then there would have been more stability because the Bosnian Muslims and Croatians would have been in a situation where they had to negotiate and make compromises and not do nothing because the US and the EU told them to do nothing (similar to the Kosovo Albanians who do not know what talking is and the word compromise is not in their dictionary either).

Kosova is Serbia Peggy, Kosova belong to natives, the albanians, no one would have granted nor supported independence if that was not a fact. Albanians are ethnic and they are the ones that should run Kosova.
(uli)

Well, well Uli! In that case you would not object if the american nativs (the indians) take back what is their land? I bet your friend Biden and company would support your opinion on that, since you so strongly believe the natives should run their own territory. Don't you realize what hypocrites you albanians really are?

(Niall O'Doherty, 6 November 2008 12:53)
How would you refer to a country that is not a part of another country then Niall (for example Kosovo)?
Shouldn’t the courtesy you are referring to extend there as well?
Also Niall, terms Irredentism and Nationalism are the terms that were used by Milosevic (in every speech of his).
Very 80s, don’t you think?

“good neighborly relations“ with whom?
Article 135 of the Stabilization and Association Agreement is very clear on this point:
"The Agreement shall not apply in Kosovo which is at present under international administration pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 of 10 June 1999. This is without prejudice to the current status of Kosovo or the determination of its final status under the same Resolution."
Wich means that the "good neighbourly relations" (Art 5 ff) only concern the nations around Serbia and not the secessionist Serbian province of Kosovo and Metohia .

Albanese,

Well Bosnia's an internationally recognized state with UN membership, so I'd say it's slightly better than Kosovo. Daytonize the damn thing.

blero,

Did not know that. Millibrand looks young for his age!

Albanese,

If all Serbs were in one location, I'd say swap the land, sign the papers, and get on with it (and some Serbs would probably agree with you). But 2/3 of K-Serbs live south of the Ibar and have no reason to trust Pristina any more than Albanians have in trusting Belgrade. That's not nationalism, that's fact.

Keep Kosovo whole, but under two administrative systems. Keep the north because that's the Serb stronghold. Without it, the rest of the enclaves are powerless. What's wrong with a little power sharing? It's not like Pristina's taking a hit by "losing" Gracanica and K-Mitrovica :)

At the very least, administrative authority should be given to the north, Strpce and Novo Brdo. No sense in parallel systems for the last three Serbs in Djakovica.

And what would be better? Administrative authority over their own sectors WITHIN an independent Kosovo, or continued resistance and further encroachment from BG? Don't know about you, but I'd take Column A.

BTW - I'm no fan of an independent RS either. It can't stand up on its own, and won't be recognized by anyone. In fact, I'm no fan of any of these "Republic of Me", "Kingdom of You", or "Federation of Those Two Guys over There next to the Parked Car" states.

Exchange Presheva Valley with North of Ibar: you get rid of the Albanians, we get rid of the Serbs :) and there will be peace and a permanent solution. No village sized cantons, no reason to fight again 40 years from now.
(Albanese, 5 November 2008 22:01)

One problem. It's not yours to exchange. It's all Serbian territory. If you don't believe me go and ask the UN. I wonder how their map of the Balkans looks.

Enough of we take this if you want that. Why should Serbia give you anything for Kosovo when Kosovo is Serbia?

Blero,

Kosmet is the official Yugoslav/Serbian name for the province. Its short for Kosovo i Methojia.

When you are referring to a territory that is part of another country, it is common courtesy to call it its official name. Anything other implies irredentist nationalist tendancies.

Kosova is Serbia Peggy, Kosova belong to natives, the albanians, no one would have granted nor supported independence if that was not a fact. Albanians are ethnic and they are the ones that should run Kosova.