Ceku advises special zone, use of force

So Ceku the war criminal from Krajina wants force... If I just change some of the words from the above text it gets a different meaning, doesn't it?

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Milosevic advises special zone, use of force
27 October 2008 | 09:26 | Source: Beta
BEOGRAD -- Former Serbian Prime Minister Slobodan Milosevic has called on the government in Belgrade to declare the southern part of Serbia "a zone of special interest".

"If this part of Serbia is declared a zone of special interest, that means presence of state officials of Serbia must be secured there. Those officials would work there and be the state authority of Serbia," he told reporters on Sunday, adding that such measures in the Albanian-dominated south which rejects Belgrades's authority would be "temporary

No, Ceku, the days of force and violence are over, Serbias authority will be restored over the south of Kosovo, BUT with peaceful means. FIrst there will be victory on the international court, then withdrawals of "Kosova" will begin.
Together with a world economic depression life in SErbia with a great autonomy will not seem so bad after all... Just ask the hundreds of thousands albanians that have taken Serbian passports in the last years!

"Ceku, who is the leader of the Social Democratic Party, said the Thaci government has no concrete plan to spread its authority in the north.

For his part, Ceku did no rule out using force to achieve this. "

Nato and Kfor will never allow Pristina to use any force. They have not allowed it since 1999, otherwise Pristina would have tried to do so long ago. Why? Because that would expose the big lie in the West's fictitious claim of multiethnic harmony in Kosovo before the entire world.

That is the reality on the ground. Supervised independence simply means Nato/Kfor/Eulex call the shots, not Pristina!

Meantime no harm for Ceku to continue his fantasy for violence in his own mind.

looks like the bouncer inside is coming out again... =)

is he just about to make the biggest mistake in his entire career?

Serbia is prepared...

Hmmm...it appears you can take the war criminal out of the war, but you can't take the war out of the war criminal.

This guy, to put it simply, needs to shut the hell up and retire somewhere before he ends up alienating the few allies he and the illegal govt of Pristina still have nowadays.

(Partition Paartitionidis di Partio di Kosovo, 27 October 2008 10:25)

If you recommend partitioning of Kosovo to solve the issue of North of Kosovo, which medicine would you give us for the South of Serbia (Albanian populated regions within Serbia) and Vojvodina?
Should we start that ball rolling?

We all saw what happened when Saakashvili tried to use force to secure Abkhazia and South Ossetia, does this guy want to plunge Kosovo into another war? With what? Kosovo doesn't even have an army to use force in the first place! I am sure if Kosovo tried this, they would lose some important allies.

Let's be realistic. Time of using force and playing Generals is over.
Noone will play "1999" in changed rolles between Albanians and Serbs. Only some politicians -from both sides- are trying to gain progile on this. Forget about precedent and Kosovo souvereignty-phrases etc. One can not always mingle the Kosovo-matter with problems in the world. A doc wouldn't leave a patient untreated just because there are other people in the world who can't get treatment.
Kosovo has to be partitioned and the curtains closed in this bad show. FIN, END, KONAC, FUND.
Let's go home now, there's nothing to be seen anymore.

looks like the bouncer inside is coming out again... =)
is he just about to make the biggest mistake in his entire career?
Serbia is prepared...
(Jovan, 27 October 2008 12:16)

Does this make you political analyst also (in addition to your wide knowledge of History of course) Jovan?
See attached:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuska_massacre
If Ceku wanted to invoke terror on civilians he could have done that in 1999.
But he didn’t because that would put him in the same line with the people that caused him so much harm.
Also Jovan, how is Serbia prepared?
Are we (you) still advocating use of force?
How do you think that will end?
Care to elaborate further?

Ceku should know the use of force by now. Afterall, he used it with Croatia's patronage and American blessing in Krajina. Now, he wants to try it in Kosovo-Metohija. Will the American's stand by this war crimminal -who should be in the hague, again? One day this double standard the Americans and their lackeys are playing with will come back to haunt them.

The man is a hypocrite- let him speak- the more he speaks the more ordinary people in Europe will see the lies we have been fed by the USA and UK!!!

"Use of force is the task of every security organ. I would not say use of violence, but of force, if necessary. The functioning of the state and government in every part of the country is the task of institutions, which have their instruments and powers. Force is one of those powers," he elaborated.

And how is this guy different from Milosevic?

Oh right. He needs to rely once more on someone else's power and military to do what he/Pristina can't do. Always the warlord, even when he no longer has an army to command.

Kind of funny, but not surprising, how the Albanians here seem to quietly approve the use of force when they can't stop harping about Serb use of force nearly 10 years ago. And then they wonder why many of us simply don't believe in this multi-ethnic lala land they're trying to paint "Kosova" as.

«Peter Sudyka»,You're wrong... UCK was dismantled only on paper! UCK is still alive and that's why Ceku wants to use the force.If you'll check the local police,government there are all of them members of UCK. And even without UCK the albanians burned all that belongs to serbs and still are doing it.KFOR-NATO is just supervising...

Ceku is a violent criminal thug he always thinks violence and killing Serbs is the answer to problems. Killing Serbs was the answer to Croatias problems and killing Serbs is the answer to Kosovo's problems

Ceku is wrong. Force must not be used.
Norther part of Kosova is being ruled by mafia, Serbian and Kosovar. My proposal is that this part should be left as it is for another year and than introduce the law. As it is this part of Kosova harms both Serbia and Kosova.
Long live north of Kosova/Little Columbia
(Olf, 27 October 2008 13:53)

Olf,

The biggest opponent of ceku is thaci at this moment, not some Serbs in or outside of Kosovo. Thaci and his group did handle the entire Kosovo issue pathetically, my understanding ceku is trying to make some gains. If it would be of political gain, he would call for small green space aliens to intervene north of Kosovo.

As far as being "detached" from Serbia... Some would be disappointed, but people who live south of Ibar and their mother tongue is not Slavic - even they aren't detached from Belgrade as some would think. Most domestic engineering jobs are in BG, BG has better universities... and so on, so on. It's not perhaps what is said loudly. Time will tell.

How far is the Northern part of KosMet ruled by mafia was unclear, I have my little doubts that it is endlessly over-played on both sides for better political effect. Like said, better jobs are in Belgrade and Vojvodina - regardless are you talking about Zvecan or Prishtina.

A good indication of potential are the Chinese immigrants. Chinatowns grow, where is more opportunity. So come and see where the Chinese immigrants settle....

Sorry Wake Up and blero, but you're going to have to do a lot better than cherry picking history to sanitize your argument and disprove mine. My comment questions the difference between Milosevic's tactics of choosing to use force to quell a non-compliant area, and Ceku's apparent decision to resort to force as well. Thaci and Sejdiu have also expressed their willingness to use other people's military hardware in achieving their goals. But how Milosevic's link to Ceku can be discounted by disjointed reference to the rape of Bosnian women by Serbian paralimitary forces escapes my apparently limited knowledge. If Milosevic himself raped 150 Bosnian women, then I humbly stand corrected. Without discounting the crimes committed in Serbia's name that many here already know about, it's interesting how Wake Up and blero skip over Ceku's colored past of being personally involved in the Medak pocket. Here, I'll even throw in a link of my own that took me less that 3 seconds to find on Google that can prove my own point on Ceku:

http://www.motherjones.com/news/special_reports/total_coverage/kosovo/ceku.html

I don't expect blero or Wake Up to believe it, but the point is that any nationalist can find something to substantiate his/her claim, and more often than not, such claims are historically sanitized for maximum effect.

And speaking of sanitized history, if we're going to once more play the blame game of "who started it" in Kosovo as blero seems to be eager to do with his link, I ask objectively why Serb forces were cracking down in the first place. Not only that, I can find numerous web links that attests to growing Albanian terrorism in Kosovo and the response taken by Serb security forces, though I doubt blero or any other Albanian nationalist would take it seriously. If anyone - Serb or Albanian - honestly thinks that the spiraling conflicts in Kosovo throughout the late 1980s and 1990s was not a result of a tit for tat security dilemma, with violations committed on both sides, and each side containing elements eager for an all out war, then there's no point in discussing the topic any further with them.

Mr Ceku said nothing wrong,he clearly is saying force but no violence.Some of you would like to portray him as war criminal and many other things-that he actually is not.I am open for constructive ideas,some of you guys tell Mr Ceku and myself of how the Kosovar government is going to implement their rule of law in north without some sort of force.Serbian government is not cooperating,its doing everything on its power to destabilize the region and Mr Ceku is very aware of this.Serbian Government can fix the situation in the north from one day to another but its not willing.I am not for partition of Kosova never will be,but Serbia will not gain some of Kosovas territory without loosing some of its own as well we all know that.

(lowe,

That is the reality on the ground. Supervised independence simply means Nato/Kfor/Eulex call the shots, not Pristina!

My dear friend Kosova would not be independent country today if it was up to Serbia,so Serbia doesn't call the shots either,Serbia or Kosova will never call the shots until both economy's catch up with that of Germany or France and sorry but maybe you and i will never see it maybe our kids will.

(Srboslav,

No, Ceku, the days of force and violence are over, Serbias authority will be restored over the south of Kosovo,BUT with peaceful means.

The Serbian Socialist leader just few days ago did make even bigger threat but i did not read any comments from you reminding him of those peaceful means that you are talking about.And as far as restoring Serbia's authority over Kosova i am not going to wish you luck, but you are going to need it maybe you get it from somewhere else.Thanks

Keep cool yow. "Don't take your guns to town son, ..."
Ceku is just a former!! prime-something, there's plenty of them in Kosovo and Serbia. K-Albanians need north-Kosovo as much as Serbia needs the Rest(AL-habited)Kosovo as much as a fish needs a bicycle.
So let's exercise in a chorus: P, Pa, Part, Parti, Par-ti-tion.

I don’t think there is need of force in the north.

Give a time to the K-Serbs and they will realise that they cannot pretend to rule over the overwhelming K-Albanian majority. I know that this attitude can provoke frustration as any other racist claim but there must be calm and rational decisions to be made.

This does not mean that there should not be done anything in this regard.

As Ceku says an efficient control of the borders against the smugglers and dismantlement of the state infrastructure that Serbia holds there should be done gradually.

I don’t see the reason to apply any restrictions on the trade between Kosova and Serbia and especially Serbia and northern Kosova but it is unacceptable to allow to Serbia to extend her services in Kosova without any authorisation and regulation i.e. the Serbian telecom cannot operate in Kosova without any authorisation and without complying to the Kosova’s regulation and laws or other services of the foreign state.

I think that the Ceku’s statement should be viewed in this contest.

K-Serbs are Kosovars just as K-Albanians.

If i was the president of Serbia, i would mobilize a few do the EXACT same thing as Russia did when Georgia tried using force against Russian civilians in S. Ossetia & Abkazia. Mobilize the special forces, put the air force on alert, and get the tanks on standby. If the Albanians are so foolish to try anything that dumb, let them know those kinds of actions will NOT be tolerated. Russia now has strength to stand by us every step of the way. Maybe then, it will show the whole world that the answer to the Kosovo crisis is negotiations.

Ceku is a man that talks from experience.His opinion should not be ignored.

(Vladimir, 27 October 2008 16:32)

Wow, strong words Vladimir.
Two things stay on your way though.
Serbia is not Russia and Kosovo is not Georgia.
And when you said Special Forces, are you referring to the paramilitaries again?

"Mr. Ceku is a real military man. He made it clear to those who understand it. No violence but use of force. As far as I know Kosovo is recognized internationally with its' present borders and that's the way it should be. There is nothing Serbia or anyone else can do. I also know that in the northern part of Kosovo most of the ilegal things are happening so I would urge authorities in Pristina to take action and stop that drug smuggling. Serbia can't help itself, what makes you think that serbia can help K-serbs. Do you think that Mr. Ceku would ever order something such as slobodan milosevic ordered in 1998-99. It's time for law and order to be restored everywhere inside internationally recognized borders of Kosovo.
(Albo_Canada, 27 October 2008 23:43) "

Albo_Canada,

"No violence but use of force" ??????? I wonder how you are going to accomplish this? Unless you are talking about dead K-Serbs who can't resist.

As for your "internationally recognized borders of Kosovo", it doesn't apply to the majority of the world, and certainly not in the community of sovereign nations at the UN!

Ceku is right.

Kosovo must maintain its borders that exist since the times of Socialist Autonomous Province of Kosovo created in 1945.

> And how is this guy different from Milosevic?

Start here [link]
(Wake up, 27 October 2008 16:07)


You can also pay a visit to this.
And yes, hopefully this helps identify who initiated ethnic cleansing in Kosovo.

http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/kosovo/cuska/frame_body-part5.html

"(lowe,

My dear friend Kosova would not be independent country today if it was up to Serbia,so Serbia doesn't call the shots either,Serbia or Kosova will never call the shots until both economy's catch up with that of Germany or France and sorry but maybe you and i will never see it maybe our kids will.

((Viti i Balit, 27 October 2008 13:40) "

Viti i Balit,

Stop kidding yourself. Kosovo is not independent. It is now a US/EU/Nato colony. That's the reality.

Peter,

While the "West" is obsessed with non-existing Russian bears, the real ones infiltrating America from inside. Soon, a large army of REAL Russians will emerge within America because Americans do everything possible to bring them over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIOrt4K-XDs

Let the West believe, there are bears. "Russian Bear" is a stupid Western invention, the real favorite as you see is different. AFAIK, he is the main hero of every Salvic folklore, not the bear. Including Serbian, Slovak, Czech... perhaps Polish, too.

The big secret for me is, how does that American woman hold the Russian guy without being seriously hurt!

"Also Jovan, how is Serbia prepared?
Are we (you) still advocating use of force?
How do you think that will end?
Care to elaborate further?
(blero, 27 October 2008 13:07)"

well, Blero, I don´t know what it is you don´t understand, but I will try to answer you...

of course I do not advocate the use of brutal force against innocent civilians! but you should´n have a doubt about the resolve to protect all serbian citizens ( be it ethnic serbs or albanians ) on serbian territory against EVERY attempt to endanger them.

that means, if ceku or any other of these should ever try to raise his hand against those who are not dreaming his sick dream... this hand should not only be broken but torn off.

my only concern is that if there should be such a development in the southern serbian province, that those who are on duty right now could be hesitating ( because they are apparently not acting in the interest of the serb state ) before they are replaced by the people of Serbia.

and since we all know that it is a difference fighting against an army instead of civilians who are sitting in cafe´s and having a coffe...
this poor chickenthief is playing with fire...

and he´s doing that against the interests of all serbian citizens in southern Serbia, no matter which ethnicity they are of.

so, the responsibility will be clearly on his side, if any bigger conflict breaks out.

This to my mind is being blown out of proportion, i am sure General Ceku knows that he or KosovA is in no position to start another war with Serbia. There is a message there though and i think all the parties in KosovA will agree when i say that we will protect Mitrovica until the last man, and if Serbia decides to take some further action like the MARCH demonstrations and the UN blockade, then the Kosovo government should use force to protect its territory from hooligans

He better use this force before George Dubya is gone.

McCain doesn't look like he can win and Obama seems a little more calm. Even though he supports independent Kosovo it doesn't mean he intends to impose independent Kosovo.

Desperate last words of a desperate man.

McCain doesn't look like he can win
(Peggy, 27 October 2008 20:49)

According Ms. Pálin(ka) God will intervene and help them to win because America is God's land and they are the True Believers. If that would be the case, He (i.e. God) should continue the monumental work and seriously save all people after. McCain health is not good, he has cancer and potentially he can retire from his duty at any time. While that type of cancer is very slow-working, we can say, she would be only a cancer complication away from becoming the president of USA. If so, than god help all humans.

To Mike and Jovan:

I think there is a great degree of shame on Serbia's behalf, thus the need for ordinary citizens such as yourselfs to manipulate retrospective information.

I think it is possible, on your part, to manipulate history, although I doubt very much that Ceku committed those crimes, after all, your link clearly suggests that Ceku was suspected of initiating those crimes, however you failed to provide concrete evidence, such as what Blero has achieved with his infromative link. When people have no concrete evidence, they endeavour to create something out of nothing, thus Mike and Jovan writing an essay on their views.

As far as the blame game goes, I dont think that any honest politician in Serbia (which is seldom) can say that Kosovo started the war. On the contrary, actually, Kosovo was better off, and we knew it, under Yugoslavia, under Tito's regime, so they had'nt the need to secede or advocate it in anyway.

But the shift from Socialism to Nationalism is something not even Mike and Jovan can justify, because it went againt everything that Yugoslavia stood for, Milosevic stemmed the way for wide-spread massacre against ethnicities other than of Serbian origin.

Why else did Milosevic shift ideologies? Can you answer this simple question?

Slovenia was the first to secede after growing nationalism (in a constitutionally socialist federation) which was later followed by Kosova.

As far as the independence goes, Serbias diplomatic front has been analagous to a fish attempting endlessly to swim against the, strong and stagnant stream.

"I don’t see the reason to apply any restrictions on the trade between Kosova and Serbia and especially Serbia and northern Kosova but it is unacceptable to allow to Serbia to extend her services in Kosova without any authorisation and regulation i.e. the Serbian telecom cannot operate in Kosova without any authorisation and without complying to the Kosova’s regulation and laws or other services of the foreign state.

I think that the Ceku’s statement should be viewed in this contest.

K-Serbs are Kosovars just as K-Albanians.
(ben, 27 October 2008 13:41)"

Apply restrictions? Who's going to apply the restrictions? There is now trade between Serbia proper and north Kosovo, and Pristina has been powerless to do anything about it. Because your overlord Nato wouldn't let you even try! That's the reality on the ground.

As for K-Serbs being Kosovars, well, I don't think they agree with you on that one! Another reality on the ground.

Put a warlord in a suit and he's still a warlord.

Mr Ceku, do you honestly belive that NATO will go in to the North and enclaves and force EULEX and Pristina's 'authority' on the Serb and non Albanian population through the use of force.

Do you have any idea of what will happen? Do you expect Belgrade to sit idly by.

Well here is what will happen. If NATO goes into the Serb areas and the North and begins arresting K-Serb officials and dismantling their institutions, you can expect a backlash. When dead Serbs/Roma/Gorani start appearing on the streets of Mitrovica/Prizren/Pristina/ enclaves etc. you can then expect VS troops & tanks to start rolling back into Kosmet.

Are you for real?

Are you mad?

Vladimir

Russia would not help Serbia in "taking back" the North. You think they'd risk open war with NATO? The Russian army is already obsolete and demoralized, this war would just mean its destruction. Georgia is in Russia's sphere of influence, Serbia is in the West's sphere of influence.

> And how is this guy different from Milosevic?

Start here http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CEED61E38F930A35753C1A964958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

Ceku is wrong. Force must not be used.
Norther part of Kosova is being ruled by mafia, Serbian and Kosovar. My proposal is that this part should be left as it is for another year and than introduce the law. As it is this part of Kosova harms both Serbia and Kosova.
Long live north of Kosova/Little Columbia

The man is a hypocrite- let him speak- the more he speaks the more ordinary people in Europe will see the lies we have been fed by the USA and UK!!!
(Diana, 27 October 2008 14:03)

Do you think that northern part of Kosova will ever join Serbia?. No I don't think so but I wish you luck on that one. Same thing tried Russia in Georgia but no one is recognizing South Osetia and Abkhazia.
Mr. Ceku is a real military man. He made it clear to those who understand it. No violence but use of force. As far as I know Kosovo is recognized internationally with its' present borders and that's the way it should be. There is nothing Serbia or anyone else can do. I also know that in the northern part of Kosovo most of the ilegal things are happening so I would urge authorities in Pristina to take action and stop that drug smuggling. Serbia can't help itself, what makes you think that serbia can help K-serbs. Do you think that Mr. Ceku would ever order something such as slobodan milosevic ordered in 1998-99. It's time for law and order to be restored everywhere inside internationally recognized borders of Kosovo.

According Ms. Pálin(ka) God will intervene and help them to win because America is God's land and they are the True Believers.

How silly of me to forget that Ataman.
Those Americans do belive their own you know what.

Do you think that Mr. Ceku would ever order something such as slobodan milosevic ordered in 1998-99.
(Albo_Canada, 27 October 2008 23:43)?
(Ataman, 28 October 2008 01:13)

I answered "YES", but B92 cut it and it became an empty message.

so again:

Yes, I think, given the possibilities, snake/pigeon/etc. WOULD order something such as slobodan milosevic ordered in 1998-99. Or even worse things.

Mirsad UK,

You say "When people have no concrete evidence, they endeavour to create something out of nothing", and this is the point of my comment. Look at the range of opinions just on this one article and note the almost complete 50/50 split between Albanians and their supports and Serbs and theirs over just the personality of Ceku. You point to blero's "concrete evidence" because you choose to believe his/her link fits your historical memory more than mine. Thst's fine. That was the point of my comment. People believe what they want to believe, and they'll find any article that spins the topic to their liking on the web to point to substantiated evidence. Blero's link is just as valid/meaningless as the one I posted. But you seem to assume that I need to manipulate retrospective information in order to shift blame and shame. Obviously you didn't read my entire comment as I attributed blame to both sides in an ongoing struggle over at least 20 years. I can't speak on behalf of Jovan, but please don't accuse me of engaging in selective history when your comments have followed the pattern.

"Even though he supports independent Kosovo it doesn't mean he intends to impose independent Kosovo."

What imposing? EU has this now and NATO is protecting the borders. Law and order will be enforced, just like Serbs do in Presheva valley.

Regarding Obama: See Biden and Anthony Lake. Lake is his main adviser in 1999:
"At some point, when a country such as Serbia shows enough irresponsibility in internal governance, it forfeits its right to sovereignty over its current territory.

"In the end, if neither the Serbs nor the Kosovars accept this deal - which I suspect will happen - then we are going to have to find a way to put independence on the table," he said."
http://media.www.dailynebraskan.com/media/storage/paper857/news/1999/03/11/News/Lake-No.Easy.Solution.For.Kosovo-1738392.shtml

Susan Rice, Powers, Allbright, Wesley Clark, Hoolbrooke all agree with Kosova's independence, the rest is small potatoes.

I don't like the idea of using force, that Ceku is coming up with. Force only results in increased nationalism, which hasn't been good for the balkans.
Just let the Serbs in northern Kosova rule themselves, however if a Serb official is found and proven to foster an environment of lawlessness on purpose he/she should face the rule of law and justice. Other than that let them have their own mayors, schools, hospitals, whatever they want so they feel they are ruling themselves and are in charge of their future and their own destiny, short of Belgrade ruling them. I think it is realistic to assume that on that part of Kosova there will be some form ohether it is written down on paper or not.

Do you think that Mr. Ceku would ever order something such as slobodan milosevic ordered in 1998-99.
(Albo_Canada, 27 October 2008 23:43)?

Ceku is a man that talks from experience.His opinion should not be ignored.

(Partition Paartitionidis di Partio di Kosovo, 27 October 2008 10:25)

If you recommend partitioning of Kosovo to solve the issue of North of Kosovo, which medicine would you give us for the South of Serbia (Albanian populated regions within Serbia) and Vojvodina?
Should we start that ball rolling?

Ceku is right.

Kosovo must maintain its borders that exist since the times of Socialist Autonomous Province of Kosovo created in 1945.

looks like the bouncer inside is coming out again... =)
is he just about to make the biggest mistake in his entire career?
Serbia is prepared...
(Jovan, 27 October 2008 12:16)

Does this make you political analyst also (in addition to your wide knowledge of History of course) Jovan?
See attached:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuska_massacre
If Ceku wanted to invoke terror on civilians he could have done that in 1999.
But he didn’t because that would put him in the same line with the people that caused him so much harm.
Also Jovan, how is Serbia prepared?
Are we (you) still advocating use of force?
How do you think that will end?
Care to elaborate further?

Mr Ceku said nothing wrong,he clearly is saying force but no violence.Some of you would like to portray him as war criminal and many other things-that he actually is not.I am open for constructive ideas,some of you guys tell Mr Ceku and myself of how the Kosovar government is going to implement their rule of law in north without some sort of force.Serbian government is not cooperating,its doing everything on its power to destabilize the region and Mr Ceku is very aware of this.Serbian Government can fix the situation in the north from one day to another but its not willing.I am not for partition of Kosova never will be,but Serbia will not gain some of Kosovas territory without loosing some of its own as well we all know that.

(lowe,

That is the reality on the ground. Supervised independence simply means Nato/Kfor/Eulex call the shots, not Pristina!

My dear friend Kosova would not be independent country today if it was up to Serbia,so Serbia doesn't call the shots either,Serbia or Kosova will never call the shots until both economy's catch up with that of Germany or France and sorry but maybe you and i will never see it maybe our kids will.

(Srboslav,

No, Ceku, the days of force and violence are over, Serbias authority will be restored over the south of Kosovo,BUT with peaceful means.

The Serbian Socialist leader just few days ago did make even bigger threat but i did not read any comments from you reminding him of those peaceful means that you are talking about.And as far as restoring Serbia's authority over Kosova i am not going to wish you luck, but you are going to need it maybe you get it from somewhere else.Thanks

(Vladimir, 27 October 2008 16:32)

Wow, strong words Vladimir.
Two things stay on your way though.
Serbia is not Russia and Kosovo is not Georgia.
And when you said Special Forces, are you referring to the paramilitaries again?

So Ceku the war criminal from Krajina wants force... If I just change some of the words from the above text it gets a different meaning, doesn't it?

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Milosevic advises special zone, use of force
27 October 2008 | 09:26 | Source: Beta
BEOGRAD -- Former Serbian Prime Minister Slobodan Milosevic has called on the government in Belgrade to declare the southern part of Serbia "a zone of special interest".

"If this part of Serbia is declared a zone of special interest, that means presence of state officials of Serbia must be secured there. Those officials would work there and be the state authority of Serbia," he told reporters on Sunday, adding that such measures in the Albanian-dominated south which rejects Belgrades's authority would be "temporary

No, Ceku, the days of force and violence are over, Serbias authority will be restored over the south of Kosovo, BUT with peaceful means. FIrst there will be victory on the international court, then withdrawals of "Kosova" will begin.
Together with a world economic depression life in SErbia with a great autonomy will not seem so bad after all... Just ask the hundreds of thousands albanians that have taken Serbian passports in the last years!

Ceku is wrong. Force must not be used.
Norther part of Kosova is being ruled by mafia, Serbian and Kosovar. My proposal is that this part should be left as it is for another year and than introduce the law. As it is this part of Kosova harms both Serbia and Kosova.
Long live north of Kosova/Little Columbia

The man is a hypocrite- let him speak- the more he speaks the more ordinary people in Europe will see the lies we have been fed by the USA and UK!!!
(Diana, 27 October 2008 14:03)

Do you think that northern part of Kosova will ever join Serbia?. No I don't think so but I wish you luck on that one. Same thing tried Russia in Georgia but no one is recognizing South Osetia and Abkhazia.
Mr. Ceku is a real military man. He made it clear to those who understand it. No violence but use of force. As far as I know Kosovo is recognized internationally with its' present borders and that's the way it should be. There is nothing Serbia or anyone else can do. I also know that in the northern part of Kosovo most of the ilegal things are happening so I would urge authorities in Pristina to take action and stop that drug smuggling. Serbia can't help itself, what makes you think that serbia can help K-serbs. Do you think that Mr. Ceku would ever order something such as slobodan milosevic ordered in 1998-99. It's time for law and order to be restored everywhere inside internationally recognized borders of Kosovo.

> And how is this guy different from Milosevic?

Start here [link]
(Wake up, 27 October 2008 16:07)


You can also pay a visit to this.
And yes, hopefully this helps identify who initiated ethnic cleansing in Kosovo.

http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/kosovo/cuska/frame_body-part5.html

I don’t think there is need of force in the north.

Give a time to the K-Serbs and they will realise that they cannot pretend to rule over the overwhelming K-Albanian majority. I know that this attitude can provoke frustration as any other racist claim but there must be calm and rational decisions to be made.

This does not mean that there should not be done anything in this regard.

As Ceku says an efficient control of the borders against the smugglers and dismantlement of the state infrastructure that Serbia holds there should be done gradually.

I don’t see the reason to apply any restrictions on the trade between Kosova and Serbia and especially Serbia and northern Kosova but it is unacceptable to allow to Serbia to extend her services in Kosova without any authorisation and regulation i.e. the Serbian telecom cannot operate in Kosova without any authorisation and without complying to the Kosova’s regulation and laws or other services of the foreign state.

I think that the Ceku’s statement should be viewed in this contest.

K-Serbs are Kosovars just as K-Albanians.

Let's be realistic. Time of using force and playing Generals is over.
Noone will play "1999" in changed rolles between Albanians and Serbs. Only some politicians -from both sides- are trying to gain progile on this. Forget about precedent and Kosovo souvereignty-phrases etc. One can not always mingle the Kosovo-matter with problems in the world. A doc wouldn't leave a patient untreated just because there are other people in the world who can't get treatment.
Kosovo has to be partitioned and the curtains closed in this bad show. FIN, END, KONAC, FUND.
Let's go home now, there's nothing to be seen anymore.

> And how is this guy different from Milosevic?

Start here http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CEED61E38F930A35753C1A964958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

"Ceku, who is the leader of the Social Democratic Party, said the Thaci government has no concrete plan to spread its authority in the north.

For his part, Ceku did no rule out using force to achieve this. "

Nato and Kfor will never allow Pristina to use any force. They have not allowed it since 1999, otherwise Pristina would have tried to do so long ago. Why? Because that would expose the big lie in the West's fictitious claim of multiethnic harmony in Kosovo before the entire world.

That is the reality on the ground. Supervised independence simply means Nato/Kfor/Eulex call the shots, not Pristina!

Meantime no harm for Ceku to continue his fantasy for violence in his own mind.

This to my mind is being blown out of proportion, i am sure General Ceku knows that he or KosovA is in no position to start another war with Serbia. There is a message there though and i think all the parties in KosovA will agree when i say that we will protect Mitrovica until the last man, and if Serbia decides to take some further action like the MARCH demonstrations and the UN blockade, then the Kosovo government should use force to protect its territory from hooligans

«Peter Sudyka»,You're wrong... UCK was dismantled only on paper! UCK is still alive and that's why Ceku wants to use the force.If you'll check the local police,government there are all of them members of UCK. And even without UCK the albanians burned all that belongs to serbs and still are doing it.KFOR-NATO is just supervising...

Ceku should know the use of force by now. Afterall, he used it with Croatia's patronage and American blessing in Krajina. Now, he wants to try it in Kosovo-Metohija. Will the American's stand by this war crimminal -who should be in the hague, again? One day this double standard the Americans and their lackeys are playing with will come back to haunt them.

The man is a hypocrite- let him speak- the more he speaks the more ordinary people in Europe will see the lies we have been fed by the USA and UK!!!

Vladimir

Russia would not help Serbia in "taking back" the North. You think they'd risk open war with NATO? The Russian army is already obsolete and demoralized, this war would just mean its destruction. Georgia is in Russia's sphere of influence, Serbia is in the West's sphere of influence.

We all saw what happened when Saakashvili tried to use force to secure Abkhazia and South Ossetia, does this guy want to plunge Kosovo into another war? With what? Kosovo doesn't even have an army to use force in the first place! I am sure if Kosovo tried this, they would lose some important allies.

Hmmm...it appears you can take the war criminal out of the war, but you can't take the war out of the war criminal.

This guy, to put it simply, needs to shut the hell up and retire somewhere before he ends up alienating the few allies he and the illegal govt of Pristina still have nowadays.

Keep cool yow. "Don't take your guns to town son, ..."
Ceku is just a former!! prime-something, there's plenty of them in Kosovo and Serbia. K-Albanians need north-Kosovo as much as Serbia needs the Rest(AL-habited)Kosovo as much as a fish needs a bicycle.
So let's exercise in a chorus: P, Pa, Part, Parti, Par-ti-tion.

"Use of force is the task of every security organ. I would not say use of violence, but of force, if necessary. The functioning of the state and government in every part of the country is the task of institutions, which have their instruments and powers. Force is one of those powers," he elaborated.

And how is this guy different from Milosevic?

Oh right. He needs to rely once more on someone else's power and military to do what he/Pristina can't do. Always the warlord, even when he no longer has an army to command.

Kind of funny, but not surprising, how the Albanians here seem to quietly approve the use of force when they can't stop harping about Serb use of force nearly 10 years ago. And then they wonder why many of us simply don't believe in this multi-ethnic lala land they're trying to paint "Kosova" as.

Ceku is a violent criminal thug he always thinks violence and killing Serbs is the answer to problems. Killing Serbs was the answer to Croatias problems and killing Serbs is the answer to Kosovo's problems

To Mike and Jovan:

I think there is a great degree of shame on Serbia's behalf, thus the need for ordinary citizens such as yourselfs to manipulate retrospective information.

I think it is possible, on your part, to manipulate history, although I doubt very much that Ceku committed those crimes, after all, your link clearly suggests that Ceku was suspected of initiating those crimes, however you failed to provide concrete evidence, such as what Blero has achieved with his infromative link. When people have no concrete evidence, they endeavour to create something out of nothing, thus Mike and Jovan writing an essay on their views.

As far as the blame game goes, I dont think that any honest politician in Serbia (which is seldom) can say that Kosovo started the war. On the contrary, actually, Kosovo was better off, and we knew it, under Yugoslavia, under Tito's regime, so they had'nt the need to secede or advocate it in anyway.

But the shift from Socialism to Nationalism is something not even Mike and Jovan can justify, because it went againt everything that Yugoslavia stood for, Milosevic stemmed the way for wide-spread massacre against ethnicities other than of Serbian origin.

Why else did Milosevic shift ideologies? Can you answer this simple question?

Slovenia was the first to secede after growing nationalism (in a constitutionally socialist federation) which was later followed by Kosova.

As far as the independence goes, Serbias diplomatic front has been analagous to a fish attempting endlessly to swim against the, strong and stagnant stream.

looks like the bouncer inside is coming out again... =)

is he just about to make the biggest mistake in his entire career?

Serbia is prepared...

If i was the president of Serbia, i would mobilize a few do the EXACT same thing as Russia did when Georgia tried using force against Russian civilians in S. Ossetia & Abkazia. Mobilize the special forces, put the air force on alert, and get the tanks on standby. If the Albanians are so foolish to try anything that dumb, let them know those kinds of actions will NOT be tolerated. Russia now has strength to stand by us every step of the way. Maybe then, it will show the whole world that the answer to the Kosovo crisis is negotiations.

Sorry Wake Up and blero, but you're going to have to do a lot better than cherry picking history to sanitize your argument and disprove mine. My comment questions the difference between Milosevic's tactics of choosing to use force to quell a non-compliant area, and Ceku's apparent decision to resort to force as well. Thaci and Sejdiu have also expressed their willingness to use other people's military hardware in achieving their goals. But how Milosevic's link to Ceku can be discounted by disjointed reference to the rape of Bosnian women by Serbian paralimitary forces escapes my apparently limited knowledge. If Milosevic himself raped 150 Bosnian women, then I humbly stand corrected. Without discounting the crimes committed in Serbia's name that many here already know about, it's interesting how Wake Up and blero skip over Ceku's colored past of being personally involved in the Medak pocket. Here, I'll even throw in a link of my own that took me less that 3 seconds to find on Google that can prove my own point on Ceku:

http://www.motherjones.com/news/special_reports/total_coverage/kosovo/ceku.html

I don't expect blero or Wake Up to believe it, but the point is that any nationalist can find something to substantiate his/her claim, and more often than not, such claims are historically sanitized for maximum effect.

And speaking of sanitized history, if we're going to once more play the blame game of "who started it" in Kosovo as blero seems to be eager to do with his link, I ask objectively why Serb forces were cracking down in the first place. Not only that, I can find numerous web links that attests to growing Albanian terrorism in Kosovo and the response taken by Serb security forces, though I doubt blero or any other Albanian nationalist would take it seriously. If anyone - Serb or Albanian - honestly thinks that the spiraling conflicts in Kosovo throughout the late 1980s and 1990s was not a result of a tit for tat security dilemma, with violations committed on both sides, and each side containing elements eager for an all out war, then there's no point in discussing the topic any further with them.

Ceku is wrong. Force must not be used.
Norther part of Kosova is being ruled by mafia, Serbian and Kosovar. My proposal is that this part should be left as it is for another year and than introduce the law. As it is this part of Kosova harms both Serbia and Kosova.
Long live north of Kosova/Little Columbia
(Olf, 27 October 2008 13:53)

Olf,

The biggest opponent of ceku is thaci at this moment, not some Serbs in or outside of Kosovo. Thaci and his group did handle the entire Kosovo issue pathetically, my understanding ceku is trying to make some gains. If it would be of political gain, he would call for small green space aliens to intervene north of Kosovo.

As far as being "detached" from Serbia... Some would be disappointed, but people who live south of Ibar and their mother tongue is not Slavic - even they aren't detached from Belgrade as some would think. Most domestic engineering jobs are in BG, BG has better universities... and so on, so on. It's not perhaps what is said loudly. Time will tell.

How far is the Northern part of KosMet ruled by mafia was unclear, I have my little doubts that it is endlessly over-played on both sides for better political effect. Like said, better jobs are in Belgrade and Vojvodina - regardless are you talking about Zvecan or Prishtina.

A good indication of potential are the Chinese immigrants. Chinatowns grow, where is more opportunity. So come and see where the Chinese immigrants settle....

Peter,

While the "West" is obsessed with non-existing Russian bears, the real ones infiltrating America from inside. Soon, a large army of REAL Russians will emerge within America because Americans do everything possible to bring them over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIOrt4K-XDs

Let the West believe, there are bears. "Russian Bear" is a stupid Western invention, the real favorite as you see is different. AFAIK, he is the main hero of every Salvic folklore, not the bear. Including Serbian, Slovak, Czech... perhaps Polish, too.

The big secret for me is, how does that American woman hold the Russian guy without being seriously hurt!

He better use this force before George Dubya is gone.

McCain doesn't look like he can win and Obama seems a little more calm. Even though he supports independent Kosovo it doesn't mean he intends to impose independent Kosovo.

Desperate last words of a desperate man.

McCain doesn't look like he can win
(Peggy, 27 October 2008 20:49)

According Ms. Pálin(ka) God will intervene and help them to win because America is God's land and they are the True Believers. If that would be the case, He (i.e. God) should continue the monumental work and seriously save all people after. McCain health is not good, he has cancer and potentially he can retire from his duty at any time. While that type of cancer is very slow-working, we can say, she would be only a cancer complication away from becoming the president of USA. If so, than god help all humans.

"Also Jovan, how is Serbia prepared?
Are we (you) still advocating use of force?
How do you think that will end?
Care to elaborate further?
(blero, 27 October 2008 13:07)"

well, Blero, I don´t know what it is you don´t understand, but I will try to answer you...

of course I do not advocate the use of brutal force against innocent civilians! but you should´n have a doubt about the resolve to protect all serbian citizens ( be it ethnic serbs or albanians ) on serbian territory against EVERY attempt to endanger them.

that means, if ceku or any other of these should ever try to raise his hand against those who are not dreaming his sick dream... this hand should not only be broken but torn off.

my only concern is that if there should be such a development in the southern serbian province, that those who are on duty right now could be hesitating ( because they are apparently not acting in the interest of the serb state ) before they are replaced by the people of Serbia.

and since we all know that it is a difference fighting against an army instead of civilians who are sitting in cafe´s and having a coffe...
this poor chickenthief is playing with fire...

and he´s doing that against the interests of all serbian citizens in southern Serbia, no matter which ethnicity they are of.

so, the responsibility will be clearly on his side, if any bigger conflict breaks out.

I don't like the idea of using force, that Ceku is coming up with. Force only results in increased nationalism, which hasn't been good for the balkans.
Just let the Serbs in northern Kosova rule themselves, however if a Serb official is found and proven to foster an environment of lawlessness on purpose he/she should face the rule of law and justice. Other than that let them have their own mayors, schools, hospitals, whatever they want so they feel they are ruling themselves and are in charge of their future and their own destiny, short of Belgrade ruling them. I think it is realistic to assume that on that part of Kosova there will be some form ohether it is written down on paper or not.

"Even though he supports independent Kosovo it doesn't mean he intends to impose independent Kosovo."

What imposing? EU has this now and NATO is protecting the borders. Law and order will be enforced, just like Serbs do in Presheva valley.

Regarding Obama: See Biden and Anthony Lake. Lake is his main adviser in 1999:
"At some point, when a country such as Serbia shows enough irresponsibility in internal governance, it forfeits its right to sovereignty over its current territory.

"In the end, if neither the Serbs nor the Kosovars accept this deal - which I suspect will happen - then we are going to have to find a way to put independence on the table," he said."
http://media.www.dailynebraskan.com/media/storage/paper857/news/1999/03/11/News/Lake-No.Easy.Solution.For.Kosovo-1738392.shtml

Susan Rice, Powers, Allbright, Wesley Clark, Hoolbrooke all agree with Kosova's independence, the rest is small potatoes.

Do you think that Mr. Ceku would ever order something such as slobodan milosevic ordered in 1998-99.
(Albo_Canada, 27 October 2008 23:43)?

According Ms. Pálin(ka) God will intervene and help them to win because America is God's land and they are the True Believers.

How silly of me to forget that Ataman.
Those Americans do belive their own you know what.

"(lowe,

My dear friend Kosova would not be independent country today if it was up to Serbia,so Serbia doesn't call the shots either,Serbia or Kosova will never call the shots until both economy's catch up with that of Germany or France and sorry but maybe you and i will never see it maybe our kids will.

((Viti i Balit, 27 October 2008 13:40) "

Viti i Balit,

Stop kidding yourself. Kosovo is not independent. It is now a US/EU/Nato colony. That's the reality.

"I don’t see the reason to apply any restrictions on the trade between Kosova and Serbia and especially Serbia and northern Kosova but it is unacceptable to allow to Serbia to extend her services in Kosova without any authorisation and regulation i.e. the Serbian telecom cannot operate in Kosova without any authorisation and without complying to the Kosova’s regulation and laws or other services of the foreign state.

I think that the Ceku’s statement should be viewed in this contest.

K-Serbs are Kosovars just as K-Albanians.
(ben, 27 October 2008 13:41)"

Apply restrictions? Who's going to apply the restrictions? There is now trade between Serbia proper and north Kosovo, and Pristina has been powerless to do anything about it. Because your overlord Nato wouldn't let you even try! That's the reality on the ground.

As for K-Serbs being Kosovars, well, I don't think they agree with you on that one! Another reality on the ground.

"Mr. Ceku is a real military man. He made it clear to those who understand it. No violence but use of force. As far as I know Kosovo is recognized internationally with its' present borders and that's the way it should be. There is nothing Serbia or anyone else can do. I also know that in the northern part of Kosovo most of the ilegal things are happening so I would urge authorities in Pristina to take action and stop that drug smuggling. Serbia can't help itself, what makes you think that serbia can help K-serbs. Do you think that Mr. Ceku would ever order something such as slobodan milosevic ordered in 1998-99. It's time for law and order to be restored everywhere inside internationally recognized borders of Kosovo.
(Albo_Canada, 27 October 2008 23:43) "

Albo_Canada,

"No violence but use of force" ??????? I wonder how you are going to accomplish this? Unless you are talking about dead K-Serbs who can't resist.

As for your "internationally recognized borders of Kosovo", it doesn't apply to the majority of the world, and certainly not in the community of sovereign nations at the UN!

Put a warlord in a suit and he's still a warlord.

Mr Ceku, do you honestly belive that NATO will go in to the North and enclaves and force EULEX and Pristina's 'authority' on the Serb and non Albanian population through the use of force.

Do you have any idea of what will happen? Do you expect Belgrade to sit idly by.

Well here is what will happen. If NATO goes into the Serb areas and the North and begins arresting K-Serb officials and dismantling their institutions, you can expect a backlash. When dead Serbs/Roma/Gorani start appearing on the streets of Mitrovica/Prizren/Pristina/ enclaves etc. you can then expect VS troops & tanks to start rolling back into Kosmet.

Are you for real?

Are you mad?

Do you think that Mr. Ceku would ever order something such as slobodan milosevic ordered in 1998-99.
(Albo_Canada, 27 October 2008 23:43)?
(Ataman, 28 October 2008 01:13)

I answered "YES", but B92 cut it and it became an empty message.

so again:

Yes, I think, given the possibilities, snake/pigeon/etc. WOULD order something such as slobodan milosevic ordered in 1998-99. Or even worse things.

Mirsad UK,

You say "When people have no concrete evidence, they endeavour to create something out of nothing", and this is the point of my comment. Look at the range of opinions just on this one article and note the almost complete 50/50 split between Albanians and their supports and Serbs and theirs over just the personality of Ceku. You point to blero's "concrete evidence" because you choose to believe his/her link fits your historical memory more than mine. Thst's fine. That was the point of my comment. People believe what they want to believe, and they'll find any article that spins the topic to their liking on the web to point to substantiated evidence. Blero's link is just as valid/meaningless as the one I posted. But you seem to assume that I need to manipulate retrospective information in order to shift blame and shame. Obviously you didn't read my entire comment as I attributed blame to both sides in an ongoing struggle over at least 20 years. I can't speak on behalf of Jovan, but please don't accuse me of engaging in selective history when your comments have followed the pattern.