"EU's latest Serbia report negative"

seems like this is the beginning of a new round of pressure on Serbia... but, it also seems like they STILL haven´t realize that Serbia won´t let Kosovo be grabbed away by terrorists...

there is no such pressure in this entire world, my dear EUSSR-apparatchiks... =)

you will learn that, I am sure.

Jovan,

Being a citizen of one EU country I want that Serbia rids itself of corruption and creates judicial system where judges of all court levels are totally independent. These things not only help and motivate me and my business to do co-operation with Serbian companies but also they guarantee that you receive justice and equal opportunities in your country.

You have something against this?

Clean up your system and any honest citizen of Serbia benefits of it immediately. And I rather turn to you than to Bulgarians.

I´d just like to correct my little typing mistake: it should have been "still haven´t realizeD" of course...

as for Olli, the EU-citizen...

do you think, an independent judicial system and the absence of corruption is warranted in the EU?

I think you´ve been a little bit too naive, my friend. and I do not mean this as an offense!

not so long ago, the EU had to replace a whole bunch of some high rank officials because they were too stupid to make their "businesses" in a rather discrete manner...

and you are talking about a corrupt Serbia? =)

oh, just to inform you: although I am against the EUSSR..., I think that Serbia will end up in the EU too.

the question is, under which circumstances this will happen.

if you do not want to make business with serbian companies, ... don´t! others will.

got my point?

Anti-Adventist Church graffiti appearing in Vojvodina have caused a stern reaction from the EU

Don't all the EU countries have hooligans writing racist graffiti? I see swastikas on sidewalks and walls in Poland, London, and Paris despite the illegality. I don't see how the graffiti is so concerning to the EU. Government backed policies should be concerning but not the actions of unsupported hooligans.

This is a kick in the teeth to Tadic and company!

No wonder he has no teeth,.. some friends you have Mr. Tadic.

If you go to the helsinki committe for serbia site:
http://www.helsinki.org.yu/
you will get a sense of SOME of the challenges and problems the report is highlighting.

sonia biserko and the committee are being targeted with a vehemence we never saw before this time. there was one recent related report on this site, but it was really only a shadow of the truth. i urge readers to go to the site, and support the committee, and all those who legitimately struggle for human rights.

this report should be a wake-up call.

thank you.
robert-o

"The degree of corruption in Serbia is increasingly worrying, since the situation has significantly deteriorated in comparison to the previous period"

HA! so much for "a european Serbia" coalition... ;)

Tadic never make a promise you can't keep.

I congratulate the EU on giving a negative report as to Serbia. This is just a complex formula, literally almost changing daily, as to what the EU bureaucrats want Serbia to be transformed into, in order to make Serbia "good enough" to join the EU. I wonder if all the present countries in the EU could pass the scrutiny that is being required of Serbia. I'm certainly glad that the Helsinki Commission doesn't come into my country, the US, and tell us what we're doing wrong, because, believe me, we wouldn't pass. But that's just fine that the EU keeps placing all these ever-changing conditions on Serbia- hopefully, it will keep Serbia out of the EU. There is nothing wrong with trying to improve one's society- we all try to do that. However, it is wrong for any foreign multi-cultural organizations, such as the EU, or NGO's, to impose their beliefs or standards onto another country such as Serbia, who has their own unique culture and history. Let them keep applying new conditions for Serbia so that Serbs (and eventually Tadic and Co.) will get tired of chasing the EU "rainbow".

The basic problem is this....


"the constitutionally guaranteed right to freedom of thought and expression in Serbia has been "seriously violated".

The EU delegation welcomed a recent police decision to ban a neo-Nazi rally in Belgrade, noting that bans are a measure that must be accompanied by campaigns in education, media, and a series of anti-discriminatory measures"


I don't agree with Nazi-ism by any stretch but people are entitled to their freedom of thought and expression. When an institution turns around and says "you must have freedom of thought...but you can't have it for the things we disagree with" then that's not freedom of thought and expression, it's blatant hypocrisy. When that is further compounded by rewards being given for 'good thinking' and punishments given for 'bad thinking' then it moves from hypocrisy to the same kind of training you'd give your new puppy. A biscuit when he sits and gives you his paw, a smack when he barks too loudly and disturbs the neighbours.

I need look no further than my own country (UK) and its many accusations of terrorism against innocent people and nations for examples that true freedom of will, thought, and expression, is not something that is actively encouraged.

Jovan,

As you seemingly don't operate in field of commerce I present you some points:

1A 100% independent judicial system and 100% absence of corruption exist nowhere. The point is how likely you get in trouble. In a good environment your chances are smaller, in a corrupted bigger. You don't want to continue business in an environment where judicial system can't (or doesn't want if not receiving money) support your rights against those who for example cheat you. You may not know but it is a very common thing that Serbian side of business agreement doesn't want to realize that what is signed should keep.

Just to tell you that I'm not a lonely rider in this matter I'll quote you what US Department of Commerce says about difficulties in doing business in Serbia:

"There are some challenges and factors that inhibit trade and investment. For example: lack of relevant legislation and enforcement, inefficient bureaucracy; a slow moving court system; organized crime influence in all sectors of the economy; corruption; intellectual property rights violations; and a complicated and often non transparent tendering process."

Naturally, you may be able to find foreign business partners any way. But be prepared that they often are not clean themselves.

A big number of Serbian businesses suffer of these same problems in domestic commerce. Listen to what they say. And then try to tell them they are wrong.

You write:" [...]the EU had to replace a whole bunch of some high rank officials because they were too stupid to make their "businesses" in a rather discrete manner..."

I wait similar things to happen in Serbia. And you call me naive...

Olli i think you will find there is always a degree of corruption in all goverments.

What the EU needs to see is MR Tadic is going out of his way to get into europe, and if the EU does not deliver the Serb opposition will gain political ground, As someone from the EU i can tell you guys being in the EU is overrated. I has Brit want out.

OK, Daven

Let's go your way. Serbia needs not to develop it's educational system since there are always countries offering somewhat inadequate education. Serbia needs not to fight high unemployment since there is always a degree of unemployment in all countries. Serbia needs not to fight housing problem since some level of housing problem exists in all countries. Serbia needs not to fight poverty since there is always a degree of poverty in all countries. Etc.

Serbia can relax.

dear Olli, beside the little fact that is doesn´t matter where I "operate"... you seem to be a "smart" guy, right? =)

well, to be honest, STILL no offense, but yes, indeed, I do call you naive... now even more than before.

Serbia needs to develop it´s educational system? well, guess who is winning prices on and on at international pupils-math-tournaments etc. ?

well, you seem to be deeply stuck in one of these attitudes dominated by prejudices and stereotypes about the balkans...

but, why do I wonder about that, since you are a "EU-citizen", right? =)

I´ll tell you something, my friend, you don´t have to "operate in the field of commerce" to know the old roman legal proposition "pacta sunt servanda" ...and in Serbia this is very well known!
... and what is most astonishing, even though there is such a terrible "corruption " in Serbia, as stated by you, the economy is growing year by year...and some bigger players than you are ( just take FIAT as only one example ) will certainly have made a weighting of interests and risks in regard to their investment in Serbia, before they signed the deal...

well, and as a pro "in the field of commerce" you will of course know what that means, if a car-builder is moving in... I don´t have to explain that, I guess.

you wait for similar things to happen in Serbia? well, given that this is happening more visible and even radical in Serbia than in many other "EU"-states, I´d say that you do not know what you´re saying here.

don´t worry about Serbia, better take care of your own house, my dear friend, since it seems like in your very own backyard they are thinking about quasi-communist measures to save own key-industries... not to mention Sarko´s idea of protectionism or missy Merkel´s intervention against a chinese investment in the german financial market...

you as an expert in "the field of commerce" will of course understand what I am telling you... =)

perhaps, you´d be better off in an economic chat?

once again, don´t worry about Serbia, ...Serbia is on the right way.

and in regard of the Kosovo-issue, Serbia got the moral and historical right on her side, not to talk about international law...

Serbia can go on following this path, and you can relax and take a deep breath and decide for yourself, whether you want to invest or not.

but if you don´t - as already stated above, OTHER´s WILL!

I think that was clear enough.

Anti-Adventist Church graffiti appearing in Vojvodina have caused a stern reaction from the EU

Don't all the EU countries have hooligans writing racist graffiti? I see swastikas on sidewalks and walls in Poland, London, and Paris despite the illegality. I don't see how the graffiti is so concerning to the EU. Government backed policies should be concerning but not the actions of unsupported hooligans.

seems like this is the beginning of a new round of pressure on Serbia... but, it also seems like they STILL haven´t realize that Serbia won´t let Kosovo be grabbed away by terrorists...

there is no such pressure in this entire world, my dear EUSSR-apparatchiks... =)

you will learn that, I am sure.

Jovan,

Being a citizen of one EU country I want that Serbia rids itself of corruption and creates judicial system where judges of all court levels are totally independent. These things not only help and motivate me and my business to do co-operation with Serbian companies but also they guarantee that you receive justice and equal opportunities in your country.

You have something against this?

Clean up your system and any honest citizen of Serbia benefits of it immediately. And I rather turn to you than to Bulgarians.

This is a kick in the teeth to Tadic and company!

No wonder he has no teeth,.. some friends you have Mr. Tadic.

If you go to the helsinki committe for serbia site:
http://www.helsinki.org.yu/
you will get a sense of SOME of the challenges and problems the report is highlighting.

sonia biserko and the committee are being targeted with a vehemence we never saw before this time. there was one recent related report on this site, but it was really only a shadow of the truth. i urge readers to go to the site, and support the committee, and all those who legitimately struggle for human rights.

this report should be a wake-up call.

thank you.
robert-o

I´d just like to correct my little typing mistake: it should have been "still haven´t realizeD" of course...

as for Olli, the EU-citizen...

do you think, an independent judicial system and the absence of corruption is warranted in the EU?

I think you´ve been a little bit too naive, my friend. and I do not mean this as an offense!

not so long ago, the EU had to replace a whole bunch of some high rank officials because they were too stupid to make their "businesses" in a rather discrete manner...

and you are talking about a corrupt Serbia? =)

oh, just to inform you: although I am against the EUSSR..., I think that Serbia will end up in the EU too.

the question is, under which circumstances this will happen.

if you do not want to make business with serbian companies, ... don´t! others will.

got my point?

"The degree of corruption in Serbia is increasingly worrying, since the situation has significantly deteriorated in comparison to the previous period"

HA! so much for "a european Serbia" coalition... ;)

Tadic never make a promise you can't keep.

I congratulate the EU on giving a negative report as to Serbia. This is just a complex formula, literally almost changing daily, as to what the EU bureaucrats want Serbia to be transformed into, in order to make Serbia "good enough" to join the EU. I wonder if all the present countries in the EU could pass the scrutiny that is being required of Serbia. I'm certainly glad that the Helsinki Commission doesn't come into my country, the US, and tell us what we're doing wrong, because, believe me, we wouldn't pass. But that's just fine that the EU keeps placing all these ever-changing conditions on Serbia- hopefully, it will keep Serbia out of the EU. There is nothing wrong with trying to improve one's society- we all try to do that. However, it is wrong for any foreign multi-cultural organizations, such as the EU, or NGO's, to impose their beliefs or standards onto another country such as Serbia, who has their own unique culture and history. Let them keep applying new conditions for Serbia so that Serbs (and eventually Tadic and Co.) will get tired of chasing the EU "rainbow".

The basic problem is this....


"the constitutionally guaranteed right to freedom of thought and expression in Serbia has been "seriously violated".

The EU delegation welcomed a recent police decision to ban a neo-Nazi rally in Belgrade, noting that bans are a measure that must be accompanied by campaigns in education, media, and a series of anti-discriminatory measures"


I don't agree with Nazi-ism by any stretch but people are entitled to their freedom of thought and expression. When an institution turns around and says "you must have freedom of thought...but you can't have it for the things we disagree with" then that's not freedom of thought and expression, it's blatant hypocrisy. When that is further compounded by rewards being given for 'good thinking' and punishments given for 'bad thinking' then it moves from hypocrisy to the same kind of training you'd give your new puppy. A biscuit when he sits and gives you his paw, a smack when he barks too loudly and disturbs the neighbours.

I need look no further than my own country (UK) and its many accusations of terrorism against innocent people and nations for examples that true freedom of will, thought, and expression, is not something that is actively encouraged.

Jovan,

As you seemingly don't operate in field of commerce I present you some points:

1A 100% independent judicial system and 100% absence of corruption exist nowhere. The point is how likely you get in trouble. In a good environment your chances are smaller, in a corrupted bigger. You don't want to continue business in an environment where judicial system can't (or doesn't want if not receiving money) support your rights against those who for example cheat you. You may not know but it is a very common thing that Serbian side of business agreement doesn't want to realize that what is signed should keep.

Just to tell you that I'm not a lonely rider in this matter I'll quote you what US Department of Commerce says about difficulties in doing business in Serbia:

"There are some challenges and factors that inhibit trade and investment. For example: lack of relevant legislation and enforcement, inefficient bureaucracy; a slow moving court system; organized crime influence in all sectors of the economy; corruption; intellectual property rights violations; and a complicated and often non transparent tendering process."

Naturally, you may be able to find foreign business partners any way. But be prepared that they often are not clean themselves.

A big number of Serbian businesses suffer of these same problems in domestic commerce. Listen to what they say. And then try to tell them they are wrong.

You write:" [...]the EU had to replace a whole bunch of some high rank officials because they were too stupid to make their "businesses" in a rather discrete manner..."

I wait similar things to happen in Serbia. And you call me naive...

Olli i think you will find there is always a degree of corruption in all goverments.

What the EU needs to see is MR Tadic is going out of his way to get into europe, and if the EU does not deliver the Serb opposition will gain political ground, As someone from the EU i can tell you guys being in the EU is overrated. I has Brit want out.

OK, Daven

Let's go your way. Serbia needs not to develop it's educational system since there are always countries offering somewhat inadequate education. Serbia needs not to fight high unemployment since there is always a degree of unemployment in all countries. Serbia needs not to fight housing problem since some level of housing problem exists in all countries. Serbia needs not to fight poverty since there is always a degree of poverty in all countries. Etc.

Serbia can relax.

dear Olli, beside the little fact that is doesn´t matter where I "operate"... you seem to be a "smart" guy, right? =)

well, to be honest, STILL no offense, but yes, indeed, I do call you naive... now even more than before.

Serbia needs to develop it´s educational system? well, guess who is winning prices on and on at international pupils-math-tournaments etc. ?

well, you seem to be deeply stuck in one of these attitudes dominated by prejudices and stereotypes about the balkans...

but, why do I wonder about that, since you are a "EU-citizen", right? =)

I´ll tell you something, my friend, you don´t have to "operate in the field of commerce" to know the old roman legal proposition "pacta sunt servanda" ...and in Serbia this is very well known!
... and what is most astonishing, even though there is such a terrible "corruption " in Serbia, as stated by you, the economy is growing year by year...and some bigger players than you are ( just take FIAT as only one example ) will certainly have made a weighting of interests and risks in regard to their investment in Serbia, before they signed the deal...

well, and as a pro "in the field of commerce" you will of course know what that means, if a car-builder is moving in... I don´t have to explain that, I guess.

you wait for similar things to happen in Serbia? well, given that this is happening more visible and even radical in Serbia than in many other "EU"-states, I´d say that you do not know what you´re saying here.

don´t worry about Serbia, better take care of your own house, my dear friend, since it seems like in your very own backyard they are thinking about quasi-communist measures to save own key-industries... not to mention Sarko´s idea of protectionism or missy Merkel´s intervention against a chinese investment in the german financial market...

you as an expert in "the field of commerce" will of course understand what I am telling you... =)

perhaps, you´d be better off in an economic chat?

once again, don´t worry about Serbia, ...Serbia is on the right way.

and in regard of the Kosovo-issue, Serbia got the moral and historical right on her side, not to talk about international law...

Serbia can go on following this path, and you can relax and take a deep breath and decide for yourself, whether you want to invest or not.

but if you don´t - as already stated above, OTHER´s WILL!

I think that was clear enough.