Montenegrin opposition demands referendum

Milo can't stop the inevitable.

Referendum will not happen now. Milo can't afford it, but once the new elections take place and this disgraceful government is thrown out of the office, this shameful recognition of Kosovo will be just a shameful memory.

Adriano, aren't referendum's and elections a natural part of the democratic process? Why can't they call for a referendum or early election? Is that somehow a crime in your view for democracies as a whole or just if Serbians ask for a referendum or early election?

Adriano, what you fail to understand is that it's not Serbia calling for a referrendum but rather the Serbs who are Montenegrin citizens and those that form Montenegrin political parties.

1/3rd of Montenegro's population consider themselves Serbian while 65% speak Serbian language instead of this "Montenegrin" language.

They are well within their rights to demand a referrendum or election given that the overwhelming majority of Montengrins oppose recognition.

Once the inevitable referendum is done regarding the peoples feelings towards the recent recognition of Kosovo the current heavily diluted government in charge will have no choice left but to withdraw the recognition of sovereignty. The vote will be a landslide in favor of Serbia as although some self proclaimed Montenegrin's may consider themselves separate from Serbs they still cannot deny the deep and traditional ties they share with their brothers. The only votes against such a vote will be from the ethnic Albanian residents.

Why are Serbs causing problems in all the foreign countries they live in? Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova?
(Pavaresi)

Well look who's talking? I guess the albanians in Macedonia, Serbian Kosovo, Presevo and Montenegro have not caused any problems what so ever. By the way these are not foreign countries to the serbs. Serbs have lived here for centuries and it's their land. You Paveresi make it sound like they arrived resently as political refugees or something. Besides, how come serbs in Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia and Montenegro today live peacefully with other nationalities but in Kosovo they are still not allowed to move out of their homes without the risk of being murdered by albanian extremists?

Pavaresi,

Why are the governments of Croatia, Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia causing further instability in the Balkans by recognizing the annexation of historic Serbian lands in blatant disregard of international law?

My father is a Montenegrin from Cetinje and my mother a Serb from Vojvodina via Krajina. Now growing up, I can not recall a difference between there ethnicity. Now all of a sudden being Montenegrin means you are not Serb?! My father is even caught up in this, even though he speaks Serbian, and baptized myself and my sisters in the Serbian orthodox church. Now I married my wife from Latin America in a Serbian orthodox church here in Melbourne Australia and he was happy with this. I also cannot find it written in history were Vladika Danilo, Njegos, Krajl Nikola or any other prominent “Montenegrin” refer to themselves as anything but true patriotic Serbs. The only one is Milo “I got rich” Djukanovic. My point being, argue all you like, but Orthodox slavs (For lack of a better word) from Montenegro feel betrayed by the governments decision to recognize Kosovo as independent. Montenegro and Serbia are not cousins or brothers, they are the same people and to pretend otherwise is just re writing history. For you westerners, read a bit of history about this region. For you self hating Serbs that live in Montenegro, wake up or deny that Njegos was a true Serb from Montenegro as you all are, and as am I.

Adriano wake up, this is nothing to do with Montenegrin independence.

This is about whether a referendum should be held on whether Montenegro should recognise Kosovo or not.

If Kosovo Albanians think they have the support of the majority of Montenegrins then I don't see why should oppose such a move.

On the other hand from a Montenegrin perspective there will probably be little to gain by cutting open an already open arm wound. Some think its best to roll down the sleeve and to pretend the wound does not exist.

Why are Serbs causing problems in all the foreign countries they live in? Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova?
(Pavaresi, 21 October 2008 17:26)

Which Serbs are you talking about here? Serbs from Serbia have nothing to do with this. This is all happening in Montenegro meaning Montenegrins (Serbs from Montenegro). You do know that Montenegrins are Serbs don't you?

Besides, why are you so worried?

Didnt Montenegro have a referendum for their own independence? Wasnt that a clear signal that they are not part of Serbia? The Serbian side lost face and now they want to reinsert them self in somebody's else's country??? Now that is a grand shame. MN is NOT SERBIA!

Adriano, I am verÝ curious as to your answer to bganon, cyngus, and zk's explaination as to how normal states work?

In a democracy, you are allowed to be disagree with what your govt does. But if your serbian and you disagree, then your a nationalist. Do you even realise your cynicism?

I wish the opposition in Montenegro the best of luck in their quest for a 'proper' referendum on Mr. Dukanovic's 'brown envelope' inspired decision to recognise the independence of illegally occupied Kosovo i Metohija.
I was in Podgerica on a Sunday in May 2006 when I witnessed a very strange referendum indeed.
I saw 'DA' posters all over the place but not one 'NE' poster.
Elderly citizens had to hand over their ID cards to police before that famous weekend and did not get them back until after the referendum so they were prevented from voting.
I believe an airline was handsomely paid to cancel over 30 flights in the days leading up to the voting day.
Only cars waving 'DA' flags pased through the new tunnel for free that day.
Young people spoke to me of their excitement at the prospect of loads of money coming in from the EU.
Election 'monitors' from the OSCE and European Parliament praised the 'fairness' of the referendum campaign.
CNN had it as their main headline that evening - God bless them.

Micheal Breathnach
in Ireland

Pavaresi, last time I looked the jury was still out on whether Kosovo was a "foreign country". That's the whole point! Me thinks thou doth protest too much!

Montanegro is NOT Serbia, but that doesn't mean the Montanegrin people support an independent Kosovo!

This is possibly due to their kinship to the Serbs. Possibly due to the fact that they fear the integrity of their own country, and don't want to see the Albanian and/or Muslim portions decalre independence.

It isn't just Serbs and Russians that are against Kosovo's independence. But I will say that, so far, it's only the Montanegrins who have the courage to stand-up against their government's decision. If this proves sucessful, I hope it inspires others.

These people have my respect!

Why are Serbs causing problems in all the foreign countries they live in? Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova?

"Why are Serbs causing problems in all the foreign countries they live in? Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova?
(Pavaresi, 21 October 2008 17:26)"

You answer your own question here...because they are not in a foreign country, they are in the one they have always lived in.

What instability? Where? And who will suffer because of this?
(Jan Andersen, DK, 22 October 2008 00:51)

Jan,

Kosovo isn't famous for ethnic tolerance but last year there were placates dedicated to spread the tolerance. These did disappear recently. An interesting observation: drive from Pristina to Pec. You will see dozens of monuments dedicated to fallen. All monuments feature pictures of young men, often in camouflage uniform and proudly holding a weapon. The number of monuments is amazingly high. That underscores the very high number of victims Albanians did mention here. It looks like a very high blood drain.

What is interesting, barely any monument does feature the Kosovo flag. Instead, the Albanian flags are omnipresent.

An other observation. It was Sunday, so while driving I did see many wedding processions. The mandatory element of a wedding procession: the first car is driven flying a huge Albanian (not Kosovo!) flag.

These observations mean: the nationalism is very strong and Albanian population supporting it does not associate itself with Kosovo - they are associating themself with Albania.

This is the answer to your question.

It is (not)surprising how you Serbs always decide what is shame and what is not, above all to others.

Don't you think you take to much freedom in judging???

Just a thought from a poor provincial Albanian ;)

Why are Serbs causing problems in all the foreign countries they live in? Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova?
(Pavaresi, 21 October 2008 17:26)
serbs in those countries are citizens of those countries. accordingly they don't live in "foreign" countries. but i see this as a freudian slip. people in the balkans are a million miles away from understanding the concept of "multiethnicity" if they consider their own minorities "foreign".

Adriano, I am really getting curious as to your explanation. For the sake of the debate, could you please answer?

Well, wouldn't it be ironic if either a referendum or early elections would cause a reversal in Montenegro's recognition of Kosovo. Possibly, you could say that the Montenegrans would be using their democratic rights by not letting their "allegedly" corrupt politicians railroad this recognition through- just as so many other countries have done. Perhaps if the citizens of Montenegro are persistant enough to withdraw their country's recognition, then perhaps other countries who have had their leaders (and not the people) recognize Kosovo will also find ways to withdraw their recognitions. Oh my, is Kosovo's UDI just a "house of cards", waiting to collapse??? All it takes is one country to revoke recognition, and others will surely follow.

Why are Serbs causing problems in all the foreign countries they live in? Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova?
(Pavaresi, 21 October 2008 17:26)

That's the nature of the beast, Pavaresi. Like the root of all problems are Russians, who put their nose into internal business of Americans worldwide.

(but where is the catch in the last sentence?)

Maybe because this is the Balkans but I hope Kosovo independence doesn't cause civil war in Montenegro and everyone can express themselves through voting in elections or referendums.

I agree totally with petar. It is very sad to see the same people brainwashed by propoganda. this new found nationalism just shows how niave serbs (montenegrins too) have always been. Serbs drank the cool aid wheb yugoslavia was formed, and are being very gullible when it comes to this sutuation.

My father is a Montenegrin from Cetinje and my mother a Serb from Vojvodina via Krajina. Now growing up, I can not recall a difference between there ethnicity. Now all of a sudden being Montenegrin means you are not Serb?! My father is even caught up in this, even though he speaks Serbian, and baptized myself and my sisters in the Serbian orthodox church. Now I married my wife from Latin America in a Serbian orthodox church here in Melbourne Australia and he was happy with this. I also cannot find it written in history were Vladika Danilo, Njegos, Krajl Nikola or any other prominent “Montenegrin” refer to themselves as anything but true patriotic Serbs. The only one is Milo “I got rich” Djukanovic. My point being, argue all you like, but Orthodox slavs (For lack of a better word) from Montenegro feel betrayed by the governments decision to recognize Kosovo as independent. Montenegro and Serbia are not cousins or brothers, they are the same people and to pretend otherwise is just re writing history. For you westerners, read a bit of history about this region. For you self hating Serbs that live in Montenegro, wake up or deny that Njegos was a true Serb from Montenegro as you all are, and as am I.
(Petar Djurkovic, 22 October 2008 11:49)

Petar, Amen to all what you said! Couldn't be more true!

I have always enjoyed Crna Goras beautiful coast, and the smoked ham in Njegosi but Tzar Milo always get me to have a bad taste in my mouth, the last true friend of Milosevic in the balkans is now considered a " good politician", for gods sake, he supported Milosevic more than anyone in the 90:s

He is a shame for MN, BTW, I like your name on him "get rich" I will use it from now on :-)

I'll leave the ethnic discussions about Serbs vs. Montenegrins, Albanians vs, Serbs, majority vs. minority behind, for enough is to say I'm pro-Serb.

Referendums and elections are both part of democratic life, yes. Follow up: Do you remember June 06's referendum result for CG's independence? Almost a 50/50!!!
No one could deny then that montenegrins were divided; if this referendum ever takes place, no one will be able to deny they are still divided, not only over Kosovo, but it's a great example.
And that's why the gov't won't give in to this democratic excercise.

If they rescend regognition which country in the wold would take Montenegro seriously.. No one so forget it. Foreign policy is made at higher levels than some local party of nationalists.

On 21 October 2008 20:06, Nemanja Connecticut wrote:

"Why are the governments of Croatia, Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia causing further instability (...)?"

What instability? Where? And who will suffer because of this?
--

"annexation of historic Serbian lands in blatant disregard of international law?"

Historic Serbian lands??? History began long before Serbs "moved into" the Balkans to find the natives, today's Albanians. The fact that in 1912 over half of our lands were taken by Serbia, Greece, FYROM and Montenegro doesn't change that fact.

Kosovo is being used again, in Montenegro, pretty much like Kostunica did in Serbia, to get some political advantage. Why are the opposition parties of Montenegro in opposition? It is because the people of Montenegro didn't vote them. The people of Montenegro didn't think they were good enough for their future. Now all of a sudden they are screaming "Kosovo".
bganon, I always like your posts, but you shouldn't wish for the people of Montenegro the sort of leaders that you knew weren't good for the people of Serbia. I don't really think you wish that, but what the opposition parties are asking in Montenegro goes in that direction.
To use your analogy, it always depends on the wound, how big it is, and how easy it is to heal. The serbian wound is much "bigger" than the Montenegrin wound(actually I think that it has infected the Montenegrin one, if not opened it).
What would be the results of a referendum about Kosovo in Serbia? And also who called for it in Serbia? I think we all know. But Kosovo is not the only issue of Serbia. The same is true for Montenegro.

"These observations mean: the nationalism is very strong and Albanian population supporting it does not associate itself with Kosovo - they are associating themself with Albania.

This is the answer to your question.
(Ataman, 22 October 2008 03:40)"

Ataman, your interpretation is not correct. That flag is common to all Albanians, Kosovo or Albania, or Macedonia or Montenegro. It doesn't mean Kosovo Albanians identify/associate with Albania, it doesn't mean Macedonian Albanians or Montenegrin Albanians identify with Albania. It is a sign of ethnic identity, not borders or states. It has been around much longer than the new flag. You should have asked to the Albanians in Kosovo what they think of Albania when you went there, you would have received contradicting answers.
Also, just for the sake of (sort of) "teaching you logic" very humbly: the monuments that you saw with the Albanian flag were built much earlier than the appearance of the new flag in 2008.

Didnt Montenegro have a referendum for their own independence? Wasnt that a clear signal that they are not part of Serbia? The Serbian side lost face and now they want to reinsert them self in somebody's else's country??? Now that is a grand shame. MN is NOT SERBIA!

It is (not)surprising how you Serbs always decide what is shame and what is not, above all to others.

Don't you think you take to much freedom in judging???

Just a thought from a poor provincial Albanian ;)

Why are Serbs causing problems in all the foreign countries they live in? Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova?

If they rescend regognition which country in the wold would take Montenegro seriously.. No one so forget it. Foreign policy is made at higher levels than some local party of nationalists.

Why are Serbs causing problems in all the foreign countries they live in? Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova?
(Pavaresi, 21 October 2008 17:26)

That's the nature of the beast, Pavaresi. Like the root of all problems are Russians, who put their nose into internal business of Americans worldwide.

(but where is the catch in the last sentence?)

Milo can't stop the inevitable.

Referendum will not happen now. Milo can't afford it, but once the new elections take place and this disgraceful government is thrown out of the office, this shameful recognition of Kosovo will be just a shameful memory.

Adriano, what you fail to understand is that it's not Serbia calling for a referrendum but rather the Serbs who are Montenegrin citizens and those that form Montenegrin political parties.

1/3rd of Montenegro's population consider themselves Serbian while 65% speak Serbian language instead of this "Montenegrin" language.

They are well within their rights to demand a referrendum or election given that the overwhelming majority of Montengrins oppose recognition.

"annexation of historic Serbian lands in blatant disregard of international law?"

Historic Serbian lands??? History began long before Serbs "moved into" the Balkans to find the natives, today's Albanians. The fact that in 1912 over half of our lands were taken by Serbia, Greece, FYROM and Montenegro doesn't change that fact.

My father is a Montenegrin from Cetinje and my mother a Serb from Vojvodina via Krajina. Now growing up, I can not recall a difference between there ethnicity. Now all of a sudden being Montenegrin means you are not Serb?! My father is even caught up in this, even though he speaks Serbian, and baptized myself and my sisters in the Serbian orthodox church. Now I married my wife from Latin America in a Serbian orthodox church here in Melbourne Australia and he was happy with this. I also cannot find it written in history were Vladika Danilo, Njegos, Krajl Nikola or any other prominent “Montenegrin” refer to themselves as anything but true patriotic Serbs. The only one is Milo “I got rich” Djukanovic. My point being, argue all you like, but Orthodox slavs (For lack of a better word) from Montenegro feel betrayed by the governments decision to recognize Kosovo as independent. Montenegro and Serbia are not cousins or brothers, they are the same people and to pretend otherwise is just re writing history. For you westerners, read a bit of history about this region. For you self hating Serbs that live in Montenegro, wake up or deny that Njegos was a true Serb from Montenegro as you all are, and as am I.

Adriano wake up, this is nothing to do with Montenegrin independence.

This is about whether a referendum should be held on whether Montenegro should recognise Kosovo or not.

If Kosovo Albanians think they have the support of the majority of Montenegrins then I don't see why should oppose such a move.

On the other hand from a Montenegrin perspective there will probably be little to gain by cutting open an already open arm wound. Some think its best to roll down the sleeve and to pretend the wound does not exist.

Adriano, aren't referendum's and elections a natural part of the democratic process? Why can't they call for a referendum or early election? Is that somehow a crime in your view for democracies as a whole or just if Serbians ask for a referendum or early election?

Once the inevitable referendum is done regarding the peoples feelings towards the recent recognition of Kosovo the current heavily diluted government in charge will have no choice left but to withdraw the recognition of sovereignty. The vote will be a landslide in favor of Serbia as although some self proclaimed Montenegrin's may consider themselves separate from Serbs they still cannot deny the deep and traditional ties they share with their brothers. The only votes against such a vote will be from the ethnic Albanian residents.

Adriano, I am verÝ curious as to your answer to bganon, cyngus, and zk's explaination as to how normal states work?

In a democracy, you are allowed to be disagree with what your govt does. But if your serbian and you disagree, then your a nationalist. Do you even realise your cynicism?

Why are Serbs causing problems in all the foreign countries they live in? Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova?
(Pavaresi)

Well look who's talking? I guess the albanians in Macedonia, Serbian Kosovo, Presevo and Montenegro have not caused any problems what so ever. By the way these are not foreign countries to the serbs. Serbs have lived here for centuries and it's their land. You Paveresi make it sound like they arrived resently as political refugees or something. Besides, how come serbs in Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia and Montenegro today live peacefully with other nationalities but in Kosovo they are still not allowed to move out of their homes without the risk of being murdered by albanian extremists?

Pavaresi,

Why are the governments of Croatia, Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia causing further instability in the Balkans by recognizing the annexation of historic Serbian lands in blatant disregard of international law?

Why are Serbs causing problems in all the foreign countries they live in? Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova?
(Pavaresi, 21 October 2008 17:26)

Which Serbs are you talking about here? Serbs from Serbia have nothing to do with this. This is all happening in Montenegro meaning Montenegrins (Serbs from Montenegro). You do know that Montenegrins are Serbs don't you?

Besides, why are you so worried?

Montanegro is NOT Serbia, but that doesn't mean the Montanegrin people support an independent Kosovo!

This is possibly due to their kinship to the Serbs. Possibly due to the fact that they fear the integrity of their own country, and don't want to see the Albanian and/or Muslim portions decalre independence.

It isn't just Serbs and Russians that are against Kosovo's independence. But I will say that, so far, it's only the Montanegrins who have the courage to stand-up against their government's decision. If this proves sucessful, I hope it inspires others.

These people have my respect!

On 21 October 2008 20:06, Nemanja Connecticut wrote:

"Why are the governments of Croatia, Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia causing further instability (...)?"

What instability? Where? And who will suffer because of this?
--

Pavaresi, last time I looked the jury was still out on whether Kosovo was a "foreign country". That's the whole point! Me thinks thou doth protest too much!

"Why are Serbs causing problems in all the foreign countries they live in? Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova?
(Pavaresi, 21 October 2008 17:26)"

You answer your own question here...because they are not in a foreign country, they are in the one they have always lived in.

Adriano, I am really getting curious as to your explanation. For the sake of the debate, could you please answer?

What instability? Where? And who will suffer because of this?
(Jan Andersen, DK, 22 October 2008 00:51)

Jan,

Kosovo isn't famous for ethnic tolerance but last year there were placates dedicated to spread the tolerance. These did disappear recently. An interesting observation: drive from Pristina to Pec. You will see dozens of monuments dedicated to fallen. All monuments feature pictures of young men, often in camouflage uniform and proudly holding a weapon. The number of monuments is amazingly high. That underscores the very high number of victims Albanians did mention here. It looks like a very high blood drain.

What is interesting, barely any monument does feature the Kosovo flag. Instead, the Albanian flags are omnipresent.

An other observation. It was Sunday, so while driving I did see many wedding processions. The mandatory element of a wedding procession: the first car is driven flying a huge Albanian (not Kosovo!) flag.

These observations mean: the nationalism is very strong and Albanian population supporting it does not associate itself with Kosovo - they are associating themself with Albania.

This is the answer to your question.

I wish the opposition in Montenegro the best of luck in their quest for a 'proper' referendum on Mr. Dukanovic's 'brown envelope' inspired decision to recognise the independence of illegally occupied Kosovo i Metohija.
I was in Podgerica on a Sunday in May 2006 when I witnessed a very strange referendum indeed.
I saw 'DA' posters all over the place but not one 'NE' poster.
Elderly citizens had to hand over their ID cards to police before that famous weekend and did not get them back until after the referendum so they were prevented from voting.
I believe an airline was handsomely paid to cancel over 30 flights in the days leading up to the voting day.
Only cars waving 'DA' flags pased through the new tunnel for free that day.
Young people spoke to me of their excitement at the prospect of loads of money coming in from the EU.
Election 'monitors' from the OSCE and European Parliament praised the 'fairness' of the referendum campaign.
CNN had it as their main headline that evening - God bless them.

Micheal Breathnach
in Ireland

Why are Serbs causing problems in all the foreign countries they live in? Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosova?
(Pavaresi, 21 October 2008 17:26)
serbs in those countries are citizens of those countries. accordingly they don't live in "foreign" countries. but i see this as a freudian slip. people in the balkans are a million miles away from understanding the concept of "multiethnicity" if they consider their own minorities "foreign".

Maybe because this is the Balkans but I hope Kosovo independence doesn't cause civil war in Montenegro and everyone can express themselves through voting in elections or referendums.

I agree totally with petar. It is very sad to see the same people brainwashed by propoganda. this new found nationalism just shows how niave serbs (montenegrins too) have always been. Serbs drank the cool aid wheb yugoslavia was formed, and are being very gullible when it comes to this sutuation.

Well, wouldn't it be ironic if either a referendum or early elections would cause a reversal in Montenegro's recognition of Kosovo. Possibly, you could say that the Montenegrans would be using their democratic rights by not letting their "allegedly" corrupt politicians railroad this recognition through- just as so many other countries have done. Perhaps if the citizens of Montenegro are persistant enough to withdraw their country's recognition, then perhaps other countries who have had their leaders (and not the people) recognize Kosovo will also find ways to withdraw their recognitions. Oh my, is Kosovo's UDI just a "house of cards", waiting to collapse??? All it takes is one country to revoke recognition, and others will surely follow.

Kosovo is being used again, in Montenegro, pretty much like Kostunica did in Serbia, to get some political advantage. Why are the opposition parties of Montenegro in opposition? It is because the people of Montenegro didn't vote them. The people of Montenegro didn't think they were good enough for their future. Now all of a sudden they are screaming "Kosovo".
bganon, I always like your posts, but you shouldn't wish for the people of Montenegro the sort of leaders that you knew weren't good for the people of Serbia. I don't really think you wish that, but what the opposition parties are asking in Montenegro goes in that direction.
To use your analogy, it always depends on the wound, how big it is, and how easy it is to heal. The serbian wound is much "bigger" than the Montenegrin wound(actually I think that it has infected the Montenegrin one, if not opened it).
What would be the results of a referendum about Kosovo in Serbia? And also who called for it in Serbia? I think we all know. But Kosovo is not the only issue of Serbia. The same is true for Montenegro.

"These observations mean: the nationalism is very strong and Albanian population supporting it does not associate itself with Kosovo - they are associating themself with Albania.

This is the answer to your question.
(Ataman, 22 October 2008 03:40)"

Ataman, your interpretation is not correct. That flag is common to all Albanians, Kosovo or Albania, or Macedonia or Montenegro. It doesn't mean Kosovo Albanians identify/associate with Albania, it doesn't mean Macedonian Albanians or Montenegrin Albanians identify with Albania. It is a sign of ethnic identity, not borders or states. It has been around much longer than the new flag. You should have asked to the Albanians in Kosovo what they think of Albania when you went there, you would have received contradicting answers.
Also, just for the sake of (sort of) "teaching you logic" very humbly: the monuments that you saw with the Albanian flag were built much earlier than the appearance of the new flag in 2008.

My father is a Montenegrin from Cetinje and my mother a Serb from Vojvodina via Krajina. Now growing up, I can not recall a difference between there ethnicity. Now all of a sudden being Montenegrin means you are not Serb?! My father is even caught up in this, even though he speaks Serbian, and baptized myself and my sisters in the Serbian orthodox church. Now I married my wife from Latin America in a Serbian orthodox church here in Melbourne Australia and he was happy with this. I also cannot find it written in history were Vladika Danilo, Njegos, Krajl Nikola or any other prominent “Montenegrin” refer to themselves as anything but true patriotic Serbs. The only one is Milo “I got rich” Djukanovic. My point being, argue all you like, but Orthodox slavs (For lack of a better word) from Montenegro feel betrayed by the governments decision to recognize Kosovo as independent. Montenegro and Serbia are not cousins or brothers, they are the same people and to pretend otherwise is just re writing history. For you westerners, read a bit of history about this region. For you self hating Serbs that live in Montenegro, wake up or deny that Njegos was a true Serb from Montenegro as you all are, and as am I.
(Petar Djurkovic, 22 October 2008 11:49)

Petar, Amen to all what you said! Couldn't be more true!

I have always enjoyed Crna Goras beautiful coast, and the smoked ham in Njegosi but Tzar Milo always get me to have a bad taste in my mouth, the last true friend of Milosevic in the balkans is now considered a " good politician", for gods sake, he supported Milosevic more than anyone in the 90:s

He is a shame for MN, BTW, I like your name on him "get rich" I will use it from now on :-)

I'll leave the ethnic discussions about Serbs vs. Montenegrins, Albanians vs, Serbs, majority vs. minority behind, for enough is to say I'm pro-Serb.

Referendums and elections are both part of democratic life, yes. Follow up: Do you remember June 06's referendum result for CG's independence? Almost a 50/50!!!
No one could deny then that montenegrins were divided; if this referendum ever takes place, no one will be able to deny they are still divided, not only over Kosovo, but it's a great example.
And that's why the gov't won't give in to this democratic excercise.