Jeremić: GA victory govt.'s biggest triumph so far

I wonder what will be reaction of Jeremic in case ICJ states that Declaration of independence of Kosovo have legal sustention! I suppose Jeremic will proclaim it as his victory too, saying that he knew this in advance...

I quite feel sorry for this man. He has won a lost cause!

'as there are “NO” other problems for their government to be solved as is unemployment, low salaries, poverty, corruption, EU integration, infrastructure, etc etc etc'

Yes predictor I wonder how much longer Kosovo Albanian politicians will be able to use independence to cover up the fact that the situation has not improved since the internationals took over.

Still, forget about all that, flag waving and the illusion of independence can solve all our problems right?

Good, and I hope people in Serbia are satisfied as there are “NO” other problems for their government to be solved as is unemployment, low salaries, poverty, corruption, EU integration, infrastructure, etc etc etc….

"Jeremić: GA victory govt.'s biggest triumph so far"

Ops, Mr Jeremic still meddling with Serbian foreign affairs.

It is sad news for Serbia. This guy should go in pension, or choose another profession. I cant believe Serbs still believe what this guy says. I thought serbs were smarter than him.

However, I agree that this is not Jeremic's complete fault. Other leaders brought Serbia to this labirinth, in which Serbia will not able to get out for another few decades

Every government and minister has the right to analyze its 100 days or years. The problem with Jeremic is not his "success" story, but the way his is selling to the public. The biggest mistake was of Tadic to engage Jeremic further as FM, knowing his failures before and during the negotiations with Kosovars and Ahtisari team. Do not forget that Jeremic was the same FM for Kostunica and Samardzic- the fierce opponents of Tadic. I am sure Vuk could sell himself to any other party, just to be THE FM Serbia ever had. I remember an interview of Jeremic and Samardzic one year ago claiming they were very successful to block the Kosovo delegation to be heard at UN Assembly. Vuk´s success are in line with Russian successes in the diplomacy. Block, Veto, Blackmail, Military illusions. Vuk is as nationalistic as Slobo & Co. Only he is hiding behind the diplomacy. The question is for how long. He damaged more Serbia internationally than he think

It is sad to see that virtually any positive news is met with such denial and criticism here. My sympathies go to the current leaders of Serbia. They are in a impossible and thankless jobs.

Yes Jeremić, what a great achievement. Even if you hadn't lobbied it still would have passed. This is no great achievement but just a toothless decoy while still following the same US/EU agenda.

It was indeed a much-needed victory. It is not a victory which would decide a battle but it will bring more respect than some previous years without any single political victory.

@predictor: the problems you mention I see all across Central/East Europe, including all new-EU countries. As for corruption - try to cross in the train the Hungarian-Ukrainian border "armed" with all the best passports you can imagine, but having some industrial equipment with you for work. Without "baksheesh" to Ukrainians no chance. You can sing your "I am American" or "I am your Slavic Brother" song, they will sing "baksheesh, shaheeb" and they have guns, not you.

@Dane: ICJ is in 2 long years. That is the most important. In my opinion Serbs have good chances to win, but these are just chances. They can increase the said chances by improving precisely the areas what "predictor" did mention. They are in much better position than earlier.

Bazza economic progress has been small scale. Parts of Pristina looking like a building site does not mean that everything is hunky dory. The most basic things such as a supply of electricity and in some places running water, is a huge problem. Just because you personally might experience it less does not mean that things have improved for the average Kosovo Serb or Albanian. I'm willing to bet that an ordinary (non city) Albanian has

Progress in other areas? In democracy??? My apologies but I have more time for the likes of Albin Kurti on this. Kosovo Albanians (and Serbs of course) are disenfranchised and a hatchet job is done on anybody opposing the concensus. Oh boy are they scared of Kurti, both internationals and the corrupt Kosovo politicians. Yes Kurti is also a nationalist, but at least he represents an alternative view. Progress in human rights? We can ask the Roma or Kosovo Serbs about this, and what might the reply be?

So where is the progress? Other than the independence issue, where are the results?

As I've said before I accept that Serbia has made Kosovo's development slower by with its lack of recognition and how that impacts on credit risk and international financial organisations.

As for becoming a nationalist, you should tell that to other Serbs who come here, it might give them a good laugh. You see I haven't even mentioned specifically the plight of Kosovo Serbs. But hey I suppose these days anybody that doesn't think Kosovo independence is great, or anybody who thinks that countries are forced into recongition and pissed off with that, must be nationalists!

Kosovo's lack of progress has hurt all people living there. If only more people put down the flag and started talking about real issues, we might get somewhere.

And do you know how Kosovo is run, truly? Do you know about the corruption within the international administration, which admittedly isn't as bad as it was, and their crooked relationships with local politicians?

It is sad to see that virtually any positive news is met with such denial and criticism here. My sympathies go to the current leaders of Serbia. They are in a impossible and thankless jobs.
(Patrik, 21 October 2008 14:51)

The reality is, in the entire Central/East Europe precisely the current Serbian leaders are the ones with least dirt/blood/corruption money stuck to their hands. Just get for few days a little smell what else does exist... Let them really work in the peace for extended period of time and judge afterwards.

bganon

I have often read your comments and found that although I didn't agree, I respected and understood your argument, but I have noticed since the recognition of Montenegro you have turned into a bit of a rabid nationalist.

This last post of your is just silly. I have been in Kosovo for the last year and I can assure you that things are progressing. Sure, we would like things to move at a quicker rate, but after all, this is the Balkans.

I find it hard to believe that you really think there has been no progress from 2000, return form the dark side back to rational argument, before it's to late : )

One should know that every nation has the right to ask the ICJ on legal matters. There comes the majority in voting pro Serbia or abstaining from the vote. Don't forgett that there has only been a presentation of an application. This is a formal act with no substantial impact. If this is the bigest triumph, than this is quite spare. Nevertheless there can be a political impact, because of Serbia's action. This has to turn out in future. Asking the ICJ doesn't necessarly mean it was a good step, it can turn out to be an own goal.

This is from the ICJ charter
"The primary purpose of the ICJ is to render opinions on international legal disputes between States".
I do not see where is the victory here!!!! Talking about shooting yourself in the foot

I wonder what will be reaction of Jeremic in case ICJ states that Declaration of independence of Kosovo have legal sustention! I suppose Jeremic will proclaim it as his victory too, saying that he knew this in advance...

Good, and I hope people in Serbia are satisfied as there are “NO” other problems for their government to be solved as is unemployment, low salaries, poverty, corruption, EU integration, infrastructure, etc etc etc….

I quite feel sorry for this man. He has won a lost cause!

"Jeremić: GA victory govt.'s biggest triumph so far"

Ops, Mr Jeremic still meddling with Serbian foreign affairs.

It is sad news for Serbia. This guy should go in pension, or choose another profession. I cant believe Serbs still believe what this guy says. I thought serbs were smarter than him.

However, I agree that this is not Jeremic's complete fault. Other leaders brought Serbia to this labirinth, in which Serbia will not able to get out for another few decades

bganon

I have often read your comments and found that although I didn't agree, I respected and understood your argument, but I have noticed since the recognition of Montenegro you have turned into a bit of a rabid nationalist.

This last post of your is just silly. I have been in Kosovo for the last year and I can assure you that things are progressing. Sure, we would like things to move at a quicker rate, but after all, this is the Balkans.

I find it hard to believe that you really think there has been no progress from 2000, return form the dark side back to rational argument, before it's to late : )

It is sad to see that virtually any positive news is met with such denial and criticism here. My sympathies go to the current leaders of Serbia. They are in a impossible and thankless jobs.
(Patrik, 21 October 2008 14:51)

The reality is, in the entire Central/East Europe precisely the current Serbian leaders are the ones with least dirt/blood/corruption money stuck to their hands. Just get for few days a little smell what else does exist... Let them really work in the peace for extended period of time and judge afterwards.

Bazza economic progress has been small scale. Parts of Pristina looking like a building site does not mean that everything is hunky dory. The most basic things such as a supply of electricity and in some places running water, is a huge problem. Just because you personally might experience it less does not mean that things have improved for the average Kosovo Serb or Albanian. I'm willing to bet that an ordinary (non city) Albanian has

Progress in other areas? In democracy??? My apologies but I have more time for the likes of Albin Kurti on this. Kosovo Albanians (and Serbs of course) are disenfranchised and a hatchet job is done on anybody opposing the concensus. Oh boy are they scared of Kurti, both internationals and the corrupt Kosovo politicians. Yes Kurti is also a nationalist, but at least he represents an alternative view. Progress in human rights? We can ask the Roma or Kosovo Serbs about this, and what might the reply be?

So where is the progress? Other than the independence issue, where are the results?

As I've said before I accept that Serbia has made Kosovo's development slower by with its lack of recognition and how that impacts on credit risk and international financial organisations.

As for becoming a nationalist, you should tell that to other Serbs who come here, it might give them a good laugh. You see I haven't even mentioned specifically the plight of Kosovo Serbs. But hey I suppose these days anybody that doesn't think Kosovo independence is great, or anybody who thinks that countries are forced into recongition and pissed off with that, must be nationalists!

Kosovo's lack of progress has hurt all people living there. If only more people put down the flag and started talking about real issues, we might get somewhere.

And do you know how Kosovo is run, truly? Do you know about the corruption within the international administration, which admittedly isn't as bad as it was, and their crooked relationships with local politicians?

'as there are “NO” other problems for their government to be solved as is unemployment, low salaries, poverty, corruption, EU integration, infrastructure, etc etc etc'

Yes predictor I wonder how much longer Kosovo Albanian politicians will be able to use independence to cover up the fact that the situation has not improved since the internationals took over.

Still, forget about all that, flag waving and the illusion of independence can solve all our problems right?

One should know that every nation has the right to ask the ICJ on legal matters. There comes the majority in voting pro Serbia or abstaining from the vote. Don't forgett that there has only been a presentation of an application. This is a formal act with no substantial impact. If this is the bigest triumph, than this is quite spare. Nevertheless there can be a political impact, because of Serbia's action. This has to turn out in future. Asking the ICJ doesn't necessarly mean it was a good step, it can turn out to be an own goal.

Yes Jeremić, what a great achievement. Even if you hadn't lobbied it still would have passed. This is no great achievement but just a toothless decoy while still following the same US/EU agenda.

Every government and minister has the right to analyze its 100 days or years. The problem with Jeremic is not his "success" story, but the way his is selling to the public. The biggest mistake was of Tadic to engage Jeremic further as FM, knowing his failures before and during the negotiations with Kosovars and Ahtisari team. Do not forget that Jeremic was the same FM for Kostunica and Samardzic- the fierce opponents of Tadic. I am sure Vuk could sell himself to any other party, just to be THE FM Serbia ever had. I remember an interview of Jeremic and Samardzic one year ago claiming they were very successful to block the Kosovo delegation to be heard at UN Assembly. Vuk´s success are in line with Russian successes in the diplomacy. Block, Veto, Blackmail, Military illusions. Vuk is as nationalistic as Slobo & Co. Only he is hiding behind the diplomacy. The question is for how long. He damaged more Serbia internationally than he think

It was indeed a much-needed victory. It is not a victory which would decide a battle but it will bring more respect than some previous years without any single political victory.

@predictor: the problems you mention I see all across Central/East Europe, including all new-EU countries. As for corruption - try to cross in the train the Hungarian-Ukrainian border "armed" with all the best passports you can imagine, but having some industrial equipment with you for work. Without "baksheesh" to Ukrainians no chance. You can sing your "I am American" or "I am your Slavic Brother" song, they will sing "baksheesh, shaheeb" and they have guns, not you.

@Dane: ICJ is in 2 long years. That is the most important. In my opinion Serbs have good chances to win, but these are just chances. They can increase the said chances by improving precisely the areas what "predictor" did mention. They are in much better position than earlier.

It is sad to see that virtually any positive news is met with such denial and criticism here. My sympathies go to the current leaders of Serbia. They are in a impossible and thankless jobs.

This is from the ICJ charter
"The primary purpose of the ICJ is to render opinions on international legal disputes between States".
I do not see where is the victory here!!!! Talking about shooting yourself in the foot