"Kosovo far from white Schengen list"

"Your names not down, you're not coming in"

No surprise really. On the one hand he majority of EU countries are happy to recognise Kosovo for strategic reasons, but when it comes to allowing Albanians into Europe it's a "no-go" situation.

This will hit the Albanians as they will be showing their new Kosovo passports, whereas Serbs (including those in Kosovo) will be able to use Serbia's new biometric passports.

Quite happy to put bases in Kosovo, potentially to tap into Kosovo's mineral wealth, but not a cat in hells chance for Albanians to move freely into Europe.

It'll get even worse in a year or two's time when Serbia wins it's ruling at the ICJ. Kosovo will then become one of the world's largest open prisons.

What's this the Kosovo Albanians will not be put on the list? While it seems likely the Serbian citizens will in 2009?

By the way that means that the Serbs in Northern Kosovo will also be on the list since they are Serbian citizens and bare Serbian passports.

I said before and will say it again, the Kosovo Albanians are more or less encapsulated in their own world called Kosovo which means they will remain there with little prospect of travel anywhere in the world other than Albania proper and its just a matter of time before masses of Albanians from dozens of countries abroad including the UK who do not hold proper documentation will be deported back to Kosovo since they will no longer be able to use the Kosovo refuge card as a means to say in their new host counties.

Who honestly believes this Shem character?

Kosovo is ranked as one of the most corrupt place on earth by Transparency international. Hence, I doubt it would be so easy for him to travel to so many place so quickly, especially since Schengen Visa's are not issued in Kosovo, and when less corrupt and other countries closer to EU membership in the region (Macedonia, Serbia, Montenegro and Bosnia) have a hard time obtaining visa and spend weeks meeting staff at embassies and providing documents to live the Indian reserve known as the "Western Balkans."

Benny "On the other hand, it could ease tensions in the north if some of the Serbs left not to come back." I don't think that is the West's intentions, definitely the Albanians intentions, masters of ethnic cleansing that they are. It shows Europe's true attitude to the different nationalities, happy to take Serbs but not Albanians.

kosovari86 - Visas are like gold dust for Albanians. Technically you need visa's, in reality very few of you will get one. Serbia on the other hand and it's citizens......

Miri - How did I indicate that i'm "giving up" on Kosovo? Is this another fantasy like Albanian independence?

shem - You obviously didn't travel into Europe via legal means.

Pamvarsi - To obtain a Serbian passport you need to acknowledge and declare that Kosovo is a part of Serbia and swear allegiance to Serbia.

So if 500,000 to 700,000 young people take Serbian passports it'll make a mockery of Kosovo Albanians claim that the majority want independence when hundreds of thousands of Albanians sign declarations to the contrary.

Be my guest, take a Serbian passport. It's only a matter of time before Kosovo returns to Serbia again. In the meantime, as citizens of Serbia, you have every right to travel into the EU with a Serbian passport. Welcome back into the fold.

"register it's own citizens" is a nasty lie. How about Venezuela? Paraguay is pretty corrupt - Kosovo is nothing compared with most of S. America. But they are on the white list.

The proper answer: Germans don't want more "suspicious" foreigners, even as tourists. Kosovo is to close, to many frustrated young people who don't mind to stay in, say, Germany for a while. The rest is just an excuse.

Shem said:

With a Kosovo passeport and having the Kosovo citizenship only, I was in Milano, Brussels, Dusseldorf, Cologne, Paris, Vienna, London, Belfast and Dublin, Tirana and Skopje during this summer ONLY!

Perhaps you were Shem, but in your dreams! I on the other hand went to the Moon this summer, quite a view of the earth from there!

Radoslav and Canadian,

With a Kosovo passeport and having the Kosovo citizenship only, I was in Milano, Brussels, Dusseldorf, Cologne, Paris, Vienna, London, Belfast and Dublin, Tirana and Skopje during this summer ONLY!

With the same one I'll be in LA and Washington next year!

So, we'll keep going further!
Thanks for worrying anyway.

Should we join Serbia (again) in order to get schengen visa?
No thanks; I was not planning to travel anywhere anyway.
I am happy being in Republic of Kosova.

To #1 and #2.
I see that you are giving up Kosova, after all, for Schengen visas. "Smart move!" That's the best you can get anyway.
Or have you come to the terms with reality and there is nothing left to do but cursing the people of this new country?

I laugh reading the previous comments making of Kosova and pointing how much better they would be if they were still under Serbia's slavery.

Kosova has the youngest population in Europe so they expect 500,000-700,000 people to leave, that's why no visas for now. It's a very small price to pay. Serbs haven't been able to go anywhere but RS in decades.

If Serbia gets on the list, many Albanians from "Serbia's Southern province" will get Serbian passports. Kosovo je Srbja, right? Issue passports then

Radoslav, why does Kosovo look like a prison to you?
We can go anywhere in Europe, but we need a visa just like you do and all your Serbian mates! Does that make Serbia a prison too?

Kosova people do not need to go to Europe. Albania and US of A good enough for us. Go home EU!

This brings up an interesting point. If Serbia insists that Kosovo is Serbia then they would need to include the names of all the citizens of Kosovo as part of their list.
If they fail to include them then they are publicly declaring that the citizens of Kosovo are not citizens of Serbia.
Could prove of value at ICJ.

"To #1 and #2.
I see that you are giving up Kosova, after all, for Schengen visas. "Smart move!" That's the best you can get anyway.
Or have you come to the terms with reality and there is nothing left to do but cursing the people of this new country?
(miri, 17 October 2008 15:23) "

A new country that cannot enter the UN. That also cannot control its northern part. If you are happy with that, then okay.

Half a million of Albanians (a quarter of the population) of Kosovo are already citizens/residents of EU countries and Switzerland, and most of the people who wanted to go abroad are already in the countries they wished to live in. These Kosovars provide both the garanties/visas and funds for the rest of the population to visit Europe, and this has been going on for more than a dacade. Let's see if the Serbs can afford their holidays if they ever get this free visa regime.

Let's see if the Serbs can afford their holidays if they ever get this free visa regime.
(Agron, 18 October 2008 13:07)
you do realise that the number of serbs who live abroad runs in millions and that they, just like albanians, help their friends and relatives from serbia to travel abroad?

"If Serbia gets on the list, many Albanians from "Serbia's Southern province" will get Serbian passports. Kosovo je Srbja, right? Issue passports then
(Pamvarsi, 17 October 2008 15:04) "

Really? So now you recognize Serbia, only when it suits you.

It is the current Serbian government who is stupid to give passports to albans who don't recognize KiM as Serbia.

As we speak there are thousand of albans going to Nis applying for Serbian passports.

We want Serbia as a EU member, and we want Kosova as a EU protectorate. That is what the Ahtisaari plan prepares, with "limited independence", and that is the reason for why Serbia will be on the white list a couple of decades before Kosova.

And go ahead, get Serbian passports. The ultimate mockery of your own statelet!

They know that with the economy the way it is in Kosovo, most young men and women wouldn't return right away, and that labor force is needed for the development of Kosovo.

On the other hand, it could ease tensions in the north if some of the Serbs left not to come back. Not that this is what one may say in public, but who knows what the total strategy of the powers that be are. But I have a feeling that it won't be that easy for anyone, list or no list, for the time being at least.

With the same one I'll be in LA and Washington next year!

And you will be under constant watch, that's what your brothers-in-arms did for you when they conspired to attack the Fort Dix military base (you won't see them, but they'll see you).

I understand that kosovo will not be in the free Schengen list for some time, but this German politician has absolutely no clue about the reasons and I honestly do not know why is B92 quoting a third-rang politician from some province in germany.

Kosovo has namely one of the most modern civil registries in the world. Yes, IN THE WORLD. Any Kosovar who registered after the war (all did) will tell you that digital photos and digital fingerprints were taken from each of them. The Kosovo registry is completely digital and already includes all bimoetrical data, while passports include fingerprints but no chips.

So to tell that kosovo does not have a register of its citizens is complete ignorance. It has, and it is one of the most modern systems in the world (set up from nothing in 1999-2000).

The reasons are other, such as unemployment and a large number of young people. And we are talking about a delay of 2-4 yers here, not a permanent decision. In the other hand, holders of Kosovar passports will continue to move without any problems once they obtain a visa. In practice, every Kosovar who is employed will get a Schengen visa (look at thousands and thousands of Kosovars in shopping tours in thesaloniki, greece, every weekend).

We dont ned to be on the wite list, Kosova wil be the 51 us state in a few years and then we can use our american pasports!

"We dont ned to be on the wite list, Kosova wil be the 51 us state in a few years and then we can use our american pasports!
(Behar Avdijaj, 19 October 2008 00:25) "

The sad thing about that statement is that you are not even being sarcastic...

Carl

Radoslav,
You prob know that youngerts in Serbia are the most isolated in the region!
in 2003 according to your RTS 90% of -25 of age have never been to the EU. Dont forget that almost every Albanian family has one or more members livin in the EU or USA, due to , of course, humiliating economical circumstances granted for us from your previous Govs.!
I live in Slovakia btw, with a Kosovar passport, and im leaving to Barcelona for New Years! Bye

Honestly, I was!

I see lack of honesty at some of you discussing in here! Prejudice!!!

It's a pitty that not many Western Balkan's youngsters had my opportunities.

I was just telling you honestly that it is possible to travel as a Kosovar, legally and successfully!
You Yaroslav or Radoslav can do it as well as Serbian - if you study, work and commit yourself to honesty, human rights and development!

One more prove that getting gid of Kosovo is in Serbia's best interest. What more has to happen so that the majority of the Serbs understand that claiming Kosovo brings to Serbia nothing but trouble! After all that happened in the last twenty years isn't it time the Serbs to say: Enough is enough!

Should we join Serbia (again) in order to get schengen visa?
No thanks; I was not planning to travel anywhere anyway.
I am happy being in Republic of Kosova.

I laugh reading the previous comments making of Kosova and pointing how much better they would be if they were still under Serbia's slavery.

Kosova has the youngest population in Europe so they expect 500,000-700,000 people to leave, that's why no visas for now. It's a very small price to pay. Serbs haven't been able to go anywhere but RS in decades.

If Serbia gets on the list, many Albanians from "Serbia's Southern province" will get Serbian passports. Kosovo je Srbja, right? Issue passports then

Radoslav, why does Kosovo look like a prison to you?
We can go anywhere in Europe, but we need a visa just like you do and all your Serbian mates! Does that make Serbia a prison too?

To #1 and #2.
I see that you are giving up Kosova, after all, for Schengen visas. "Smart move!" That's the best you can get anyway.
Or have you come to the terms with reality and there is nothing left to do but cursing the people of this new country?

Radoslav and Canadian,

With a Kosovo passeport and having the Kosovo citizenship only, I was in Milano, Brussels, Dusseldorf, Cologne, Paris, Vienna, London, Belfast and Dublin, Tirana and Skopje during this summer ONLY!

With the same one I'll be in LA and Washington next year!

So, we'll keep going further!
Thanks for worrying anyway.

Kosova people do not need to go to Europe. Albania and US of A good enough for us. Go home EU!

"Your names not down, you're not coming in"

No surprise really. On the one hand he majority of EU countries are happy to recognise Kosovo for strategic reasons, but when it comes to allowing Albanians into Europe it's a "no-go" situation.

This will hit the Albanians as they will be showing their new Kosovo passports, whereas Serbs (including those in Kosovo) will be able to use Serbia's new biometric passports.

Quite happy to put bases in Kosovo, potentially to tap into Kosovo's mineral wealth, but not a cat in hells chance for Albanians to move freely into Europe.

It'll get even worse in a year or two's time when Serbia wins it's ruling at the ICJ. Kosovo will then become one of the world's largest open prisons.

What's this the Kosovo Albanians will not be put on the list? While it seems likely the Serbian citizens will in 2009?

By the way that means that the Serbs in Northern Kosovo will also be on the list since they are Serbian citizens and bare Serbian passports.

I said before and will say it again, the Kosovo Albanians are more or less encapsulated in their own world called Kosovo which means they will remain there with little prospect of travel anywhere in the world other than Albania proper and its just a matter of time before masses of Albanians from dozens of countries abroad including the UK who do not hold proper documentation will be deported back to Kosovo since they will no longer be able to use the Kosovo refuge card as a means to say in their new host counties.

"register it's own citizens" is a nasty lie. How about Venezuela? Paraguay is pretty corrupt - Kosovo is nothing compared with most of S. America. But they are on the white list.

The proper answer: Germans don't want more "suspicious" foreigners, even as tourists. Kosovo is to close, to many frustrated young people who don't mind to stay in, say, Germany for a while. The rest is just an excuse.

Pamvarsi - To obtain a Serbian passport you need to acknowledge and declare that Kosovo is a part of Serbia and swear allegiance to Serbia.

So if 500,000 to 700,000 young people take Serbian passports it'll make a mockery of Kosovo Albanians claim that the majority want independence when hundreds of thousands of Albanians sign declarations to the contrary.

Be my guest, take a Serbian passport. It's only a matter of time before Kosovo returns to Serbia again. In the meantime, as citizens of Serbia, you have every right to travel into the EU with a Serbian passport. Welcome back into the fold.

Benny "On the other hand, it could ease tensions in the north if some of the Serbs left not to come back." I don't think that is the West's intentions, definitely the Albanians intentions, masters of ethnic cleansing that they are. It shows Europe's true attitude to the different nationalities, happy to take Serbs but not Albanians.

kosovari86 - Visas are like gold dust for Albanians. Technically you need visa's, in reality very few of you will get one. Serbia on the other hand and it's citizens......

Miri - How did I indicate that i'm "giving up" on Kosovo? Is this another fantasy like Albanian independence?

shem - You obviously didn't travel into Europe via legal means.

Shem said:

With a Kosovo passeport and having the Kosovo citizenship only, I was in Milano, Brussels, Dusseldorf, Cologne, Paris, Vienna, London, Belfast and Dublin, Tirana and Skopje during this summer ONLY!

Perhaps you were Shem, but in your dreams! I on the other hand went to the Moon this summer, quite a view of the earth from there!

Who honestly believes this Shem character?

Kosovo is ranked as one of the most corrupt place on earth by Transparency international. Hence, I doubt it would be so easy for him to travel to so many place so quickly, especially since Schengen Visa's are not issued in Kosovo, and when less corrupt and other countries closer to EU membership in the region (Macedonia, Serbia, Montenegro and Bosnia) have a hard time obtaining visa and spend weeks meeting staff at embassies and providing documents to live the Indian reserve known as the "Western Balkans."

This brings up an interesting point. If Serbia insists that Kosovo is Serbia then they would need to include the names of all the citizens of Kosovo as part of their list.
If they fail to include them then they are publicly declaring that the citizens of Kosovo are not citizens of Serbia.
Could prove of value at ICJ.

We dont ned to be on the wite list, Kosova wil be the 51 us state in a few years and then we can use our american pasports!

They know that with the economy the way it is in Kosovo, most young men and women wouldn't return right away, and that labor force is needed for the development of Kosovo.

On the other hand, it could ease tensions in the north if some of the Serbs left not to come back. Not that this is what one may say in public, but who knows what the total strategy of the powers that be are. But I have a feeling that it won't be that easy for anyone, list or no list, for the time being at least.

With the same one I'll be in LA and Washington next year!

And you will be under constant watch, that's what your brothers-in-arms did for you when they conspired to attack the Fort Dix military base (you won't see them, but they'll see you).

"If Serbia gets on the list, many Albanians from "Serbia's Southern province" will get Serbian passports. Kosovo je Srbja, right? Issue passports then
(Pamvarsi, 17 October 2008 15:04) "

Really? So now you recognize Serbia, only when it suits you.

It is the current Serbian government who is stupid to give passports to albans who don't recognize KiM as Serbia.

As we speak there are thousand of albans going to Nis applying for Serbian passports.

"To #1 and #2.
I see that you are giving up Kosova, after all, for Schengen visas. "Smart move!" That's the best you can get anyway.
Or have you come to the terms with reality and there is nothing left to do but cursing the people of this new country?
(miri, 17 October 2008 15:23) "

A new country that cannot enter the UN. That also cannot control its northern part. If you are happy with that, then okay.

Half a million of Albanians (a quarter of the population) of Kosovo are already citizens/residents of EU countries and Switzerland, and most of the people who wanted to go abroad are already in the countries they wished to live in. These Kosovars provide both the garanties/visas and funds for the rest of the population to visit Europe, and this has been going on for more than a dacade. Let's see if the Serbs can afford their holidays if they ever get this free visa regime.

We want Serbia as a EU member, and we want Kosova as a EU protectorate. That is what the Ahtisaari plan prepares, with "limited independence", and that is the reason for why Serbia will be on the white list a couple of decades before Kosova.

And go ahead, get Serbian passports. The ultimate mockery of your own statelet!

"We dont ned to be on the wite list, Kosova wil be the 51 us state in a few years and then we can use our american pasports!
(Behar Avdijaj, 19 October 2008 00:25) "

The sad thing about that statement is that you are not even being sarcastic...

Carl

Honestly, I was!

I see lack of honesty at some of you discussing in here! Prejudice!!!

It's a pitty that not many Western Balkan's youngsters had my opportunities.

I was just telling you honestly that it is possible to travel as a Kosovar, legally and successfully!
You Yaroslav or Radoslav can do it as well as Serbian - if you study, work and commit yourself to honesty, human rights and development!

One more prove that getting gid of Kosovo is in Serbia's best interest. What more has to happen so that the majority of the Serbs understand that claiming Kosovo brings to Serbia nothing but trouble! After all that happened in the last twenty years isn't it time the Serbs to say: Enough is enough!

I understand that kosovo will not be in the free Schengen list for some time, but this German politician has absolutely no clue about the reasons and I honestly do not know why is B92 quoting a third-rang politician from some province in germany.

Kosovo has namely one of the most modern civil registries in the world. Yes, IN THE WORLD. Any Kosovar who registered after the war (all did) will tell you that digital photos and digital fingerprints were taken from each of them. The Kosovo registry is completely digital and already includes all bimoetrical data, while passports include fingerprints but no chips.

So to tell that kosovo does not have a register of its citizens is complete ignorance. It has, and it is one of the most modern systems in the world (set up from nothing in 1999-2000).

The reasons are other, such as unemployment and a large number of young people. And we are talking about a delay of 2-4 yers here, not a permanent decision. In the other hand, holders of Kosovar passports will continue to move without any problems once they obtain a visa. In practice, every Kosovar who is employed will get a Schengen visa (look at thousands and thousands of Kosovars in shopping tours in thesaloniki, greece, every weekend).

Let's see if the Serbs can afford their holidays if they ever get this free visa regime.
(Agron, 18 October 2008 13:07)
you do realise that the number of serbs who live abroad runs in millions and that they, just like albanians, help their friends and relatives from serbia to travel abroad?

Radoslav,
You prob know that youngerts in Serbia are the most isolated in the region!
in 2003 according to your RTS 90% of -25 of age have never been to the EU. Dont forget that almost every Albanian family has one or more members livin in the EU or USA, due to , of course, humiliating economical circumstances granted for us from your previous Govs.!
I live in Slovakia btw, with a Kosovar passport, and im leaving to Barcelona for New Years! Bye