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United Arab Emirates recognize Kosovo

United Arab Emirates have recognized Kosovo Albanians' declaration of independence, reports said on Tuesday.

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Enver Hoxha

pre 15 godina

Are u noticing that Kosovo is recognized by the most developed countries in the world, first we received a boom of recognitions by the head states of world economy and technology, (USA, France, Germany, Italy, UK, Japan etc) now the first arab country that recognized us is the most developed arab country UAE, lets go to Africa, we are recognized by the African countries that are living peace even that there are only a few of them, I'm not mentioning Australia and others

In the other hand, countries that rejected Kosovo recognition are mainly countries known for terror and poverty, Iran(terror), Syria(terror), China(abuse of human rights), India(poverty), Egypt(Islamic fanaticism), Russia(abuse of human rights), and countries that have internal problems

with this fact can a pathetic say UDI is illegal, can a pathetic say it needs ICJ opinion

I DON'T THINK SO!!!

Eltharion

pre 15 godina

@C,

Congratulations!
Finally some constructive comments and interesting analysis here.
It is important to recall what is ICJ room for manoeuver here. Neither Serbia nor Kosovo(a) should expect too much out of this case. ICJ advisory opinion is not likely to bring more light. I am afraid this is just creating too much expectations and will end up in more frustrations against international legal bodies since they will not come up with a clear cut answer in favour of one side.
Political statements on both sides claiming the Court will rule (actually deliver an opinion and not "rule") in their favour are therefore irresponsible.

Pavarsia

pre 15 godina

Though Serbia paid countries to vote for their initiative to win support in UN,it backfired, more recognitions are looming.Surely Serbia regrets taking that stupid step but too late.Ok Kosova will win this case on international court too. I don't see how Serbia could win this case.Is there any fact that supports Serbia, I don't think so.We all know that it was violence and oppression that kept Republic of KosovA indside Serbia's map.Whereas we have all the facts that support us,I don't see what do we miss, nothing.I don't even think KosovA's government needed to hire an international lawer.Even a school boy can win our case in Int. court.



THanks United Emirats.

frukyy

pre 15 godina

@Milan

Your wisdom and maturity in this debate is outstanding. Your exceptional analysis of “recognition junkies” and how Albanians are demoralizing Serbs in B92 is terrific. But I don’t now who made you the “wisest” Serb” to speak on the name of other Serbs.
First and foremost Jeremic is a very bright and successful man with a brilliant national and international career that at least I personally envy. However his attempts to stop Kosva recognition are, at least for the moment, counterproductive. In my earlier message I was suggesting that Jeremici’s knowledge and intelligence can be at better use. Let’s make a bet me and you that by the end of 2009 the number of countries recognizing Kosova will be at 100. The question whether we like it or not is irrelevant, and we can argue, cry and trade insults about each others fate all day long or we accept the actual situation and rebuild the secular friendship as two nations.

Milan

pre 15 godina

It looks like the Albanian visitors are, as usual, posting their little victory yells when they feel important again because of some useless recognition plus they must coordinate recommending each others postings. The worst is their attempts to demoralize Serbian visitors by claiming that soon many recognitions will follow and how silly Jeremic's attempts were and that the ICJ vote has speed up things and blah blah blah. Please remember that more countries support Serbia's initiative than recognizing Kosovo's UDI. I am sure your masters are pushing many other weak countries to recognize so give the impression that their little pet project is successful. Keep dreaming about 100. Most Serb visitors have become wiser not to respond anymore, but I could not resist to try to tell you once again how immature you are. In fact, you have probably become some kind of recognition junkies, searching the internet daily for new or possible recognitions to get a dose of "happiness" and then trying to rub that into our faces as if you have accomplished something great. Kosovo's reason for "success": location, location, location. Not your "culture", not your "suffering", not your desire for "freedom", not because you are such nice people. Wake up, because your corrupt KLA terrorist politicians will be the only ones who will benefit and once the West has stolen everything they need from "your" lands (raw materials and so on) and the oil pipeline is in place you will be forgotten very quickly. Location, location, location (it is sad, but it works).

Jack

pre 15 godina

To Bojan: "this recognition is not a surprise and a few USA puppets will follow."

Hi Bojan,
I often find the term USA puppet ambiguous, should I be analyzing it word by word or letter by letter. To my knowledge puppets have been small things right???, how do you really define it, cuz every time a state has recognized Kosovo it has been a USA puppet for you, no matter if it was an EU member, a respected Arab State, or even your neighbor who you've lived up together for years.

I am really curious to see who will remain non USA puppet on the next 2-3 years to come.

frukyy

pre 15 godina

I highly respect the work of Jeremic but in all honesty right now he appears as Don Quixote. After all his lobbying all around Asia and Africa this looks like a blow to his efforts. His talent and knowledge can be much more useful if he accepts the reality and try to help Serbs of Kosova to be integrated in Kosova government.
For all the posters that only few weeks back were so supportive and had so many compliments about countries of Islamic Conference now it seems they changed their hearts. As of my personal view I wouldn’t want Kosova to be associated in any way with those radical nations.

C

pre 15 godina

The point is that as more countries recognize Kosovo, the less argumentative weight the ICJ process holds. First, it says to relutant countries that recognitions are occuring despite the ongoing legal process. And, second, it says that the very regional countries that are Kosovo's neighbors are recognizing us. That's significant.

There's no doubt the ICJ process will slow down the recognition efforts, but let's look beyond the curve. First, some recognitions will happen nevertheless, and are largely independent of the ICJ process. Second, the ICJ's ruling is unlikely to come up with a single opinion. It will contain lots of shades of grey. It will likely not directly use words 'it was legal, or it was illegal,' but it will contain mixed analysis and thus have a balanced opinion.

Such balancing can be used by both sides. But, it will be of greater benefit to Kosovo, since a mixed ruling, which itself is non-binding, will degrade Serbia's legalistic stance. You might say I am an optimist, but stay tuned for what happans in not too distant a future.

Third, the ICJ process itself is an attempt by the Serbian political elite to park the issue for some time, proceeding with EU integration, and hoping that Kosovo might go back on the back burner for some time.

The crux of the issue itself, regardless of the quite smart narrow formulation of the question by Serbia to ICJ, is that the ICJ cannot merely rule on whether 'the declaration' was legal or not.

Though Serbia's legalistic arguments are going to be given some weight, they are unlikely to be considered as superior at all. Reasons?

First, despite Serbia's outright rejection, the court cannot discard the issue of self-determination. Its a key question. It will probably not go as far as to affirm it in Kosovo's case, but it will need to balance the claim to territorial integrity, with the right of people to self-determination.

Second, the UN resolution itself is not a clear cut matter, as legal experts know too well. There's the argument of the respect for the Yugoslav (not Serbian) soveregnity which is only contained in the preamble part, which, according to the UN charter (make sure you read it) says is not binding on member states.

Third, even though Serbia inherited 1244 after the breakup, 1244 talked of Yugoslav soveregnity being respected, not Serbia's. That's significant. Even though there's divering opinions on this, there's an argument to be made of the fact that Serbia cannot inherit something (its claim to respect for soveregnity) which it did not have.

Fourth, the moral argument. Regardless of the fact that Serbs in general have a major issue in recognizing what their government did in the 1990s, the 'objective' opinion out there is that widespread crimes were committed on the Kosovo Albanians. Mass deportations were seen by the Serbs as a result of NATO's bombing, but why didnt Serbs in Serbia or Montenegrians flee, as bombing occured throughout? So, the moral argument of having a state kill its people is slowly weaving together a body of international law which in some "special case" can force "the international community" to take away the right to soveregnity of a government which systematically kills its own citizens.

The moral right to independence was claimed by the US from Britain. Read the declaration of independence. The moral right of Britan to govern Ireland was forefeited by way of widespread abuse. Though morality enjoys little affinity with realpolitik, the point is that it is utterly impractical to leave a 2 million population under the legal roof of a state which less than a decade ago killed them en masses.

Fifth, the sovereign right of countries to recognize others bilaterally is an important pillar of international law. Kosovo's declaration cannot be seen separately from the recognitions that followed. They were the same thing.

Sixth, there's numerous places on Earth who declared their independence long before any "international law" clinged on UN resolutions. The right of a compact territory, with a clearly defined political society, to its right to have its own state is undeniable. THe arguments of Abkhazia and SOuth Ossetia...look at their populations. Abkhazia doesnt even have 100,000 people, S/Ossetia has slightly more. We're talking about 2 million people.

Finally, the fact that Kurds or other people have a right to independence doesnt diminsh Kosovo's independence claim. The claim that Kosovo's independence will spark separatist sentiments isnt an argument. It only tells us of the persisting colonial mindset of some countries, and that the world should deal with the Kurdish issue and other pressing ones. Resolving Kosovo's case means encouraging resolving other cases. You cannot carpet issues for too long.

genc

pre 15 godina

Nikola,

I was referring to Jeremic's statement: "the approval of this resolution will stop further recognitions". As to 48 or 51 I wouldn't speculate too much, but I see the number constantly increasing.

Now as to what is victory for Serbia... even the Kumanovo Agreement, kicking out all Serbian military, police and administration off Kosovo was presented as a victory for Serbia (maybe you think the same too).

Mr Q.

pre 15 godina

Weather its 48 or 51 recognitions, it is still half as much as both the USA and the Kosovo separatist regime imagined.. meaning victory for Serbia.
(Nikola, 15 October 2008 02:00)

Comments like this one (see paragraph above) always make me smile... I wish you many more victories like this one, Nikola!

Bye

Artan

pre 15 godina

Bojan & Nicola

Kosovas I. is a reality. I honestly beleive that all the work has backfired on Mr Tadic & Jeremic. As I am sure you understand by now that other countries in that region will follow. It is really interesting not to see Peggy replying to this article. You can't deny the truth and the will of the people.

Lets all live in peace.

I am sure that in 10 -20 years time all this will have been forgotten.

B92, I hope you dont censure my comments.

Peace, love & friendship to all the Albanians and Serbs in ex-Yougo and around the world.

Peace also to you Peggy and Kate.

Bekim

pre 15 godina

It was unavoidable. Kosovo is working in finding of long-term solution, while Serbia is losing everybody's time in searching for kind of conservation of Kosovo issue. People that lives in Kosovo are not vegetables to conservate them during the winter, life must go on with it's needs and obligations. ''After first big victory of Serbia in diplomatic field'' started new recoginitions from the states that actually was very hard to get them, our neighbors Macedonia and Montenegro as well as recognitions from Arab countries. Emirates are just the begining, it will be followed by most Arab countries, except Siria and Iran as a result of diferencies of their politics with USA. Therefore, my best possible advice for Serbia would be to admit that Kosovo is a matter of history and open a new page in good relations with it's neigbors as a priority, followed by taking steps for reaching an agreement with EU for closer ties. It would be natural think to do, to make some positive changes which will help entire region to integrate into EU. I know that lot of Serbians thinks opposite, especially those who lives in Western Europe or States, but WE that have chosed to live in this trouble Balkan do need a little hope that things can go right for our nations. For change at least.

Bekim

pre 15 godina

It was unavoidable. Kosovo is working in finding of long-term solution, while Serbia is losing everybody's time in searching for kind of conservation of Kosovo issue. People that lives in Kosovo are not vegetables to conservate them during the winter, life must go on with it's needs and obligations. ''After first big victory of Serbia in diplomatic field'' started new recoginitions from the states that actually was very hard to get them, our neighbors Macedonia and Montenegro as well as recognitions from Arab countries. Emirates are just the begining, it will be followed by most Arab countries, except Siria and Iran as a result of diferencies of their politics with USA. Therefore, my best possible advice for Serbia would be to admit that Kosovo is a matter of history and open a new page in good relations with it's neigbors as a priority, followed by taking steps for reaching an agreement with EU for closer ties. It would be natural think to do, to make some positive changes which will help entire region to integrate into EU. I know that lot of Serbians thinks opposite, especially those who lives in Western Europe or States, but WE that have chosed to live in this trouble Balkan do need a little hope that things can go right for our nations. For change at least.

agim

pre 15 godina

I think l the Kosovars dshould thank Serbia and special thank you`s should go to mr Jeremic for such a great effort on ICJ & speeding up kosovo recognitions.
Thank you UAE

Kosovo is a reality ;)

bojan

pre 15 godina

the name is not united arab emirates but united american emirates.
this recognition is not a surprise and a few USA puppets will follow.
but good to see that most of the arab countries are respecting international law and give their support for serbia.

Berkeley

pre 15 godina

Maybe this will be start for the Middle East area. UAE is one of the richest countries in this region and in the world. The fact that Serbia brought the case Kosovo to the ICJ doesn't really discourage countries to recognize Kosovo. Recognition is a bilateral decision and that is what the ICJ will say as well......in 5 years, maybe. In the meantime, more and more countries will follow.

ben

pre 15 godina

Good news indeed!!!

Let's hope that Saudi Arabia will follow and open the road to the OIC countries that would enable us to overpass the number 100.
I am curious to see if Belgrade will expel their ambassador too??? ;)

Kosovo Rock'n Roll

pre 15 godina

THE REOUBLIK OF KOSOVO,
Indeed a precendent, but a precedent that unites different cultures, a precedent that there has not to be a clash of cultures or religions, that Arabs and Americans, black and white, young and old, I dare: Serbs and Albanians have common values. A nation of young people that is showing generosity to reach the hand to (ex-)enemies.
Cheers,

Albanian

pre 15 godina

Let's see if Jeremic will kick their ambassador out of Serbia. More Arab states will follow i see around 20 more by end of this year.
And please B92 don't censure my comments.

picu

pre 15 godina

Things are rounding up VERY FAST. It seems the job is about to be completed very soon. Thanky UAE.

By the end of this year Serbia will line up too.

Thanks Mr Jeremic for speeding up the process.

predictor

pre 15 godina

Seems that the ICJ resolution has accelerated recognitions
(genc, 15 October 2008 01:09)

Genc, I totally agree with you. I said that earlier too, when Montenegro and Macedonia recognized us. Anyway Thank You UAE.
If we knew that this would happen, we would certainly encourage counties to vote pro resolution as well as speed the process of voting….!!!! For your information Amman, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are to come with the decision these days. Additionally some south American countries are expected to act these days too.
Big thanks to all countries that have and other countries that are considering our independence recognition.

Nikola

pre 15 godina

Really Genc?

Or did the ICJ Resolution just get the United States to get the last little bit of recognitions it can because the entire process stops.

Weather its 48 or 51 recognitions, it is still half as much as both the USA and the Kosovo separatist regime imagined.. meaning victory for Serbia.

kosovari86

pre 15 godina

I have the impression that countries like Jordan Saudi Arabia Yemen Oman etc are gonna follow pretty soon!
Wheres Mr Mile High Club? I wonder what is he going to say to his people....

picu

pre 15 godina

Things are rounding up VERY FAST. It seems the job is about to be completed very soon. Thanky UAE.

By the end of this year Serbia will line up too.

Thanks Mr Jeremic for speeding up the process.

kosovari86

pre 15 godina

I have the impression that countries like Jordan Saudi Arabia Yemen Oman etc are gonna follow pretty soon!
Wheres Mr Mile High Club? I wonder what is he going to say to his people....

predictor

pre 15 godina

Seems that the ICJ resolution has accelerated recognitions
(genc, 15 October 2008 01:09)

Genc, I totally agree with you. I said that earlier too, when Montenegro and Macedonia recognized us. Anyway Thank You UAE.
If we knew that this would happen, we would certainly encourage counties to vote pro resolution as well as speed the process of voting….!!!! For your information Amman, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are to come with the decision these days. Additionally some south American countries are expected to act these days too.
Big thanks to all countries that have and other countries that are considering our independence recognition.

Kosovo Rock'n Roll

pre 15 godina

THE REOUBLIK OF KOSOVO,
Indeed a precendent, but a precedent that unites different cultures, a precedent that there has not to be a clash of cultures or religions, that Arabs and Americans, black and white, young and old, I dare: Serbs and Albanians have common values. A nation of young people that is showing generosity to reach the hand to (ex-)enemies.
Cheers,

agim

pre 15 godina

I think l the Kosovars dshould thank Serbia and special thank you`s should go to mr Jeremic for such a great effort on ICJ & speeding up kosovo recognitions.
Thank you UAE

Kosovo is a reality ;)

C

pre 15 godina

The point is that as more countries recognize Kosovo, the less argumentative weight the ICJ process holds. First, it says to relutant countries that recognitions are occuring despite the ongoing legal process. And, second, it says that the very regional countries that are Kosovo's neighbors are recognizing us. That's significant.

There's no doubt the ICJ process will slow down the recognition efforts, but let's look beyond the curve. First, some recognitions will happen nevertheless, and are largely independent of the ICJ process. Second, the ICJ's ruling is unlikely to come up with a single opinion. It will contain lots of shades of grey. It will likely not directly use words 'it was legal, or it was illegal,' but it will contain mixed analysis and thus have a balanced opinion.

Such balancing can be used by both sides. But, it will be of greater benefit to Kosovo, since a mixed ruling, which itself is non-binding, will degrade Serbia's legalistic stance. You might say I am an optimist, but stay tuned for what happans in not too distant a future.

Third, the ICJ process itself is an attempt by the Serbian political elite to park the issue for some time, proceeding with EU integration, and hoping that Kosovo might go back on the back burner for some time.

The crux of the issue itself, regardless of the quite smart narrow formulation of the question by Serbia to ICJ, is that the ICJ cannot merely rule on whether 'the declaration' was legal or not.

Though Serbia's legalistic arguments are going to be given some weight, they are unlikely to be considered as superior at all. Reasons?

First, despite Serbia's outright rejection, the court cannot discard the issue of self-determination. Its a key question. It will probably not go as far as to affirm it in Kosovo's case, but it will need to balance the claim to territorial integrity, with the right of people to self-determination.

Second, the UN resolution itself is not a clear cut matter, as legal experts know too well. There's the argument of the respect for the Yugoslav (not Serbian) soveregnity which is only contained in the preamble part, which, according to the UN charter (make sure you read it) says is not binding on member states.

Third, even though Serbia inherited 1244 after the breakup, 1244 talked of Yugoslav soveregnity being respected, not Serbia's. That's significant. Even though there's divering opinions on this, there's an argument to be made of the fact that Serbia cannot inherit something (its claim to respect for soveregnity) which it did not have.

Fourth, the moral argument. Regardless of the fact that Serbs in general have a major issue in recognizing what their government did in the 1990s, the 'objective' opinion out there is that widespread crimes were committed on the Kosovo Albanians. Mass deportations were seen by the Serbs as a result of NATO's bombing, but why didnt Serbs in Serbia or Montenegrians flee, as bombing occured throughout? So, the moral argument of having a state kill its people is slowly weaving together a body of international law which in some "special case" can force "the international community" to take away the right to soveregnity of a government which systematically kills its own citizens.

The moral right to independence was claimed by the US from Britain. Read the declaration of independence. The moral right of Britan to govern Ireland was forefeited by way of widespread abuse. Though morality enjoys little affinity with realpolitik, the point is that it is utterly impractical to leave a 2 million population under the legal roof of a state which less than a decade ago killed them en masses.

Fifth, the sovereign right of countries to recognize others bilaterally is an important pillar of international law. Kosovo's declaration cannot be seen separately from the recognitions that followed. They were the same thing.

Sixth, there's numerous places on Earth who declared their independence long before any "international law" clinged on UN resolutions. The right of a compact territory, with a clearly defined political society, to its right to have its own state is undeniable. THe arguments of Abkhazia and SOuth Ossetia...look at their populations. Abkhazia doesnt even have 100,000 people, S/Ossetia has slightly more. We're talking about 2 million people.

Finally, the fact that Kurds or other people have a right to independence doesnt diminsh Kosovo's independence claim. The claim that Kosovo's independence will spark separatist sentiments isnt an argument. It only tells us of the persisting colonial mindset of some countries, and that the world should deal with the Kurdish issue and other pressing ones. Resolving Kosovo's case means encouraging resolving other cases. You cannot carpet issues for too long.

Mr Q.

pre 15 godina

Weather its 48 or 51 recognitions, it is still half as much as both the USA and the Kosovo separatist regime imagined.. meaning victory for Serbia.
(Nikola, 15 October 2008 02:00)

Comments like this one (see paragraph above) always make me smile... I wish you many more victories like this one, Nikola!

Bye

Albanian

pre 15 godina

Let's see if Jeremic will kick their ambassador out of Serbia. More Arab states will follow i see around 20 more by end of this year.
And please B92 don't censure my comments.

genc

pre 15 godina

Nikola,

I was referring to Jeremic's statement: "the approval of this resolution will stop further recognitions". As to 48 or 51 I wouldn't speculate too much, but I see the number constantly increasing.

Now as to what is victory for Serbia... even the Kumanovo Agreement, kicking out all Serbian military, police and administration off Kosovo was presented as a victory for Serbia (maybe you think the same too).

Jack

pre 15 godina

To Bojan: "this recognition is not a surprise and a few USA puppets will follow."

Hi Bojan,
I often find the term USA puppet ambiguous, should I be analyzing it word by word or letter by letter. To my knowledge puppets have been small things right???, how do you really define it, cuz every time a state has recognized Kosovo it has been a USA puppet for you, no matter if it was an EU member, a respected Arab State, or even your neighbor who you've lived up together for years.

I am really curious to see who will remain non USA puppet on the next 2-3 years to come.

ben

pre 15 godina

Good news indeed!!!

Let's hope that Saudi Arabia will follow and open the road to the OIC countries that would enable us to overpass the number 100.
I am curious to see if Belgrade will expel their ambassador too??? ;)

frukyy

pre 15 godina

@Milan

Your wisdom and maturity in this debate is outstanding. Your exceptional analysis of “recognition junkies” and how Albanians are demoralizing Serbs in B92 is terrific. But I don’t now who made you the “wisest” Serb” to speak on the name of other Serbs.
First and foremost Jeremic is a very bright and successful man with a brilliant national and international career that at least I personally envy. However his attempts to stop Kosva recognition are, at least for the moment, counterproductive. In my earlier message I was suggesting that Jeremici’s knowledge and intelligence can be at better use. Let’s make a bet me and you that by the end of 2009 the number of countries recognizing Kosova will be at 100. The question whether we like it or not is irrelevant, and we can argue, cry and trade insults about each others fate all day long or we accept the actual situation and rebuild the secular friendship as two nations.

frukyy

pre 15 godina

I highly respect the work of Jeremic but in all honesty right now he appears as Don Quixote. After all his lobbying all around Asia and Africa this looks like a blow to his efforts. His talent and knowledge can be much more useful if he accepts the reality and try to help Serbs of Kosova to be integrated in Kosova government.
For all the posters that only few weeks back were so supportive and had so many compliments about countries of Islamic Conference now it seems they changed their hearts. As of my personal view I wouldn’t want Kosova to be associated in any way with those radical nations.

bojan

pre 15 godina

the name is not united arab emirates but united american emirates.
this recognition is not a surprise and a few USA puppets will follow.
but good to see that most of the arab countries are respecting international law and give their support for serbia.

Bekim

pre 15 godina

It was unavoidable. Kosovo is working in finding of long-term solution, while Serbia is losing everybody's time in searching for kind of conservation of Kosovo issue. People that lives in Kosovo are not vegetables to conservate them during the winter, life must go on with it's needs and obligations. ''After first big victory of Serbia in diplomatic field'' started new recoginitions from the states that actually was very hard to get them, our neighbors Macedonia and Montenegro as well as recognitions from Arab countries. Emirates are just the begining, it will be followed by most Arab countries, except Siria and Iran as a result of diferencies of their politics with USA. Therefore, my best possible advice for Serbia would be to admit that Kosovo is a matter of history and open a new page in good relations with it's neigbors as a priority, followed by taking steps for reaching an agreement with EU for closer ties. It would be natural think to do, to make some positive changes which will help entire region to integrate into EU. I know that lot of Serbians thinks opposite, especially those who lives in Western Europe or States, but WE that have chosed to live in this trouble Balkan do need a little hope that things can go right for our nations. For change at least.

Artan

pre 15 godina

Bojan & Nicola

Kosovas I. is a reality. I honestly beleive that all the work has backfired on Mr Tadic & Jeremic. As I am sure you understand by now that other countries in that region will follow. It is really interesting not to see Peggy replying to this article. You can't deny the truth and the will of the people.

Lets all live in peace.

I am sure that in 10 -20 years time all this will have been forgotten.

B92, I hope you dont censure my comments.

Peace, love & friendship to all the Albanians and Serbs in ex-Yougo and around the world.

Peace also to you Peggy and Kate.

Nikola

pre 15 godina

Really Genc?

Or did the ICJ Resolution just get the United States to get the last little bit of recognitions it can because the entire process stops.

Weather its 48 or 51 recognitions, it is still half as much as both the USA and the Kosovo separatist regime imagined.. meaning victory for Serbia.

Berkeley

pre 15 godina

Maybe this will be start for the Middle East area. UAE is one of the richest countries in this region and in the world. The fact that Serbia brought the case Kosovo to the ICJ doesn't really discourage countries to recognize Kosovo. Recognition is a bilateral decision and that is what the ICJ will say as well......in 5 years, maybe. In the meantime, more and more countries will follow.

Milan

pre 15 godina

It looks like the Albanian visitors are, as usual, posting their little victory yells when they feel important again because of some useless recognition plus they must coordinate recommending each others postings. The worst is their attempts to demoralize Serbian visitors by claiming that soon many recognitions will follow and how silly Jeremic's attempts were and that the ICJ vote has speed up things and blah blah blah. Please remember that more countries support Serbia's initiative than recognizing Kosovo's UDI. I am sure your masters are pushing many other weak countries to recognize so give the impression that their little pet project is successful. Keep dreaming about 100. Most Serb visitors have become wiser not to respond anymore, but I could not resist to try to tell you once again how immature you are. In fact, you have probably become some kind of recognition junkies, searching the internet daily for new or possible recognitions to get a dose of "happiness" and then trying to rub that into our faces as if you have accomplished something great. Kosovo's reason for "success": location, location, location. Not your "culture", not your "suffering", not your desire for "freedom", not because you are such nice people. Wake up, because your corrupt KLA terrorist politicians will be the only ones who will benefit and once the West has stolen everything they need from "your" lands (raw materials and so on) and the oil pipeline is in place you will be forgotten very quickly. Location, location, location (it is sad, but it works).

Pavarsia

pre 15 godina

Though Serbia paid countries to vote for their initiative to win support in UN,it backfired, more recognitions are looming.Surely Serbia regrets taking that stupid step but too late.Ok Kosova will win this case on international court too. I don't see how Serbia could win this case.Is there any fact that supports Serbia, I don't think so.We all know that it was violence and oppression that kept Republic of KosovA indside Serbia's map.Whereas we have all the facts that support us,I don't see what do we miss, nothing.I don't even think KosovA's government needed to hire an international lawer.Even a school boy can win our case in Int. court.



THanks United Emirats.

Bekim

pre 15 godina

It was unavoidable. Kosovo is working in finding of long-term solution, while Serbia is losing everybody's time in searching for kind of conservation of Kosovo issue. People that lives in Kosovo are not vegetables to conservate them during the winter, life must go on with it's needs and obligations. ''After first big victory of Serbia in diplomatic field'' started new recoginitions from the states that actually was very hard to get them, our neighbors Macedonia and Montenegro as well as recognitions from Arab countries. Emirates are just the begining, it will be followed by most Arab countries, except Siria and Iran as a result of diferencies of their politics with USA. Therefore, my best possible advice for Serbia would be to admit that Kosovo is a matter of history and open a new page in good relations with it's neigbors as a priority, followed by taking steps for reaching an agreement with EU for closer ties. It would be natural think to do, to make some positive changes which will help entire region to integrate into EU. I know that lot of Serbians thinks opposite, especially those who lives in Western Europe or States, but WE that have chosed to live in this trouble Balkan do need a little hope that things can go right for our nations. For change at least.

Eltharion

pre 15 godina

@C,

Congratulations!
Finally some constructive comments and interesting analysis here.
It is important to recall what is ICJ room for manoeuver here. Neither Serbia nor Kosovo(a) should expect too much out of this case. ICJ advisory opinion is not likely to bring more light. I am afraid this is just creating too much expectations and will end up in more frustrations against international legal bodies since they will not come up with a clear cut answer in favour of one side.
Political statements on both sides claiming the Court will rule (actually deliver an opinion and not "rule") in their favour are therefore irresponsible.

Enver Hoxha

pre 15 godina

Are u noticing that Kosovo is recognized by the most developed countries in the world, first we received a boom of recognitions by the head states of world economy and technology, (USA, France, Germany, Italy, UK, Japan etc) now the first arab country that recognized us is the most developed arab country UAE, lets go to Africa, we are recognized by the African countries that are living peace even that there are only a few of them, I'm not mentioning Australia and others

In the other hand, countries that rejected Kosovo recognition are mainly countries known for terror and poverty, Iran(terror), Syria(terror), China(abuse of human rights), India(poverty), Egypt(Islamic fanaticism), Russia(abuse of human rights), and countries that have internal problems

with this fact can a pathetic say UDI is illegal, can a pathetic say it needs ICJ opinion

I DON'T THINK SO!!!

Nikola

pre 15 godina

Really Genc?

Or did the ICJ Resolution just get the United States to get the last little bit of recognitions it can because the entire process stops.

Weather its 48 or 51 recognitions, it is still half as much as both the USA and the Kosovo separatist regime imagined.. meaning victory for Serbia.

Milan

pre 15 godina

It looks like the Albanian visitors are, as usual, posting their little victory yells when they feel important again because of some useless recognition plus they must coordinate recommending each others postings. The worst is their attempts to demoralize Serbian visitors by claiming that soon many recognitions will follow and how silly Jeremic's attempts were and that the ICJ vote has speed up things and blah blah blah. Please remember that more countries support Serbia's initiative than recognizing Kosovo's UDI. I am sure your masters are pushing many other weak countries to recognize so give the impression that their little pet project is successful. Keep dreaming about 100. Most Serb visitors have become wiser not to respond anymore, but I could not resist to try to tell you once again how immature you are. In fact, you have probably become some kind of recognition junkies, searching the internet daily for new or possible recognitions to get a dose of "happiness" and then trying to rub that into our faces as if you have accomplished something great. Kosovo's reason for "success": location, location, location. Not your "culture", not your "suffering", not your desire for "freedom", not because you are such nice people. Wake up, because your corrupt KLA terrorist politicians will be the only ones who will benefit and once the West has stolen everything they need from "your" lands (raw materials and so on) and the oil pipeline is in place you will be forgotten very quickly. Location, location, location (it is sad, but it works).

bojan

pre 15 godina

the name is not united arab emirates but united american emirates.
this recognition is not a surprise and a few USA puppets will follow.
but good to see that most of the arab countries are respecting international law and give their support for serbia.

picu

pre 15 godina

Things are rounding up VERY FAST. It seems the job is about to be completed very soon. Thanky UAE.

By the end of this year Serbia will line up too.

Thanks Mr Jeremic for speeding up the process.

agim

pre 15 godina

I think l the Kosovars dshould thank Serbia and special thank you`s should go to mr Jeremic for such a great effort on ICJ & speeding up kosovo recognitions.
Thank you UAE

Kosovo is a reality ;)

Artan

pre 15 godina

Bojan & Nicola

Kosovas I. is a reality. I honestly beleive that all the work has backfired on Mr Tadic & Jeremic. As I am sure you understand by now that other countries in that region will follow. It is really interesting not to see Peggy replying to this article. You can't deny the truth and the will of the people.

Lets all live in peace.

I am sure that in 10 -20 years time all this will have been forgotten.

B92, I hope you dont censure my comments.

Peace, love & friendship to all the Albanians and Serbs in ex-Yougo and around the world.

Peace also to you Peggy and Kate.

Jack

pre 15 godina

To Bojan: "this recognition is not a surprise and a few USA puppets will follow."

Hi Bojan,
I often find the term USA puppet ambiguous, should I be analyzing it word by word or letter by letter. To my knowledge puppets have been small things right???, how do you really define it, cuz every time a state has recognized Kosovo it has been a USA puppet for you, no matter if it was an EU member, a respected Arab State, or even your neighbor who you've lived up together for years.

I am really curious to see who will remain non USA puppet on the next 2-3 years to come.

frukyy

pre 15 godina

@Milan

Your wisdom and maturity in this debate is outstanding. Your exceptional analysis of “recognition junkies” and how Albanians are demoralizing Serbs in B92 is terrific. But I don’t now who made you the “wisest” Serb” to speak on the name of other Serbs.
First and foremost Jeremic is a very bright and successful man with a brilliant national and international career that at least I personally envy. However his attempts to stop Kosva recognition are, at least for the moment, counterproductive. In my earlier message I was suggesting that Jeremici’s knowledge and intelligence can be at better use. Let’s make a bet me and you that by the end of 2009 the number of countries recognizing Kosova will be at 100. The question whether we like it or not is irrelevant, and we can argue, cry and trade insults about each others fate all day long or we accept the actual situation and rebuild the secular friendship as two nations.

predictor

pre 15 godina

Seems that the ICJ resolution has accelerated recognitions
(genc, 15 October 2008 01:09)

Genc, I totally agree with you. I said that earlier too, when Montenegro and Macedonia recognized us. Anyway Thank You UAE.
If we knew that this would happen, we would certainly encourage counties to vote pro resolution as well as speed the process of voting….!!!! For your information Amman, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are to come with the decision these days. Additionally some south American countries are expected to act these days too.
Big thanks to all countries that have and other countries that are considering our independence recognition.

Albanian

pre 15 godina

Let's see if Jeremic will kick their ambassador out of Serbia. More Arab states will follow i see around 20 more by end of this year.
And please B92 don't censure my comments.

Kosovo Rock'n Roll

pre 15 godina

THE REOUBLIK OF KOSOVO,
Indeed a precendent, but a precedent that unites different cultures, a precedent that there has not to be a clash of cultures or religions, that Arabs and Americans, black and white, young and old, I dare: Serbs and Albanians have common values. A nation of young people that is showing generosity to reach the hand to (ex-)enemies.
Cheers,

ben

pre 15 godina

Good news indeed!!!

Let's hope that Saudi Arabia will follow and open the road to the OIC countries that would enable us to overpass the number 100.
I am curious to see if Belgrade will expel their ambassador too??? ;)

Berkeley

pre 15 godina

Maybe this will be start for the Middle East area. UAE is one of the richest countries in this region and in the world. The fact that Serbia brought the case Kosovo to the ICJ doesn't really discourage countries to recognize Kosovo. Recognition is a bilateral decision and that is what the ICJ will say as well......in 5 years, maybe. In the meantime, more and more countries will follow.

Bekim

pre 15 godina

It was unavoidable. Kosovo is working in finding of long-term solution, while Serbia is losing everybody's time in searching for kind of conservation of Kosovo issue. People that lives in Kosovo are not vegetables to conservate them during the winter, life must go on with it's needs and obligations. ''After first big victory of Serbia in diplomatic field'' started new recoginitions from the states that actually was very hard to get them, our neighbors Macedonia and Montenegro as well as recognitions from Arab countries. Emirates are just the begining, it will be followed by most Arab countries, except Siria and Iran as a result of diferencies of their politics with USA. Therefore, my best possible advice for Serbia would be to admit that Kosovo is a matter of history and open a new page in good relations with it's neigbors as a priority, followed by taking steps for reaching an agreement with EU for closer ties. It would be natural think to do, to make some positive changes which will help entire region to integrate into EU. I know that lot of Serbians thinks opposite, especially those who lives in Western Europe or States, but WE that have chosed to live in this trouble Balkan do need a little hope that things can go right for our nations. For change at least.

Bekim

pre 15 godina

It was unavoidable. Kosovo is working in finding of long-term solution, while Serbia is losing everybody's time in searching for kind of conservation of Kosovo issue. People that lives in Kosovo are not vegetables to conservate them during the winter, life must go on with it's needs and obligations. ''After first big victory of Serbia in diplomatic field'' started new recoginitions from the states that actually was very hard to get them, our neighbors Macedonia and Montenegro as well as recognitions from Arab countries. Emirates are just the begining, it will be followed by most Arab countries, except Siria and Iran as a result of diferencies of their politics with USA. Therefore, my best possible advice for Serbia would be to admit that Kosovo is a matter of history and open a new page in good relations with it's neigbors as a priority, followed by taking steps for reaching an agreement with EU for closer ties. It would be natural think to do, to make some positive changes which will help entire region to integrate into EU. I know that lot of Serbians thinks opposite, especially those who lives in Western Europe or States, but WE that have chosed to live in this trouble Balkan do need a little hope that things can go right for our nations. For change at least.

Mr Q.

pre 15 godina

Weather its 48 or 51 recognitions, it is still half as much as both the USA and the Kosovo separatist regime imagined.. meaning victory for Serbia.
(Nikola, 15 October 2008 02:00)

Comments like this one (see paragraph above) always make me smile... I wish you many more victories like this one, Nikola!

Bye

genc

pre 15 godina

Nikola,

I was referring to Jeremic's statement: "the approval of this resolution will stop further recognitions". As to 48 or 51 I wouldn't speculate too much, but I see the number constantly increasing.

Now as to what is victory for Serbia... even the Kumanovo Agreement, kicking out all Serbian military, police and administration off Kosovo was presented as a victory for Serbia (maybe you think the same too).

C

pre 15 godina

The point is that as more countries recognize Kosovo, the less argumentative weight the ICJ process holds. First, it says to relutant countries that recognitions are occuring despite the ongoing legal process. And, second, it says that the very regional countries that are Kosovo's neighbors are recognizing us. That's significant.

There's no doubt the ICJ process will slow down the recognition efforts, but let's look beyond the curve. First, some recognitions will happen nevertheless, and are largely independent of the ICJ process. Second, the ICJ's ruling is unlikely to come up with a single opinion. It will contain lots of shades of grey. It will likely not directly use words 'it was legal, or it was illegal,' but it will contain mixed analysis and thus have a balanced opinion.

Such balancing can be used by both sides. But, it will be of greater benefit to Kosovo, since a mixed ruling, which itself is non-binding, will degrade Serbia's legalistic stance. You might say I am an optimist, but stay tuned for what happans in not too distant a future.

Third, the ICJ process itself is an attempt by the Serbian political elite to park the issue for some time, proceeding with EU integration, and hoping that Kosovo might go back on the back burner for some time.

The crux of the issue itself, regardless of the quite smart narrow formulation of the question by Serbia to ICJ, is that the ICJ cannot merely rule on whether 'the declaration' was legal or not.

Though Serbia's legalistic arguments are going to be given some weight, they are unlikely to be considered as superior at all. Reasons?

First, despite Serbia's outright rejection, the court cannot discard the issue of self-determination. Its a key question. It will probably not go as far as to affirm it in Kosovo's case, but it will need to balance the claim to territorial integrity, with the right of people to self-determination.

Second, the UN resolution itself is not a clear cut matter, as legal experts know too well. There's the argument of the respect for the Yugoslav (not Serbian) soveregnity which is only contained in the preamble part, which, according to the UN charter (make sure you read it) says is not binding on member states.

Third, even though Serbia inherited 1244 after the breakup, 1244 talked of Yugoslav soveregnity being respected, not Serbia's. That's significant. Even though there's divering opinions on this, there's an argument to be made of the fact that Serbia cannot inherit something (its claim to respect for soveregnity) which it did not have.

Fourth, the moral argument. Regardless of the fact that Serbs in general have a major issue in recognizing what their government did in the 1990s, the 'objective' opinion out there is that widespread crimes were committed on the Kosovo Albanians. Mass deportations were seen by the Serbs as a result of NATO's bombing, but why didnt Serbs in Serbia or Montenegrians flee, as bombing occured throughout? So, the moral argument of having a state kill its people is slowly weaving together a body of international law which in some "special case" can force "the international community" to take away the right to soveregnity of a government which systematically kills its own citizens.

The moral right to independence was claimed by the US from Britain. Read the declaration of independence. The moral right of Britan to govern Ireland was forefeited by way of widespread abuse. Though morality enjoys little affinity with realpolitik, the point is that it is utterly impractical to leave a 2 million population under the legal roof of a state which less than a decade ago killed them en masses.

Fifth, the sovereign right of countries to recognize others bilaterally is an important pillar of international law. Kosovo's declaration cannot be seen separately from the recognitions that followed. They were the same thing.

Sixth, there's numerous places on Earth who declared their independence long before any "international law" clinged on UN resolutions. The right of a compact territory, with a clearly defined political society, to its right to have its own state is undeniable. THe arguments of Abkhazia and SOuth Ossetia...look at their populations. Abkhazia doesnt even have 100,000 people, S/Ossetia has slightly more. We're talking about 2 million people.

Finally, the fact that Kurds or other people have a right to independence doesnt diminsh Kosovo's independence claim. The claim that Kosovo's independence will spark separatist sentiments isnt an argument. It only tells us of the persisting colonial mindset of some countries, and that the world should deal with the Kurdish issue and other pressing ones. Resolving Kosovo's case means encouraging resolving other cases. You cannot carpet issues for too long.

frukyy

pre 15 godina

I highly respect the work of Jeremic but in all honesty right now he appears as Don Quixote. After all his lobbying all around Asia and Africa this looks like a blow to his efforts. His talent and knowledge can be much more useful if he accepts the reality and try to help Serbs of Kosova to be integrated in Kosova government.
For all the posters that only few weeks back were so supportive and had so many compliments about countries of Islamic Conference now it seems they changed their hearts. As of my personal view I wouldn’t want Kosova to be associated in any way with those radical nations.

Pavarsia

pre 15 godina

Though Serbia paid countries to vote for their initiative to win support in UN,it backfired, more recognitions are looming.Surely Serbia regrets taking that stupid step but too late.Ok Kosova will win this case on international court too. I don't see how Serbia could win this case.Is there any fact that supports Serbia, I don't think so.We all know that it was violence and oppression that kept Republic of KosovA indside Serbia's map.Whereas we have all the facts that support us,I don't see what do we miss, nothing.I don't even think KosovA's government needed to hire an international lawer.Even a school boy can win our case in Int. court.



THanks United Emirats.

Eltharion

pre 15 godina

@C,

Congratulations!
Finally some constructive comments and interesting analysis here.
It is important to recall what is ICJ room for manoeuver here. Neither Serbia nor Kosovo(a) should expect too much out of this case. ICJ advisory opinion is not likely to bring more light. I am afraid this is just creating too much expectations and will end up in more frustrations against international legal bodies since they will not come up with a clear cut answer in favour of one side.
Political statements on both sides claiming the Court will rule (actually deliver an opinion and not "rule") in their favour are therefore irresponsible.

Enver Hoxha

pre 15 godina

Are u noticing that Kosovo is recognized by the most developed countries in the world, first we received a boom of recognitions by the head states of world economy and technology, (USA, France, Germany, Italy, UK, Japan etc) now the first arab country that recognized us is the most developed arab country UAE, lets go to Africa, we are recognized by the African countries that are living peace even that there are only a few of them, I'm not mentioning Australia and others

In the other hand, countries that rejected Kosovo recognition are mainly countries known for terror and poverty, Iran(terror), Syria(terror), China(abuse of human rights), India(poverty), Egypt(Islamic fanaticism), Russia(abuse of human rights), and countries that have internal problems

with this fact can a pathetic say UDI is illegal, can a pathetic say it needs ICJ opinion

I DON'T THINK SO!!!

kosovari86

pre 15 godina

I have the impression that countries like Jordan Saudi Arabia Yemen Oman etc are gonna follow pretty soon!
Wheres Mr Mile High Club? I wonder what is he going to say to his people....