Macedonia recognized under pressure?

So recognition of Kosovo was not aimed against Serbia. Whether it was or wasn't is irrelevant because the end result is the same.

Macedonia has been reduced to shame just like Montenegro.
Play with your Albanian pals now, but never turn your back on them.

Your turn to hand over a piece of your country is coming and nobody will object.
One good turn deserves another.

Peggy, I tend to agree with your assessment although there is another option. Both FYROM and Montenegro have proven how weak they really are as independent nations.

I suspect all of this soul selling is pressure to join the EU/NATO and to obtain some perceived security, however, they will be nothing more than mere servants and with the current financial meltdown, there are more important items on the agenda along with the EU blocking itself from new members.

As the situation continues to get worse, another option will appear, which will be to unite with Serbia once again and form a stronger union of republics.

I really do believe they will be begging for this option sooner rather than later. The whole divide and conquer plan was designed to make as many weak states as possible and to scare them into submission but I'm sure they didn't expect so many obstacles in the way of membership - FYROM name issue, Lisbon treaty rejection, financial meltdown and others.

As far as I'm concerned, the time is coming when the weak reunite for become strong again - give it 4 or so years.

we should not thank Macedonia, but only usa.

Macedonia would never recognize independent if USA wouldn't care.

So thanks to American Albanians who did a big job

Future of Macedonia depends and is in the hands of Albanians, who are over 40% of total population.

20 year from now Macedonia will be third Albanian state.

Wow, what a surprise!
Tell me something I don't know.

So where is Daniel Serwer now saying it's a countries right to or to not recognize a country. Apparently it's mandatory that you do so according to the EU and NATO.

ZK, You're right about them wanting to come back eventually but I don't think that it would be a good idea to form any sort of federation with them again.

The reason is history. After Serbia helped liberate Bosnia and Croatia from Ferdinand lot, Croatians welcomed Serbs with flowers and cheers on the street. Soon we had Yugoslavia emerging. Sure they were weak and needed protection so they used the Serbs to form a country where they would be equal. In the end they stabbed the Serbs in the back and continue to do so at every opportunity.

Macedonians were always trying to separate and in my experience with that community rarely any of them considered themselves Yugoslav but always identified themselves as only Macedonian.

Do you honestly believe that a next merger with Serbia would be genuine or just another desperate move until they think they can stand on their own again?

Why be used again by these people? They made their bed.

Now who we should look at joining is RS. Serbs in Bosnia have always been one with Serbia and do want to join. Here we would be getting quality citizens who think of themselves as Serbs and would die for defending that.

@Peggy:

don´t think that Serbia will stand by and watch how albanian extremists endanger Montenegro or Macedonia...

in order to care for regional stability and peaceful coexistence Serbia will help their neighbour-states to pacify the greater-albanian-extremists, if neccessary.

the wrong and shameful "recognitions" were not decided by the poeples of theses states... only by their weak leaders.

don´t blame the Montenegrin Serbs for their semi-democratic smuggler... the only way he sees is to prohibit demonstrations, what is acutually a basic civil right in a democracy...

he really seems to get nervous...

good, really good.

Doni:
Am not worried about 'islamic tsunami, have 'wading boots'. And you also say albanians make up over 40% of FYROM's population. Census figures from 2002 say 25.2%.

Facts are inconvenient things aren't they ;)

Give me a break. Serbia would have recognized Kosovo in a heart beat (if it was in Macedonia’s position). “A chance to become a part of the EU, in exchange for recognizing Kosovo, I’ll take it.”- that would have been Serbia’s quote. “Sorry Macedonia, but I don’t really care what you think” said Serbia.
(Uran, 15 October 2008 00:07)

Uran, Serbia is not so short shighted. Please refrain from such unsubstantianed proclamations.

>> Macedonia has been reduced to shame just like Montenegro.

...and 22 of the 27 EU nations, 7 out of 7 G7 members. It's Macedonia that is in good company

> Play with your Albanian pals now, but never turn your back on them.

Let me guess, Albanians backstabbed the honest and friendly Serbs? Ha! Macedonia learned its lesson and Albanians now have full right

Any boob can see that Macedonia must have faced extreme pressure here, obviously it was the Americans. It's a shame really, that Serbia poisoned its relations with Macedonia, this whole Kosovo thing could have and should have turned out differently.

Give me a break. Serbia would have recognized Kosovo in a heart beat (if it was in Macedonia’s position). “A chance to become a part of the EU, in exchange for recognizing Kosovo, I’ll take it.”- that would have been Serbia’s quote. “Sorry Macedonia, but I don’t really care what you think” said Serbia.

Any boob can see that Macedonia must have faced extreme pressure here, obviously it was the Americans. It's a shame really, that Serbia poisoned its relations with Macedonia, this whole Kosovo thing could have and should have turned out differently.
(Simon, 15 October 2008 03:40)

Simon, how did Serbia poison her relationship with Macedonia? From what is obvious to all, it was Macedonia who stabbed Serbia in the back. In my book that means Macedonia poinsed her relationship with Serbia and not the other way around.

How do you arrive at the decision that Serbia threw the first punch?
Of couse, everything bad that happens is always Serbia's fault.
Macedonia stabs Serbia in the back by recognising Kosovo and naturally that makes it Serbia's fault.

UAE recognized Kosova.. the islamic tsunami is on collision course with serbia..

That the so called Macedonia is irresponsible country is a public secret.

>> Macedonia has been reduced to shame just like Montenegro.

...and 22 of the 27 EU nations, 7 out of 7 G7 members. It's Macedonia that is in good company

> Play with your Albanian pals now, but never turn your back on them.

Let me guess, Albanians backstabbed the honest and friendly Serbs? Ha! Macedonia learned its lesson and Albanians now have full right

Give me a break. Serbia would have recognized Kosovo in a heart beat (if it was in Macedonia’s position). “A chance to become a part of the EU, in exchange for recognizing Kosovo, I’ll take it.”- that would have been Serbia’s quote. “Sorry Macedonia, but I don’t really care what you think” said Serbia.

UAE recognized Kosova.. the islamic tsunami is on collision course with serbia..

So recognition of Kosovo was not aimed against Serbia. Whether it was or wasn't is irrelevant because the end result is the same.

Macedonia has been reduced to shame just like Montenegro.
Play with your Albanian pals now, but never turn your back on them.

Your turn to hand over a piece of your country is coming and nobody will object.
One good turn deserves another.

Peggy, I tend to agree with your assessment although there is another option. Both FYROM and Montenegro have proven how weak they really are as independent nations.

I suspect all of this soul selling is pressure to join the EU/NATO and to obtain some perceived security, however, they will be nothing more than mere servants and with the current financial meltdown, there are more important items on the agenda along with the EU blocking itself from new members.

As the situation continues to get worse, another option will appear, which will be to unite with Serbia once again and form a stronger union of republics.

I really do believe they will be begging for this option sooner rather than later. The whole divide and conquer plan was designed to make as many weak states as possible and to scare them into submission but I'm sure they didn't expect so many obstacles in the way of membership - FYROM name issue, Lisbon treaty rejection, financial meltdown and others.

As far as I'm concerned, the time is coming when the weak reunite for become strong again - give it 4 or so years.

ZK, You're right about them wanting to come back eventually but I don't think that it would be a good idea to form any sort of federation with them again.

The reason is history. After Serbia helped liberate Bosnia and Croatia from Ferdinand lot, Croatians welcomed Serbs with flowers and cheers on the street. Soon we had Yugoslavia emerging. Sure they were weak and needed protection so they used the Serbs to form a country where they would be equal. In the end they stabbed the Serbs in the back and continue to do so at every opportunity.

Macedonians were always trying to separate and in my experience with that community rarely any of them considered themselves Yugoslav but always identified themselves as only Macedonian.

Do you honestly believe that a next merger with Serbia would be genuine or just another desperate move until they think they can stand on their own again?

Why be used again by these people? They made their bed.

Now who we should look at joining is RS. Serbs in Bosnia have always been one with Serbia and do want to join. Here we would be getting quality citizens who think of themselves as Serbs and would die for defending that.

we should not thank Macedonia, but only usa.

Macedonia would never recognize independent if USA wouldn't care.

So thanks to American Albanians who did a big job

Future of Macedonia depends and is in the hands of Albanians, who are over 40% of total population.

20 year from now Macedonia will be third Albanian state.

Doni:
Am not worried about 'islamic tsunami, have 'wading boots'. And you also say albanians make up over 40% of FYROM's population. Census figures from 2002 say 25.2%.

Facts are inconvenient things aren't they ;)

Any boob can see that Macedonia must have faced extreme pressure here, obviously it was the Americans. It's a shame really, that Serbia poisoned its relations with Macedonia, this whole Kosovo thing could have and should have turned out differently.
(Simon, 15 October 2008 03:40)

Simon, how did Serbia poison her relationship with Macedonia? From what is obvious to all, it was Macedonia who stabbed Serbia in the back. In my book that means Macedonia poinsed her relationship with Serbia and not the other way around.

How do you arrive at the decision that Serbia threw the first punch?
Of couse, everything bad that happens is always Serbia's fault.
Macedonia stabs Serbia in the back by recognising Kosovo and naturally that makes it Serbia's fault.

Wow, what a surprise!
Tell me something I don't know.

So where is Daniel Serwer now saying it's a countries right to or to not recognize a country. Apparently it's mandatory that you do so according to the EU and NATO.

That the so called Macedonia is irresponsible country is a public secret.

@Peggy:

don´t think that Serbia will stand by and watch how albanian extremists endanger Montenegro or Macedonia...

in order to care for regional stability and peaceful coexistence Serbia will help their neighbour-states to pacify the greater-albanian-extremists, if neccessary.

the wrong and shameful "recognitions" were not decided by the poeples of theses states... only by their weak leaders.

don´t blame the Montenegrin Serbs for their semi-democratic smuggler... the only way he sees is to prohibit demonstrations, what is acutually a basic civil right in a democracy...

he really seems to get nervous...

good, really good.

Give me a break. Serbia would have recognized Kosovo in a heart beat (if it was in Macedonia’s position). “A chance to become a part of the EU, in exchange for recognizing Kosovo, I’ll take it.”- that would have been Serbia’s quote. “Sorry Macedonia, but I don’t really care what you think” said Serbia.
(Uran, 15 October 2008 00:07)

Uran, Serbia is not so short shighted. Please refrain from such unsubstantianed proclamations.

Any boob can see that Macedonia must have faced extreme pressure here, obviously it was the Americans. It's a shame really, that Serbia poisoned its relations with Macedonia, this whole Kosovo thing could have and should have turned out differently.