UK ambassador: Unfortunate development

Another requrement by the EU for Serbia is:

NO FURTHER talks unless you establish full diplomatic ties with neighbours: MNG, MK and Kosovo.

Serbia is NOT going near the EU but distancing itself further and further.

Lates news by the EU is also that Serbia CANNOT issue any Kosovar citizen, Albanian or Serbian any Serbian passports. Period

What does any of this business have to do with the British ambassador? I have yet to read a single relevant or constructive comment this man has made.

It sounds to me like the dictators are attempting to describe this decision to expel those two ambassadors as something severe in an attempt to appease the recognitions.

Quite simply, it is next to nothing and it's high time this toothless "government" starts suing each and every nation that has recognised this illegal puppet entity.

Since both Montenegro and FYROM both rely on Serbia to a great extent, targetted sanctions aimed at the political elite are other steps that can be made.

From what I can gather, the steps being taken by NATO, the EU and US in the region are designed to cause instability and not to promote it.

To PRN:
There is no need to fabricate ridiculous news...
(dingdong, 13 October 2008 14:26)
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Oh, don't worry about PRN. He always seems to say the most ridiculous things and then starts to fabricate his number of recommendations. When he first started we would get something like 70 recommendations in 5 minutes while everyone else had about 5 for the whole day.

It's all kids stuff as far as I'm concerned.

Lates news by the EU is also that Serbia CANNOT issue any Kosovar citizen, Albanian or Serbian any Serbian passports. Period
(PRN, 13 October 2008 11:24)

Latest news: Aliens land spaceship and send fraternal greeting to Sar Mountain Polar bears to visit their home in Blisstonia - Koha Ditore

Quite simply, it is next to nothing and it's high time this toothless "government" starts suing each and every nation that has recognised this illegal puppet entity.

(ZK UK)

-I absolutely agree on this, but unfortunately that won’t happen. This government is spineless and all deeds seem to be just a farce. The real masters of Serbia’s policy are in Washington and Brussels while this government only implements that policy. I wish I was wrong, but there is no much room left for trust.

It looks like that all was a part of negotiated outcome. Tadic and pals knew this was going to happen (with Podgorica and Skopje) and of course they took some measures in order to trick average consumer of the daily policy pretending as if they were doing something. In reality, they did nothing. Expelling ambassadors from the country is just one of the lightest measures as a demonstration of angriness. But how long it will take before ambassadors are back to Belgrade? Probably not more than a few months.


This the same attitude that you express here ZK UK,that brought Serbia to this position,anyone that doesn't agree with your opinion should be sued

Viti i Balit

-No, you are not right. 15% of Serbian country is stolen from her and that has nothing to do with sharing different points of views on the certain matter. If we think that we are robed, then we have right to sue the thieves.

We are in this position because we fought against terrorism in our province, terrorism that was supported by the external elements (or so called powers). Every country in this world has right to fight against terrorism by all means except Serbia. And why is that? Well, just because those “powers” had own agenda in Balkans that had to be implemented and “Serbia was just the house on the middle of the road” (J.Cvijic).

This has nothing to do even with Milosevic. Who ever was in power then (could have been Tadic, Djindjic…), it would have been exactly the same. Serbia was just chosen to be bad guy for all the miserable events in the Balkans, since there must be always a bad guy to point the finger at. It is all about the interests in the Balkans by Washington and Brussels and all the ex Yugoslav puppets (except Serbia then) just served well the purpose, but unfortunately Serbia(present government at least) turns out to serve the purpose as well.

to PRN:

my dear, if you are not on the list of known criminals, you are free to travel to Niš, and just see with your own eyes how they CAN issue passports...

nobody can stop that, since the K-albanians just like all other Serbs are serbian citizens.

you will accept it, it is just a question of time until your head has cooled down...

as for the british amb: is there any relevance to his words? his bosses must be nervous, since they are constantly sending out veiled threats... :)

let us just see what future brings!

Nicole,

Montenegrin and Macedonians could ask the same for the comments of Russian Ambassador

This is a blatant interference into Serbia's internal affairs and Tadic &co should the tell her majesty's secret service to mind their own business.

To PRN:

There is no need to fabricate ridiculous news..."Lates news by the EU is also that Serbia CANNOT issue any Kosovar citizen, Albanian or Serbian any Serbian passports. Period". This would be illegal. Even if Kosovo was independent, Serbia could still issue passports to people in Kosovo. Have you not heard of dual citizenship? However, this situation is hypothetical as Kosovo is a part of Serbia and Serbia is only issuing passports to it's citizens.

UK ambassador: Unfortunate development.
Actually its very unfortunate for Serbia only,Serbia(Government) does not need ennemies Serbia does pretty good job to isolate itself.

(ZK UK,
Quite simply, it is next to nothing and it's high time this toothless "government" starts suing each and every nation that has recognised this illegal puppet entity.

This the same attitude that you express here ZK UK,that brought Serbia to this position,anyone that doesn't agree with your opinion should be sued.Your talking about country's that invest lot of effort hard labourious work as well as financial help to Serbia and Serbian government,and you say they should be sued. 192 Million in Serbian reserves want be enough, i think more rationality is required here. Thanks

Well there isn't any mention of it in this report, but the headline in Blic newspaper where this was taken from says:

'The Division of Kosovo only if Pristina and Belgrade agree'.

I'll let you draw your own conclusions as to what this means and to what it means that Blic led with one headline and B92 another.

The only unfortunate development is that Macedonia and Montenegro were bludgeoned into this exceptional piece of folly but the US, EU and UK.

Meanwhile in Kosovo the Albanians want EULEX to leave and the health workers are on strike! I feel a sense of deja vous here!

Can this man be dispatched back to London urgently?

“Being stabbed in the back”, as Serbian officials called the recognition of Kosovo/a’s independence by the Montenegrin and Macedonian governments, is to be seen as the final act of the 20th century Balkan-play, in which Serbia as usual tries to play the ‘leading part’, but
its striving for domination and hegemony was exercised in such a way that it gave the other peoples of the region the feeling of second-class citizens. Patiently they waited for the right opportunity to tear Serbia from its pedestal.

After I have read a lot of comments from the Serbian side, e.g.:

“I fear this man is a bit delusional when speaking about instability in the region because of Serbia and yet he still uses cheap talk about greater Serbia. I get disgust each time this man has something to say about Balkan and Serbia. He never changes his rhetoric and each time he points his finger at Serbia for all the troubles in the region
Nobody can stop the will of the Serbian people”.
(Mike, 11 October 2008 20:02)

And on to this Serbian FM’s opportunistic approach, how to declare the ground for asking the ICJ for advice:

SPIEGEL: So far, 47 states have recognized the independence of Kosovo, among them 21 members of the EU. Do you seriously believe they will change their opinion?
Jeremic: We do not want a confrontation, but only legal advice. That has, above all, great moral and political weight. We want to get back to the negotiating table. If we are affirmed, then we will be open for talks. In the meantime, however, no further countries should recognize Kosovo or admit it into international institutions
Or:
“Kosovo and those who support Kosovo independence will be in a situation where they have a permanent semi-defined or undefined status, which the ICJ’s ruling will render indefinite. Meanwhile, Serbia will be willing at any moment to return unconditionally? to the negotiating table to discuss reaching a solution that will be acceptable to both Belgrade and Priština, as well as the Security Council,“ said the minister

A lot becomes clear to people dealing with the Balkan situation:

1. All people that react by saying that the goal of the Serbian government is NOT to seek the way of the law, are right. The main goal is to hamper the recognition of Kosovo/a’s independence by other countries. As this government made clear on several occasions: a ruling by the ICJ in favour of Kosovo/a will not bring the recognition by the Serbian government.
2. The opposite is the opinion that recognition of the independence will bring stability and lasting peace into the region.
3. The main part of Serbia’s population has big difficulties with the shift that has taken place in the last 20 years concerning Serbia’s position in the region.

Some deliberations:

As I could read not only in several comments in B92 but also by some statements of Serbian leaders, K.Albanians are still seen as inferior or “not able to rule themselves”, something about which most of the states in the region have another judgment, except for the Serbian parts in them. It might be appropriate to confront them with: Playwright Jovan Čirilov said that he had marched against fascism as a 10-year-old on March 27, 1941. “Those who boast that they’re patriots are the biggest enemies of the people,” he said. One century of Serbian domination and hegemony, deeply felt by the other peoples of the Balkan, is enough. This is felt by the Serbs as a stab in the back, but is it NOT.
It is the open confrontation of these other peoples to tell Serbia that they are an equal part of the region. They want to put an end to Serbia’s selfish politics upheld by threatening others and at the same time hiding themselves behind a mask of declaring themselves as ‘victims’. Montenegro and Macedonia have seen that it was opportune to act after Serbia’s so called ‘seeking of the legal way’. All states in the region agree that only the recognition of Kosovo/a’s independence will bring the long-lasting peace and stability in the region. The recognition by Montenegro and Macedonia should put a halt to Serbia’s irresponsible acts of prolongation of instability. Both nations themselves could be hurt the most, because instability brings a negative climate for foreign investments that they need a lot.
As Serbia says it will never be willing to accept its province independence even when the ICJ would come out with a for them negative ruling, Montenegro and Macedonia had to react to secure their own ambitions of being part of the EU, which a great deal of the Serbian population seems to despise. The government seems to want it, but can’t find the way to come closer to it, caused not only by the opposition in the parliament but mainly by their dualistic approach.

By the way: expelling ambassadors or suing other states is like fighting windmills.

Hey, i have news, and apparently someone "forgot" to mention this on b-92. Israel did not vote to support serbia's latest move in the UNGA. i just assumed that the belgrade regime had scared them into supporting their proposal, but apparently not.

well done, Israel, this time.

again, and again, i wish to thank the british govt, and all of our frnds and allies around the world who have shown their support for democracy and independence. it is a great feeling.

once again, i appeal to serbia to stop their campaign against kosovo/a, and look to the future instead of the past. recognize the new nation, or at the very LEAST, sit down with the new govt in pristina, as equals, and talk, about some of the very pressing issues.

not quite as sexy or vote-winning, but in the long run, it is the way to go, the right way to go...

thank you.

roberto
frisco

--"The only unfortunate development is that Macedonia and Montenegro were bludgeoned into this exceptional piece of folly but the US, EU and UK."

and Croatia, Slovenia, and 22 out of 27 EU countries (for now, expect it to go to 27 soon). Serbia is the one isolated.

--'Meanwhile in Kosovo the Albanians want EULEX to leave and the health workers are on strike! I feel a sense of deja vous here!'

You know he is protesting?

“There are two reasons for the posters against Yves de Kermabon. In the fall of 2005, as KFOR commander, he invited to Priština former Chief of Staff of the VJ Dragan Paskaš, who is responsible for the murder of 12,000 Albanians, destruction of 120,000 houses and who has expelled more than one million people from Kosovo, without apologizing,” Kurti told reporters today.

Don't worry, there will no no civil war or unrest, when in need we all rally together around the Albanian flag. This is just some pressure for EU to speed reforms up (not good for Serbia)


The health care protest: Search for protests in Greece and other EU countries. In the end EU will see that more investments (not handouts) are needed and it will speed the process.

Another requrement by the EU for Serbia is:

NO FURTHER talks unless you establish full diplomatic ties with neighbours: MNG, MK and Kosovo.

Serbia is NOT going near the EU but distancing itself further and further.

Lates news by the EU is also that Serbia CANNOT issue any Kosovar citizen, Albanian or Serbian any Serbian passports. Period

UK ambassador: Unfortunate development.
Actually its very unfortunate for Serbia only,Serbia(Government) does not need ennemies Serbia does pretty good job to isolate itself.

(ZK UK,
Quite simply, it is next to nothing and it's high time this toothless "government" starts suing each and every nation that has recognised this illegal puppet entity.

This the same attitude that you express here ZK UK,that brought Serbia to this position,anyone that doesn't agree with your opinion should be sued.Your talking about country's that invest lot of effort hard labourious work as well as financial help to Serbia and Serbian government,and you say they should be sued. 192 Million in Serbian reserves want be enough, i think more rationality is required here. Thanks

Nicole,

Montenegrin and Macedonians could ask the same for the comments of Russian Ambassador

--"The only unfortunate development is that Macedonia and Montenegro were bludgeoned into this exceptional piece of folly but the US, EU and UK."

and Croatia, Slovenia, and 22 out of 27 EU countries (for now, expect it to go to 27 soon). Serbia is the one isolated.

--'Meanwhile in Kosovo the Albanians want EULEX to leave and the health workers are on strike! I feel a sense of deja vous here!'

You know he is protesting?

“There are two reasons for the posters against Yves de Kermabon. In the fall of 2005, as KFOR commander, he invited to Priština former Chief of Staff of the VJ Dragan Paskaš, who is responsible for the murder of 12,000 Albanians, destruction of 120,000 houses and who has expelled more than one million people from Kosovo, without apologizing,” Kurti told reporters today.

Don't worry, there will no no civil war or unrest, when in need we all rally together around the Albanian flag. This is just some pressure for EU to speed reforms up (not good for Serbia)


The health care protest: Search for protests in Greece and other EU countries. In the end EU will see that more investments (not handouts) are needed and it will speed the process.

“Being stabbed in the back”, as Serbian officials called the recognition of Kosovo/a’s independence by the Montenegrin and Macedonian governments, is to be seen as the final act of the 20th century Balkan-play, in which Serbia as usual tries to play the ‘leading part’, but
its striving for domination and hegemony was exercised in such a way that it gave the other peoples of the region the feeling of second-class citizens. Patiently they waited for the right opportunity to tear Serbia from its pedestal.

After I have read a lot of comments from the Serbian side, e.g.:

“I fear this man is a bit delusional when speaking about instability in the region because of Serbia and yet he still uses cheap talk about greater Serbia. I get disgust each time this man has something to say about Balkan and Serbia. He never changes his rhetoric and each time he points his finger at Serbia for all the troubles in the region
Nobody can stop the will of the Serbian people”.
(Mike, 11 October 2008 20:02)

And on to this Serbian FM’s opportunistic approach, how to declare the ground for asking the ICJ for advice:

SPIEGEL: So far, 47 states have recognized the independence of Kosovo, among them 21 members of the EU. Do you seriously believe they will change their opinion?
Jeremic: We do not want a confrontation, but only legal advice. That has, above all, great moral and political weight. We want to get back to the negotiating table. If we are affirmed, then we will be open for talks. In the meantime, however, no further countries should recognize Kosovo or admit it into international institutions
Or:
“Kosovo and those who support Kosovo independence will be in a situation where they have a permanent semi-defined or undefined status, which the ICJ’s ruling will render indefinite. Meanwhile, Serbia will be willing at any moment to return unconditionally? to the negotiating table to discuss reaching a solution that will be acceptable to both Belgrade and Priština, as well as the Security Council,“ said the minister

A lot becomes clear to people dealing with the Balkan situation:

1. All people that react by saying that the goal of the Serbian government is NOT to seek the way of the law, are right. The main goal is to hamper the recognition of Kosovo/a’s independence by other countries. As this government made clear on several occasions: a ruling by the ICJ in favour of Kosovo/a will not bring the recognition by the Serbian government.
2. The opposite is the opinion that recognition of the independence will bring stability and lasting peace into the region.
3. The main part of Serbia’s population has big difficulties with the shift that has taken place in the last 20 years concerning Serbia’s position in the region.

Some deliberations:

As I could read not only in several comments in B92 but also by some statements of Serbian leaders, K.Albanians are still seen as inferior or “not able to rule themselves”, something about which most of the states in the region have another judgment, except for the Serbian parts in them. It might be appropriate to confront them with: Playwright Jovan Čirilov said that he had marched against fascism as a 10-year-old on March 27, 1941. “Those who boast that they’re patriots are the biggest enemies of the people,” he said. One century of Serbian domination and hegemony, deeply felt by the other peoples of the Balkan, is enough. This is felt by the Serbs as a stab in the back, but is it NOT.
It is the open confrontation of these other peoples to tell Serbia that they are an equal part of the region. They want to put an end to Serbia’s selfish politics upheld by threatening others and at the same time hiding themselves behind a mask of declaring themselves as ‘victims’. Montenegro and Macedonia have seen that it was opportune to act after Serbia’s so called ‘seeking of the legal way’. All states in the region agree that only the recognition of Kosovo/a’s independence will bring the long-lasting peace and stability in the region. The recognition by Montenegro and Macedonia should put a halt to Serbia’s irresponsible acts of prolongation of instability. Both nations themselves could be hurt the most, because instability brings a negative climate for foreign investments that they need a lot.
As Serbia says it will never be willing to accept its province independence even when the ICJ would come out with a for them negative ruling, Montenegro and Macedonia had to react to secure their own ambitions of being part of the EU, which a great deal of the Serbian population seems to despise. The government seems to want it, but can’t find the way to come closer to it, caused not only by the opposition in the parliament but mainly by their dualistic approach.

By the way: expelling ambassadors or suing other states is like fighting windmills.

It sounds to me like the dictators are attempting to describe this decision to expel those two ambassadors as something severe in an attempt to appease the recognitions.

Quite simply, it is next to nothing and it's high time this toothless "government" starts suing each and every nation that has recognised this illegal puppet entity.

Since both Montenegro and FYROM both rely on Serbia to a great extent, targetted sanctions aimed at the political elite are other steps that can be made.

From what I can gather, the steps being taken by NATO, the EU and US in the region are designed to cause instability and not to promote it.

What does any of this business have to do with the British ambassador? I have yet to read a single relevant or constructive comment this man has made.

to PRN:

my dear, if you are not on the list of known criminals, you are free to travel to Niš, and just see with your own eyes how they CAN issue passports...

nobody can stop that, since the K-albanians just like all other Serbs are serbian citizens.

you will accept it, it is just a question of time until your head has cooled down...

as for the british amb: is there any relevance to his words? his bosses must be nervous, since they are constantly sending out veiled threats... :)

let us just see what future brings!

Well there isn't any mention of it in this report, but the headline in Blic newspaper where this was taken from says:

'The Division of Kosovo only if Pristina and Belgrade agree'.

I'll let you draw your own conclusions as to what this means and to what it means that Blic led with one headline and B92 another.

To PRN:

There is no need to fabricate ridiculous news..."Lates news by the EU is also that Serbia CANNOT issue any Kosovar citizen, Albanian or Serbian any Serbian passports. Period". This would be illegal. Even if Kosovo was independent, Serbia could still issue passports to people in Kosovo. Have you not heard of dual citizenship? However, this situation is hypothetical as Kosovo is a part of Serbia and Serbia is only issuing passports to it's citizens.

Lates news by the EU is also that Serbia CANNOT issue any Kosovar citizen, Albanian or Serbian any Serbian passports. Period
(PRN, 13 October 2008 11:24)

Latest news: Aliens land spaceship and send fraternal greeting to Sar Mountain Polar bears to visit their home in Blisstonia - Koha Ditore

Quite simply, it is next to nothing and it's high time this toothless "government" starts suing each and every nation that has recognised this illegal puppet entity.

(ZK UK)

-I absolutely agree on this, but unfortunately that won’t happen. This government is spineless and all deeds seem to be just a farce. The real masters of Serbia’s policy are in Washington and Brussels while this government only implements that policy. I wish I was wrong, but there is no much room left for trust.

It looks like that all was a part of negotiated outcome. Tadic and pals knew this was going to happen (with Podgorica and Skopje) and of course they took some measures in order to trick average consumer of the daily policy pretending as if they were doing something. In reality, they did nothing. Expelling ambassadors from the country is just one of the lightest measures as a demonstration of angriness. But how long it will take before ambassadors are back to Belgrade? Probably not more than a few months.


This the same attitude that you express here ZK UK,that brought Serbia to this position,anyone that doesn't agree with your opinion should be sued

Viti i Balit

-No, you are not right. 15% of Serbian country is stolen from her and that has nothing to do with sharing different points of views on the certain matter. If we think that we are robed, then we have right to sue the thieves.

We are in this position because we fought against terrorism in our province, terrorism that was supported by the external elements (or so called powers). Every country in this world has right to fight against terrorism by all means except Serbia. And why is that? Well, just because those “powers” had own agenda in Balkans that had to be implemented and “Serbia was just the house on the middle of the road” (J.Cvijic).

This has nothing to do even with Milosevic. Who ever was in power then (could have been Tadic, Djindjic…), it would have been exactly the same. Serbia was just chosen to be bad guy for all the miserable events in the Balkans, since there must be always a bad guy to point the finger at. It is all about the interests in the Balkans by Washington and Brussels and all the ex Yugoslav puppets (except Serbia then) just served well the purpose, but unfortunately Serbia(present government at least) turns out to serve the purpose as well.

To PRN:
There is no need to fabricate ridiculous news...
(dingdong, 13 October 2008 14:26)
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Oh, don't worry about PRN. He always seems to say the most ridiculous things and then starts to fabricate his number of recommendations. When he first started we would get something like 70 recommendations in 5 minutes while everyone else had about 5 for the whole day.

It's all kids stuff as far as I'm concerned.

The only unfortunate development is that Macedonia and Montenegro were bludgeoned into this exceptional piece of folly but the US, EU and UK.

Meanwhile in Kosovo the Albanians want EULEX to leave and the health workers are on strike! I feel a sense of deja vous here!

This is a blatant interference into Serbia's internal affairs and Tadic &co should the tell her majesty's secret service to mind their own business.

Can this man be dispatched back to London urgently?

Hey, i have news, and apparently someone "forgot" to mention this on b-92. Israel did not vote to support serbia's latest move in the UNGA. i just assumed that the belgrade regime had scared them into supporting their proposal, but apparently not.

well done, Israel, this time.

again, and again, i wish to thank the british govt, and all of our frnds and allies around the world who have shown their support for democracy and independence. it is a great feeling.

once again, i appeal to serbia to stop their campaign against kosovo/a, and look to the future instead of the past. recognize the new nation, or at the very LEAST, sit down with the new govt in pristina, as equals, and talk, about some of the very pressing issues.

not quite as sexy or vote-winning, but in the long run, it is the way to go, the right way to go...

thank you.

roberto
frisco