Jeremić confident of positive ICJ verdict

How pathetic of you Mr Jeremic to think that this ridiculous ICJ opinion will change anything in regard to further recognitions.

Had you had enough guts to file lawsuits before the International Court of Justice against each country that recognised our province of Kosovo individually, then there would have been more effects when it comes to halting any further recognitions.

This government turned out to be the funniest in Serbia’s history. Such obedience is truly unbelievable. So far you encountered only failure in every aspect when it comes to lobbing for Serbia’s interests. You allowed external interference in Serbian policy, as well as very open application of the pressure on Montenegro and FRYOM by the EU and USA, without taking any preventive steps against those countries that openly work against Serbia.

Yes, now you may take all the possible actions against Montenegro and FRYOM such as expelling ambassadors from the country, but the question is as to why only expelling ambassadors form FRYOM and Montenegro. No that I am against this action, but why not expelling UK’s and USA’s ambassadors as well? Well, I can only presume that there is no enough courage for such step, especially not enough courage to go against real creators of Serbia’s policy.

This ICJ opinion is only a bluff for an average consumer of daily policy as if you were doing something great. The thing is that the average consumer is no stupid and certainly recognised that it is all about show, and the show must go on. But, I admit, you succeeded to trick me for a moment. Luckily it was just a moment. But not any more, though.

From a Princeton Prof:
"A group can properly ask for international recognition when it is being oppressed so harshly that self-rule becomes the best method to save lives and liberties. As Allen Buchanan, a Duke University philosopher, has argued, the right to secede is a “remedial right only” — a way of rectifying a wrong."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/magazine/06wwln-idealab-t.html?ref=world

There isn't much to negotiate, other than Serbia's EU future which is tied to Kosova.

Serbia should do what america almost did with mexico...build a great wall and block them...so what, macedonia is envisaged in the Greater Albania plan away...Then it will be US, Albania and Macedonia and Montenegro...Bosnia will break up and Be one with serbia...

And if it's not a positive result you can always call the ICJ a puppet of the US.

After all, Serbia can't take any responsability for its actions right? It's always someone else's fault.

This is the key:
"As for Kosovo, Slobodan Milosevic relinquished Serbia’s claim to authority by having the province stripped of its autonomy and later crushing its civilians."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/magazine/06wwln-idealab-t.html?ref=world

And when exactly has the Hague sided with Serbia on anything?

Jeremic, don't dream out loud please.

"The General Assembly submitted the question to the ICJ exactly as it was formulated by the Serbian Foreign Ministry. "

- so much for the UK's last chance saloon motion http://www.b92.net/eng/news/in_focus.php?id=91&start=30&nav_id=54053 the other day! UK have been shown up as the US poodle but its international standing is now tainted by its illegality and disrepect for international norms and laws that it no longer is respected and clearly has little sway with its political US dictated motions!

The UK with its motion highlighted its desperation and predicament knowing that despite tehh ICJ not being binding it could not disregard the verdict when it comes since to do so would be the final nail for its respect of international norms and laws and Serbia if it wins would be able to apply immense pressure in UK courts against the UK govt and any business by UK companies in the UN recognised and ICJ backed soveign province of Kosovo & Metohija!

Oh what a tangled web EU weave when we hoped that Serbia would do as we pleased...

reading comment no.1 and 2, I was quite surprised about the naivety expressed.

could anybody please inform that boy that todays Serbia is a completely different country than the one of Mr.Milošević?

it´s quite interesting that they seem to ignore everything that doesn´t fit into their narrow worldsight...

let´s just see what future brings, but one last word on those childish remarks about Mr. Jeremić´s "bonus miles"...

seems like travelling throughout the world pays off, in regard to the kosovo-issue.

still being worried about the serbian tax-payers money, my dear albanian friends? :)

let´s not see it over-dramatic, these two "recognitions" were to be expected, they are way to weak to resist a bully´s pressure. furthermore they do not change very much in regard to our southern-province.

the really important thing remains: UNSC 1244 is still there and the ICJ verdict will very likely have to take that into account.

I love repeating it: let´s just see what future brings!

And than what Mr Jeremic,where from there.???

It's a Done Deal:
US legal eagle supports US position. Go figure. As for future negotiations, that will depend on the ICJ's ruling in the medium term, & if outcome is positive for Serbia, then will depend on K-albanians appetite for limbo in the long term. Also, your key no longer fit's the lock.

Funcakes:
You are confusing ICTY with ICJ. Shame isn't it.

bmrusila:
Share your cynicism w.r.t. Tadic. Less so regarding Jeremic. Regardless, still think ICJ is a good idea.

And than what Mr Jeremic,where from there.???
(Viti i Balit, 11 October 2008 13:45)
Wait for K-albanians to get fed up with current status quo.

AC:
Will cross that bridge or not, if it comes. Just as was the case with the vote in the GA. And Serbia is well on it's way with dealing with it's past. K-albanians on the other hand have barely begun.

qylym:
Serbia's initiative is on it's way to the ICJ, with no modifications. That is good enough for now. As for the effects of Montengro's recognition, for a start, that story is not over, & in any event, is only really significant for locals.

Jonathon:
Once again, ICJ is not the ICTY. And for an issue of this significance, will more than likely be the entire bench. As regards this statement:
"Not one decision of the ICJ has been truly independent and anti US as it is (apparently) funded by US and pro US"
It is simply wrong. Have cited US vs Nicaragua before. In that decision, only judge that supported the US position was.. US judge.

LOL @ Jeremic.
How delusional can one get? You failed.

Just before the ICJ panel of judges is appointed you will see that the West will configure the appointment of the ICJ with pro US judges to ensure that the "correct" decision is made which will support a pro US decision. Not one decision of the ICJ has been truly independent and anti US as it is (apparently) funded by US and pro US governments.
I am not confident that the iCJ is capable of being objective or independent as regards the Kosovo issue.

As much as I can underdstand Jeremic's anger, in the end it doesn't really change much. Montenegro and Macedonia are each down an ambassador in Serbia, but have done what the US and the EU want, and are eagerly awaiting their doggie treats. To someone like Djukanovic, they'd rather take their doggie treat (immunity) then have an ambassador in BG.

It's a psychological victory/defeat and nothing more. If these were the first two recognitions of Kosovo, it would be something different, but with 48 recognitions preceding it, CG and MK are just acknowledging the 800 pound gorilla sitting in the middle of the living room. At this point, a positive ICJ ruling for Serbia could give them the leverage to extract maximum political, economic, and institutional rights for K-Serbs, and in the wildest of dreams downgrade Kosovo to an EU Protectorate. But any idea of reincorporating Kosovo into Serbia's borders is gone. Much as I would like otherwise.

Haha, and what is the importance of this outcome.I wish I could talk to the ambassadors of Montenegro and Macedonia, the can come to Prishtina and we won't charge them for rent to be ambassadors here.long live The Republic of Kosova

From a Princeton Prof:
"A group can properly ask for international recognition when it is being oppressed so harshly that self-rule becomes the best method to save lives and liberties. As Allen Buchanan, a Duke University philosopher, has argued, the right to secede is a “remedial right only” — a way of rectifying a wrong."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/magazine/06wwln-idealab-t.html?ref=world

There isn't much to negotiate, other than Serbia's EU future which is tied to Kosova.

This is the key:
"As for Kosovo, Slobodan Milosevic relinquished Serbia’s claim to authority by having the province stripped of its autonomy and later crushing its civilians."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/magazine/06wwln-idealab-t.html?ref=world

And when exactly has the Hague sided with Serbia on anything?

Jeremic, don't dream out loud please.

"The General Assembly submitted the question to the ICJ exactly as it was formulated by the Serbian Foreign Ministry. "

- so much for the UK's last chance saloon motion http://www.b92.net/eng/news/in_focus.php?id=91&start=30&nav_id=54053 the other day! UK have been shown up as the US poodle but its international standing is now tainted by its illegality and disrepect for international norms and laws that it no longer is respected and clearly has little sway with its political US dictated motions!

The UK with its motion highlighted its desperation and predicament knowing that despite tehh ICJ not being binding it could not disregard the verdict when it comes since to do so would be the final nail for its respect of international norms and laws and Serbia if it wins would be able to apply immense pressure in UK courts against the UK govt and any business by UK companies in the UN recognised and ICJ backed soveign province of Kosovo & Metohija!

Oh what a tangled web EU weave when we hoped that Serbia would do as we pleased...

How pathetic of you Mr Jeremic to think that this ridiculous ICJ opinion will change anything in regard to further recognitions.

Had you had enough guts to file lawsuits before the International Court of Justice against each country that recognised our province of Kosovo individually, then there would have been more effects when it comes to halting any further recognitions.

This government turned out to be the funniest in Serbia’s history. Such obedience is truly unbelievable. So far you encountered only failure in every aspect when it comes to lobbing for Serbia’s interests. You allowed external interference in Serbian policy, as well as very open application of the pressure on Montenegro and FRYOM by the EU and USA, without taking any preventive steps against those countries that openly work against Serbia.

Yes, now you may take all the possible actions against Montenegro and FRYOM such as expelling ambassadors from the country, but the question is as to why only expelling ambassadors form FRYOM and Montenegro. No that I am against this action, but why not expelling UK’s and USA’s ambassadors as well? Well, I can only presume that there is no enough courage for such step, especially not enough courage to go against real creators of Serbia’s policy.

This ICJ opinion is only a bluff for an average consumer of daily policy as if you were doing something great. The thing is that the average consumer is no stupid and certainly recognised that it is all about show, and the show must go on. But, I admit, you succeeded to trick me for a moment. Luckily it was just a moment. But not any more, though.

LOL @ Jeremic.
How delusional can one get? You failed.

Serbia should do what america almost did with mexico...build a great wall and block them...so what, macedonia is envisaged in the Greater Albania plan away...Then it will be US, Albania and Macedonia and Montenegro...Bosnia will break up and Be one with serbia...

And than what Mr Jeremic,where from there.???

And if it's not a positive result you can always call the ICJ a puppet of the US.

After all, Serbia can't take any responsability for its actions right? It's always someone else's fault.

reading comment no.1 and 2, I was quite surprised about the naivety expressed.

could anybody please inform that boy that todays Serbia is a completely different country than the one of Mr.Milošević?

it´s quite interesting that they seem to ignore everything that doesn´t fit into their narrow worldsight...

let´s just see what future brings, but one last word on those childish remarks about Mr. Jeremić´s "bonus miles"...

seems like travelling throughout the world pays off, in regard to the kosovo-issue.

still being worried about the serbian tax-payers money, my dear albanian friends? :)

let´s not see it over-dramatic, these two "recognitions" were to be expected, they are way to weak to resist a bully´s pressure. furthermore they do not change very much in regard to our southern-province.

the really important thing remains: UNSC 1244 is still there and the ICJ verdict will very likely have to take that into account.

I love repeating it: let´s just see what future brings!

Haha, and what is the importance of this outcome.I wish I could talk to the ambassadors of Montenegro and Macedonia, the can come to Prishtina and we won't charge them for rent to be ambassadors here.long live The Republic of Kosova

As much as I can underdstand Jeremic's anger, in the end it doesn't really change much. Montenegro and Macedonia are each down an ambassador in Serbia, but have done what the US and the EU want, and are eagerly awaiting their doggie treats. To someone like Djukanovic, they'd rather take their doggie treat (immunity) then have an ambassador in BG.

It's a psychological victory/defeat and nothing more. If these were the first two recognitions of Kosovo, it would be something different, but with 48 recognitions preceding it, CG and MK are just acknowledging the 800 pound gorilla sitting in the middle of the living room. At this point, a positive ICJ ruling for Serbia could give them the leverage to extract maximum political, economic, and institutional rights for K-Serbs, and in the wildest of dreams downgrade Kosovo to an EU Protectorate. But any idea of reincorporating Kosovo into Serbia's borders is gone. Much as I would like otherwise.

Just before the ICJ panel of judges is appointed you will see that the West will configure the appointment of the ICJ with pro US judges to ensure that the "correct" decision is made which will support a pro US decision. Not one decision of the ICJ has been truly independent and anti US as it is (apparently) funded by US and pro US governments.
I am not confident that the iCJ is capable of being objective or independent as regards the Kosovo issue.

It's a Done Deal:
US legal eagle supports US position. Go figure. As for future negotiations, that will depend on the ICJ's ruling in the medium term, & if outcome is positive for Serbia, then will depend on K-albanians appetite for limbo in the long term. Also, your key no longer fit's the lock.

Funcakes:
You are confusing ICTY with ICJ. Shame isn't it.

bmrusila:
Share your cynicism w.r.t. Tadic. Less so regarding Jeremic. Regardless, still think ICJ is a good idea.

And than what Mr Jeremic,where from there.???
(Viti i Balit, 11 October 2008 13:45)
Wait for K-albanians to get fed up with current status quo.

AC:
Will cross that bridge or not, if it comes. Just as was the case with the vote in the GA. And Serbia is well on it's way with dealing with it's past. K-albanians on the other hand have barely begun.

qylym:
Serbia's initiative is on it's way to the ICJ, with no modifications. That is good enough for now. As for the effects of Montengro's recognition, for a start, that story is not over, & in any event, is only really significant for locals.

Jonathon:
Once again, ICJ is not the ICTY. And for an issue of this significance, will more than likely be the entire bench. As regards this statement:
"Not one decision of the ICJ has been truly independent and anti US as it is (apparently) funded by US and pro US"
It is simply wrong. Have cited US vs Nicaragua before. In that decision, only judge that supported the US position was.. US judge.