Time to invite russian peacekeepers in the Mitrovica district and for RS to hold a referendum and stop messing around. Serbia should also file lawsuits like Kostunica wanted, that is a smart move.
'Serbs settled in the Balkans. They didn't occupy like you want all to believe. If you want to point fingers at anyone, point them at the US who have taken the land from the Indians by force. Sort of what you are doing in Kosovo now. I can see why the US is backing you. They are guilty of land grab too.' - Peggy'
At least directly or inderectly you accept that Albanian have always forever lived in Ballkans and it was Serbs that came to live there.
"Dačić added that a revision of the epic Montenegrin poetry might be in order, to reconsider the notions of heroism and strength of character, "since throughout their history Montenegrins have fought against the Turks and, together with Serbia, liberated Kosovo from the Turkish and Albanian occupation"."
Ladies and gentlemen, this is what Interior Minister of Tadic and Jeremic governemnt calls K-Albanians.
OCCUPIERS!!
Ladies and Gentlemen of ICJ, do you see it now why K-Independence is in accordance with int law?
I am happy for the montenegrian gov that made such a nice and smart decision and recognized the independence of kosova
now montenegro is going toward the
eu good luck montenegro!
Serbia is trying all the possibility to bring back kosovos Decleration of Independence but its not gonna ever happen its done once and for ever .
Good Luck Montenegro :)
@9Dashnori & Ceces, I have checked the link you provided and The Guardian is hardly a Serbian source.
Can you please pic another unbiased source?
What can I say about your whole reply to me but you are wrong on all counts.
Trying to rewrite history won't pay off. We all know exactly what the truth is. The fact that you can't accept it is your problem.
BTW, have you seen that documentary called "Stolen Kosovo"? I suppose you will label that as Serbian propaganda too, but sadly for you it wasn't done by the Serbs.
Remember 1443 at Lezha National Convention where prict of Montenegro at the time join Albanian tribes to fight together agains turkish. I m glad todays govermnet has shown that they want to live in peace and harmony with albanians as once in middle ages.
>> I suppose it was the Albanians who fought in Kosovo against the Turks in 1389.
Actually Albanians fought in 1389 alongside Lazar. Of course Albanians fought the Turks under Scanderbeg and won 13 times (beat two Sultans)
>> The only time Albanians have become a majority is just after WW2 and that's due to Tito's anti Serbian stance there."
WRONG! The 1920's settlers were not allowed to return, but the reason Serbia started the colonization is because Albanians were a majority. Even Serbs admit this much. In 1912, Albanians made 75% as per Serbian governmental sources (no guesses by travelers). http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/26/kosovo.serbia
After WWII the numbers returned to what they were before the colonization.
You should read about Dusan's Code where he mentions Albanians (the 'heretics'). It explains why Albanians had to go to the mountains.
The Serbs "liberated" an area full of 90% Albanians, who had been living there since before the Serbs even existed as a people and began to conquer the territory in the 13th century?
I suppose it was the Albanians who fought in Kosovo against the Turks in 1389.
The only time Albanians have become a majority is just after WW2 and that's due to Tito's anti Serbian stance there.
Then after that it was all the ethnic cleansing which has happened over decades since WW2 and finally the expulsion of Serbs from Kosovo under the watchtful eye of NATO.
Albanians have a lot to be ashamed of.
Serbs settled in the Balkans. They didn't occupy like you want all to believe. If you want to point fingers at anyone, point them at the US who have taken the land from the Indians by force. Sort of what you are doing in Kosovo now. I can see why the US is backing you. They are guilty of land grab too.
>>> "since throughout their history Montenegrins have fought against the Turks and, together with Serbia, liberated Kosovo from the Turkish and Albanian occupation".
What Mark said before. Plus, history is not part of Serbia's curriculum I guess. When Montengrins fought against Turks most of the time they fought alongside with Albanian tribes: Hoti, Gruda, Kastrati, Kuchi, Piperaj, Shkreli, Kelmendi...long before 1912. When Russia started to make waves in the Balkans, that's when MN back stabbed us.
You really liberated it from Albanian occupation. Oh Wait, Albanians are the indigenous people largely chased to the mountains by the Slav. We call it occupation!
time for a reality check and a quick history lesson for some albanians that dont know better...
Kosovo was never occupied by Srbija. albanians make up 90% of population only after ethnicly cleansing Serbs for centuries. This is the truth, and sorry to break it to you, but albanians have never been allies with Serbs or Montenegrins. Its amazing how you can claim that we were allies when the whole world knows that albanians sided with turks and nazi's. Give me a break, you cant change who you are and what your history is, as much as you want to! Montenegro gave in to the British, American, and German demands which is sickening but dont worry, those countries will get whats coming to them and that is evident today. Long live Russia and Mother Serbia! Kosovo je Srbija!
"The Serbs "liberated" an area full of 90% Albanians, who had been living there since before the Serbs even existed as a people and began to conquer the territory in the 13th century?"
"Shqype",
Maybe you should check the following link to see that your 90% claim is completely wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovar
"British journalist H. Brailsford estimated in 1906[20] that two-thirds of the population of Kosovo was Albanian and one-third Serbian. The most populous western districts of Djakovica and Peć were said to have between 20,000 and 25,000 Albanian households, as against some 5,000 Serbian ones. A map of Alfred Stead,[21] published in 1909 , shows that similar numbers of Serbs and Albanians were living in the territory.
German scholar Gustav Weigand gave the following statistical data about the population of Kosovo[14], based on the pre-war situation in Kosovo in 1912:
Metohija with the town of Đakovica is furthermore defined as almost exclusively Albanian by Weigand[14]. Citing Serbian sources, Noel Malcolm also states that in 1912 when Serbia "liberated" Kosovo, "the Orthodox Serb population at less than 25%,[5]"
It will be in Serbia's interest to recognize Republika Srpska as independent and the Serbs in Montenegro can claim their independence (and have a right to do so, only 20% of the Serbian population (which you still belong to) is ethnic Albanian so Serbs in Montenegro have more rights than you have).
Which wars did Serbia loose? Most of them ended with peace agreements signed by all parties. If you can not accept this it is no wonder that you feel like you have "won" "something". Serbia should also act completely in its own self interest and for its own people. Forget about brotherhood, long time friendship, loyalty and trust. And you know what, we Serbs will come back stronger, better, meaner and more determined than ever before. Enjoy your little party while it lasts.
>>> "since throughout their history Montenegrins have fought against the Turks and, together with Serbia, liberated Kosovo from the Turkish and Albanian occupation".
What Mark said before. Plus, history is not part of Serbia's curriculum I guess. When Montengrins fought against Turks most of the time they fought alongside with Albanian tribes: Hoti, Gruda, Kastrati, Kuchi, Piperaj, Shkreli, Kelmendi...long before 1912. When Russia started to make waves in the Balkans, that's when MN back stabbed us.
You really liberated it from Albanian occupation. Oh Wait, Albanians are the indigenous people largely chased to the mountains by the Slav. We call it occupation!
This is completely ridiculous. I honestly cannot believe the stupidity and disillusionment of the Serb politician that has the audacity to claim that "Montenegrins have fought against the Turks and, together with Serbia, liberated Kosovo from the Turkish and Albanian occupation".
The Serbs "liberated" an area full of 90% Albanians, who had been living there since before the Serbs even existed as a people and began to conquer the territory in the 13th century?
Such ignorance is inexcusable. The Albanians fought to liberate their land from the Turks, AND from the Serbs, who conquered it against the will of the people in 1912.
And Mr. Dacic, the reason that countries like Spain "support" Serbia is because they have their own populations that deserve independence, but the Spanish state is unwilling to give it to them.
What it comes down to, is each state will act in its own self interest. Spain believes it is in their best interest not to recognize Kosova at this point (they're wrong), but Montenegro realizes it is in the best interests of its state, and the region, to accept the reality of Kosovar independence.
"The Serbs "liberated" an area full of 90% Albanians, who had been living there since before the Serbs even existed as a people and began to conquer the territory in the 13th century?"
"Shqype",
Maybe you should check the following link to see that your 90% claim is completely wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovar
"British journalist H. Brailsford estimated in 1906[20] that two-thirds of the population of Kosovo was Albanian and one-third Serbian. The most populous western districts of Djakovica and Peć were said to have between 20,000 and 25,000 Albanian households, as against some 5,000 Serbian ones. A map of Alfred Stead,[21] published in 1909 , shows that similar numbers of Serbs and Albanians were living in the territory.
German scholar Gustav Weigand gave the following statistical data about the population of Kosovo[14], based on the pre-war situation in Kosovo in 1912:
Metohija with the town of Đakovica is furthermore defined as almost exclusively Albanian by Weigand[14]. Citing Serbian sources, Noel Malcolm also states that in 1912 when Serbia "liberated" Kosovo, "the Orthodox Serb population at less than 25%,[5]"
It will be in Serbia's interest to recognize Republika Srpska as independent and the Serbs in Montenegro can claim their independence (and have a right to do so, only 20% of the Serbian population (which you still belong to) is ethnic Albanian so Serbs in Montenegro have more rights than you have).
Which wars did Serbia loose? Most of them ended with peace agreements signed by all parties. If you can not accept this it is no wonder that you feel like you have "won" "something". Serbia should also act completely in its own self interest and for its own people. Forget about brotherhood, long time friendship, loyalty and trust. And you know what, we Serbs will come back stronger, better, meaner and more determined than ever before. Enjoy your little party while it lasts.
This is completely ridiculous. I honestly cannot believe the stupidity and disillusionment of the Serb politician that has the audacity to claim that "Montenegrins have fought against the Turks and, together with Serbia, liberated Kosovo from the Turkish and Albanian occupation".
The Serbs "liberated" an area full of 90% Albanians, who had been living there since before the Serbs even existed as a people and began to conquer the territory in the 13th century?
Such ignorance is inexcusable. The Albanians fought to liberate their land from the Turks, AND from the Serbs, who conquered it against the will of the people in 1912.
And Mr. Dacic, the reason that countries like Spain "support" Serbia is because they have their own populations that deserve independence, but the Spanish state is unwilling to give it to them.
What it comes down to, is each state will act in its own self interest. Spain believes it is in their best interest not to recognize Kosova at this point (they're wrong), but Montenegro realizes it is in the best interests of its state, and the region, to accept the reality of Kosovar independence.
time for a reality check and a quick history lesson for some albanians that dont know better...
Kosovo was never occupied by Srbija. albanians make up 90% of population only after ethnicly cleansing Serbs for centuries. This is the truth, and sorry to break it to you, but albanians have never been allies with Serbs or Montenegrins. Its amazing how you can claim that we were allies when the whole world knows that albanians sided with turks and nazi's. Give me a break, you cant change who you are and what your history is, as much as you want to! Montenegro gave in to the British, American, and German demands which is sickening but dont worry, those countries will get whats coming to them and that is evident today. Long live Russia and Mother Serbia! Kosovo je Srbija!
The Serbs "liberated" an area full of 90% Albanians, who had been living there since before the Serbs even existed as a people and began to conquer the territory in the 13th century?
I suppose it was the Albanians who fought in Kosovo against the Turks in 1389.
The only time Albanians have become a majority is just after WW2 and that's due to Tito's anti Serbian stance there.
Then after that it was all the ethnic cleansing which has happened over decades since WW2 and finally the expulsion of Serbs from Kosovo under the watchtful eye of NATO.
Albanians have a lot to be ashamed of.
Serbs settled in the Balkans. They didn't occupy like you want all to believe. If you want to point fingers at anyone, point them at the US who have taken the land from the Indians by force. Sort of what you are doing in Kosovo now. I can see why the US is backing you. They are guilty of land grab too.
>>> "since throughout their history Montenegrins have fought against the Turks and, together with Serbia, liberated Kosovo from the Turkish and Albanian occupation".
What Mark said before. Plus, history is not part of Serbia's curriculum I guess. When Montengrins fought against Turks most of the time they fought alongside with Albanian tribes: Hoti, Gruda, Kastrati, Kuchi, Piperaj, Shkreli, Kelmendi...long before 1912. When Russia started to make waves in the Balkans, that's when MN back stabbed us.
You really liberated it from Albanian occupation. Oh Wait, Albanians are the indigenous people largely chased to the mountains by the Slav. We call it occupation!
I am happy for the montenegrian gov that made such a nice and smart decision and recognized the independence of kosova
now montenegro is going toward the
eu good luck montenegro!
Serbia is trying all the possibility to bring back kosovos Decleration of Independence but its not gonna ever happen its done once and for ever .
Good Luck Montenegro :)
>>> "since throughout their history Montenegrins have fought against the Turks and, together with Serbia, liberated Kosovo from the Turkish and Albanian occupation".
What Mark said before. Plus, history is not part of Serbia's curriculum I guess. When Montengrins fought against Turks most of the time they fought alongside with Albanian tribes: Hoti, Gruda, Kastrati, Kuchi, Piperaj, Shkreli, Kelmendi...long before 1912. When Russia started to make waves in the Balkans, that's when MN back stabbed us.
You really liberated it from Albanian occupation. Oh Wait, Albanians are the indigenous people largely chased to the mountains by the Slav. We call it occupation!
>> I suppose it was the Albanians who fought in Kosovo against the Turks in 1389.
Actually Albanians fought in 1389 alongside Lazar. Of course Albanians fought the Turks under Scanderbeg and won 13 times (beat two Sultans)
>> The only time Albanians have become a majority is just after WW2 and that's due to Tito's anti Serbian stance there."
WRONG! The 1920's settlers were not allowed to return, but the reason Serbia started the colonization is because Albanians were a majority. Even Serbs admit this much. In 1912, Albanians made 75% as per Serbian governmental sources (no guesses by travelers). http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/26/kosovo.serbia
After WWII the numbers returned to what they were before the colonization.
You should read about Dusan's Code where he mentions Albanians (the 'heretics'). It explains why Albanians had to go to the mountains.
@9Dashnori & Ceces, I have checked the link you provided and The Guardian is hardly a Serbian source.
Can you please pic another unbiased source?
What can I say about your whole reply to me but you are wrong on all counts.
Trying to rewrite history won't pay off. We all know exactly what the truth is. The fact that you can't accept it is your problem.
BTW, have you seen that documentary called "Stolen Kosovo"? I suppose you will label that as Serbian propaganda too, but sadly for you it wasn't done by the Serbs.
'Serbs settled in the Balkans. They didn't occupy like you want all to believe. If you want to point fingers at anyone, point them at the US who have taken the land from the Indians by force. Sort of what you are doing in Kosovo now. I can see why the US is backing you. They are guilty of land grab too.' - Peggy'
At least directly or inderectly you accept that Albanian have always forever lived in Ballkans and it was Serbs that came to live there.
Remember 1443 at Lezha National Convention where prict of Montenegro at the time join Albanian tribes to fight together agains turkish. I m glad todays govermnet has shown that they want to live in peace and harmony with albanians as once in middle ages.
"Dačić added that a revision of the epic Montenegrin poetry might be in order, to reconsider the notions of heroism and strength of character, "since throughout their history Montenegrins have fought against the Turks and, together with Serbia, liberated Kosovo from the Turkish and Albanian occupation"."
Ladies and gentlemen, this is what Interior Minister of Tadic and Jeremic governemnt calls K-Albanians.
OCCUPIERS!!
Ladies and Gentlemen of ICJ, do you see it now why K-Independence is in accordance with int law?
Time to invite russian peacekeepers in the Mitrovica district and for RS to hold a referendum and stop messing around. Serbia should also file lawsuits like Kostunica wanted, that is a smart move.
This is completely ridiculous. I honestly cannot believe the stupidity and disillusionment of the Serb politician that has the audacity to claim that "Montenegrins have fought against the Turks and, together with Serbia, liberated Kosovo from the Turkish and Albanian occupation".
The Serbs "liberated" an area full of 90% Albanians, who had been living there since before the Serbs even existed as a people and began to conquer the territory in the 13th century?
Such ignorance is inexcusable. The Albanians fought to liberate their land from the Turks, AND from the Serbs, who conquered it against the will of the people in 1912.
And Mr. Dacic, the reason that countries like Spain "support" Serbia is because they have their own populations that deserve independence, but the Spanish state is unwilling to give it to them.
What it comes down to, is each state will act in its own self interest. Spain believes it is in their best interest not to recognize Kosova at this point (they're wrong), but Montenegro realizes it is in the best interests of its state, and the region, to accept the reality of Kosovar independence.
>>> "since throughout their history Montenegrins have fought against the Turks and, together with Serbia, liberated Kosovo from the Turkish and Albanian occupation".
What Mark said before. Plus, history is not part of Serbia's curriculum I guess. When Montengrins fought against Turks most of the time they fought alongside with Albanian tribes: Hoti, Gruda, Kastrati, Kuchi, Piperaj, Shkreli, Kelmendi...long before 1912. When Russia started to make waves in the Balkans, that's when MN back stabbed us.
You really liberated it from Albanian occupation. Oh Wait, Albanians are the indigenous people largely chased to the mountains by the Slav. We call it occupation!
"The Serbs "liberated" an area full of 90% Albanians, who had been living there since before the Serbs even existed as a people and began to conquer the territory in the 13th century?"
"Shqype",
Maybe you should check the following link to see that your 90% claim is completely wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovar
"British journalist H. Brailsford estimated in 1906[20] that two-thirds of the population of Kosovo was Albanian and one-third Serbian. The most populous western districts of Djakovica and Peć were said to have between 20,000 and 25,000 Albanian households, as against some 5,000 Serbian ones. A map of Alfred Stead,[21] published in 1909 , shows that similar numbers of Serbs and Albanians were living in the territory.
German scholar Gustav Weigand gave the following statistical data about the population of Kosovo[14], based on the pre-war situation in Kosovo in 1912:
Metohija with the town of Đakovica is furthermore defined as almost exclusively Albanian by Weigand[14]. Citing Serbian sources, Noel Malcolm also states that in 1912 when Serbia "liberated" Kosovo, "the Orthodox Serb population at less than 25%,[5]"
It will be in Serbia's interest to recognize Republika Srpska as independent and the Serbs in Montenegro can claim their independence (and have a right to do so, only 20% of the Serbian population (which you still belong to) is ethnic Albanian so Serbs in Montenegro have more rights than you have).
Which wars did Serbia loose? Most of them ended with peace agreements signed by all parties. If you can not accept this it is no wonder that you feel like you have "won" "something". Serbia should also act completely in its own self interest and for its own people. Forget about brotherhood, long time friendship, loyalty and trust. And you know what, we Serbs will come back stronger, better, meaner and more determined than ever before. Enjoy your little party while it lasts.
time for a reality check and a quick history lesson for some albanians that dont know better...
Kosovo was never occupied by Srbija. albanians make up 90% of population only after ethnicly cleansing Serbs for centuries. This is the truth, and sorry to break it to you, but albanians have never been allies with Serbs or Montenegrins. Its amazing how you can claim that we were allies when the whole world knows that albanians sided with turks and nazi's. Give me a break, you cant change who you are and what your history is, as much as you want to! Montenegro gave in to the British, American, and German demands which is sickening but dont worry, those countries will get whats coming to them and that is evident today. Long live Russia and Mother Serbia! Kosovo je Srbija!
>>> "since throughout their history Montenegrins have fought against the Turks and, together with Serbia, liberated Kosovo from the Turkish and Albanian occupation".
What Mark said before. Plus, history is not part of Serbia's curriculum I guess. When Montengrins fought against Turks most of the time they fought alongside with Albanian tribes: Hoti, Gruda, Kastrati, Kuchi, Piperaj, Shkreli, Kelmendi...long before 1912. When Russia started to make waves in the Balkans, that's when MN back stabbed us.
You really liberated it from Albanian occupation. Oh Wait, Albanians are the indigenous people largely chased to the mountains by the Slav. We call it occupation!
The Serbs "liberated" an area full of 90% Albanians, who had been living there since before the Serbs even existed as a people and began to conquer the territory in the 13th century?
I suppose it was the Albanians who fought in Kosovo against the Turks in 1389.
The only time Albanians have become a majority is just after WW2 and that's due to Tito's anti Serbian stance there.
Then after that it was all the ethnic cleansing which has happened over decades since WW2 and finally the expulsion of Serbs from Kosovo under the watchtful eye of NATO.
Albanians have a lot to be ashamed of.
Serbs settled in the Balkans. They didn't occupy like you want all to believe. If you want to point fingers at anyone, point them at the US who have taken the land from the Indians by force. Sort of what you are doing in Kosovo now. I can see why the US is backing you. They are guilty of land grab too.
"Dačić added that a revision of the epic Montenegrin poetry might be in order, to reconsider the notions of heroism and strength of character, "since throughout their history Montenegrins have fought against the Turks and, together with Serbia, liberated Kosovo from the Turkish and Albanian occupation"."
Ladies and gentlemen, this is what Interior Minister of Tadic and Jeremic governemnt calls K-Albanians.
OCCUPIERS!!
Ladies and Gentlemen of ICJ, do you see it now why K-Independence is in accordance with int law?
>> I suppose it was the Albanians who fought in Kosovo against the Turks in 1389.
Actually Albanians fought in 1389 alongside Lazar. Of course Albanians fought the Turks under Scanderbeg and won 13 times (beat two Sultans)
>> The only time Albanians have become a majority is just after WW2 and that's due to Tito's anti Serbian stance there."
WRONG! The 1920's settlers were not allowed to return, but the reason Serbia started the colonization is because Albanians were a majority. Even Serbs admit this much. In 1912, Albanians made 75% as per Serbian governmental sources (no guesses by travelers). http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/26/kosovo.serbia
After WWII the numbers returned to what they were before the colonization.
You should read about Dusan's Code where he mentions Albanians (the 'heretics'). It explains why Albanians had to go to the mountains.
I am happy for the montenegrian gov that made such a nice and smart decision and recognized the independence of kosova
now montenegro is going toward the
eu good luck montenegro!
Serbia is trying all the possibility to bring back kosovos Decleration of Independence but its not gonna ever happen its done once and for ever .
Good Luck Montenegro :)
Remember 1443 at Lezha National Convention where prict of Montenegro at the time join Albanian tribes to fight together agains turkish. I m glad todays govermnet has shown that they want to live in peace and harmony with albanians as once in middle ages.
@9Dashnori & Ceces, I have checked the link you provided and The Guardian is hardly a Serbian source.
Can you please pic another unbiased source?
What can I say about your whole reply to me but you are wrong on all counts.
Trying to rewrite history won't pay off. We all know exactly what the truth is. The fact that you can't accept it is your problem.
BTW, have you seen that documentary called "Stolen Kosovo"? I suppose you will label that as Serbian propaganda too, but sadly for you it wasn't done by the Serbs.
'Serbs settled in the Balkans. They didn't occupy like you want all to believe. If you want to point fingers at anyone, point them at the US who have taken the land from the Indians by force. Sort of what you are doing in Kosovo now. I can see why the US is backing you. They are guilty of land grab too.' - Peggy'
At least directly or inderectly you accept that Albanian have always forever lived in Ballkans and it was Serbs that came to live there.
Time to invite russian peacekeepers in the Mitrovica district and for RS to hold a referendum and stop messing around. Serbia should also file lawsuits like Kostunica wanted, that is a smart move.
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