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Thursday, 09.10.2008.

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Montenegro, Macedonia recognize Kosovo

Montenegrin and Macedonian governments on Thursday decided to recognize the Kosovo Albanians' unilateral declaration of independence.

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Stutor

pre 15 godina

Milo returned to power in quite other reasons. One who rules the energy of state governments. Montenegrin struggle for power has yet to be. In this war will be a lot of battles. Djukanovic is the only soldier who should lead to the end. This Montenegro will lose their sovereignty forever.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 15 godina

ts better to be Americas puppet, than Serbias/Russias King.
(Preniqi, 11 October 2008 17:09)

In an ideal world all states would be independent and express full sovereignty over their lands, peoples and borders. However as you have seen (unless you live under a rock) the US is bankrupt, all $10 trillion of it and its influence is waning - fast, thanks to Iraq, Afghanistan and the global credit crunch.

I'd say it must be getting pretty crowded under that rock.

Gojko

pre 15 godina

I can't wait to see who's going to be next?
What would serbian people say if Greece recognises Kosovo? Would they kick their ambassador out of Serbia? I don't think so.
(Albanian, 11 October 2008 09:09)

Greece already recognized Kosovo as did Romania! Once a country accepTS Kosovo's passports then they informally recognized. The rest is just a formality!


(Dan, Pancevo, 11 October 2008 03:00)

America is not looking for a greater Albania. I promise you that. To America all three of those countries are the same and are puppets for the US AND EU. USA will support Montenegro's and Macedonia's territorial integrity.

Serbia= Russia
Croatia= Ukraine
Slovenia= Georgia
Bosnia= Lithuania
etc....
Get the picture. Serbia is the "bad guy" just like Russia. The rest are puppets I am sorry what I meant to see is that they are allies to the USA. I just wonder what will happen to Montenegro's and Russia's relationship.

Albanian

pre 15 godina

I can't wait to see who's going to be next?
What would serbian people say if Greece recognises Kosovo? Would they kick their ambassador out of Serbia? I don't think so.

nik

pre 15 godina

Steve:"Deep inside, Macedonians and Serbians are very close friends, almost brothers"

May be it is true for people like you who really hate their roots, break the memorial plate of Mara Buneva and try to erase the Ohrid uprising of 1913 when both Bulgarian and Albanian rebels defied the Serbian occupator. from the history books. It is sorry to say that you live in an Yugoslavian dream world where the secular "Macedonist" pseudoreligion was created. Well it is time to wake up and see the real world. No serious historian will ever "recognize" the existing of a Macedonian ethnicity before the 1930's, you will go through a humiliating procedure if having to change your name. You alienated your real friends, now your ostensive friends will impose sanctions on you.

Dan, Pancevo

pre 15 godina

Montenegro (1/3), Macedonia (1/2) and Kosovo (2/3) will be part of a greater ALbania. I forgot to mention, part of Greece and part of Presevo Valley. Realistically that will happen - the U.S. will push for it...and than there will be an Albanian federation or Dardania. Than the Montenegrins, Macedonians, Greeks and Serbs will wake up - though in another land (by American force - which won't last much longer though...each day they get weaker and weaker). Its sad Yugoslavia failed and it had to come to this crap. We let ourselves be divided and conquered. Divided and ruled, and in the end divided and fooled. I just hope the Russian bear wakes up out of hibernation and returns to the Balkans as a protector of real peace and security. Pipe dreams.

hoshie

pre 15 godina

Hello All,

Before I begin, let me thank B92 for the having the news on the region in english. The coverage here is better than most of the news outlets here in the US who dumb-down and confuse everything.

As for Montenegro's and FYR Macedonia's recognition of Kosovo, is anyone surprised? These folks want to be in the EU and NATO and to be in the club you have to play by the rules. As for Montenegro, I see this as part of a trend. This is the Montenegro that met with the West during the events of 1999 and replaced the dinar with the German mark during the same time period.

As for the the Kosovo issue in general, I agree with what has happened so far due to the fact the majority wanted it. However my happiness is muted by the lack of an agreement on both sides on the issue.

Igor

pre 15 godina

I am sorry Macedonia recognized Kosovo and legalized a decision which directly goes against International Law.

And I sit here and I read all of the comments about how we stabbed you in the back, how we never took Serbia's interests into consideration, and how we committed treason to the Slavic cause. However, I cannot help but wonder where Serbia has been in the past 17 years on the international scene and why has the Serbian state done nothing to defend and support the interests of Macedonia. For 17 long, long years you have sat and done absolutely nothing as you watched Greece bully and humiliate Macedonia every single time the chance presented itself. In 1991 you threatened to bomb us, in 1999 you again threatened to bomb us.
Please, let's not pretend to be the closest of friends. In politics there are no closest of friends, just interests. The Serbian state has followed its own interests through out this period and the difference now is that Macedonia decided to do the same. So, why cry foul now?

lee coleman

pre 15 godina

just a quick note to adam . nobody takes russia seriously ? as an englishman and londoner at that we take russia very seriously thank you . they may not change anything for serbia or on the kosovo issue itself , but before you make such sweeping statments please consider that russia will probably become the most important region for europe and indeed the northern hemispere in the next 10-20 years . unless you intend to fuel your car and heat your home with goats milk or potatoes i suggest you do a little research .

Obvious

pre 15 godina

Nothing suprising here, it was to be expected. I'm not suprised theat the K-ALbanians are jumping for joy. The delusion of independence lasts another day. I don't see any reason for the Serbs to be upset either. This is not the Montenegrin people but a rogue government. Keep your heads cool- the struggle will last a long time and if Serbs cant have Kosovo neither will the Albanians.

Branislav

pre 15 godina

When Montenegro decided to Separate from Serbia, that was explained as their need for independence - although that move acctualy started after Empire(i.e.US) suggested it will be supportive - to dismantle FR Yugoslavia under Milosevic. Many people then thought it is too small to be duly independent.
And we see - after this recognition - and after many "hints" that they will be recognizing Kosovo UDI- because of "pressure", that their politicians really just follow diktat, that is don't act in an independent manner.
Introduction to that move was a statement that Montenegro - "doesn't have the right to ignore reality". Amazing is that the move came just after UN agreed (in significant number) to go for requested opinion for ICJ. Was the "pressure" realty so unbearable - that "inevitable reality" couldn't have been postponed for few more days after that - or is it more true that Montenegro "yieldied very reluctantly" on behest of Empire -at this time,just to lessen it's obvious (and just) defeat in UN?
It just shows how policy should be made by "good disciples" of Empire.

Arte

pre 15 godina

I think this was going to hapen independetly of Serbian threats to it neighbours, any how. It is an historical, although overdue decision, by Montenegro and Macedonia, who are now joining the western European family decision earlier this year. What? Did you think it was going to be any different? Mantenegro and Macedonia are not any longer under the shadows of Serbia like in the past. They can't be any longer in discordance with the current reality of the Balkans. I this is a very good news for West Balkans in general. Kosova will definitely be a good responsible partner. What do you wait Serbia? When will you recognise Kosova?
Arte

Steve

pre 15 godina

The reason Macedonia recognized Kosovo is not because they really believe it is Albanian, but because they need American support over the name issue and this way they have secured trust.

Deep inside, Macedonians and Serbians are very close friends, almost brothers, and the educated Serbs understand that the Macedonians have alot of Albanians willing to start trouble like they did in 2001 in Macedonia, and many times in Serbia.

Montenegro, it hurts even more because they are Serbs, I understand.

Kosovo will always be the heart of Serbia, the west thought that if you kill Kosovo, you will kill all Serbs, but they are so wrong. You can kill the heart of Serbia, but you can't kill Serbia in the hearts of Serbs.

God Bless Serbia

MACEDONIA IS MACEDONIAN
KOSOVO IS SERBIAN

Aleks

pre 15 godina

"Serbia will have to cooperate if they want to get EU funds. No force will be used obviously."

I sometimes wonder if our dear commenters actually read the news at all or just stick to the information they like.

B92 itself reported on 29 September that Serbia will receive 584 million euros from the EU until 2010:
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=09&dd=29&nav_id=53845

Or 771 million euro since 2007 to 2010:
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/business-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=07&dd=13&nav_id=42413

Duh!

Alban

pre 15 godina

>>> "When Macedonia cedes more of its territorial integrity and constitution to the Albanians and becomes a federal state/confederation - and it will one day (see the population growth/demographic numbers, before making any lame comments) Serbia should be the first to recogzine it. That would be payback part one."


Dragan, Albanians are very peaceful people. Patient, but peaceful. There is no need to divide FYROM today or tomorrow. Maybe when FYROM has less SlavMacedonians they might join an Albanian federation, Albanian is already an official language and FYROM-ans will probably start to learn it very soon. Albanians at most will reach 50% in FYROM and then it will slow down, unless Kosovars run out of space and get an invitation. (Fyrom has a lot more land than Kosova) But either way there will be peace in the Balkans.

louie

pre 15 godina

What a Great News!!!
After Portugal,we have Crna Gora and later Makedonija!

We just have scored a hatrick!

It is becoming one of the most exciting weeks for us Albanians!

Matthew,I know you are a busy man,but I would like to thank you and Crna Gora for showing guts to except the reality!

It is not about who loves who,it is about the reality which is hard to except!

Kosovan Albanians live in Europe and they should be treated like Europians!!!

Give Peace a Chance,Give Kosovo a Chance!!!

Gezuar and Ziveli!!!

Dragan, Toronto

pre 15 godina

When Macedonia cedes more of its territorial integrity and constitution to the Albanians and becomes a federal state/confederation - and it will one day (see the population growth/demographic numbers, before making any lame comments) Serbia should be the first to recogzine it. That would be payback part one.

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 15 godina

In another tread, on 9 October 2008 20:58, Canadian wrote:

"Both Montenegro and Macedonia are fully aware how foolish not to mention dangerous it would be to recognize Kosovo now, especially after the USA and UK suffered such a humiliating defeat to Serbia yesterday at the UN."

And he continued with:

"Serbia will not react to Either Montenegro or Macedonia like they did with Croatia and Slovenia if they decide to recognize Kosovo. And the USA and UK are near bankrupt, so their influence is not what it use to be and won't be at least for 5 or 6 years maybe longer in the US case is McCain wins."

In light of the recent announcements from Montenegro and Macedonia, would it then be fair to say that they are brave fools?

Btw - a couple of days ago, I made a post here

http://tinyurl.com/4dujr8

about how time will show who is wrong, and who is right.

Mr. Canadian post above confirms my view, that letting time run is much more efficient at debunking radical and nationalists view than me posting here every 2 hours.
--

Zoran

pre 15 godina

"only Bosnia left now what will serbia do now

threaten more countries where are all those guys who say Macedonia and Montenegro won't recognize Kosova

and all you have to say is USA is pressure on other countries to do so

it means that USA is stronger then Russia because they cant prevent other countries to recognize Kosova

hvala makedonia i crna gora
(Kosovar, 10 October 2008 00:05)"

When Bosnia (Muslim part) says yes Republika Srpska will be gone next hour and nothing that the EU, US and NATO can do about that. In fact, I believe that the next Balkan war (and only God knows what else may happen) will again start there and considering many current world affairs that are starting to hurt your US and EU masters more (which eventually will lead them to drop financial aid to many puppet regimes) that is something that the west cannot handle.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

To Ataman 
You claim that you have no Serbian heritage! You come accross as very consumed with serbian claim of Kosova. Actually, you go to great lengths and pains to defend the Serbian propaganda about Kosova.
(KASTRIOTI, 9 October 2008 20:58)

Roberto and me started from same platform, but came to different conclusions. Like Roberto is not Albanian, I am not a Serb either. Simple. But unlike Roberto I am not very eager to tell much about my person. I don't see here any readiness to make even a truce. Also this is basically a Serbian site. I do not feel, it is kosher for me to go to Koha Ditore and write bunch of nonsense there just to make Albanians angry.

Dashnori i Ceces

pre 15 godina

>>> "1. Will get Pristina any closer to controlling the north

Serbia will have to cooperate if they want to get EU funds. No force will be used obviously.

>> 2. Will get Pristina to control the enclaves

The enclaves are nto connected to Serbia proper, most want to cooperate (because they have to) but Serbian Gov is making it harder. Eventually they have to integrate and start looking for jobs in Kosova.

>> 3. Will reduce Pristina's utter dependency on international economic handouts

100% of the budget is from taxes and fees. EU and others are helping of course but it's not billions a year. EU is also helping Serbia, Albania etc

Gojko

pre 15 godina

Serbia:

Is the only country in the Balkans and maybe on the whole planet that has courage and can stand up to what it believes in.

I would rather be in Serbia's position where there territorail integrity is being stolen rather than being a puppet state that will be treated like slaves.

Long live Serbia and Serbs around the world. We are the most courageous people.

Aleks

pre 15 godina

It's amazing what the promise of EU candidate status will bring. We will see in the next few days or weeks what the big EU countries have promised the Montengro that is run by Djukanovic and his cronies and sold off to oligarchs.

I still fail to see what Djukanovic's support of Serbia at the UN for the ICJ was supposed to serve? Did he honestly think that it would upset the Serbs less? Still, he knows who his sugar daddy is.

As for Macedonia, it will be interesting to see if the name dispute with Greece is solved soon too.

Will these recognitions sway any of those states who have still not 'recognized' Kosovo? It is unlikely as the core issue remains - states with potential/restive minorities still face this risk regardless.

One for the Kosovo albanians out there, do any of you think you will join the EU before Serbia?

Kosovar

pre 15 godina

only Bosnia left now what will serbia do now

threaten more countries where are all those guys who say Macedonia and Montenegro won't recognize Kosova

and all you have to say is USA is pressure on other countries to do so

it means that USA is stronger then Russia because they cant prevent other countries to recognize Kosova

hvala makedonia i crna gora

Dan, Pancevo

pre 15 godina

I find this a very sad day. I can't believe that Macedonia and Montenegro recognized the self-proclaimed republic of Kosovo, after the UN vote. Being a once Yugoslav from Panecevo, who mixed background (read: Serbian, Slovakian and Hungarian)I feel ashamed and humiliated by the 2 countries decisions. It truly is unforgiveable, considering all the Serbs that have been expelled and have no voice in this artifical American colony on European territory. As much of a wound in the heart this will leave, I'm sure the the other Serbian families from Kosovo will think more. P.S. and don't give us this rubbish about
i) European path, integrations, regional stability etc.
Thats all crap from Washington you're all regurgitating. You've created a more unstable part in Europe and created animosities between once brothers. This wound will never heal, nor will it be forgotten.

Mike

pre 15 godina

So now Macedonia recognized as well - as if any of us had any surprise there, particularly after CG. At least they can say "well, all the other ex-YU countries did it."

Same thing though that I mentioned after CG: at this point, this is largely symbolic. None of these recognitions - in fact NO recognition other than Albania's - have come with a statement validating Albanian history, historical entitlement, or the Albanian people there. It has always been done "in the name of regional stability" or "the way the winds are blowing" or whatever, and often with heels dragging and excuses being made. It's something when international recognition needs to come from pressure by outside powers and interests doing K-Albanian's work.

People need to realize that a recognition is NOT a pat on the back for the KLA and slap in the face for St. Sava. Far from it. Aside from Albania, no one cares. No one cares who did what to whoever at whatever time. Many Albanians here actually think these recognitions mean the people of the world stand with them. Sorry to say that's not true. Most people don't know where Kosovo is, and don't care to know. Those who disagree with me, I challenge them to prove otherwise.

There is no doubt my mind that these two recognitions were a result of international pressure and enticement. Djukanovic is from the same school as Milosevic. Slobo would have recognized Kosovo and shook hands with Thaci if it paid off for him - Milo is no different.

At the end of the day, Kosovo has three more recognitions in the last 24 hours bringing it to a nice fat 50, but at the same time, none of these recognitions:

1. Will get Pristina any closer to controlling the north

2. Will get Pristina to control the enclaves

3. Will reduce Pristina's utter dependency on international economic handouts

4. Will reduce the rampant corruption in politics

and

5. Stop a debate from taking place at the ICJ

Dashnori i Ceces

pre 15 godina

>>> When will Albania join the EU? Probably in 2050 or even later. You Albanians will have to wait many years to become citizens of the EU.


Mircea, if we steal billions in EU money like you and Bulgaria we can be ready in 2 years.

By the way: THANK YOU. Albanians had a horrible reputation in Italy...until the Romanians (you know, the EU members) got there. Now we're seen as angels.

Afrim Hoxha

pre 15 godina

Thanks Montenegro, Thanks Macedonia.
We are happy that our two slavic neighbors have accepted the new reality.
Who cares what isolated Cuba has to say as far as we are good with neighbors while Serbia has bitter relation with every neighbors.

Korab

pre 15 godina

MIRCEA,

"You Albanians will have to wait many years to become citizens of the EU."

TODAY Mr.Oli Rehn was in Prishtina and signed 123 milion euro EU support to
KOSOVA and acces to Structural funds.

On the other hand why ROMANIANS are deported from ITALY while you consider yourself EU ????

Kosovar

pre 15 godina

I hope by this news, Serbian citizens understand that Kosovo deserves independence. I don't expect Vuk Jeremic to understand that, but I expect Serbian citizens because they are the future of Serbia and not Vuk Jeremic. Serbian Government has always used propaganda as a mechanism to blind its citizens. I have friends from Serbia who never believed that Kosovo is the way it is. They thought that there are only ugly, old people, very underdeveloped, etc. This was all thanks to Serbian TVs which presented Kosovo to be like that, and never the truth.

Sincerely I want all Serbs to think that when your brothers recognize us, what do you expect from ICJ? There has never been a better chance for Serbia to join EU and prosper and I hope they will choose that direction instead of Kosovo.

Mark (Shqype)

pre 15 godina

Macedonia has committed itself to peace and stability in the Balkans. It has recognized the reality of Kosovar independence. It's time for the Serbs to accept the reality as well!

Bright sky

pre 15 godina

Very COLD shower for Jeremic & co, only a day after the so called 'victory' at the UN.

Do you still believe on negotiations on Kosovo status?

Silly fairytales still popular in Serbia.

Adrian Gashi

pre 15 godina

Montenegro was probably equally pressured by the West and Serbia, and apparently the West has a stronger pull on Montenegro than Serbia does. I find it ironic that the day that Serbia decides to send back its ambassador to Tirana, it pulls the ambassador from Podgorica.
The reason why Serbia is generally detested among the people in the region is that the only means it uses in dealing with neighbors is a whip lash across the face for whomever doesn't want to budge to Belgrade's bullying. But if today's recognitions of Kosova from Montenegro and Macedonia have any symbolic significance that would be that it marks a new low in the trend of Serbia's diminishing influence in the region.

Mark (Shqype)

pre 15 godina

Come on B92, hurry up! Macedonia has just recognized the independence of Kosova, and I'm waiting for you to post the splendid news.

Montenegro and Macedonia have recognized the reality of Kosovar independence on the same day. Thank you both!

Chicagoan

pre 15 godina

Well, this is what called "effective diplomacy" after Serbian resolution had passed, Jeremic before arriving home gets a cold shower from their first neighbor! Kosovo independence is a reality that Serbs should live with, and not getting manipulated by politicians, who made atrocities in their name. Thanks Montenegro!!!

Florin

pre 15 godina

To Mircea

You claim that you are Romanian. And you seem really proud that you are in the EU. I invite you to go out and ask people in Italy, England, and Spain about how they feel that Romania is in the EU. I promise you that they will use the most vile epithets to describe your people. As of today, according to opinion polls in the above mentioned countries, Romanians present the number one criminal element, which includes petty thieves as well as more sinister criminal enterprises. Stop gloating please!

ben

pre 15 godina

Kosova was EQUAL AMONG EQUALS- this is what ALL ex- YUGO states say when teh recognise Kosova.

This is our ICJ rule- this is a HUGE MORAL victory for the oppressed KOSOVA.

Benny

pre 15 godina

Macedonia Adopts Kosovo independence resoluti9on with 85 votes for independence, 1 against and 15 abstentions.

Done deal. I can finally see in the not too distant future a more stabilizing Balkan which together will look forward and become economically viable as this will herald real investments and innovations in the region. Finally.

Observer

pre 15 godina

Montenegro as an independent nation has the right to recognize whom it wishes. I simply can’t see why Serbia is so shocked by this decision. Hungary, Croatia, Slovenia, Bulgaria, Albania they all recognized Kosovo. Serbia was not so surprised when they did it so I don’t understand all commotion. Reading through the post one could clearly get an impression that both the PM and the president of Montenegro are dictators and not elected by the people of Montenegro. As far as I am aware Montenegro held fair and free elections. If it was up to some posters in this site they would have Montenegro wage a war in Kosovo. Thank god those times over and new era of cooperation has begun.

Thank you, Montenegro. Thank you, people of Montenegro.

Albion, New York

pre 15 godina

Hvala Crna Gora.
I spent a lot of time in Herceg Novi, a long time a go, 1980's. I was liked as Albanian there, i think because we and Montenegrins share mutual origins. They have typical Albanian physionomy.
Hvala jos jednom Crna Gora, vecna nek vam je slava.

Benny

pre 15 godina

Macedonia has essentially recognized Kosovo as well according to Macedonia's A1 news. The ruling party VMRO has supported the resolution of the Albanian parties for recognition of Kosovo. It looks like a done deal, only waiting for the formality.

ben

pre 15 godina

The recognition of Kosova by Montenegro is the Montenegrin SECOND declaration of INDEPENCE from Serbia.

Serbs that believe that Montenegrins will turn against their Gov.t DELIBERATELY forget:

1. that the decision was UNANIMOUSLY voted in the Gov.t and
2. that Montenegrins are very proud and will not allow to be blackmailed by Serbia and the pro-Serbian factor in Montenegro- any pro-Serbian action in Montenegro will only homogenise the Montenegrins around their Gov.t

After all- I presume Monetengrians have reckoned: why we should not recognise Kosova- because presumably is the cradle of the Serbian nation- BUT Serbs themselves through their PRESIDENT of the Republic say that they ARE HAPPY to divide the land of their cradle and soul.

Albanian

pre 15 godina

THANK YOU MONTENEGRO!!

This is a real proof that Montenegro is looking west. Now let's wait for Macedonia.

I've got a feeling that is going to be a hot topic this one.

Mark (Shqype)

pre 15 godina

I am very pleased that Montenegro has made the right move in recognizing the reality of Kosova's independence to ensure peace and stability in the region.

Serbia tried to threaten Montenegro, and soon learned that they don't take well to being threatened.

Montenegrins and Serbs are two different peoples. Montenegrins have Albanian ancestry with a Slavic culture that they got from the Serbs, but they have their own identity and the Serbs must realize they will not bow to Serbia's wishes!

Both of my parents were born in the Albanian sections of Montenegro and they are also pleased with the decision. I've long been skeptical of Montenegro's normalization with the Albanians, especially after the wrongful imprisonment of the Albanian political prisoners, but this is a good move in the right direction and I'm grateful for it.

Thanks, Montenegro!

Ylli Billa

pre 15 godina

This is a smart moove from Montenegro. Montenegreens as descendants of Ilyrians (same as Kosovars are) has the right to recognize their new neighbour. Kosovo is going on his way to Europe same as all balkan countries are, so why do we have to loose time with such a stupid things, to who belongs Kosovo? of course it belongs to people who live there. If who have to look at the history we have to change the whole world (even Serbs has to go to Russia) but we can't do that, because we live in 21 century.

Bryan

pre 15 godina

Hello,

Disgraceful. Montenegro is one of many puppet/pon nations that have been cohersed by the USA in recognizing KOSOVO. This has nothing to do with Montenegro. What boggles my mind is that all these countries are recognizing Kosovo's illegal declaration of Independance while fully being aware that the gov't offcials in charge of KOSOVO'S gov't have close ties to AL Quada and Bin Laden. Do people forget what happened in New York City on 911? The Serbs are fighting to protect their land in Kosovo from Kosovo Albanians that are linked to Al Qauda and Osama Bin Laden. Its a shame that the Serbs have been branded in such a horrific manner. The funny thing is that the US, UK, France, Germany etc...know that the Serbs are good people but these super power countries have decided to side with the Bosnians, Croats, and Albanians. These super power countries offered these countries everything in order to occupy their lands by building Army bases on their land. These bases in the long run will help shift the power balance in the balkans. The above countries have sold their souls while the Serbs are a proud nation and will continue to fight unjustice.

Mike

pre 15 godina

This is indeed an unfortunate setback, but I'm not all that worried about it.

First, I know this has little to do with validating Albanian self determination, Albanian historical memory, or any sense of Albanian historical entitlement to Kosovo. It has everything to do with pleasing the EU and the US.

Second, Montenegro's recognition may appear to invalidate its GA vote yesterday. Actually, it kind of makes sense. For one, CG realizes that as a political issue, Kosovo can't be under BG anymore. Regardless of an ICJ ruling, very few people can seriously say that Kosovo's separation from Serbia is reversible. So in this respect, CG is basically accepting the "realities on the ground"

BUT - and here's where Serbia stands to benefit.

Montenegro, in efforts to smooth things over the BG will probably be supportive of any compromise deal that is in the works between BG and Pristina. Recognizing an entity is one thing. Recognizing the legitimate sovereign authority is quite another, and I'd bet that many states that have already recognized, would be equally willing to reconsider the internal dynamics of Kosovo's political system, especially in regards to the K-Serbs.

No doubt the Albanians are jumping for joy at this overly symbolic victory, and no doubt many Serbs are saying that Njgeos must be spinning in his grave. I'm not interested in getting into a nationalist back and forth over this. What I do know is that with an ICJ case in the works, Montenegro, Macedonia, hell, even Greece, can recognize, but that has absolutely no bearing on the internal dynamics and political configurations of Kosovo's future.

At the end of the week, Serbia, in my opinion, still comes out with a gain. CG's recognition is a symbolic victory for the Albanians. A positive GA vote and impending ICJ case is a long term strategic victory.

genc

pre 15 godina

Mircea,

having I spent so much time in Romania to have a good notion of what it is like and being you Romanian, your comment is double shameless and ridiculous.

Anyway, if you visit Italy don't say it loud what is your nationality, even if it is an EU one.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

This is a real proof that Montenegro is looking west.
(Albanian, 9 October 2008 20:06)

Montenegro does not look either west or east. It's where it is (for the time being) and as a country it does not have ears, eyes to look.

As for "milo" - he is the most who can be associated with milosevic on the Balkans today. So why would somebody who was the right hand of milosevic recognize Kosovo? Because milosevic would do the same. Crooks have no principles and both are crooks.

He will suffer probably the same fate: die in prison. He has certainly some difficult issues.

Ultimately a maffiosi and milosevicist did recognize an entity led by marxist-leninist gangsters.

What is wrong with that? I only cross my fingers, there won't be any violence and more trouble. Good relationship between Serbian government and Montenegrin government is probably will suffer. Very unwise move given the low number of possibilities for Montenegrins to work outside of tourism branch.

KASTRIOTI

pre 15 godina

To Ataman
You claim that you have no Serbian heritage! You come accross as very consumed with serbian claim of Kosova. Actually, you go to great lengths and pains to defend the Serbian propaganda about Kosova.
You ignore the realities that Kosova has been and is a place inhabited predominantly by Albanians. You also ignore the facts that the reason why Serbia occupied Kosova for the last 100 years is due to the West awarding Kosova to serbs (a christian nation and a russian ally)after the fall of Turkish empire. So Albanians (predominantly muslim) were seen as pro-turk which is anything but true for the time and therefore their land should be given to Serbia.
The facts are that after 100 years of inhumane and assimilative serb rule over Kosova, the West realized that they have done the wrong thing. Actually, they realized that Albanians (once sacrifized) were the most loyal pro-western allies in the balkans and that Serbs are in fact looking to the East (Rusia, China,..).
Serbs assured the world that they can not hang on to their awarded lands because they had a weakness for ethnic cleansing and destruction.

It is ironic that as an Albanian I have a hope that serbs would change their course of violating their neigbhors, bullying the minorities and other action that they displayed in the most recent wars in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosova.
I hope that honest serbs would wake up and take over their destiny punish those who comited crimes on their name. Most importantly, I hope for a sound and a stable neigbhoring country to Kosova. Monte Negro and Macedonia are going to be good examples.
Quite honestly, your proserbian show is not really beneficial to the serbs or anyone else. Unless you suppose that 2 milion Albanians in Kosova should vanish through thin air, you cheering is one sided, unreasonable, unatainable and simply biased and nationalistic.

Thank you Monte Negra, awaiting for Serbia...

Ratko, UK

pre 15 godina

Well...the utter greed of the Crna Gora government has come! Obviously faced with exclusion form big money pot they have succumbed to the US, German and other EU nations in recognising Kosovo. This disgraceful act is not about stability it is quite simply all about GREED. May the Crna Gora government and the people that elected them hang their heads in shame!

along with other weak nations, the government of Crna Gora has succumbed to greed.

These weak governments will never learn - it's not about stability....it's about money - the weak US dollar that will now be invested in your region, but will ultimately drive your brothers and sisters away.

Dashnori i Ceces

pre 15 godina

Thank you Montenegro.

A small payback for having stolen much of our land and backstabbing the Malesore neighbors who fought with you for 500 years only to be attacked by Montenegrins in 1912-1918.

Dane

pre 15 godina

Simply:

THANK YOU MONTENEGROOO!!!

Kosovo was so happy in a day when you declared your independence. It is good that Kosovo and Montenegro can share at least good experiences and moments and look together towards future. Thanks once again...

Mircea

pre 15 godina

Dashnori i Ceces,

When will Albania join the EU? Probably in 2050 or even later. You Albanians will have to wait many years to become citizens of the EU.

ZK BG

pre 15 godina

Ahh, finally the Montenegrin government has succumbed to US pressure and completely disgraced the nation.

I was always wondering which country will be the first to revoke recognition and now I know the answer.

Now lets wait and see the predictable media portray the protesters as violent football hooligans. Lets see if this really is about regional stability.

dave (UK)

pre 15 godina

As someone who is western and supports a democratic vote then if it is decided right or wrong for Montenegro to recognise Kosovo Albanian independence then that is there right, however as a supporter of democracy i fully support the ICJ move by Serbia. The recognition of Kosovo not voted on at the UN is anti-democratic.

If Serbia wishes to use non military efforts against those who recognise Kosovo then its Serbias right to.

I do think they have been blackmailed by the west, no recognition means no EU or money. I am not sure on the ethnic make up of Montenegro but they have given the green light to there minorities to form ethnic states of there own, maybe Albanians there will try to join Kosovo.

I woulld say to any Balkan state looking to join the EU as a meal ticket the funds have dried up. The UK gave Kosovo 17m recently and this was NOT reported in our press, there would be a national out cry if the public knew.

Well done to Serbia on the ICJ

Dragan

pre 15 godina

Pathetic and unbelievable. In my opinion, Milo will go down in infamy as the biggest traitor of the Montenegrin people - just you waint and see. Some people have no pride, and no shame.

lids

pre 15 godina

Why didn`t Milo just take albanian citizenship and save us all embarasment of today.This was not done in my or my Serbian brothers names.
Shame on you Podgorica

Benny

pre 15 godina

A true prediction hehe.

It was obvious though and everyone knew it, even those that did not want to believe it, knew it deep down inside that this was going to happen.

It is good for the region in my opinion. This decision does stabilize the Balkans tremendously.

Berkeley

pre 15 godina

The only thing what surprises me that there are still some people who are surprised about this move. However, when I think carefully, then I'm actually not surprised.

Anyway, another proof that bilateral recognition realize only on states itself. It would be anyway strange when other can dictate this process. Montenegro has made a good decision. It is the decision of future and stabilization in this region.

kufr

pre 15 godina

This is interesting. I think the people of Montenegro should take the streets to say what they think about this decision. The Serbian state should also think twice about that recognition of Montenegro and it's borders from two years ago. If Montenegro can't respect the borders of Serbia, why should Serbia respect the borders of Montenegro?

AJ Canada

pre 15 godina

Thank you Montenegro, we love you! The same regards I will be sending to Macedonia as well!
In my opinion, Serbia has help speed up the process, cuz all they can say: "we did a favor for you to the resolution, now we want to do the same for Kosovo people". So you didn't loose. it's 1:1. The only thing is that if the number of states increases to the desireable number then it will be a total lose of Serbia but it was engineered to happen.

Gustave

pre 15 godina

Crna Gora just recognized Kosovo's Indipendence. Mr Jeremic's diplomatic "victory" is turning to taste quite bitter.

Macedonia/FYROM is next. Of Serbia's neighbours only Romania remains.

Serbs' and their pan-slavic friends' enthusiasm was a short-lived one.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

Then you should say the same for those heading your nation
(miri, 9 October 2008 16:00)

I do say even worse. I wrote several times, but probably you did not noticed: the first time I ever visited the territory of Yugoslavia I was 19 year old and I a have no Serbian background, whatever you understand under the word "Serbian".


And please, don't put Tadic an d Rugova in the same sentence.
(miri, 9 October 2008 16:00)

I reserve my right to do so because it does not offend Tadic or Rugova. Both deserve respect, but both made mistakes. Who does not?

Otherwise, offensive tone will just result me to switching to certain mocking-cynical-sarcastic tone. Probably it is not what you like. Thanks!

predictor

pre 15 godina

Have these countries heard about UN GA resolution that was adopted yesterday???
People what is happening here only a day after the resolution is adopted??? As it looks now, we are going to have a flux of countries recognizing Kosova’s independence after the resolution has passed the UN GA door.
Ahaaaaa, so that was actually a barrier that prevented countries to recognize us!
Congratulation Serbia, you won, and you have should done this long time ago, and start miss-training your best lawyers, while we are proceeding on our path with the rest of the world.

miri

pre 15 godina

"Nope, just their crooks-in-charge. CG, FYROM - like every country - has it's own share of cigarette smugglers, self-hating crazymen. Djukanovic or gruevski did not battle nazis, ottomans and such. Look at their face compared with the face of Tadic or even Rugova - would you buy a used car from djukanovic or gruevski?

Ataman..."


Then you should say the same for those heading your nation, Tadic, Jeremic and co. Serbian people don't care about Kosova but these and only these people are trying to hang on the issue for their smuggling. That's what you're saying, right?

And please, don't put Tadic an d Rugova in the same sentence.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

The people who gave their sons and blood to fight the Ottamans and Nazis have now turned on their brothers and abandoned their grandfathers.
(Marko, 9 October 2008 14:11)

Nope, just their crooks-in-charge. CG, FYROM - like every country - has it's own share of cigarette smugglers, self-hating crazymen. Djukanovic or gruevski did not battle nazis, ottomans and such. Look at their face compared with the face of Tadic or even Rugova - would you buy a used car from djukanovic or gruevski?

Look up their bio, it tells you all.

Regardless, the debate is not over yet. Neither outcome is "victory" or "tragedy".

ICJ decision will take years by the way, probably your grandchildren will look for retirement at the time the decision will fall. To be safe, I would still postpone the decision well beyond Nov. 4, who knows, they may look silly next February.

Mike

pre 15 godina

I could see Macedonia's recognition on account of the Albanian minoirity bloc's constant threat of rioting and separatism in threatening a decision. As for CG, I wouldn't put anything past Milo trying to augment his own power and solidify his position with the EU. To him, it makes perfect sense mollifying Serbia by voting "yes" at the GA, and then turning around and recognizing to appease Brussels.

A recognition will NOT go down well on the streets of Podgorica. But at this point, both possible recognitions are more from EU pressure than actual Albanian sympathy.

Dashnori i Ceces

pre 15 godina

>> Why not wait until the ICJ make a decision on the legality of the UDI

It's called backfiring! Serbs thought that they are the smartest ones in the bunch to delay Kosova, and now EU is even more on Albanian side: Portugal said yes, Romania and Slovakia were forced to recognize passports and ALL your neighbors will soon say yes to Kosova. Now to our 'Islamic brothers' :) and then we can reach the 100 number. Watch for EU to say to Serbs 'Let's wait for the ICJ decisson regarding your SAA and Candidate Status'

Marko

pre 15 godina

In recognising the UDI, Macedonia and Montenegro recognise the dark shadow of the EU cast over the interests of their people and legacy. Never before, in their long proud tradition and histories, Montenegrans and Macedonians will find themselves on the wrong side of history. The people who gave their sons and blood to fight the Ottamans and Nazis have now turned on their brothers and abandoned their grandfathers.

Funcakes

pre 15 godina

Wow, what a blow for Serbia's "grand victory"...

Grand victory with 77 votes, some of which being recognizers. My guess is this is where the humiliation wave begins, where the countries that astained and have not recognized yet will finally declare their recognitions.

Let's start with traditional friend, turned USA-lover, Ukraine!

Benny

pre 15 godina

Very expected. As I wrote previously, this was essentially what Jeremic asked at least of the Montenegrin govt. in that article you guys had about him warning Montenegro. He essentially said do not recognize before the GA vote. As I wrote then, Montenegro appeased Serbia in that regard, they even voted in favor of their ICJ initiative, but it was expected that immediately after that they would recognize Kosovo. I said the next day, but it really doesn't matter if it is a day or a week.
Macedonia was always going to recognize, they just wanted to coordinate this better with Montenegro, but the Serbian govt. even stopped threatening Macedonia after a while and only concentrating on Montenegro.

But Serbia's initiative is not a total loss in my opinion. It will slow other nations that usually do not get mixed up in Balkan politics from recognizing too soon. They do have a chance now to have many other states to wait until the opinion of the ICJ, just not in the neighborhood.

Adam§

pre 15 godina

Here it comes. Recognition by our dear neighbours. Serbia you have lost the military battle and now you are losing the diplomatic one. Russia cannot help you anymore because they haved realise that nobody in the West take them seriosly. If Serbia take their side then nobody will take you seriosly also. The only way you have now is Eu-intergration and that can only happend when you have reconized Kosovo as an independent state. Internationall law is important but you have no right to that law. You want to keep Kosovo and you say that you are going to respect the rights of the albanians. Why diden't you do it in the 90's ?

If you speak long-term history Kosovo has allways belong to the albanians. Albanians lived there even before the serbian people came to light. Albanians lived there under the whole serbian occupation and the ottoman occupation also. If we talk close-term history albanians have been a majority in kosovo under the whole 19-century. Albanians was terrorised by the former serbian goverments and our right was not respected at all. We was second class citizens and the minority serbs in Kosovo ruled over us(the majority) with an ironhand. Now Serbia belives that it has the right to keep Kosovo. That right you have lost forever because we 2 million albanians in Kosovo will never let it happend again. Kosovo is not stolen from Serbia but has the right to be independent. One reson is that the land have allways belong to the citizens of kosovo(majority albanians). The other reason is because Serbia has no morally right to rule Kosovo with a population with a different etnicity.

Long live Kosovo and the people there. Albanians and Serbs.

Agim

pre 15 godina

So much for Serbia celebrating the win!
Basically what is happening is lots of smoke mirrors in serbia today, this so called make believe victory that serbian politicians are fooling their people into believing (It sound a lot like Milosevic when he signed the Kumanovo accord that he was actually claiming victory to serbian people & everyone was celebrating).

Looks like Monte Negro and Macedonia are going to spoil the serbian party.
What goes around comes around they say...

Srboslav

pre 15 godina

Njegos will turn around in his grave..

But this was expected, Tzar Milo could not expect that the italians would leave him out of indictiment without him having to make some kind of sacrifice...

Serb Allay

pre 15 godina

Why not wait until the ICJ make a decision on the legality of the UDI rather than put yourself in a shameful situation. hmmm i guessed you want to be add on the list of "dogs" of the WEST.

Bryan

pre 15 godina

Hello,

Disgraceful. Montenegro is one of many puppet/pon nations that have been cohersed by the USA in recognizing KOSOVO. This has nothing to do with Montenegro. What boggles my mind is that all these countries are recognizing Kosovo's illegal declaration of Independance while fully being aware that the gov't offcials in charge of KOSOVO'S gov't have close ties to AL Quada and Bin Laden. Do people forget what happened in New York City on 911? The Serbs are fighting to protect their land in Kosovo from Kosovo Albanians that are linked to Al Qauda and Osama Bin Laden. Its a shame that the Serbs have been branded in such a horrific manner. The funny thing is that the US, UK, France, Germany etc...know that the Serbs are good people but these super power countries have decided to side with the Bosnians, Croats, and Albanians. These super power countries offered these countries everything in order to occupy their lands by building Army bases on their land. These bases in the long run will help shift the power balance in the balkans. The above countries have sold their souls while the Serbs are a proud nation and will continue to fight unjustice.

Bright sky

pre 15 godina

Very COLD shower for Jeremic & co, only a day after the so called 'victory' at the UN.

Do you still believe on negotiations on Kosovo status?

Silly fairytales still popular in Serbia.

Agim

pre 15 godina

So much for Serbia celebrating the win!
Basically what is happening is lots of smoke mirrors in serbia today, this so called make believe victory that serbian politicians are fooling their people into believing (It sound a lot like Milosevic when he signed the Kumanovo accord that he was actually claiming victory to serbian people & everyone was celebrating).

Looks like Monte Negro and Macedonia are going to spoil the serbian party.
What goes around comes around they say...

Dragan

pre 15 godina

Pathetic and unbelievable. In my opinion, Milo will go down in infamy as the biggest traitor of the Montenegrin people - just you waint and see. Some people have no pride, and no shame.

Adam§

pre 15 godina

Here it comes. Recognition by our dear neighbours. Serbia you have lost the military battle and now you are losing the diplomatic one. Russia cannot help you anymore because they haved realise that nobody in the West take them seriosly. If Serbia take their side then nobody will take you seriosly also. The only way you have now is Eu-intergration and that can only happend when you have reconized Kosovo as an independent state. Internationall law is important but you have no right to that law. You want to keep Kosovo and you say that you are going to respect the rights of the albanians. Why diden't you do it in the 90's ?

If you speak long-term history Kosovo has allways belong to the albanians. Albanians lived there even before the serbian people came to light. Albanians lived there under the whole serbian occupation and the ottoman occupation also. If we talk close-term history albanians have been a majority in kosovo under the whole 19-century. Albanians was terrorised by the former serbian goverments and our right was not respected at all. We was second class citizens and the minority serbs in Kosovo ruled over us(the majority) with an ironhand. Now Serbia belives that it has the right to keep Kosovo. That right you have lost forever because we 2 million albanians in Kosovo will never let it happend again. Kosovo is not stolen from Serbia but has the right to be independent. One reson is that the land have allways belong to the citizens of kosovo(majority albanians). The other reason is because Serbia has no morally right to rule Kosovo with a population with a different etnicity.

Long live Kosovo and the people there. Albanians and Serbs.

Srboslav

pre 15 godina

Njegos will turn around in his grave..

But this was expected, Tzar Milo could not expect that the italians would leave him out of indictiment without him having to make some kind of sacrifice...

Marko

pre 15 godina

In recognising the UDI, Macedonia and Montenegro recognise the dark shadow of the EU cast over the interests of their people and legacy. Never before, in their long proud tradition and histories, Montenegrans and Macedonians will find themselves on the wrong side of history. The people who gave their sons and blood to fight the Ottamans and Nazis have now turned on their brothers and abandoned their grandfathers.

Serb Allay

pre 15 godina

Why not wait until the ICJ make a decision on the legality of the UDI rather than put yourself in a shameful situation. hmmm i guessed you want to be add on the list of "dogs" of the WEST.

KASTRIOTI

pre 15 godina

To Ataman
You claim that you have no Serbian heritage! You come accross as very consumed with serbian claim of Kosova. Actually, you go to great lengths and pains to defend the Serbian propaganda about Kosova.
You ignore the realities that Kosova has been and is a place inhabited predominantly by Albanians. You also ignore the facts that the reason why Serbia occupied Kosova for the last 100 years is due to the West awarding Kosova to serbs (a christian nation and a russian ally)after the fall of Turkish empire. So Albanians (predominantly muslim) were seen as pro-turk which is anything but true for the time and therefore their land should be given to Serbia.
The facts are that after 100 years of inhumane and assimilative serb rule over Kosova, the West realized that they have done the wrong thing. Actually, they realized that Albanians (once sacrifized) were the most loyal pro-western allies in the balkans and that Serbs are in fact looking to the East (Rusia, China,..).
Serbs assured the world that they can not hang on to their awarded lands because they had a weakness for ethnic cleansing and destruction.

It is ironic that as an Albanian I have a hope that serbs would change their course of violating their neigbhors, bullying the minorities and other action that they displayed in the most recent wars in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosova.
I hope that honest serbs would wake up and take over their destiny punish those who comited crimes on their name. Most importantly, I hope for a sound and a stable neigbhoring country to Kosova. Monte Negro and Macedonia are going to be good examples.
Quite honestly, your proserbian show is not really beneficial to the serbs or anyone else. Unless you suppose that 2 milion Albanians in Kosova should vanish through thin air, you cheering is one sided, unreasonable, unatainable and simply biased and nationalistic.

Thank you Monte Negra, awaiting for Serbia...

Mike

pre 15 godina

This is indeed an unfortunate setback, but I'm not all that worried about it.

First, I know this has little to do with validating Albanian self determination, Albanian historical memory, or any sense of Albanian historical entitlement to Kosovo. It has everything to do with pleasing the EU and the US.

Second, Montenegro's recognition may appear to invalidate its GA vote yesterday. Actually, it kind of makes sense. For one, CG realizes that as a political issue, Kosovo can't be under BG anymore. Regardless of an ICJ ruling, very few people can seriously say that Kosovo's separation from Serbia is reversible. So in this respect, CG is basically accepting the "realities on the ground"

BUT - and here's where Serbia stands to benefit.

Montenegro, in efforts to smooth things over the BG will probably be supportive of any compromise deal that is in the works between BG and Pristina. Recognizing an entity is one thing. Recognizing the legitimate sovereign authority is quite another, and I'd bet that many states that have already recognized, would be equally willing to reconsider the internal dynamics of Kosovo's political system, especially in regards to the K-Serbs.

No doubt the Albanians are jumping for joy at this overly symbolic victory, and no doubt many Serbs are saying that Njgeos must be spinning in his grave. I'm not interested in getting into a nationalist back and forth over this. What I do know is that with an ICJ case in the works, Montenegro, Macedonia, hell, even Greece, can recognize, but that has absolutely no bearing on the internal dynamics and political configurations of Kosovo's future.

At the end of the week, Serbia, in my opinion, still comes out with a gain. CG's recognition is a symbolic victory for the Albanians. A positive GA vote and impending ICJ case is a long term strategic victory.

ZK BG

pre 15 godina

Ahh, finally the Montenegrin government has succumbed to US pressure and completely disgraced the nation.

I was always wondering which country will be the first to revoke recognition and now I know the answer.

Now lets wait and see the predictable media portray the protesters as violent football hooligans. Lets see if this really is about regional stability.

lids

pre 15 godina

Why didn`t Milo just take albanian citizenship and save us all embarasment of today.This was not done in my or my Serbian brothers names.
Shame on you Podgorica

Dane

pre 15 godina

Simply:

THANK YOU MONTENEGROOO!!!

Kosovo was so happy in a day when you declared your independence. It is good that Kosovo and Montenegro can share at least good experiences and moments and look together towards future. Thanks once again...

kufr

pre 15 godina

This is interesting. I think the people of Montenegro should take the streets to say what they think about this decision. The Serbian state should also think twice about that recognition of Montenegro and it's borders from two years ago. If Montenegro can't respect the borders of Serbia, why should Serbia respect the borders of Montenegro?

dave (UK)

pre 15 godina

As someone who is western and supports a democratic vote then if it is decided right or wrong for Montenegro to recognise Kosovo Albanian independence then that is there right, however as a supporter of democracy i fully support the ICJ move by Serbia. The recognition of Kosovo not voted on at the UN is anti-democratic.

If Serbia wishes to use non military efforts against those who recognise Kosovo then its Serbias right to.

I do think they have been blackmailed by the west, no recognition means no EU or money. I am not sure on the ethnic make up of Montenegro but they have given the green light to there minorities to form ethnic states of there own, maybe Albanians there will try to join Kosovo.

I woulld say to any Balkan state looking to join the EU as a meal ticket the funds have dried up. The UK gave Kosovo 17m recently and this was NOT reported in our press, there would be a national out cry if the public knew.

Well done to Serbia on the ICJ

Gojko

pre 15 godina

Serbia:

Is the only country in the Balkans and maybe on the whole planet that has courage and can stand up to what it believes in.

I would rather be in Serbia's position where there territorail integrity is being stolen rather than being a puppet state that will be treated like slaves.

Long live Serbia and Serbs around the world. We are the most courageous people.

Dashnori i Ceces

pre 15 godina

>> Why not wait until the ICJ make a decision on the legality of the UDI

It's called backfiring! Serbs thought that they are the smartest ones in the bunch to delay Kosova, and now EU is even more on Albanian side: Portugal said yes, Romania and Slovakia were forced to recognize passports and ALL your neighbors will soon say yes to Kosova. Now to our 'Islamic brothers' :) and then we can reach the 100 number. Watch for EU to say to Serbs 'Let's wait for the ICJ decisson regarding your SAA and Candidate Status'

Gustave

pre 15 godina

Crna Gora just recognized Kosovo's Indipendence. Mr Jeremic's diplomatic "victory" is turning to taste quite bitter.

Macedonia/FYROM is next. Of Serbia's neighbours only Romania remains.

Serbs' and their pan-slavic friends' enthusiasm was a short-lived one.

Observer

pre 15 godina

Montenegro as an independent nation has the right to recognize whom it wishes. I simply can’t see why Serbia is so shocked by this decision. Hungary, Croatia, Slovenia, Bulgaria, Albania they all recognized Kosovo. Serbia was not so surprised when they did it so I don’t understand all commotion. Reading through the post one could clearly get an impression that both the PM and the president of Montenegro are dictators and not elected by the people of Montenegro. As far as I am aware Montenegro held fair and free elections. If it was up to some posters in this site they would have Montenegro wage a war in Kosovo. Thank god those times over and new era of cooperation has begun.

Thank you, Montenegro. Thank you, people of Montenegro.

Mark (Shqype)

pre 15 godina

Come on B92, hurry up! Macedonia has just recognized the independence of Kosova, and I'm waiting for you to post the splendid news.

Montenegro and Macedonia have recognized the reality of Kosovar independence on the same day. Thank you both!

Dan, Pancevo

pre 15 godina

I find this a very sad day. I can't believe that Macedonia and Montenegro recognized the self-proclaimed republic of Kosovo, after the UN vote. Being a once Yugoslav from Panecevo, who mixed background (read: Serbian, Slovakian and Hungarian)I feel ashamed and humiliated by the 2 countries decisions. It truly is unforgiveable, considering all the Serbs that have been expelled and have no voice in this artifical American colony on European territory. As much of a wound in the heart this will leave, I'm sure the the other Serbian families from Kosovo will think more. P.S. and don't give us this rubbish about
i) European path, integrations, regional stability etc.
Thats all crap from Washington you're all regurgitating. You've created a more unstable part in Europe and created animosities between once brothers. This wound will never heal, nor will it be forgotten.

Dashnori i Ceces

pre 15 godina

Thank you Montenegro.

A small payback for having stolen much of our land and backstabbing the Malesore neighbors who fought with you for 500 years only to be attacked by Montenegrins in 1912-1918.

genc

pre 15 godina

Mircea,

having I spent so much time in Romania to have a good notion of what it is like and being you Romanian, your comment is double shameless and ridiculous.

Anyway, if you visit Italy don't say it loud what is your nationality, even if it is an EU one.

Mike

pre 15 godina

So now Macedonia recognized as well - as if any of us had any surprise there, particularly after CG. At least they can say "well, all the other ex-YU countries did it."

Same thing though that I mentioned after CG: at this point, this is largely symbolic. None of these recognitions - in fact NO recognition other than Albania's - have come with a statement validating Albanian history, historical entitlement, or the Albanian people there. It has always been done "in the name of regional stability" or "the way the winds are blowing" or whatever, and often with heels dragging and excuses being made. It's something when international recognition needs to come from pressure by outside powers and interests doing K-Albanian's work.

People need to realize that a recognition is NOT a pat on the back for the KLA and slap in the face for St. Sava. Far from it. Aside from Albania, no one cares. No one cares who did what to whoever at whatever time. Many Albanians here actually think these recognitions mean the people of the world stand with them. Sorry to say that's not true. Most people don't know where Kosovo is, and don't care to know. Those who disagree with me, I challenge them to prove otherwise.

There is no doubt my mind that these two recognitions were a result of international pressure and enticement. Djukanovic is from the same school as Milosevic. Slobo would have recognized Kosovo and shook hands with Thaci if it paid off for him - Milo is no different.

At the end of the day, Kosovo has three more recognitions in the last 24 hours bringing it to a nice fat 50, but at the same time, none of these recognitions:

1. Will get Pristina any closer to controlling the north

2. Will get Pristina to control the enclaves

3. Will reduce Pristina's utter dependency on international economic handouts

4. Will reduce the rampant corruption in politics

and

5. Stop a debate from taking place at the ICJ

Ataman

pre 15 godina

The people who gave their sons and blood to fight the Ottamans and Nazis have now turned on their brothers and abandoned their grandfathers.
(Marko, 9 October 2008 14:11)

Nope, just their crooks-in-charge. CG, FYROM - like every country - has it's own share of cigarette smugglers, self-hating crazymen. Djukanovic or gruevski did not battle nazis, ottomans and such. Look at their face compared with the face of Tadic or even Rugova - would you buy a used car from djukanovic or gruevski?

Look up their bio, it tells you all.

Regardless, the debate is not over yet. Neither outcome is "victory" or "tragedy".

ICJ decision will take years by the way, probably your grandchildren will look for retirement at the time the decision will fall. To be safe, I would still postpone the decision well beyond Nov. 4, who knows, they may look silly next February.

Adrian Gashi

pre 15 godina

Montenegro was probably equally pressured by the West and Serbia, and apparently the West has a stronger pull on Montenegro than Serbia does. I find it ironic that the day that Serbia decides to send back its ambassador to Tirana, it pulls the ambassador from Podgorica.
The reason why Serbia is generally detested among the people in the region is that the only means it uses in dealing with neighbors is a whip lash across the face for whomever doesn't want to budge to Belgrade's bullying. But if today's recognitions of Kosova from Montenegro and Macedonia have any symbolic significance that would be that it marks a new low in the trend of Serbia's diminishing influence in the region.

Mike

pre 15 godina

I could see Macedonia's recognition on account of the Albanian minoirity bloc's constant threat of rioting and separatism in threatening a decision. As for CG, I wouldn't put anything past Milo trying to augment his own power and solidify his position with the EU. To him, it makes perfect sense mollifying Serbia by voting "yes" at the GA, and then turning around and recognizing to appease Brussels.

A recognition will NOT go down well on the streets of Podgorica. But at this point, both possible recognitions are more from EU pressure than actual Albanian sympathy.

miri

pre 15 godina

"Nope, just their crooks-in-charge. CG, FYROM - like every country - has it's own share of cigarette smugglers, self-hating crazymen. Djukanovic or gruevski did not battle nazis, ottomans and such. Look at their face compared with the face of Tadic or even Rugova - would you buy a used car from djukanovic or gruevski?

Ataman..."


Then you should say the same for those heading your nation, Tadic, Jeremic and co. Serbian people don't care about Kosova but these and only these people are trying to hang on the issue for their smuggling. That's what you're saying, right?

And please, don't put Tadic an d Rugova in the same sentence.

Funcakes

pre 15 godina

Wow, what a blow for Serbia's "grand victory"...

Grand victory with 77 votes, some of which being recognizers. My guess is this is where the humiliation wave begins, where the countries that astained and have not recognized yet will finally declare their recognitions.

Let's start with traditional friend, turned USA-lover, Ukraine!

Mark (Shqype)

pre 15 godina

I am very pleased that Montenegro has made the right move in recognizing the reality of Kosova's independence to ensure peace and stability in the region.

Serbia tried to threaten Montenegro, and soon learned that they don't take well to being threatened.

Montenegrins and Serbs are two different peoples. Montenegrins have Albanian ancestry with a Slavic culture that they got from the Serbs, but they have their own identity and the Serbs must realize they will not bow to Serbia's wishes!

Both of my parents were born in the Albanian sections of Montenegro and they are also pleased with the decision. I've long been skeptical of Montenegro's normalization with the Albanians, especially after the wrongful imprisonment of the Albanian political prisoners, but this is a good move in the right direction and I'm grateful for it.

Thanks, Montenegro!

Albanian

pre 15 godina

THANK YOU MONTENEGRO!!

This is a real proof that Montenegro is looking west. Now let's wait for Macedonia.

I've got a feeling that is going to be a hot topic this one.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

This is a real proof that Montenegro is looking west.
(Albanian, 9 October 2008 20:06)

Montenegro does not look either west or east. It's where it is (for the time being) and as a country it does not have ears, eyes to look.

As for "milo" - he is the most who can be associated with milosevic on the Balkans today. So why would somebody who was the right hand of milosevic recognize Kosovo? Because milosevic would do the same. Crooks have no principles and both are crooks.

He will suffer probably the same fate: die in prison. He has certainly some difficult issues.

Ultimately a maffiosi and milosevicist did recognize an entity led by marxist-leninist gangsters.

What is wrong with that? I only cross my fingers, there won't be any violence and more trouble. Good relationship between Serbian government and Montenegrin government is probably will suffer. Very unwise move given the low number of possibilities for Montenegrins to work outside of tourism branch.

Florin

pre 15 godina

To Mircea

You claim that you are Romanian. And you seem really proud that you are in the EU. I invite you to go out and ask people in Italy, England, and Spain about how they feel that Romania is in the EU. I promise you that they will use the most vile epithets to describe your people. As of today, according to opinion polls in the above mentioned countries, Romanians present the number one criminal element, which includes petty thieves as well as more sinister criminal enterprises. Stop gloating please!

louie

pre 15 godina

What a Great News!!!
After Portugal,we have Crna Gora and later Makedonija!

We just have scored a hatrick!

It is becoming one of the most exciting weeks for us Albanians!

Matthew,I know you are a busy man,but I would like to thank you and Crna Gora for showing guts to except the reality!

It is not about who loves who,it is about the reality which is hard to except!

Kosovan Albanians live in Europe and they should be treated like Europians!!!

Give Peace a Chance,Give Kosovo a Chance!!!

Gezuar and Ziveli!!!

Benny

pre 15 godina

Very expected. As I wrote previously, this was essentially what Jeremic asked at least of the Montenegrin govt. in that article you guys had about him warning Montenegro. He essentially said do not recognize before the GA vote. As I wrote then, Montenegro appeased Serbia in that regard, they even voted in favor of their ICJ initiative, but it was expected that immediately after that they would recognize Kosovo. I said the next day, but it really doesn't matter if it is a day or a week.
Macedonia was always going to recognize, they just wanted to coordinate this better with Montenegro, but the Serbian govt. even stopped threatening Macedonia after a while and only concentrating on Montenegro.

But Serbia's initiative is not a total loss in my opinion. It will slow other nations that usually do not get mixed up in Balkan politics from recognizing too soon. They do have a chance now to have many other states to wait until the opinion of the ICJ, just not in the neighborhood.

predictor

pre 15 godina

Have these countries heard about UN GA resolution that was adopted yesterday???
People what is happening here only a day after the resolution is adopted??? As it looks now, we are going to have a flux of countries recognizing Kosova’s independence after the resolution has passed the UN GA door.
Ahaaaaa, so that was actually a barrier that prevented countries to recognize us!
Congratulation Serbia, you won, and you have should done this long time ago, and start miss-training your best lawyers, while we are proceeding on our path with the rest of the world.

Benny

pre 15 godina

A true prediction hehe.

It was obvious though and everyone knew it, even those that did not want to believe it, knew it deep down inside that this was going to happen.

It is good for the region in my opinion. This decision does stabilize the Balkans tremendously.

Korab

pre 15 godina

MIRCEA,

"You Albanians will have to wait many years to become citizens of the EU."

TODAY Mr.Oli Rehn was in Prishtina and signed 123 milion euro EU support to
KOSOVA and acces to Structural funds.

On the other hand why ROMANIANS are deported from ITALY while you consider yourself EU ????

Kosovar

pre 15 godina

I hope by this news, Serbian citizens understand that Kosovo deserves independence. I don't expect Vuk Jeremic to understand that, but I expect Serbian citizens because they are the future of Serbia and not Vuk Jeremic. Serbian Government has always used propaganda as a mechanism to blind its citizens. I have friends from Serbia who never believed that Kosovo is the way it is. They thought that there are only ugly, old people, very underdeveloped, etc. This was all thanks to Serbian TVs which presented Kosovo to be like that, and never the truth.

Sincerely I want all Serbs to think that when your brothers recognize us, what do you expect from ICJ? There has never been a better chance for Serbia to join EU and prosper and I hope they will choose that direction instead of Kosovo.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

Then you should say the same for those heading your nation
(miri, 9 October 2008 16:00)

I do say even worse. I wrote several times, but probably you did not noticed: the first time I ever visited the territory of Yugoslavia I was 19 year old and I a have no Serbian background, whatever you understand under the word "Serbian".


And please, don't put Tadic an d Rugova in the same sentence.
(miri, 9 October 2008 16:00)

I reserve my right to do so because it does not offend Tadic or Rugova. Both deserve respect, but both made mistakes. Who does not?

Otherwise, offensive tone will just result me to switching to certain mocking-cynical-sarcastic tone. Probably it is not what you like. Thanks!

Dashnori i Ceces

pre 15 godina

>>> When will Albania join the EU? Probably in 2050 or even later. You Albanians will have to wait many years to become citizens of the EU.


Mircea, if we steal billions in EU money like you and Bulgaria we can be ready in 2 years.

By the way: THANK YOU. Albanians had a horrible reputation in Italy...until the Romanians (you know, the EU members) got there. Now we're seen as angels.

Albion, New York

pre 15 godina

Hvala Crna Gora.
I spent a lot of time in Herceg Novi, a long time a go, 1980's. I was liked as Albanian there, i think because we and Montenegrins share mutual origins. They have typical Albanian physionomy.
Hvala jos jednom Crna Gora, vecna nek vam je slava.

Mark (Shqype)

pre 15 godina

Macedonia has committed itself to peace and stability in the Balkans. It has recognized the reality of Kosovar independence. It's time for the Serbs to accept the reality as well!

Afrim Hoxha

pre 15 godina

Thanks Montenegro, Thanks Macedonia.
We are happy that our two slavic neighbors have accepted the new reality.
Who cares what isolated Cuba has to say as far as we are good with neighbors while Serbia has bitter relation with every neighbors.

Zoran

pre 15 godina

"only Bosnia left now what will serbia do now

threaten more countries where are all those guys who say Macedonia and Montenegro won't recognize Kosova

and all you have to say is USA is pressure on other countries to do so

it means that USA is stronger then Russia because they cant prevent other countries to recognize Kosova

hvala makedonia i crna gora
(Kosovar, 10 October 2008 00:05)"

When Bosnia (Muslim part) says yes Republika Srpska will be gone next hour and nothing that the EU, US and NATO can do about that. In fact, I believe that the next Balkan war (and only God knows what else may happen) will again start there and considering many current world affairs that are starting to hurt your US and EU masters more (which eventually will lead them to drop financial aid to many puppet regimes) that is something that the west cannot handle.

Ylli Billa

pre 15 godina

This is a smart moove from Montenegro. Montenegreens as descendants of Ilyrians (same as Kosovars are) has the right to recognize their new neighbour. Kosovo is going on his way to Europe same as all balkan countries are, so why do we have to loose time with such a stupid things, to who belongs Kosovo? of course it belongs to people who live there. If who have to look at the history we have to change the whole world (even Serbs has to go to Russia) but we can't do that, because we live in 21 century.

ben

pre 15 godina

Kosova was EQUAL AMONG EQUALS- this is what ALL ex- YUGO states say when teh recognise Kosova.

This is our ICJ rule- this is a HUGE MORAL victory for the oppressed KOSOVA.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

To Ataman 
You claim that you have no Serbian heritage! You come accross as very consumed with serbian claim of Kosova. Actually, you go to great lengths and pains to defend the Serbian propaganda about Kosova.
(KASTRIOTI, 9 October 2008 20:58)

Roberto and me started from same platform, but came to different conclusions. Like Roberto is not Albanian, I am not a Serb either. Simple. But unlike Roberto I am not very eager to tell much about my person. I don't see here any readiness to make even a truce. Also this is basically a Serbian site. I do not feel, it is kosher for me to go to Koha Ditore and write bunch of nonsense there just to make Albanians angry.

Chicagoan

pre 15 godina

Well, this is what called "effective diplomacy" after Serbian resolution had passed, Jeremic before arriving home gets a cold shower from their first neighbor! Kosovo independence is a reality that Serbs should live with, and not getting manipulated by politicians, who made atrocities in their name. Thanks Montenegro!!!

Alban

pre 15 godina

>>> "When Macedonia cedes more of its territorial integrity and constitution to the Albanians and becomes a federal state/confederation - and it will one day (see the population growth/demographic numbers, before making any lame comments) Serbia should be the first to recogzine it. That would be payback part one."


Dragan, Albanians are very peaceful people. Patient, but peaceful. There is no need to divide FYROM today or tomorrow. Maybe when FYROM has less SlavMacedonians they might join an Albanian federation, Albanian is already an official language and FYROM-ans will probably start to learn it very soon. Albanians at most will reach 50% in FYROM and then it will slow down, unless Kosovars run out of space and get an invitation. (Fyrom has a lot more land than Kosova) But either way there will be peace in the Balkans.

Mircea

pre 15 godina

Dashnori i Ceces,

When will Albania join the EU? Probably in 2050 or even later. You Albanians will have to wait many years to become citizens of the EU.

Benny

pre 15 godina

Macedonia has essentially recognized Kosovo as well according to Macedonia's A1 news. The ruling party VMRO has supported the resolution of the Albanian parties for recognition of Kosovo. It looks like a done deal, only waiting for the formality.

Dragan, Toronto

pre 15 godina

When Macedonia cedes more of its territorial integrity and constitution to the Albanians and becomes a federal state/confederation - and it will one day (see the population growth/demographic numbers, before making any lame comments) Serbia should be the first to recogzine it. That would be payback part one.

Berkeley

pre 15 godina

The only thing what surprises me that there are still some people who are surprised about this move. However, when I think carefully, then I'm actually not surprised.

Anyway, another proof that bilateral recognition realize only on states itself. It would be anyway strange when other can dictate this process. Montenegro has made a good decision. It is the decision of future and stabilization in this region.

ben

pre 15 godina

The recognition of Kosova by Montenegro is the Montenegrin SECOND declaration of INDEPENCE from Serbia.

Serbs that believe that Montenegrins will turn against their Gov.t DELIBERATELY forget:

1. that the decision was UNANIMOUSLY voted in the Gov.t and
2. that Montenegrins are very proud and will not allow to be blackmailed by Serbia and the pro-Serbian factor in Montenegro- any pro-Serbian action in Montenegro will only homogenise the Montenegrins around their Gov.t

After all- I presume Monetengrians have reckoned: why we should not recognise Kosova- because presumably is the cradle of the Serbian nation- BUT Serbs themselves through their PRESIDENT of the Republic say that they ARE HAPPY to divide the land of their cradle and soul.

Ratko, UK

pre 15 godina

Well...the utter greed of the Crna Gora government has come! Obviously faced with exclusion form big money pot they have succumbed to the US, German and other EU nations in recognising Kosovo. This disgraceful act is not about stability it is quite simply all about GREED. May the Crna Gora government and the people that elected them hang their heads in shame!

along with other weak nations, the government of Crna Gora has succumbed to greed.

These weak governments will never learn - it's not about stability....it's about money - the weak US dollar that will now be invested in your region, but will ultimately drive your brothers and sisters away.

Benny

pre 15 godina

Macedonia Adopts Kosovo independence resoluti9on with 85 votes for independence, 1 against and 15 abstentions.

Done deal. I can finally see in the not too distant future a more stabilizing Balkan which together will look forward and become economically viable as this will herald real investments and innovations in the region. Finally.

AJ Canada

pre 15 godina

Thank you Montenegro, we love you! The same regards I will be sending to Macedonia as well!
In my opinion, Serbia has help speed up the process, cuz all they can say: "we did a favor for you to the resolution, now we want to do the same for Kosovo people". So you didn't loose. it's 1:1. The only thing is that if the number of states increases to the desireable number then it will be a total lose of Serbia but it was engineered to happen.

Kosovar

pre 15 godina

only Bosnia left now what will serbia do now

threaten more countries where are all those guys who say Macedonia and Montenegro won't recognize Kosova

and all you have to say is USA is pressure on other countries to do so

it means that USA is stronger then Russia because they cant prevent other countries to recognize Kosova

hvala makedonia i crna gora

Aleks

pre 15 godina

It's amazing what the promise of EU candidate status will bring. We will see in the next few days or weeks what the big EU countries have promised the Montengro that is run by Djukanovic and his cronies and sold off to oligarchs.

I still fail to see what Djukanovic's support of Serbia at the UN for the ICJ was supposed to serve? Did he honestly think that it would upset the Serbs less? Still, he knows who his sugar daddy is.

As for Macedonia, it will be interesting to see if the name dispute with Greece is solved soon too.

Will these recognitions sway any of those states who have still not 'recognized' Kosovo? It is unlikely as the core issue remains - states with potential/restive minorities still face this risk regardless.

One for the Kosovo albanians out there, do any of you think you will join the EU before Serbia?

Steve

pre 15 godina

The reason Macedonia recognized Kosovo is not because they really believe it is Albanian, but because they need American support over the name issue and this way they have secured trust.

Deep inside, Macedonians and Serbians are very close friends, almost brothers, and the educated Serbs understand that the Macedonians have alot of Albanians willing to start trouble like they did in 2001 in Macedonia, and many times in Serbia.

Montenegro, it hurts even more because they are Serbs, I understand.

Kosovo will always be the heart of Serbia, the west thought that if you kill Kosovo, you will kill all Serbs, but they are so wrong. You can kill the heart of Serbia, but you can't kill Serbia in the hearts of Serbs.

God Bless Serbia

MACEDONIA IS MACEDONIAN
KOSOVO IS SERBIAN

Aleks

pre 15 godina

"Serbia will have to cooperate if they want to get EU funds. No force will be used obviously."

I sometimes wonder if our dear commenters actually read the news at all or just stick to the information they like.

B92 itself reported on 29 September that Serbia will receive 584 million euros from the EU until 2010:
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=09&dd=29&nav_id=53845

Or 771 million euro since 2007 to 2010:
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/business-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=07&dd=13&nav_id=42413

Duh!

Branislav

pre 15 godina

When Montenegro decided to Separate from Serbia, that was explained as their need for independence - although that move acctualy started after Empire(i.e.US) suggested it will be supportive - to dismantle FR Yugoslavia under Milosevic. Many people then thought it is too small to be duly independent.
And we see - after this recognition - and after many "hints" that they will be recognizing Kosovo UDI- because of "pressure", that their politicians really just follow diktat, that is don't act in an independent manner.
Introduction to that move was a statement that Montenegro - "doesn't have the right to ignore reality". Amazing is that the move came just after UN agreed (in significant number) to go for requested opinion for ICJ. Was the "pressure" realty so unbearable - that "inevitable reality" couldn't have been postponed for few more days after that - or is it more true that Montenegro "yieldied very reluctantly" on behest of Empire -at this time,just to lessen it's obvious (and just) defeat in UN?
It just shows how policy should be made by "good disciples" of Empire.

Dashnori i Ceces

pre 15 godina

>>> "1. Will get Pristina any closer to controlling the north

Serbia will have to cooperate if they want to get EU funds. No force will be used obviously.

>> 2. Will get Pristina to control the enclaves

The enclaves are nto connected to Serbia proper, most want to cooperate (because they have to) but Serbian Gov is making it harder. Eventually they have to integrate and start looking for jobs in Kosova.

>> 3. Will reduce Pristina's utter dependency on international economic handouts

100% of the budget is from taxes and fees. EU and others are helping of course but it's not billions a year. EU is also helping Serbia, Albania etc

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 15 godina

In another tread, on 9 October 2008 20:58, Canadian wrote:

"Both Montenegro and Macedonia are fully aware how foolish not to mention dangerous it would be to recognize Kosovo now, especially after the USA and UK suffered such a humiliating defeat to Serbia yesterday at the UN."

And he continued with:

"Serbia will not react to Either Montenegro or Macedonia like they did with Croatia and Slovenia if they decide to recognize Kosovo. And the USA and UK are near bankrupt, so their influence is not what it use to be and won't be at least for 5 or 6 years maybe longer in the US case is McCain wins."

In light of the recent announcements from Montenegro and Macedonia, would it then be fair to say that they are brave fools?

Btw - a couple of days ago, I made a post here

http://tinyurl.com/4dujr8

about how time will show who is wrong, and who is right.

Mr. Canadian post above confirms my view, that letting time run is much more efficient at debunking radical and nationalists view than me posting here every 2 hours.
--

Arte

pre 15 godina

I think this was going to hapen independetly of Serbian threats to it neighbours, any how. It is an historical, although overdue decision, by Montenegro and Macedonia, who are now joining the western European family decision earlier this year. What? Did you think it was going to be any different? Mantenegro and Macedonia are not any longer under the shadows of Serbia like in the past. They can't be any longer in discordance with the current reality of the Balkans. I this is a very good news for West Balkans in general. Kosova will definitely be a good responsible partner. What do you wait Serbia? When will you recognise Kosova?
Arte

Obvious

pre 15 godina

Nothing suprising here, it was to be expected. I'm not suprised theat the K-ALbanians are jumping for joy. The delusion of independence lasts another day. I don't see any reason for the Serbs to be upset either. This is not the Montenegrin people but a rogue government. Keep your heads cool- the struggle will last a long time and if Serbs cant have Kosovo neither will the Albanians.

lee coleman

pre 15 godina

just a quick note to adam . nobody takes russia seriously ? as an englishman and londoner at that we take russia very seriously thank you . they may not change anything for serbia or on the kosovo issue itself , but before you make such sweeping statments please consider that russia will probably become the most important region for europe and indeed the northern hemispere in the next 10-20 years . unless you intend to fuel your car and heat your home with goats milk or potatoes i suggest you do a little research .

Igor

pre 15 godina

I am sorry Macedonia recognized Kosovo and legalized a decision which directly goes against International Law.

And I sit here and I read all of the comments about how we stabbed you in the back, how we never took Serbia's interests into consideration, and how we committed treason to the Slavic cause. However, I cannot help but wonder where Serbia has been in the past 17 years on the international scene and why has the Serbian state done nothing to defend and support the interests of Macedonia. For 17 long, long years you have sat and done absolutely nothing as you watched Greece bully and humiliate Macedonia every single time the chance presented itself. In 1991 you threatened to bomb us, in 1999 you again threatened to bomb us.
Please, let's not pretend to be the closest of friends. In politics there are no closest of friends, just interests. The Serbian state has followed its own interests through out this period and the difference now is that Macedonia decided to do the same. So, why cry foul now?

Dan, Pancevo

pre 15 godina

Montenegro (1/3), Macedonia (1/2) and Kosovo (2/3) will be part of a greater ALbania. I forgot to mention, part of Greece and part of Presevo Valley. Realistically that will happen - the U.S. will push for it...and than there will be an Albanian federation or Dardania. Than the Montenegrins, Macedonians, Greeks and Serbs will wake up - though in another land (by American force - which won't last much longer though...each day they get weaker and weaker). Its sad Yugoslavia failed and it had to come to this crap. We let ourselves be divided and conquered. Divided and ruled, and in the end divided and fooled. I just hope the Russian bear wakes up out of hibernation and returns to the Balkans as a protector of real peace and security. Pipe dreams.

Albanian

pre 15 godina

I can't wait to see who's going to be next?
What would serbian people say if Greece recognises Kosovo? Would they kick their ambassador out of Serbia? I don't think so.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 15 godina

ts better to be Americas puppet, than Serbias/Russias King.
(Preniqi, 11 October 2008 17:09)

In an ideal world all states would be independent and express full sovereignty over their lands, peoples and borders. However as you have seen (unless you live under a rock) the US is bankrupt, all $10 trillion of it and its influence is waning - fast, thanks to Iraq, Afghanistan and the global credit crunch.

I'd say it must be getting pretty crowded under that rock.

Stutor

pre 15 godina

Milo returned to power in quite other reasons. One who rules the energy of state governments. Montenegrin struggle for power has yet to be. In this war will be a lot of battles. Djukanovic is the only soldier who should lead to the end. This Montenegro will lose their sovereignty forever.

Gojko

pre 15 godina

I can't wait to see who's going to be next?
What would serbian people say if Greece recognises Kosovo? Would they kick their ambassador out of Serbia? I don't think so.
(Albanian, 11 October 2008 09:09)

Greece already recognized Kosovo as did Romania! Once a country accepTS Kosovo's passports then they informally recognized. The rest is just a formality!


(Dan, Pancevo, 11 October 2008 03:00)

America is not looking for a greater Albania. I promise you that. To America all three of those countries are the same and are puppets for the US AND EU. USA will support Montenegro's and Macedonia's territorial integrity.

Serbia= Russia
Croatia= Ukraine
Slovenia= Georgia
Bosnia= Lithuania
etc....
Get the picture. Serbia is the "bad guy" just like Russia. The rest are puppets I am sorry what I meant to see is that they are allies to the USA. I just wonder what will happen to Montenegro's and Russia's relationship.

hoshie

pre 15 godina

Hello All,

Before I begin, let me thank B92 for the having the news on the region in english. The coverage here is better than most of the news outlets here in the US who dumb-down and confuse everything.

As for Montenegro's and FYR Macedonia's recognition of Kosovo, is anyone surprised? These folks want to be in the EU and NATO and to be in the club you have to play by the rules. As for Montenegro, I see this as part of a trend. This is the Montenegro that met with the West during the events of 1999 and replaced the dinar with the German mark during the same time period.

As for the the Kosovo issue in general, I agree with what has happened so far due to the fact the majority wanted it. However my happiness is muted by the lack of an agreement on both sides on the issue.

nik

pre 15 godina

Steve:"Deep inside, Macedonians and Serbians are very close friends, almost brothers"

May be it is true for people like you who really hate their roots, break the memorial plate of Mara Buneva and try to erase the Ohrid uprising of 1913 when both Bulgarian and Albanian rebels defied the Serbian occupator. from the history books. It is sorry to say that you live in an Yugoslavian dream world where the secular "Macedonist" pseudoreligion was created. Well it is time to wake up and see the real world. No serious historian will ever "recognize" the existing of a Macedonian ethnicity before the 1930's, you will go through a humiliating procedure if having to change your name. You alienated your real friends, now your ostensive friends will impose sanctions on you.

Agim

pre 15 godina

So much for Serbia celebrating the win!
Basically what is happening is lots of smoke mirrors in serbia today, this so called make believe victory that serbian politicians are fooling their people into believing (It sound a lot like Milosevic when he signed the Kumanovo accord that he was actually claiming victory to serbian people & everyone was celebrating).

Looks like Monte Negro and Macedonia are going to spoil the serbian party.
What goes around comes around they say...

Adam§

pre 15 godina

Here it comes. Recognition by our dear neighbours. Serbia you have lost the military battle and now you are losing the diplomatic one. Russia cannot help you anymore because they haved realise that nobody in the West take them seriosly. If Serbia take their side then nobody will take you seriosly also. The only way you have now is Eu-intergration and that can only happend when you have reconized Kosovo as an independent state. Internationall law is important but you have no right to that law. You want to keep Kosovo and you say that you are going to respect the rights of the albanians. Why diden't you do it in the 90's ?

If you speak long-term history Kosovo has allways belong to the albanians. Albanians lived there even before the serbian people came to light. Albanians lived there under the whole serbian occupation and the ottoman occupation also. If we talk close-term history albanians have been a majority in kosovo under the whole 19-century. Albanians was terrorised by the former serbian goverments and our right was not respected at all. We was second class citizens and the minority serbs in Kosovo ruled over us(the majority) with an ironhand. Now Serbia belives that it has the right to keep Kosovo. That right you have lost forever because we 2 million albanians in Kosovo will never let it happend again. Kosovo is not stolen from Serbia but has the right to be independent. One reson is that the land have allways belong to the citizens of kosovo(majority albanians). The other reason is because Serbia has no morally right to rule Kosovo with a population with a different etnicity.

Long live Kosovo and the people there. Albanians and Serbs.

Bryan

pre 15 godina

Hello,

Disgraceful. Montenegro is one of many puppet/pon nations that have been cohersed by the USA in recognizing KOSOVO. This has nothing to do with Montenegro. What boggles my mind is that all these countries are recognizing Kosovo's illegal declaration of Independance while fully being aware that the gov't offcials in charge of KOSOVO'S gov't have close ties to AL Quada and Bin Laden. Do people forget what happened in New York City on 911? The Serbs are fighting to protect their land in Kosovo from Kosovo Albanians that are linked to Al Qauda and Osama Bin Laden. Its a shame that the Serbs have been branded in such a horrific manner. The funny thing is that the US, UK, France, Germany etc...know that the Serbs are good people but these super power countries have decided to side with the Bosnians, Croats, and Albanians. These super power countries offered these countries everything in order to occupy their lands by building Army bases on their land. These bases in the long run will help shift the power balance in the balkans. The above countries have sold their souls while the Serbs are a proud nation and will continue to fight unjustice.

Gojko

pre 15 godina

Serbia:

Is the only country in the Balkans and maybe on the whole planet that has courage and can stand up to what it believes in.

I would rather be in Serbia's position where there territorail integrity is being stolen rather than being a puppet state that will be treated like slaves.

Long live Serbia and Serbs around the world. We are the most courageous people.

Ataman

pre 15 godina

The people who gave their sons and blood to fight the Ottamans and Nazis have now turned on their brothers and abandoned their grandfathers.
(Marko, 9 October 2008 14:11)

Nope, just their crooks-in-charge. CG, FYROM - like every country - has it's own share of cigarette smugglers, self-hating crazymen. Djukanovic or gruevski did not battle nazis, ottomans and such. Look at their face compared with the face of Tadic or even Rugova - would you buy a used car from djukanovic or gruevski?

Look up their bio, it tells you all.

Regardless, the debate is not over yet. Neither outcome is "victory" or "tragedy".

ICJ decision will take years by the way, probably your grandchildren will look for retirement at the time the decision will fall. To be safe, I would still postpone the decision well beyond Nov. 4, who knows, they may look silly next February.

Mircea

pre 15 godina

Dashnori i Ceces,

When will Albania join the EU? Probably in 2050 or even later. You Albanians will have to wait many years to become citizens of the EU.

Marko

pre 15 godina

In recognising the UDI, Macedonia and Montenegro recognise the dark shadow of the EU cast over the interests of their people and legacy. Never before, in their long proud tradition and histories, Montenegrans and Macedonians will find themselves on the wrong side of history. The people who gave their sons and blood to fight the Ottamans and Nazis have now turned on their brothers and abandoned their grandfathers.

Florin

pre 15 godina

To Mircea

You claim that you are Romanian. And you seem really proud that you are in the EU. I invite you to go out and ask people in Italy, England, and Spain about how they feel that Romania is in the EU. I promise you that they will use the most vile epithets to describe your people. As of today, according to opinion polls in the above mentioned countries, Romanians present the number one criminal element, which includes petty thieves as well as more sinister criminal enterprises. Stop gloating please!

Funcakes

pre 15 godina

Wow, what a blow for Serbia's "grand victory"...

Grand victory with 77 votes, some of which being recognizers. My guess is this is where the humiliation wave begins, where the countries that astained and have not recognized yet will finally declare their recognitions.

Let's start with traditional friend, turned USA-lover, Ukraine!

Korab

pre 15 godina

MIRCEA,

"You Albanians will have to wait many years to become citizens of the EU."

TODAY Mr.Oli Rehn was in Prishtina and signed 123 milion euro EU support to
KOSOVA and acces to Structural funds.

On the other hand why ROMANIANS are deported from ITALY while you consider yourself EU ????

Serb Allay

pre 15 godina

Why not wait until the ICJ make a decision on the legality of the UDI rather than put yourself in a shameful situation. hmmm i guessed you want to be add on the list of "dogs" of the WEST.

lids

pre 15 godina

Why didn`t Milo just take albanian citizenship and save us all embarasment of today.This was not done in my or my Serbian brothers names.
Shame on you Podgorica

KASTRIOTI

pre 15 godina

To Ataman
You claim that you have no Serbian heritage! You come accross as very consumed with serbian claim of Kosova. Actually, you go to great lengths and pains to defend the Serbian propaganda about Kosova.
You ignore the realities that Kosova has been and is a place inhabited predominantly by Albanians. You also ignore the facts that the reason why Serbia occupied Kosova for the last 100 years is due to the West awarding Kosova to serbs (a christian nation and a russian ally)after the fall of Turkish empire. So Albanians (predominantly muslim) were seen as pro-turk which is anything but true for the time and therefore their land should be given to Serbia.
The facts are that after 100 years of inhumane and assimilative serb rule over Kosova, the West realized that they have done the wrong thing. Actually, they realized that Albanians (once sacrifized) were the most loyal pro-western allies in the balkans and that Serbs are in fact looking to the East (Rusia, China,..).
Serbs assured the world that they can not hang on to their awarded lands because they had a weakness for ethnic cleansing and destruction.

It is ironic that as an Albanian I have a hope that serbs would change their course of violating their neigbhors, bullying the minorities and other action that they displayed in the most recent wars in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosova.
I hope that honest serbs would wake up and take over their destiny punish those who comited crimes on their name. Most importantly, I hope for a sound and a stable neigbhoring country to Kosova. Monte Negro and Macedonia are going to be good examples.
Quite honestly, your proserbian show is not really beneficial to the serbs or anyone else. Unless you suppose that 2 milion Albanians in Kosova should vanish through thin air, you cheering is one sided, unreasonable, unatainable and simply biased and nationalistic.

Thank you Monte Negra, awaiting for Serbia...

Chicagoan

pre 15 godina

Well, this is what called "effective diplomacy" after Serbian resolution had passed, Jeremic before arriving home gets a cold shower from their first neighbor! Kosovo independence is a reality that Serbs should live with, and not getting manipulated by politicians, who made atrocities in their name. Thanks Montenegro!!!

Benny

pre 15 godina

Very expected. As I wrote previously, this was essentially what Jeremic asked at least of the Montenegrin govt. in that article you guys had about him warning Montenegro. He essentially said do not recognize before the GA vote. As I wrote then, Montenegro appeased Serbia in that regard, they even voted in favor of their ICJ initiative, but it was expected that immediately after that they would recognize Kosovo. I said the next day, but it really doesn't matter if it is a day or a week.
Macedonia was always going to recognize, they just wanted to coordinate this better with Montenegro, but the Serbian govt. even stopped threatening Macedonia after a while and only concentrating on Montenegro.

But Serbia's initiative is not a total loss in my opinion. It will slow other nations that usually do not get mixed up in Balkan politics from recognizing too soon. They do have a chance now to have many other states to wait until the opinion of the ICJ, just not in the neighborhood.

Dashnori i Ceces

pre 15 godina

>> Why not wait until the ICJ make a decision on the legality of the UDI

It's called backfiring! Serbs thought that they are the smartest ones in the bunch to delay Kosova, and now EU is even more on Albanian side: Portugal said yes, Romania and Slovakia were forced to recognize passports and ALL your neighbors will soon say yes to Kosova. Now to our 'Islamic brothers' :) and then we can reach the 100 number. Watch for EU to say to Serbs 'Let's wait for the ICJ decisson regarding your SAA and Candidate Status'

miri

pre 15 godina

"Nope, just their crooks-in-charge. CG, FYROM - like every country - has it's own share of cigarette smugglers, self-hating crazymen. Djukanovic or gruevski did not battle nazis, ottomans and such. Look at their face compared with the face of Tadic or even Rugova - would you buy a used car from djukanovic or gruevski?

Ataman..."


Then you should say the same for those heading your nation, Tadic, Jeremic and co. Serbian people don't care about Kosova but these and only these people are trying to hang on the issue for their smuggling. That's what you're saying, right?

And please, don't put Tadic an d Rugova in the same sentence.

Dragan

pre 15 godina

Pathetic and unbelievable. In my opinion, Milo will go down in infamy as the biggest traitor of the Montenegrin people - just you waint and see. Some people have no pride, and no shame.

Ylli Billa

pre 15 godina

This is a smart moove from Montenegro. Montenegreens as descendants of Ilyrians (same as Kosovars are) has the right to recognize their new neighbour. Kosovo is going on his way to Europe same as all balkan countries are, so why do we have to loose time with such a stupid things, to who belongs Kosovo? of course it belongs to people who live there. If who have to look at the history we have to change the whole world (even Serbs has to go to Russia) but we can't do that, because we live in 21 century.

louie

pre 15 godina

What a Great News!!!
After Portugal,we have Crna Gora and later Makedonija!

We just have scored a hatrick!

It is becoming one of the most exciting weeks for us Albanians!

Matthew,I know you are a busy man,but I would like to thank you and Crna Gora for showing guts to except the reality!

It is not about who loves who,it is about the reality which is hard to except!

Kosovan Albanians live in Europe and they should be treated like Europians!!!

Give Peace a Chance,Give Kosovo a Chance!!!

Gezuar and Ziveli!!!

Mike

pre 15 godina

I could see Macedonia's recognition on account of the Albanian minoirity bloc's constant threat of rioting and separatism in threatening a decision. As for CG, I wouldn't put anything past Milo trying to augment his own power and solidify his position with the EU. To him, it makes perfect sense mollifying Serbia by voting "yes" at the GA, and then turning around and recognizing to appease Brussels.

A recognition will NOT go down well on the streets of Podgorica. But at this point, both possible recognitions are more from EU pressure than actual Albanian sympathy.

predictor

pre 15 godina

Have these countries heard about UN GA resolution that was adopted yesterday???
People what is happening here only a day after the resolution is adopted??? As it looks now, we are going to have a flux of countries recognizing Kosova’s independence after the resolution has passed the UN GA door.
Ahaaaaa, so that was actually a barrier that prevented countries to recognize us!
Congratulation Serbia, you won, and you have should done this long time ago, and start miss-training your best lawyers, while we are proceeding on our path with the rest of the world.

Gustave

pre 15 godina

Crna Gora just recognized Kosovo's Indipendence. Mr Jeremic's diplomatic "victory" is turning to taste quite bitter.

Macedonia/FYROM is next. Of Serbia's neighbours only Romania remains.

Serbs' and their pan-slavic friends' enthusiasm was a short-lived one.

Benny

pre 15 godina

Macedonia has essentially recognized Kosovo as well according to Macedonia's A1 news. The ruling party VMRO has supported the resolution of the Albanian parties for recognition of Kosovo. It looks like a done deal, only waiting for the formality.

Albanian

pre 15 godina

THANK YOU MONTENEGRO!!

This is a real proof that Montenegro is looking west. Now let's wait for Macedonia.

I've got a feeling that is going to be a hot topic this one.

ben

pre 15 godina

Kosova was EQUAL AMONG EQUALS- this is what ALL ex- YUGO states say when teh recognise Kosova.

This is our ICJ rule- this is a HUGE MORAL victory for the oppressed KOSOVA.

Observer

pre 15 godina

Montenegro as an independent nation has the right to recognize whom it wishes. I simply can’t see why Serbia is so shocked by this decision. Hungary, Croatia, Slovenia, Bulgaria, Albania they all recognized Kosovo. Serbia was not so surprised when they did it so I don’t understand all commotion. Reading through the post one could clearly get an impression that both the PM and the president of Montenegro are dictators and not elected by the people of Montenegro. As far as I am aware Montenegro held fair and free elections. If it was up to some posters in this site they would have Montenegro wage a war in Kosovo. Thank god those times over and new era of cooperation has begun.

Thank you, Montenegro. Thank you, people of Montenegro.

Albion, New York

pre 15 godina

Hvala Crna Gora.
I spent a lot of time in Herceg Novi, a long time a go, 1980's. I was liked as Albanian there, i think because we and Montenegrins share mutual origins. They have typical Albanian physionomy.
Hvala jos jednom Crna Gora, vecna nek vam je slava.

Mark (Shqype)

pre 15 godina

Come on B92, hurry up! Macedonia has just recognized the independence of Kosova, and I'm waiting for you to post the splendid news.

Montenegro and Macedonia have recognized the reality of Kosovar independence on the same day. Thank you both!

Adrian Gashi

pre 15 godina

Montenegro was probably equally pressured by the West and Serbia, and apparently the West has a stronger pull on Montenegro than Serbia does. I find it ironic that the day that Serbia decides to send back its ambassador to Tirana, it pulls the ambassador from Podgorica.
The reason why Serbia is generally detested among the people in the region is that the only means it uses in dealing with neighbors is a whip lash across the face for whomever doesn't want to budge to Belgrade's bullying. But if today's recognitions of Kosova from Montenegro and Macedonia have any symbolic significance that would be that it marks a new low in the trend of Serbia's diminishing influence in the region.

Dashnori i Ceces

pre 15 godina

>>> When will Albania join the EU? Probably in 2050 or even later. You Albanians will have to wait many years to become citizens of the EU.


Mircea, if we steal billions in EU money like you and Bulgaria we can be ready in 2 years.

By the way: THANK YOU. Albanians had a horrible reputation in Italy...until the Romanians (you know, the EU members) got there. Now we're seen as angels.

Dane

pre 15 godina

Simply:

THANK YOU MONTENEGROOO!!!

Kosovo was so happy in a day when you declared your independence. It is good that Kosovo and Montenegro can share at least good experiences and moments and look together towards future. Thanks once again...

AJ Canada

pre 15 godina

Thank you Montenegro, we love you! The same regards I will be sending to Macedonia as well!
In my opinion, Serbia has help speed up the process, cuz all they can say: "we did a favor for you to the resolution, now we want to do the same for Kosovo people". So you didn't loose. it's 1:1. The only thing is that if the number of states increases to the desireable number then it will be a total lose of Serbia but it was engineered to happen.

ZK BG

pre 15 godina

Ahh, finally the Montenegrin government has succumbed to US pressure and completely disgraced the nation.

I was always wondering which country will be the first to revoke recognition and now I know the answer.

Now lets wait and see the predictable media portray the protesters as violent football hooligans. Lets see if this really is about regional stability.

Mark (Shqype)

pre 15 godina

I am very pleased that Montenegro has made the right move in recognizing the reality of Kosova's independence to ensure peace and stability in the region.

Serbia tried to threaten Montenegro, and soon learned that they don't take well to being threatened.

Montenegrins and Serbs are two different peoples. Montenegrins have Albanian ancestry with a Slavic culture that they got from the Serbs, but they have their own identity and the Serbs must realize they will not bow to Serbia's wishes!

Both of my parents were born in the Albanian sections of Montenegro and they are also pleased with the decision. I've long been skeptical of Montenegro's normalization with the Albanians, especially after the wrongful imprisonment of the Albanian political prisoners, but this is a good move in the right direction and I'm grateful for it.

Thanks, Montenegro!

Mark (Shqype)

pre 15 godina

Macedonia has committed itself to peace and stability in the Balkans. It has recognized the reality of Kosovar independence. It's time for the Serbs to accept the reality as well!

Afrim Hoxha

pre 15 godina

Thanks Montenegro, Thanks Macedonia.
We are happy that our two slavic neighbors have accepted the new reality.
Who cares what isolated Cuba has to say as far as we are good with neighbors while Serbia has bitter relation with every neighbors.

Kosovar

pre 15 godina

only Bosnia left now what will serbia do now

threaten more countries where are all those guys who say Macedonia and Montenegro won't recognize Kosova

and all you have to say is USA is pressure on other countries to do so

it means that USA is stronger then Russia because they cant prevent other countries to recognize Kosova

hvala makedonia i crna gora

Dashnori i Ceces

pre 15 godina

>>> "1. Will get Pristina any closer to controlling the north

Serbia will have to cooperate if they want to get EU funds. No force will be used obviously.

>> 2. Will get Pristina to control the enclaves

The enclaves are nto connected to Serbia proper, most want to cooperate (because they have to) but Serbian Gov is making it harder. Eventually they have to integrate and start looking for jobs in Kosova.

>> 3. Will reduce Pristina's utter dependency on international economic handouts

100% of the budget is from taxes and fees. EU and others are helping of course but it's not billions a year. EU is also helping Serbia, Albania etc

Alban

pre 15 godina

>>> "When Macedonia cedes more of its territorial integrity and constitution to the Albanians and becomes a federal state/confederation - and it will one day (see the population growth/demographic numbers, before making any lame comments) Serbia should be the first to recogzine it. That would be payback part one."


Dragan, Albanians are very peaceful people. Patient, but peaceful. There is no need to divide FYROM today or tomorrow. Maybe when FYROM has less SlavMacedonians they might join an Albanian federation, Albanian is already an official language and FYROM-ans will probably start to learn it very soon. Albanians at most will reach 50% in FYROM and then it will slow down, unless Kosovars run out of space and get an invitation. (Fyrom has a lot more land than Kosova) But either way there will be peace in the Balkans.

Srboslav

pre 15 godina

Njegos will turn around in his grave..

But this was expected, Tzar Milo could not expect that the italians would leave him out of indictiment without him having to make some kind of sacrifice...

Benny

pre 15 godina

A true prediction hehe.

It was obvious though and everyone knew it, even those that did not want to believe it, knew it deep down inside that this was going to happen.

It is good for the region in my opinion. This decision does stabilize the Balkans tremendously.

Dashnori i Ceces

pre 15 godina

Thank you Montenegro.

A small payback for having stolen much of our land and backstabbing the Malesore neighbors who fought with you for 500 years only to be attacked by Montenegrins in 1912-1918.

kufr

pre 15 godina

This is interesting. I think the people of Montenegro should take the streets to say what they think about this decision. The Serbian state should also think twice about that recognition of Montenegro and it's borders from two years ago. If Montenegro can't respect the borders of Serbia, why should Serbia respect the borders of Montenegro?

ben

pre 15 godina

The recognition of Kosova by Montenegro is the Montenegrin SECOND declaration of INDEPENCE from Serbia.

Serbs that believe that Montenegrins will turn against their Gov.t DELIBERATELY forget:

1. that the decision was UNANIMOUSLY voted in the Gov.t and
2. that Montenegrins are very proud and will not allow to be blackmailed by Serbia and the pro-Serbian factor in Montenegro- any pro-Serbian action in Montenegro will only homogenise the Montenegrins around their Gov.t

After all- I presume Monetengrians have reckoned: why we should not recognise Kosova- because presumably is the cradle of the Serbian nation- BUT Serbs themselves through their PRESIDENT of the Republic say that they ARE HAPPY to divide the land of their cradle and soul.

Mike

pre 15 godina

This is indeed an unfortunate setback, but I'm not all that worried about it.

First, I know this has little to do with validating Albanian self determination, Albanian historical memory, or any sense of Albanian historical entitlement to Kosovo. It has everything to do with pleasing the EU and the US.

Second, Montenegro's recognition may appear to invalidate its GA vote yesterday. Actually, it kind of makes sense. For one, CG realizes that as a political issue, Kosovo can't be under BG anymore. Regardless of an ICJ ruling, very few people can seriously say that Kosovo's separation from Serbia is reversible. So in this respect, CG is basically accepting the "realities on the ground"

BUT - and here's where Serbia stands to benefit.

Montenegro, in efforts to smooth things over the BG will probably be supportive of any compromise deal that is in the works between BG and Pristina. Recognizing an entity is one thing. Recognizing the legitimate sovereign authority is quite another, and I'd bet that many states that have already recognized, would be equally willing to reconsider the internal dynamics of Kosovo's political system, especially in regards to the K-Serbs.

No doubt the Albanians are jumping for joy at this overly symbolic victory, and no doubt many Serbs are saying that Njgeos must be spinning in his grave. I'm not interested in getting into a nationalist back and forth over this. What I do know is that with an ICJ case in the works, Montenegro, Macedonia, hell, even Greece, can recognize, but that has absolutely no bearing on the internal dynamics and political configurations of Kosovo's future.

At the end of the week, Serbia, in my opinion, still comes out with a gain. CG's recognition is a symbolic victory for the Albanians. A positive GA vote and impending ICJ case is a long term strategic victory.

Ratko, UK

pre 15 godina

Well...the utter greed of the Crna Gora government has come! Obviously faced with exclusion form big money pot they have succumbed to the US, German and other EU nations in recognising Kosovo. This disgraceful act is not about stability it is quite simply all about GREED. May the Crna Gora government and the people that elected them hang their heads in shame!

along with other weak nations, the government of Crna Gora has succumbed to greed.

These weak governments will never learn - it's not about stability....it's about money - the weak US dollar that will now be invested in your region, but will ultimately drive your brothers and sisters away.

Benny

pre 15 godina

Macedonia Adopts Kosovo independence resoluti9on with 85 votes for independence, 1 against and 15 abstentions.

Done deal. I can finally see in the not too distant future a more stabilizing Balkan which together will look forward and become economically viable as this will herald real investments and innovations in the region. Finally.

Bright sky

pre 15 godina

Very COLD shower for Jeremic & co, only a day after the so called 'victory' at the UN.

Do you still believe on negotiations on Kosovo status?

Silly fairytales still popular in Serbia.

Kosovar

pre 15 godina

I hope by this news, Serbian citizens understand that Kosovo deserves independence. I don't expect Vuk Jeremic to understand that, but I expect Serbian citizens because they are the future of Serbia and not Vuk Jeremic. Serbian Government has always used propaganda as a mechanism to blind its citizens. I have friends from Serbia who never believed that Kosovo is the way it is. They thought that there are only ugly, old people, very underdeveloped, etc. This was all thanks to Serbian TVs which presented Kosovo to be like that, and never the truth.

Sincerely I want all Serbs to think that when your brothers recognize us, what do you expect from ICJ? There has never been a better chance for Serbia to join EU and prosper and I hope they will choose that direction instead of Kosovo.

Mike

pre 15 godina

So now Macedonia recognized as well - as if any of us had any surprise there, particularly after CG. At least they can say "well, all the other ex-YU countries did it."

Same thing though that I mentioned after CG: at this point, this is largely symbolic. None of these recognitions - in fact NO recognition other than Albania's - have come with a statement validating Albanian history, historical entitlement, or the Albanian people there. It has always been done "in the name of regional stability" or "the way the winds are blowing" or whatever, and often with heels dragging and excuses being made. It's something when international recognition needs to come from pressure by outside powers and interests doing K-Albanian's work.

People need to realize that a recognition is NOT a pat on the back for the KLA and slap in the face for St. Sava. Far from it. Aside from Albania, no one cares. No one cares who did what to whoever at whatever time. Many Albanians here actually think these recognitions mean the people of the world stand with them. Sorry to say that's not true. Most people don't know where Kosovo is, and don't care to know. Those who disagree with me, I challenge them to prove otherwise.

There is no doubt my mind that these two recognitions were a result of international pressure and enticement. Djukanovic is from the same school as Milosevic. Slobo would have recognized Kosovo and shook hands with Thaci if it paid off for him - Milo is no different.

At the end of the day, Kosovo has three more recognitions in the last 24 hours bringing it to a nice fat 50, but at the same time, none of these recognitions:

1. Will get Pristina any closer to controlling the north

2. Will get Pristina to control the enclaves

3. Will reduce Pristina's utter dependency on international economic handouts

4. Will reduce the rampant corruption in politics

and

5. Stop a debate from taking place at the ICJ

Ataman

pre 15 godina

To Ataman 
You claim that you have no Serbian heritage! You come accross as very consumed with serbian claim of Kosova. Actually, you go to great lengths and pains to defend the Serbian propaganda about Kosova.
(KASTRIOTI, 9 October 2008 20:58)

Roberto and me started from same platform, but came to different conclusions. Like Roberto is not Albanian, I am not a Serb either. Simple. But unlike Roberto I am not very eager to tell much about my person. I don't see here any readiness to make even a truce. Also this is basically a Serbian site. I do not feel, it is kosher for me to go to Koha Ditore and write bunch of nonsense there just to make Albanians angry.

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 15 godina

In another tread, on 9 October 2008 20:58, Canadian wrote:

"Both Montenegro and Macedonia are fully aware how foolish not to mention dangerous it would be to recognize Kosovo now, especially after the USA and UK suffered such a humiliating defeat to Serbia yesterday at the UN."

And he continued with:

"Serbia will not react to Either Montenegro or Macedonia like they did with Croatia and Slovenia if they decide to recognize Kosovo. And the USA and UK are near bankrupt, so their influence is not what it use to be and won't be at least for 5 or 6 years maybe longer in the US case is McCain wins."

In light of the recent announcements from Montenegro and Macedonia, would it then be fair to say that they are brave fools?

Btw - a couple of days ago, I made a post here

http://tinyurl.com/4dujr8

about how time will show who is wrong, and who is right.

Mr. Canadian post above confirms my view, that letting time run is much more efficient at debunking radical and nationalists view than me posting here every 2 hours.
--

Ataman

pre 15 godina

Then you should say the same for those heading your nation
(miri, 9 October 2008 16:00)

I do say even worse. I wrote several times, but probably you did not noticed: the first time I ever visited the territory of Yugoslavia I was 19 year old and I a have no Serbian background, whatever you understand under the word "Serbian".


And please, don't put Tadic an d Rugova in the same sentence.
(miri, 9 October 2008 16:00)

I reserve my right to do so because it does not offend Tadic or Rugova. Both deserve respect, but both made mistakes. Who does not?

Otherwise, offensive tone will just result me to switching to certain mocking-cynical-sarcastic tone. Probably it is not what you like. Thanks!

dave (UK)

pre 15 godina

As someone who is western and supports a democratic vote then if it is decided right or wrong for Montenegro to recognise Kosovo Albanian independence then that is there right, however as a supporter of democracy i fully support the ICJ move by Serbia. The recognition of Kosovo not voted on at the UN is anti-democratic.

If Serbia wishes to use non military efforts against those who recognise Kosovo then its Serbias right to.

I do think they have been blackmailed by the west, no recognition means no EU or money. I am not sure on the ethnic make up of Montenegro but they have given the green light to there minorities to form ethnic states of there own, maybe Albanians there will try to join Kosovo.

I woulld say to any Balkan state looking to join the EU as a meal ticket the funds have dried up. The UK gave Kosovo 17m recently and this was NOT reported in our press, there would be a national out cry if the public knew.

Well done to Serbia on the ICJ

Ataman

pre 15 godina

This is a real proof that Montenegro is looking west.
(Albanian, 9 October 2008 20:06)

Montenegro does not look either west or east. It's where it is (for the time being) and as a country it does not have ears, eyes to look.

As for "milo" - he is the most who can be associated with milosevic on the Balkans today. So why would somebody who was the right hand of milosevic recognize Kosovo? Because milosevic would do the same. Crooks have no principles and both are crooks.

He will suffer probably the same fate: die in prison. He has certainly some difficult issues.

Ultimately a maffiosi and milosevicist did recognize an entity led by marxist-leninist gangsters.

What is wrong with that? I only cross my fingers, there won't be any violence and more trouble. Good relationship between Serbian government and Montenegrin government is probably will suffer. Very unwise move given the low number of possibilities for Montenegrins to work outside of tourism branch.

Aleks

pre 15 godina

"Serbia will have to cooperate if they want to get EU funds. No force will be used obviously."

I sometimes wonder if our dear commenters actually read the news at all or just stick to the information they like.

B92 itself reported on 29 September that Serbia will receive 584 million euros from the EU until 2010:
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=09&dd=29&nav_id=53845

Or 771 million euro since 2007 to 2010:
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/business-article.php?yyyy=2007&mm=07&dd=13&nav_id=42413

Duh!

Arte

pre 15 godina

I think this was going to hapen independetly of Serbian threats to it neighbours, any how. It is an historical, although overdue decision, by Montenegro and Macedonia, who are now joining the western European family decision earlier this year. What? Did you think it was going to be any different? Mantenegro and Macedonia are not any longer under the shadows of Serbia like in the past. They can't be any longer in discordance with the current reality of the Balkans. I this is a very good news for West Balkans in general. Kosova will definitely be a good responsible partner. What do you wait Serbia? When will you recognise Kosova?
Arte

Dan, Pancevo

pre 15 godina

Montenegro (1/3), Macedonia (1/2) and Kosovo (2/3) will be part of a greater ALbania. I forgot to mention, part of Greece and part of Presevo Valley. Realistically that will happen - the U.S. will push for it...and than there will be an Albanian federation or Dardania. Than the Montenegrins, Macedonians, Greeks and Serbs will wake up - though in another land (by American force - which won't last much longer though...each day they get weaker and weaker). Its sad Yugoslavia failed and it had to come to this crap. We let ourselves be divided and conquered. Divided and ruled, and in the end divided and fooled. I just hope the Russian bear wakes up out of hibernation and returns to the Balkans as a protector of real peace and security. Pipe dreams.

Berkeley

pre 15 godina

The only thing what surprises me that there are still some people who are surprised about this move. However, when I think carefully, then I'm actually not surprised.

Anyway, another proof that bilateral recognition realize only on states itself. It would be anyway strange when other can dictate this process. Montenegro has made a good decision. It is the decision of future and stabilization in this region.

genc

pre 15 godina

Mircea,

having I spent so much time in Romania to have a good notion of what it is like and being you Romanian, your comment is double shameless and ridiculous.

Anyway, if you visit Italy don't say it loud what is your nationality, even if it is an EU one.

Dan, Pancevo

pre 15 godina

I find this a very sad day. I can't believe that Macedonia and Montenegro recognized the self-proclaimed republic of Kosovo, after the UN vote. Being a once Yugoslav from Panecevo, who mixed background (read: Serbian, Slovakian and Hungarian)I feel ashamed and humiliated by the 2 countries decisions. It truly is unforgiveable, considering all the Serbs that have been expelled and have no voice in this artifical American colony on European territory. As much of a wound in the heart this will leave, I'm sure the the other Serbian families from Kosovo will think more. P.S. and don't give us this rubbish about
i) European path, integrations, regional stability etc.
Thats all crap from Washington you're all regurgitating. You've created a more unstable part in Europe and created animosities between once brothers. This wound will never heal, nor will it be forgotten.

Dragan, Toronto

pre 15 godina

When Macedonia cedes more of its territorial integrity and constitution to the Albanians and becomes a federal state/confederation - and it will one day (see the population growth/demographic numbers, before making any lame comments) Serbia should be the first to recogzine it. That would be payback part one.

Zoran

pre 15 godina

"only Bosnia left now what will serbia do now

threaten more countries where are all those guys who say Macedonia and Montenegro won't recognize Kosova

and all you have to say is USA is pressure on other countries to do so

it means that USA is stronger then Russia because they cant prevent other countries to recognize Kosova

hvala makedonia i crna gora
(Kosovar, 10 October 2008 00:05)"

When Bosnia (Muslim part) says yes Republika Srpska will be gone next hour and nothing that the EU, US and NATO can do about that. In fact, I believe that the next Balkan war (and only God knows what else may happen) will again start there and considering many current world affairs that are starting to hurt your US and EU masters more (which eventually will lead them to drop financial aid to many puppet regimes) that is something that the west cannot handle.

Steve

pre 15 godina

The reason Macedonia recognized Kosovo is not because they really believe it is Albanian, but because they need American support over the name issue and this way they have secured trust.

Deep inside, Macedonians and Serbians are very close friends, almost brothers, and the educated Serbs understand that the Macedonians have alot of Albanians willing to start trouble like they did in 2001 in Macedonia, and many times in Serbia.

Montenegro, it hurts even more because they are Serbs, I understand.

Kosovo will always be the heart of Serbia, the west thought that if you kill Kosovo, you will kill all Serbs, but they are so wrong. You can kill the heart of Serbia, but you can't kill Serbia in the hearts of Serbs.

God Bless Serbia

MACEDONIA IS MACEDONIAN
KOSOVO IS SERBIAN

Branislav

pre 15 godina

When Montenegro decided to Separate from Serbia, that was explained as their need for independence - although that move acctualy started after Empire(i.e.US) suggested it will be supportive - to dismantle FR Yugoslavia under Milosevic. Many people then thought it is too small to be duly independent.
And we see - after this recognition - and after many "hints" that they will be recognizing Kosovo UDI- because of "pressure", that their politicians really just follow diktat, that is don't act in an independent manner.
Introduction to that move was a statement that Montenegro - "doesn't have the right to ignore reality". Amazing is that the move came just after UN agreed (in significant number) to go for requested opinion for ICJ. Was the "pressure" realty so unbearable - that "inevitable reality" couldn't have been postponed for few more days after that - or is it more true that Montenegro "yieldied very reluctantly" on behest of Empire -at this time,just to lessen it's obvious (and just) defeat in UN?
It just shows how policy should be made by "good disciples" of Empire.

Igor

pre 15 godina

I am sorry Macedonia recognized Kosovo and legalized a decision which directly goes against International Law.

And I sit here and I read all of the comments about how we stabbed you in the back, how we never took Serbia's interests into consideration, and how we committed treason to the Slavic cause. However, I cannot help but wonder where Serbia has been in the past 17 years on the international scene and why has the Serbian state done nothing to defend and support the interests of Macedonia. For 17 long, long years you have sat and done absolutely nothing as you watched Greece bully and humiliate Macedonia every single time the chance presented itself. In 1991 you threatened to bomb us, in 1999 you again threatened to bomb us.
Please, let's not pretend to be the closest of friends. In politics there are no closest of friends, just interests. The Serbian state has followed its own interests through out this period and the difference now is that Macedonia decided to do the same. So, why cry foul now?

Albanian

pre 15 godina

I can't wait to see who's going to be next?
What would serbian people say if Greece recognises Kosovo? Would they kick their ambassador out of Serbia? I don't think so.

Aleks

pre 15 godina

It's amazing what the promise of EU candidate status will bring. We will see in the next few days or weeks what the big EU countries have promised the Montengro that is run by Djukanovic and his cronies and sold off to oligarchs.

I still fail to see what Djukanovic's support of Serbia at the UN for the ICJ was supposed to serve? Did he honestly think that it would upset the Serbs less? Still, he knows who his sugar daddy is.

As for Macedonia, it will be interesting to see if the name dispute with Greece is solved soon too.

Will these recognitions sway any of those states who have still not 'recognized' Kosovo? It is unlikely as the core issue remains - states with potential/restive minorities still face this risk regardless.

One for the Kosovo albanians out there, do any of you think you will join the EU before Serbia?

Obvious

pre 15 godina

Nothing suprising here, it was to be expected. I'm not suprised theat the K-ALbanians are jumping for joy. The delusion of independence lasts another day. I don't see any reason for the Serbs to be upset either. This is not the Montenegrin people but a rogue government. Keep your heads cool- the struggle will last a long time and if Serbs cant have Kosovo neither will the Albanians.

lee coleman

pre 15 godina

just a quick note to adam . nobody takes russia seriously ? as an englishman and londoner at that we take russia very seriously thank you . they may not change anything for serbia or on the kosovo issue itself , but before you make such sweeping statments please consider that russia will probably become the most important region for europe and indeed the northern hemispere in the next 10-20 years . unless you intend to fuel your car and heat your home with goats milk or potatoes i suggest you do a little research .

nik

pre 15 godina

Steve:"Deep inside, Macedonians and Serbians are very close friends, almost brothers"

May be it is true for people like you who really hate their roots, break the memorial plate of Mara Buneva and try to erase the Ohrid uprising of 1913 when both Bulgarian and Albanian rebels defied the Serbian occupator. from the history books. It is sorry to say that you live in an Yugoslavian dream world where the secular "Macedonist" pseudoreligion was created. Well it is time to wake up and see the real world. No serious historian will ever "recognize" the existing of a Macedonian ethnicity before the 1930's, you will go through a humiliating procedure if having to change your name. You alienated your real friends, now your ostensive friends will impose sanctions on you.

Gojko

pre 15 godina

I can't wait to see who's going to be next?
What would serbian people say if Greece recognises Kosovo? Would they kick their ambassador out of Serbia? I don't think so.
(Albanian, 11 October 2008 09:09)

Greece already recognized Kosovo as did Romania! Once a country accepTS Kosovo's passports then they informally recognized. The rest is just a formality!


(Dan, Pancevo, 11 October 2008 03:00)

America is not looking for a greater Albania. I promise you that. To America all three of those countries are the same and are puppets for the US AND EU. USA will support Montenegro's and Macedonia's territorial integrity.

Serbia= Russia
Croatia= Ukraine
Slovenia= Georgia
Bosnia= Lithuania
etc....
Get the picture. Serbia is the "bad guy" just like Russia. The rest are puppets I am sorry what I meant to see is that they are allies to the USA. I just wonder what will happen to Montenegro's and Russia's relationship.

Stutor

pre 15 godina

Milo returned to power in quite other reasons. One who rules the energy of state governments. Montenegrin struggle for power has yet to be. In this war will be a lot of battles. Djukanovic is the only soldier who should lead to the end. This Montenegro will lose their sovereignty forever.

hoshie

pre 15 godina

Hello All,

Before I begin, let me thank B92 for the having the news on the region in english. The coverage here is better than most of the news outlets here in the US who dumb-down and confuse everything.

As for Montenegro's and FYR Macedonia's recognition of Kosovo, is anyone surprised? These folks want to be in the EU and NATO and to be in the club you have to play by the rules. As for Montenegro, I see this as part of a trend. This is the Montenegro that met with the West during the events of 1999 and replaced the dinar with the German mark during the same time period.

As for the the Kosovo issue in general, I agree with what has happened so far due to the fact the majority wanted it. However my happiness is muted by the lack of an agreement on both sides on the issue.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 15 godina

ts better to be Americas puppet, than Serbias/Russias King.
(Preniqi, 11 October 2008 17:09)

In an ideal world all states would be independent and express full sovereignty over their lands, peoples and borders. However as you have seen (unless you live under a rock) the US is bankrupt, all $10 trillion of it and its influence is waning - fast, thanks to Iraq, Afghanistan and the global credit crunch.

I'd say it must be getting pretty crowded under that rock.