Portugal recognizes Kosovo

Henry Kissinger's comment about the condition of the Europeans currently::

"The Europeans are economic giants, political dwarfs, and military worms!""

This says it all I think... one more european state with zero political strength and importance following the "loyal crowd" of Americans.

Following them to their illegal acts, no matter if they want it or believe it's true. Their opinion does not matter any more. Their fear that they might "displease" the americans does.

In a few years nobody will care what "portugal" or any other similar state say or does. Just one more puppet in the que...

Kosovo is totally illegal, and it is certain that it will never be a country...

Recognising Kosovo is becoming a neccessity for peace and stability in the Balkans.

Thank you Portugal for contributing to peace, freedom and democracy.

The only way forward.

Dear all, No matter how celebrations are going to be tonight in Kosovo, let me make the following very clear: the vast majority of the Portuguese public opinion in against the recognition of this pseudo-sate. I can only repeat that I am ashamed as Portuguese.

I just feel ashame of being Portuguese.
(Bosko)

Even I was ashamed once in while for being called a Yugoslav and holding a Yugo pass. Now, I am proud that I have a state called Kosovo, and hold a Kosovar passport.

I just feel ashame of being Portuguese. The first time in my life... Let me tell the world that this type of decision is typical from our socialist goverments. It happen the same with our former colonies, when the SOLD them, without any supervision. Why Portugal was diplomatic fighting for East Timor? Very sad from the Portuguese governants. Its time to Azores, Madeira and Basc territories fight for their independence. Mr. Jose Socrates, Mr. Amado, Mr. Cavaco Silva, SHAME ON YOU.

He also said that Portugal will support Serbian initiative at UN... Can you understand? There are so many contradictions... This Luis Amado is a clown (in Portuguese we say: palhaço). No one takes him serious here. From my side and of the majority of the Portuguese society, I would like to say sorry for this absurd decision...

What a bizzare decision. You can be sure that there was bribery going on under the table, since there was absolutely nothing to gain by Portugal by recognizing. This Portugues government is weak, and an embarrassment.
As for all the albanians here who are jumping with glee like little schoolgirls - aren't you ashamed that nobody wants to recognize you on your own merits, but will only do so when threatened or bribed??
Enjoy your fake state while it lasts, I can guarantee you it is only temporary :). Your colonial master is falling apart, bankrupt, and losing strength by the day. Once they are out of Kosovo, we all know what will happen.
Cheers!!

Carlos: it makes not even a smalest diffreence if you agree or not on recognition.

THIS IS NOT REFERENDUM mate.

And why should you be ashamed??? because an entire nation that was thrown out from their homes now will have the international backing that that misery will never happen to them again???

I have Portuguese friends- with highest education in top Portuguese and British schools and THEY DO SUPPORT KOSOVA believe me.

Muito Obrigado Portugal!!!

Thank You from all of us in Kosovo and abroad!

22 gone and only 5 left in EU,that's not bad at all!

What a beautiful Wednesday is going to be!
May everyone have a wonderful day and for one day let's forget hatred,let's love each other!

Gezuar and Ziveli from London!

Im portugese as well as Carlos and i do agreee with my own government decision. We portugese dont know much about balkans but when it came to supporting a country that has suffer under yugoslavia , i do support it. It is true that most of Portugal people identify albanians as mediterranians and we do like them.

Amado said that the Portuguese government’s decision would help “strengthen the links between the EU and NATO“.
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It's quite interesting to read that all of the countries being arm twisted into recognition seem only to talk about EU and NATO interests. It is quite obvious that they have no concern whatsoever for the Albanians and this really is just about strengthening the occupation.

It really must hurt the West that Spain, Greece, Cyprus, Romania and Slovakia continue to stand firm and resist this illegal act. I think only Greece has potential to switch but I doubt the others will.

However, further recognitions make no difference as Kosovo independence has failed and the overwhelming majority of the world will stand firm and principled on this issue while Serbia and Serbians will always have the last say.

Good luck Kosovo Albanians, on your own isolation.

First results of the Serbia's intiative in the GA are being harvested.

So Luis Amado portugal was a WEAK nation after all coz you "bowed" to the pressures of the US and the EU elites. Shame on your country!!! you could have at least waited the decision of the ICJ on the legality of the UDI before making such rubbish decision.

To miri::

I don't know if Greece is a moisquitoe or not, compared to the whole of EU. If you consider her size, compared to her military strength and political and economic power in the region, most probably it is not.

All I know is that my country is one of the last ones standing firm, on this tottaly illegal (almost provocative) act by the americans, followed by their (political dwarfs, military worms) "puppet" allies.

Greece is a country that is continuously proving to EVERYONE that it cannot be pressured by ANYONE, to follow acts that are against her interests and international law as well. Unfortunately, very few countries do that.

Greece will never recognise Kosovo as an independent state simply because it was illegaly and barbarically stolen from Serbia. As simple as that. It does not belong to Albanians, it has been a serbian land for hundreds of years, and albanians are occupiers there. Nothing more.

Into the eyes of the majority of the Greek people (11 million in Greece and 10 million worldwide), land stealers and occupiers (like the Kosovar Albanians) cannot be recoginsed ever.

For Greece, Kosovo is an illegal protectorate, that has turned to the center of criminality and corruption in the whole Europe, and OF COURSE it has absolutely nothing with a country.

Portugal is recognising in the 'interests of the state' - in other words to keep in with the 'gang' (by name and nature).

To all the Portugese people on this site who are ashamed: as a British person I can totally relate. This entire illegal theft of land is the shame of Europe, and I'm sure that many people know this in our governments.

Why else would the UK want to amend the Serbian proposal to the ICJ at the last minute? Because it is obvious that Serbia is in the right.

This move by Portugal is unfortunate but irrelevant, because even one more recognition won't make a difference if the ICJ hearing goes ahead. There will be several countries, the first being Costa Rica, who will either reverse their recognition, freeze their decision, or put full recognition on hold.

If all goes as expected, and the ICJ ruling goes ahead, the issue will go back to the negotiating table. It suits none of the major players to have this situation continue under the cloud of a legal ruling.

If the ICJ is truly impartial it will obviously say that the declaration of independence was illegal, and how can any nation recognise an illegal declaration?

Far better to sort this out with a mutual agreement between Serbia and provincial leaders in Kosovo. That way, the two entities can move on, join international bodies etc.

It suits nobody to remain in limbo.

Good luck today Mr Jeremic. You have legal right on your side.

Ataman (!?),
I think your sarcastic "Buda" is pathetic!
No we could agree that Ratko Mladic was indian, or hero!
He saved 8000 muslims in Srebrenica!
You should read som history books written by neutral scientist about the teritory where Kosova is situated before you say nonsense!
The becomong member of EU of Kosova is in fact to the benefit of all balkan countries who are EU members as the whole Balkans should becomme memebers.

Good day Europe, good day Kosovo, good day Pristina! Portugal - 48 points! Thank you Portugal...

Good luck Kosovo on your own way...

"“Acknowledging the legality of its decision, Russia directly acknowledged the legality of Kosovo’s independence "too,“

- so what happened to Sui Generis - is Portugal now about to recognise Abkasia and South Ossetia given its argument for recognising the illegal declaration by the ethnic Albanians in Serbia's UN recognised soverign territory?

Sui generis is now defunct as a an argument and has been stated as such by the Portugese - this is a dangerous precedence that the US and its poodles in the EU have set and has clearly created a hard split with the EU. What nation is next in line with such precedence as forced partition of a nation along ethnic lines. Clearly the EU rae pushing more and more for a partition within partition and have now accepted the precedence of overruling international norms and laws.

We can only guess the ethnic Russians in Estonia and Latvia can learn a thing or two from the EU technocrats who say its ok for partition along ethnic lines if their minority rights are continued to be trampled upon by the Estonian and Latvian govts.

Which other country in Europe can be next - Croatia ? Bosnia ? FYROM ? Moldova? Ukraine? Belguim? Spain? France? UK? given the Portugese affirmation that Sui Generis never existed so they can recognise????

Oh what a tangled web the EU weave...

Sadly Portugal showed the world that they would fall under preassure from the NATO and US.
Thankfully Spain has more spine than Portugal does..

Like a parrot he is repeating his master's words. How does it feel to be a slave?

It is a great news for the Balkans. I do believe that this decision was taken at the most important time and shows that Serbia's opposition to Kosova's independence is immoral and has nothing to do with justice. I do believe that more countries from the Balkans, Latin America, Asia and Africa will follow with recognitions very soon.

He also said that Portugal will support Serbian initiative at UN... Can you understand? There are so many contradictions... This Luis Amado is a clown (in Portuguese we say: palhaço). No one takes him serious here. From my side and of the majority of the Portuguese society, I would like to say sorry for this absurd decision...

What a lesson from Portugal.

Thank you for the recognition but above all the lesson that this recognition brings.

Two in one: Russian hypocrisy is completely unvealed and teh Spain position is very wekened now. Two major factors that slowed the recognition process. Now all we need is our two neighbours Montenegro and Macedonia.

Portuguese people are proud people, with culture and rich history.
To say that they are ashamed to be Portuguese because their government recognized Kosova is beyond me, even though I do not believe it for a second they these so called Portuguese posters here are in fact Prtuguese.
Anyway, thank you again PORTUGAL, Fico country.

Muito OBRIGADO Portugal!
Thank you Portugal!
Te falemnderit portugal!
To "The greek"

You have no clue about Kosovas history!
The ocupied territory is Chameria, ocupied by Grecce!
The minorities in Greece has no rights at all!
Greece should be out of EU and perhaps a member of Russian Union if the most of you greeks share your opinion. I hope not!
Albanians lived in Kosova (Dardania), even before you greeks lived in Balkans!

Unlucky Serbia. I wonder which EU state will be pressured into recognising next? My bet is on Greece as they have already recognised the Kosovo passport and have hinted about recognition previously.
Kosovo 48; Abkahzia and S Ossetia 2.
Go on Kosovo!

"Im portugese as well as Carlos and i do agreee with my own government decision. We portugese dont know much about balkans but when it came to supporting a country that has suffer under yugoslavia , i do support it. It is true that most of Portugal people identify albanians as mediterranians and we do like them.
(José Silva, 8 October 2008 14:30)"

I knew something like this would be posted ...since our dear albanian friends couldn´t let it stay like it was - they just had to invent some Portuguese who "loves" Albanians... lol

well, I´d say: credibility less than zero!

as for Portugal, it is not a tiny island-state, BUT, and that´s quite interesting here, it seems like they did it just because they know that giving in to pressure NOW is better in regard to the fact that they can revoke that anytime in the future, especially when the ICJ-ruling turns out to be in favor of Serbia.

then, all this happy-clapping will only look like senseless jumping...

bottom-line is: I do not have any bad feelings at all, since the majority in Portugal is against this shameful act, and as soon as it becomes clear that even the ICJ calls it illegal... we will see what happens.

as a last word, one comment to Olli:

"as long as our masters are not Serbia, we accept the situation"

you are right on this, Olli, that´s the absurd and quite stupid approach of the seperatist-terrorists.

they do not want their fellow K-albanians to realize that Serbia does not want to be their master, and that they are harming themselves...

it will take some time until they realize that, especially in regard to the fact that many K-albanians are young, they need time to learn, as all young poeple do need time for learning.

but one thing is quite clear, Serbia will prevail. the "recognition" by Portugal made that even clearer! it tells us that someone must be quite nervous because of the ICJ-process...

Portugal has just made my home life difficult. As a Canadian of Yugoslav descent, married to a Canadian of Portuguese descent I am surprised at the decision of the Portuguese government. Recognizing justice and in turn international law, the Portuguese should have at least waited until the ICJ ruled on the legitimacy of the unjust unilateral declaration of independence from Kosovo. I only hope that the Portuguese people don't suffer the same type of humilation that the Serbian people are going through now when the Azores decide to separate from Portugal. It is the end of "nations" as we know it!!

I wish Mr Amado to explain, ho the recognition of the "Cosa Nostra Republic of Kosovo", strengthens the link between the EU and NATO... Mr Amado.. you missed school the day they teached algebra..RIGHT.

Well done Serbia

CC

Thank you PORTUGAL (perfect timing)
22 done > 5 more to go

First let me thank Portugal for the recognition of Kosova.
This means a lot to us Albanians.
Now i will go more often to Prtuguese restaurant, i like their food, and especially their bread. There is a restaurant near where I live is called "Costa Verde" it is good, and very good Portuguese staff.
I will go there this friday night, and have double lobster tail and bottle of DAO whine, I will celebrate it.

Very good news I must say.

Next to reconize will be Montengro and macedonia. After that also Greece will follow. Then Romania,Cyprys and Slovakia can feel like outsiders in a free European union. Eventelly they also will reconize Kosovo. The recognition-procces will go slow but will not end. In one year or two the 190 UN member states will reconize Kosovo. Beside Serbia and Russia.


And for those serbian goverments who is lying to the serbian people that Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia. Go to Kosovo and look if you see serbian police patrolling the streets ? Or the serbian flag on state instututions ? Why is it a boundry between Kosovo and Serbia if Kosovo are an integral part of Serbia ? The signs in Macedonia,Montengro and Albania clearly shows where you going when you drive to kosovo. The boundry sign shows clear 'Welcome to the republic of Kosovo'.

In other words stop wasting time and stop fooling the serbian citizens who pay Tadic and Jeremic to visit countrys and eat fancy dinners. Insteed tell the people that Kosovo is lost and use the money on welfare or somthing positive.

Good Day Today!!

"Jose Silva" - I made a spelling error when I wrote 'Portugese' instead of 'Portuguese'.

I doubt very much that anyone 'from Portugal' would make the same error - nobody else has.

José Silva, De que parte de Portugal és tu? Os portugueses gostam dos albaneses? Isto é absolutamente ridículo!! (To José Silva and to all Albanian who have doubts about my nationality! B92 is free to provide my email as well!)

Portugal recognised Kosovo only because Albania will sell the soccer match next week. Yup.

After that they will retract it just like the others, by Mr Jeremic's word.

Seriously, this recognition, coming the day before the ICJ ruling and despite the Russian pressure, is a cold shower for both Mr Jeremic and Mr Tadic.

We are aware it was a tough desicion to make.

Thank you Portugal!

Serbia will be next to recognize us :D

For a country whose name means the "Gate of the Holy Grail" selling out the Serbs Holy Grail to a common enemy will come back to bite you.

The reasons are getting more twisted and extraordinary

By this FM's reckoning there are no rules but the rule of might.

This will have to be corrected in the same manner then.

You remember the Templars FM who took refuge in your lands?

As for the geopolitics and status quo you allude to it has evaporated and sounds like a relic from the age of folklore.

You will quickly discover that your rules of "no rules" will be the measure of the turmoil and catastrophe that will befall that dear old lady you all reside in wrongly named Europe.

"Breaking News- Romania and Slovakia do recognise the issued passports by Kosovo Republic"

Artan, Breaking news - you're smoking some good quality stuff. Please share!

"Good luck Kosovo Albanians, on your own isolation.
(ZK BG)"

Remember the old joke, a guy listening to the radio while driving. There is an announcement, to be careful, cause one madman is driving at high speed opposite the traffic on the motorway. The guy says: only one, all of them are driving the wrong way...

This driver is Serbia at the moment. You cry out from your cage, saying that the ones outside are isolated. I wonder why it doesn't occure to some Serbians that it is NOT US or Nato forcing its opinion on other nations but we are tired of this "loud ministate" that is endangering world peace. There are some (as some say unimportant or insignificant) countries that for some shameful reasons or fear of wrongdoing on the past, such as mistreatment of minorities or just simply sitting on the territory of amother country are afraid of supporting self determination of the Kosovar people.

What about Portugal?

Is this also a tiny island state with a small population that has absolutely no relevance whatsoever anywhere?

Thank you very much Portugal

To The Greek:
"The Europeans are economic giants, political dwarfs, and military worms!""

This says it all I think... one more european state with zero political strength and importance following the "loyal crowd" of Americans"

Imagine what Greece, Romania, Cyprus and Slovakia are compared individually to EU.
Probably mosquitoes.

Breaking News- Romania and Slovakia do recognise the issued passports by Kosovo Republic.

I wonder where this will end ??

Spain, Latin America, Arab league…….

another pupet state eh...
very soon crna gore olso macedonia

who cares what UN SC vote is going to be anyway... most powerfull states in EU say yes to kosovo...

cheers

well done portugal

Weasel words:

"....following .... Moscow’s decision to recognize the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

“Acknowledging the legality of its decision, Russia directly acknowledged the legality of Kosovo’s independence too,“ said the minister.

The truth is actually:

“Acknowledging the legality of the Kosovo UDI, The West directly acknowledged the legality of Moscow's policy in South Ossetia and Abkhazia,“

... is the real truth.

The logic is along the lines "I'm a criminal, but he is a criminal too, so that's ok".

Portugal has bent to NATO - the timing makes that perfectly clear. How weak that was.

Breaking News- Romania and Slovakia do recognise the issued passports by Kosovo Republic.

I wonder where this will end ??

(Artan, 8 October 2008 16:39)

Where? If you are careful, just in the hotel bed, with bad mood, stolen money, stolen passport of Kosovo Republic, headache and very angry g/f.
If not - than same thing, but in the emergency room near Damstraat in Oude Zijd.

congratulations, Portugal, congratulations Kosovo/a. and what perfect timing, the very day that the tadic/jeremic regime is having its orgy of self-congratulations for giving Kosovo/a a good clubbing. c'est la vie...

anyway, as i have said so many times, it is a bump in the road. we'll take it a day at a time. i've never been afraid of the ultimate icj ruling, unless those judges are totally brain-dead. their genocide (in bosnia) ruling was pathetic but still partially accurate, though blgd ignored it, as they will the next one...

the main thing is the amendments, and also how successful blgd/moscow will be at bullying and intimidating the other nations before and leading up to the ruling. my feeling is not so very.

cheers! and again, thanks portugal, and thank you to all of our frnds and allies!

roberto

i think the next will be montenegro and macedonia (99% sure)

Dear all, No matter how celebrations are going to be tonight in Kosovo, let me make the following very clear: the vast majority of the Portuguese public opinion in against the recognition of this pseudo-sate. I can only repeat that I am ashamed as Portuguese.
(Carlos, Portugal, 8 October 2008 13:37)

Do you run some sort of polling agency? Because I could easily claim the opposite. (not that I am a proud Portugese but that the public opinion is in favor of K-Independence).

To the general coir;

We'll be here when Greece and Spain also make their recognitions a reality and we'll continue this fruitless discussion on what country is still standing firm against "imperialist west" and what country has turned into a "puppet".
The disappointment for Serbia and its political elite is going to deepen even further. Every day that goes by is a lost opportunity in all economic political and social aspects. Banging your head in to the wall is not a solution. Serbia's politicians have fed enough of Kosova's issue, the well is running dry.

I wonder what would be the threshold of recognitions that would make Serbia's politicians to give up on the lost battle? The "Never! and Ever!" type of answers don't work well today in the political and most importantly in economic arena.

miri
"Imagine what Greece, Romania, Cyprus and Slovakia are compared individually to EU.
Probably mosquitoes."

Can you sleep with even one mosquito in the room? Personally, I find it impossible.

It is not ok at all for anybody to throw insults on countries because of their decision to recognise the UDI or not so it's not ok to insult Portugal now or any other non recognising country.

The only pitiful thing is when a government takes a decision that is not debated and accepted by their people. If people accept it, then Vox Populi Vox Dei. If not, the same.

Congratulations Kosovo, 22 out of 27!!!
Do not forget to thank the Russian for there help!!!

Thanks and God Bless!!!

22 on 27 Now we have reached the target number that at the end of 2007 an aid of mr.Dalema told the press that were ready of recognize kosovo ...still the lack of recognitions by countries of the world is a big question mark over the tiny balkan state..particulary from the muslim world the silence is embarassing..

Now we can verify the consequences of Russian recognition of North Ossetia and Abkhazia, easily forcasted one could say. By the way, North ossetia and Abkhazia have been recognized only by Russia and Nicaragua: what a support for Russia in the world!!!

This recognition shows how meaningless the UN vote is. In the end, the judges will anyway reject Serbia's iniative. Kosovo is independent. EU country number 22 confirms it. Case closed.

Cheers!

Hashim Thaci has just confirmed during a press conference that "Romania and Slovakia have recognized the Republic of Kosovo passports," expressing gratitude for both countries' contribution on maintaining the stability in the Balkans. Thaci also thanked Portugal for recognizing the independence of Kosovo.

This now means that all the EU countries who had no reservations as to Kosovo's independence have recognized.

It would be interesting to see what happens with Spain, Romania, Greece, Slovakia and Cyprus, especially after the ICJ ruling when it comes.

Who cares about Portugal and so on. The most important thing is that Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and the rest of Stans don't recognize Kosova :) Oh by the way, I forgot to mention African brothers also :D

First let me thank Portugal for the recognition of Kosova.
This means a lot to us Albanians.
(Albion, New York, 8 October 2008 14:56)

You should thank some people within the government of Portugal. Personal friendships and marriages can happen between Serbs and Kosovo Albanians. There is no "friendship" at the government level.

Serbia won (as expected) the GA vote today. There is nothing to thank, cheer (or for Albanians to jeer) about this, there were representatives of countries out there and except 6, all decided that siding with Serbian government is more beneficial for them. That may seriously impact a lot of things, but there is no "friendship", just business. Serbian government (in particular: Mr. Jeremic) successfully did convince most voters, Serbia is a better business.

This meets my opinion, but there is nothing personal there.

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Now i will go more often to Prtuguese restaurant, i like their food, and especially their bread.
(Albion, New York, 8 October 2008 14:56)

Good for you, Albion. Good bread in America is a very rare find. We had only one Serbian place in the entire South Bay and NOTHING Albanian. Later Serbs closed down as everything became more Chinese in the area.

But in Budapest and Belgrade we miss good quality and cheap Vietnamese, Thai places. If you want to get a heart attack, go to Chinese restaurant in Belgrade and look at the prices. We eat at "Szeráj" Turkish restaurant, near Nygati station in Budapest once in a while: great food, very reasonable prices and very clean. Restaurant Sindelic in Belgrade is not cheap, but very-very good.

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Well, there's a surprise. Oh well.
(Mike, 8 October 2008 15:52)

I expected it for today and you would be able to read my posting few days ago - if it wouldn't go into some mystical place inside B92. It happens not just with Roberto or Ben.

Thank You Very Much Portugal.
who is next?
Boise USA

I have Portuguese friends- with highest education in top Portuguese and British schools and THEY DO SUPPORT KOSOVA believe me.
(ben, 8 October 2008 14:51)

Yes Ben, I believe you. You are 100% right in any case.

1) If you tell the truth: than nothing to add.

2) Otherwise everything is true for the elements of the empty set.

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_set

Each day this all is getting more and more interesting! It really looks that Kosovo is a special, very special case:

"Amado: Portuguese government’s decision would help strengthen the links between the EU and NATO."

Kosovo independence truly is an asset in a big game today, but not a matter per se anymore –even if the Big Powers so spoke only few moments ago. The question is about something else than about the "independence or not" of Kosovo.

And the conclusion of this? Becoming a game asset Kosovo is less and less independent. It may have had Serbia as it's old master –today it has new masters. What's been created is Kosovo that remains a subordinate country controlled by others. What is being recognized is Kosovo’s dependency, not independency. Albanian Kosovars naturally have nothing against this since "as long as our master isn't Serbia we accept the situation".

The behaviour and politics of both Serbs and Albanians have brought us to this point. The most accurate account is to put the blame on both of them. No matter how deep into history we look at.

An intelligent policy is to have friends near and to keep enemies in distance. The Balkan Syndrome is to have it exactly the opposite way.

Eat it.

"when the Azores decide to separate from Portugal."

My mothers family is from the Azores. I go to Portugal every two years. The Azores has been a Special Admin Area for centuries. Why would they seperate. If they were going to they should have done it in 1975, when Portugal divested its foreign positions. Please. and to the comment about Basks, no Bask region in Portugal.

As a Portuguese citizen, I applaud this decision of my country, although it should have come a long time ago. Independence for Kosovo was the only viable solution for this conflict, period. Serbia should come to terms with this and embrace the future.

Well, there's a surprise. Oh well.

Mr. "Greek".

Weren't you who said the following:

-BEGIN QUOTE
"Henry Kissinger's comment about the condition of the Europeans currently::

"The Europeans are economic giants, political dwarfs, and military worms!""

This says it all I think... one more european state with zero political strength and importance following the "loyal crowd" of Americans. "

-END OF QUOTE:

I merely was quoting what you said earlier.
I don't think Greece or any country is a mosquito, it was a sarcasm to invalidate your earlier statement. Even an individual it's not a mosquito.

It is troubling how people like you get upset when someone steps in their toes, while the same time you are so consistent in offending the others.

To Adrian, I had no intention to insult Romania or any country so I am sorry if my comment did not come in the right way. I think you know what I mean!

Greece should be out of EU and perhaps a member of Russian Union if the most of you greeks share your opinion. I hope not! Albanians lived in Kosova (Dardania), even before you greeks lived in Balkans!
(Filip, 8 October 2008 21:38)

1) EU is your dream, but without that Greece you will be stuck.
2) We already agreed, Buddha was Albanian.

To make it clear, like Miri did.

Sarcastic comments are not aimed at countries like Albania, ethnics as whole and so on. The origin of Albanians is somewhat disputed, there is a minority, non-mainstream opinion that they originate from Caucasus and have ties to medieval Albanian Kingdom (ca. where Ossetia is now). Most would agree, the nation called "Shquip" gained that name relatively recently, but lived fairly long in Balkan Peninsula.

How long - we just don't know. There is no 100% proven tie between "Illyrians" and Shquips in general, precisely like there in no direct tie between modern-day Hungarians and Shumers or Huns, even if there is a significant overlapping with many things. Number one, the population was dilluted between many tribes (at least 10 for Hungarians) from the begin on, number two, the stretch of the time is simply to long.

Statements like "Albanians lived in Kosova (Dardania), even before you greeks lived in Balkans!" are not good for several reasons:

- It is not proven by the mainstream at all.
- It does sound funny for the posters here, who DELIBERATELY do not want to engage themself into Hittite-Polish-Russian (PROVEN, Hittite language decyphered by Polish scientists) relationship
- It does sound funny for Hungarians, who can easily "claim" (like Dardanian link not mainstream but much more evidence on hand) Sumerian roots. In the fact, every Hungarian can swear Sumerian... And the swearwords are the most archaic ones

- After all, in 21st Century it does not matter, the pre-Dardanian monkey was first to climb down the tree or it was a pre-Sumerian monkey. History is good to learn from the past, but who abuses it for the Dardanian-Sumerian-Hittite insanity, does not teach anything good for the future.

Most strongly this triviality applies to what I call "FYROMANIA". It is not to insult their great country, one of our favorite. It is to mock the anti-scientific insanity certain politicians. I just cannot believe, how low they can fall. "Dardania" is IMO barely better, but at least according the mainstream teachings, Albanians can claim, they are aboriginal tribe in the area, even if perhaps they aren't directly related to Illyrians.


But again, I have to reiterate, being "Illyrian", "Sumer", "Hittite" does not mean much today. The descendants of most ancient Sumers today in Vojvodina have no more and no less rights to be happy than Roms, who didn't came before 14th Century to the area.

That particular case is closed. I want to re-iterate, my sentence "We already agreed, Buddha was Albanian" was to mock the absurdity of the topic, nothing else. Apologies, if anyone did feel offended.

who cares what UN SC vote is going to be anyway... most powerfull states in EU say yes to kosovo...

cheers
(berat, 8 October 2008 11:00)

Borat,
You asked who cares, the albanians should care if they ever want to join UN, Nato, EU with their illegal "Kosova" !

Luckily the north and the enclaves dont belong to Pristina anyway...

How successful blgd/moscow will be at bullying and intimidating the other nations before and leading up to the ruling. my feeling is not so very.
(roberto, 8 October 2008 21:46)

I don't see they will "bully" and "intimidate" for several reasons:

a) Belgrade don't even need. The Slavic-Albanian controversy within Crna Gora and FYROM itself is big enough problem for confusion. Add the historical insanity what Gruevski does preach and you have a perfect circus.

b) Moscow is even further from that than Belgrade. Much of the controversy is due bush himself. Not that I would excuse putin & co. ... but as for Medvedjev, I can write you maybe interesting things.

Much will change after Nov. 4 and as I see the race, there is a good probability, the world will be better.

I am not so sure you really understand, what is in Belgrade or Moscow, what they feel and after all, who they are. I am starting from similar position like you. With my own experience (and more luck regarding languages) I have currently a completely opposite opinion.

There is much I cannot write here. I decided to give it a chance and I did send you an e-mail. Following what I wrote, you can find me if you really like. Let's see, how it develops.

All the best.

Recognising Kosovo is becoming a neccessity for peace and stability in the Balkans.

Thank you Portugal for contributing to peace, freedom and democracy.

The only way forward.

I just feel ashame of being Portuguese.
(Bosko)

Even I was ashamed once in while for being called a Yugoslav and holding a Yugo pass. Now, I am proud that I have a state called Kosovo, and hold a Kosovar passport.

Muito Obrigado Portugal!!!

Thank You from all of us in Kosovo and abroad!

22 gone and only 5 left in EU,that's not bad at all!

What a beautiful Wednesday is going to be!
May everyone have a wonderful day and for one day let's forget hatred,let's love each other!

Gezuar and Ziveli from London!

Carlos: it makes not even a smalest diffreence if you agree or not on recognition.

THIS IS NOT REFERENDUM mate.

And why should you be ashamed??? because an entire nation that was thrown out from their homes now will have the international backing that that misery will never happen to them again???

I have Portuguese friends- with highest education in top Portuguese and British schools and THEY DO SUPPORT KOSOVA believe me.

First results of the Serbia's intiative in the GA are being harvested.

Im portugese as well as Carlos and i do agreee with my own government decision. We portugese dont know much about balkans but when it came to supporting a country that has suffer under yugoslavia , i do support it. It is true that most of Portugal people identify albanians as mediterranians and we do like them.

It is a great news for the Balkans. I do believe that this decision was taken at the most important time and shows that Serbia's opposition to Kosova's independence is immoral and has nothing to do with justice. I do believe that more countries from the Balkans, Latin America, Asia and Africa will follow with recognitions very soon.

Thank you PORTUGAL (perfect timing)
22 done > 5 more to go

What a lesson from Portugal.

Thank you for the recognition but above all the lesson that this recognition brings.

Two in one: Russian hypocrisy is completely unvealed and teh Spain position is very wekened now. Two major factors that slowed the recognition process. Now all we need is our two neighbours Montenegro and Macedonia.

Very good news I must say.

Next to reconize will be Montengro and macedonia. After that also Greece will follow. Then Romania,Cyprys and Slovakia can feel like outsiders in a free European union. Eventelly they also will reconize Kosovo. The recognition-procces will go slow but will not end. In one year or two the 190 UN member states will reconize Kosovo. Beside Serbia and Russia.


And for those serbian goverments who is lying to the serbian people that Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia. Go to Kosovo and look if you see serbian police patrolling the streets ? Or the serbian flag on state instututions ? Why is it a boundry between Kosovo and Serbia if Kosovo are an integral part of Serbia ? The signs in Macedonia,Montengro and Albania clearly shows where you going when you drive to kosovo. The boundry sign shows clear 'Welcome to the republic of Kosovo'.

In other words stop wasting time and stop fooling the serbian citizens who pay Tadic and Jeremic to visit countrys and eat fancy dinners. Insteed tell the people that Kosovo is lost and use the money on welfare or somthing positive.

Good Day Today!!

Muito OBRIGADO Portugal!
Thank you Portugal!
Te falemnderit portugal!
To "The greek"

You have no clue about Kosovas history!
The ocupied territory is Chameria, ocupied by Grecce!
The minorities in Greece has no rights at all!
Greece should be out of EU and perhaps a member of Russian Union if the most of you greeks share your opinion. I hope not!
Albanians lived in Kosova (Dardania), even before you greeks lived in Balkans!

Good day Europe, good day Kosovo, good day Pristina! Portugal - 48 points! Thank you Portugal...

Good luck Kosovo on your own way...

He also said that Portugal will support Serbian initiative at UN... Can you understand? There are so many contradictions... This Luis Amado is a clown (in Portuguese we say: palhaço). No one takes him serious here. From my side and of the majority of the Portuguese society, I would like to say sorry for this absurd decision...

another pupet state eh...
very soon crna gore olso macedonia

who cares what UN SC vote is going to be anyway... most powerfull states in EU say yes to kosovo...

cheers

well done portugal

Thank you Portugal!

Serbia will be next to recognize us :D

Thank you very much Portugal

First let me thank Portugal for the recognition of Kosova.
This means a lot to us Albanians.
Now i will go more often to Prtuguese restaurant, i like their food, and especially their bread. There is a restaurant near where I live is called "Costa Verde" it is good, and very good Portuguese staff.
I will go there this friday night, and have double lobster tail and bottle of DAO whine, I will celebrate it.

Dear all, No matter how celebrations are going to be tonight in Kosovo, let me make the following very clear: the vast majority of the Portuguese public opinion in against the recognition of this pseudo-sate. I can only repeat that I am ashamed as Portuguese.
(Carlos, Portugal, 8 October 2008 13:37)

Do you run some sort of polling agency? Because I could easily claim the opposite. (not that I am a proud Portugese but that the public opinion is in favor of K-Independence).

To the general coir;

We'll be here when Greece and Spain also make their recognitions a reality and we'll continue this fruitless discussion on what country is still standing firm against "imperialist west" and what country has turned into a "puppet".
The disappointment for Serbia and its political elite is going to deepen even further. Every day that goes by is a lost opportunity in all economic political and social aspects. Banging your head in to the wall is not a solution. Serbia's politicians have fed enough of Kosova's issue, the well is running dry.

I wonder what would be the threshold of recognitions that would make Serbia's politicians to give up on the lost battle? The "Never! and Ever!" type of answers don't work well today in the political and most importantly in economic arena.

As a Portuguese citizen, I applaud this decision of my country, although it should have come a long time ago. Independence for Kosovo was the only viable solution for this conflict, period. Serbia should come to terms with this and embrace the future.

So Luis Amado portugal was a WEAK nation after all coz you "bowed" to the pressures of the US and the EU elites. Shame on your country!!! you could have at least waited the decision of the ICJ on the legality of the UDI before making such rubbish decision.

Unlucky Serbia. I wonder which EU state will be pressured into recognising next? My bet is on Greece as they have already recognised the Kosovo passport and have hinted about recognition previously.
Kosovo 48; Abkahzia and S Ossetia 2.
Go on Kosovo!

I just feel ashame of being Portuguese. The first time in my life... Let me tell the world that this type of decision is typical from our socialist goverments. It happen the same with our former colonies, when the SOLD them, without any supervision. Why Portugal was diplomatic fighting for East Timor? Very sad from the Portuguese governants. Its time to Azores, Madeira and Basc territories fight for their independence. Mr. Jose Socrates, Mr. Amado, Mr. Cavaco Silva, SHAME ON YOU.

He also said that Portugal will support Serbian initiative at UN... Can you understand? There are so many contradictions... This Luis Amado is a clown (in Portuguese we say: palhaço). No one takes him serious here. From my side and of the majority of the Portuguese society, I would like to say sorry for this absurd decision...

Dear all, No matter how celebrations are going to be tonight in Kosovo, let me make the following very clear: the vast majority of the Portuguese public opinion in against the recognition of this pseudo-sate. I can only repeat that I am ashamed as Portuguese.

What a bizzare decision. You can be sure that there was bribery going on under the table, since there was absolutely nothing to gain by Portugal by recognizing. This Portugues government is weak, and an embarrassment.
As for all the albanians here who are jumping with glee like little schoolgirls - aren't you ashamed that nobody wants to recognize you on your own merits, but will only do so when threatened or bribed??
Enjoy your fake state while it lasts, I can guarantee you it is only temporary :). Your colonial master is falling apart, bankrupt, and losing strength by the day. Once they are out of Kosovo, we all know what will happen.
Cheers!!

who cares what UN SC vote is going to be anyway... most powerfull states in EU say yes to kosovo...

cheers
(berat, 8 October 2008 11:00)

Borat,
You asked who cares, the albanians should care if they ever want to join UN, Nato, EU with their illegal "Kosova" !

Luckily the north and the enclaves dont belong to Pristina anyway...

"Im portugese as well as Carlos and i do agreee with my own government decision. We portugese dont know much about balkans but when it came to supporting a country that has suffer under yugoslavia , i do support it. It is true that most of Portugal people identify albanians as mediterranians and we do like them.
(José Silva, 8 October 2008 14:30)"

I knew something like this would be posted ...since our dear albanian friends couldn´t let it stay like it was - they just had to invent some Portuguese who "loves" Albanians... lol

well, I´d say: credibility less than zero!

as for Portugal, it is not a tiny island-state, BUT, and that´s quite interesting here, it seems like they did it just because they know that giving in to pressure NOW is better in regard to the fact that they can revoke that anytime in the future, especially when the ICJ-ruling turns out to be in favor of Serbia.

then, all this happy-clapping will only look like senseless jumping...

bottom-line is: I do not have any bad feelings at all, since the majority in Portugal is against this shameful act, and as soon as it becomes clear that even the ICJ calls it illegal... we will see what happens.

as a last word, one comment to Olli:

"as long as our masters are not Serbia, we accept the situation"

you are right on this, Olli, that´s the absurd and quite stupid approach of the seperatist-terrorists.

they do not want their fellow K-albanians to realize that Serbia does not want to be their master, and that they are harming themselves...

it will take some time until they realize that, especially in regard to the fact that many K-albanians are young, they need time to learn, as all young poeple do need time for learning.

but one thing is quite clear, Serbia will prevail. the "recognition" by Portugal made that even clearer! it tells us that someone must be quite nervous because of the ICJ-process...

Portuguese people are proud people, with culture and rich history.
To say that they are ashamed to be Portuguese because their government recognized Kosova is beyond me, even though I do not believe it for a second they these so called Portuguese posters here are in fact Prtuguese.
Anyway, thank you again PORTUGAL, Fico country.

Who cares about Portugal and so on. The most important thing is that Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and the rest of Stans don't recognize Kosova :) Oh by the way, I forgot to mention African brothers also :D

This recognition shows how meaningless the UN vote is. In the end, the judges will anyway reject Serbia's iniative. Kosovo is independent. EU country number 22 confirms it. Case closed.

Cheers!

José Silva, De que parte de Portugal és tu? Os portugueses gostam dos albaneses? Isto é absolutamente ridículo!! (To José Silva and to all Albanian who have doubts about my nationality! B92 is free to provide my email as well!)

I wish Mr Amado to explain, ho the recognition of the "Cosa Nostra Republic of Kosovo", strengthens the link between the EU and NATO... Mr Amado.. you missed school the day they teached algebra..RIGHT.

Well done Serbia

CC

Hashim Thaci has just confirmed during a press conference that "Romania and Slovakia have recognized the Republic of Kosovo passports," expressing gratitude for both countries' contribution on maintaining the stability in the Balkans. Thaci also thanked Portugal for recognizing the independence of Kosovo.

To miri::

I don't know if Greece is a moisquitoe or not, compared to the whole of EU. If you consider her size, compared to her military strength and political and economic power in the region, most probably it is not.

All I know is that my country is one of the last ones standing firm, on this tottaly illegal (almost provocative) act by the americans, followed by their (political dwarfs, military worms) "puppet" allies.

Greece is a country that is continuously proving to EVERYONE that it cannot be pressured by ANYONE, to follow acts that are against her interests and international law as well. Unfortunately, very few countries do that.

Greece will never recognise Kosovo as an independent state simply because it was illegaly and barbarically stolen from Serbia. As simple as that. It does not belong to Albanians, it has been a serbian land for hundreds of years, and albanians are occupiers there. Nothing more.

Into the eyes of the majority of the Greek people (11 million in Greece and 10 million worldwide), land stealers and occupiers (like the Kosovar Albanians) cannot be recoginsed ever.

For Greece, Kosovo is an illegal protectorate, that has turned to the center of criminality and corruption in the whole Europe, and OF COURSE it has absolutely nothing with a country.

I have Portuguese friends- with highest education in top Portuguese and British schools and THEY DO SUPPORT KOSOVA believe me.
(ben, 8 October 2008 14:51)

Yes Ben, I believe you. You are 100% right in any case.

1) If you tell the truth: than nothing to add.

2) Otherwise everything is true for the elements of the empty set.

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_set

Amado said that the Portuguese government’s decision would help “strengthen the links between the EU and NATO“.
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It's quite interesting to read that all of the countries being arm twisted into recognition seem only to talk about EU and NATO interests. It is quite obvious that they have no concern whatsoever for the Albanians and this really is just about strengthening the occupation.

It really must hurt the West that Spain, Greece, Cyprus, Romania and Slovakia continue to stand firm and resist this illegal act. I think only Greece has potential to switch but I doubt the others will.

However, further recognitions make no difference as Kosovo independence has failed and the overwhelming majority of the world will stand firm and principled on this issue while Serbia and Serbians will always have the last say.

Good luck Kosovo Albanians, on your own isolation.

This now means that all the EU countries who had no reservations as to Kosovo's independence have recognized.

It would be interesting to see what happens with Spain, Romania, Greece, Slovakia and Cyprus, especially after the ICJ ruling when it comes.

Henry Kissinger's comment about the condition of the Europeans currently::

"The Europeans are economic giants, political dwarfs, and military worms!""

This says it all I think... one more european state with zero political strength and importance following the "loyal crowd" of Americans.

Following them to their illegal acts, no matter if they want it or believe it's true. Their opinion does not matter any more. Their fear that they might "displease" the americans does.

In a few years nobody will care what "portugal" or any other similar state say or does. Just one more puppet in the que...

Kosovo is totally illegal, and it is certain that it will never be a country...

Each day this all is getting more and more interesting! It really looks that Kosovo is a special, very special case:

"Amado: Portuguese government’s decision would help strengthen the links between the EU and NATO."

Kosovo independence truly is an asset in a big game today, but not a matter per se anymore –even if the Big Powers so spoke only few moments ago. The question is about something else than about the "independence or not" of Kosovo.

And the conclusion of this? Becoming a game asset Kosovo is less and less independent. It may have had Serbia as it's old master –today it has new masters. What's been created is Kosovo that remains a subordinate country controlled by others. What is being recognized is Kosovo’s dependency, not independency. Albanian Kosovars naturally have nothing against this since "as long as our master isn't Serbia we accept the situation".

The behaviour and politics of both Serbs and Albanians have brought us to this point. The most accurate account is to put the blame on both of them. No matter how deep into history we look at.

An intelligent policy is to have friends near and to keep enemies in distance. The Balkan Syndrome is to have it exactly the opposite way.

Eat it.

What about Portugal?

Is this also a tiny island state with a small population that has absolutely no relevance whatsoever anywhere?

"“Acknowledging the legality of its decision, Russia directly acknowledged the legality of Kosovo’s independence "too,“

- so what happened to Sui Generis - is Portugal now about to recognise Abkasia and South Ossetia given its argument for recognising the illegal declaration by the ethnic Albanians in Serbia's UN recognised soverign territory?

Sui generis is now defunct as a an argument and has been stated as such by the Portugese - this is a dangerous precedence that the US and its poodles in the EU have set and has clearly created a hard split with the EU. What nation is next in line with such precedence as forced partition of a nation along ethnic lines. Clearly the EU rae pushing more and more for a partition within partition and have now accepted the precedence of overruling international norms and laws.

We can only guess the ethnic Russians in Estonia and Latvia can learn a thing or two from the EU technocrats who say its ok for partition along ethnic lines if their minority rights are continued to be trampled upon by the Estonian and Latvian govts.

Which other country in Europe can be next - Croatia ? Bosnia ? FYROM ? Moldova? Ukraine? Belguim? Spain? France? UK? given the Portugese affirmation that Sui Generis never existed so they can recognise????

Oh what a tangled web the EU weave...

Sadly Portugal showed the world that they would fall under preassure from the NATO and US.
Thankfully Spain has more spine than Portugal does..

Portugal is recognising in the 'interests of the state' - in other words to keep in with the 'gang' (by name and nature).

To all the Portugese people on this site who are ashamed: as a British person I can totally relate. This entire illegal theft of land is the shame of Europe, and I'm sure that many people know this in our governments.

Why else would the UK want to amend the Serbian proposal to the ICJ at the last minute? Because it is obvious that Serbia is in the right.

This move by Portugal is unfortunate but irrelevant, because even one more recognition won't make a difference if the ICJ hearing goes ahead. There will be several countries, the first being Costa Rica, who will either reverse their recognition, freeze their decision, or put full recognition on hold.

If all goes as expected, and the ICJ ruling goes ahead, the issue will go back to the negotiating table. It suits none of the major players to have this situation continue under the cloud of a legal ruling.

If the ICJ is truly impartial it will obviously say that the declaration of independence was illegal, and how can any nation recognise an illegal declaration?

Far better to sort this out with a mutual agreement between Serbia and provincial leaders in Kosovo. That way, the two entities can move on, join international bodies etc.

It suits nobody to remain in limbo.

Good luck today Mr Jeremic. You have legal right on your side.

Portugal has just made my home life difficult. As a Canadian of Yugoslav descent, married to a Canadian of Portuguese descent I am surprised at the decision of the Portuguese government. Recognizing justice and in turn international law, the Portuguese should have at least waited until the ICJ ruled on the legitimacy of the unjust unilateral declaration of independence from Kosovo. I only hope that the Portuguese people don't suffer the same type of humilation that the Serbian people are going through now when the Azores decide to separate from Portugal. It is the end of "nations" as we know it!!

Breaking News- Romania and Slovakia do recognise the issued passports by Kosovo Republic.

I wonder where this will end ??

Spain, Latin America, Arab league…….

Congratulations Kosovo, 22 out of 27!!!
Do not forget to thank the Russian for there help!!!

Thanks and God Bless!!!

congratulations, Portugal, congratulations Kosovo/a. and what perfect timing, the very day that the tadic/jeremic regime is having its orgy of self-congratulations for giving Kosovo/a a good clubbing. c'est la vie...

anyway, as i have said so many times, it is a bump in the road. we'll take it a day at a time. i've never been afraid of the ultimate icj ruling, unless those judges are totally brain-dead. their genocide (in bosnia) ruling was pathetic but still partially accurate, though blgd ignored it, as they will the next one...

the main thing is the amendments, and also how successful blgd/moscow will be at bullying and intimidating the other nations before and leading up to the ruling. my feeling is not so very.

cheers! and again, thanks portugal, and thank you to all of our frnds and allies!

roberto

Mr. "Greek".

Weren't you who said the following:

-BEGIN QUOTE
"Henry Kissinger's comment about the condition of the Europeans currently::

"The Europeans are economic giants, political dwarfs, and military worms!""

This says it all I think... one more european state with zero political strength and importance following the "loyal crowd" of Americans. "

-END OF QUOTE:

I merely was quoting what you said earlier.
I don't think Greece or any country is a mosquito, it was a sarcasm to invalidate your earlier statement. Even an individual it's not a mosquito.

It is troubling how people like you get upset when someone steps in their toes, while the same time you are so consistent in offending the others.

To Adrian, I had no intention to insult Romania or any country so I am sorry if my comment did not come in the right way. I think you know what I mean!

To make it clear, like Miri did.

Sarcastic comments are not aimed at countries like Albania, ethnics as whole and so on. The origin of Albanians is somewhat disputed, there is a minority, non-mainstream opinion that they originate from Caucasus and have ties to medieval Albanian Kingdom (ca. where Ossetia is now). Most would agree, the nation called "Shquip" gained that name relatively recently, but lived fairly long in Balkan Peninsula.

How long - we just don't know. There is no 100% proven tie between "Illyrians" and Shquips in general, precisely like there in no direct tie between modern-day Hungarians and Shumers or Huns, even if there is a significant overlapping with many things. Number one, the population was dilluted between many tribes (at least 10 for Hungarians) from the begin on, number two, the stretch of the time is simply to long.

Statements like "Albanians lived in Kosova (Dardania), even before you greeks lived in Balkans!" are not good for several reasons:

- It is not proven by the mainstream at all.
- It does sound funny for the posters here, who DELIBERATELY do not want to engage themself into Hittite-Polish-Russian (PROVEN, Hittite language decyphered by Polish scientists) relationship
- It does sound funny for Hungarians, who can easily "claim" (like Dardanian link not mainstream but much more evidence on hand) Sumerian roots. In the fact, every Hungarian can swear Sumerian... And the swearwords are the most archaic ones

- After all, in 21st Century it does not matter, the pre-Dardanian monkey was first to climb down the tree or it was a pre-Sumerian monkey. History is good to learn from the past, but who abuses it for the Dardanian-Sumerian-Hittite insanity, does not teach anything good for the future.

Most strongly this triviality applies to what I call "FYROMANIA". It is not to insult their great country, one of our favorite. It is to mock the anti-scientific insanity certain politicians. I just cannot believe, how low they can fall. "Dardania" is IMO barely better, but at least according the mainstream teachings, Albanians can claim, they are aboriginal tribe in the area, even if perhaps they aren't directly related to Illyrians.


But again, I have to reiterate, being "Illyrian", "Sumer", "Hittite" does not mean much today. The descendants of most ancient Sumers today in Vojvodina have no more and no less rights to be happy than Roms, who didn't came before 14th Century to the area.

That particular case is closed. I want to re-iterate, my sentence "We already agreed, Buddha was Albanian" was to mock the absurdity of the topic, nothing else. Apologies, if anyone did feel offended.

Ataman (!?),
I think your sarcastic "Buda" is pathetic!
No we could agree that Ratko Mladic was indian, or hero!
He saved 8000 muslims in Srebrenica!
You should read som history books written by neutral scientist about the teritory where Kosova is situated before you say nonsense!
The becomong member of EU of Kosova is in fact to the benefit of all balkan countries who are EU members as the whole Balkans should becomme memebers.

For a country whose name means the "Gate of the Holy Grail" selling out the Serbs Holy Grail to a common enemy will come back to bite you.

The reasons are getting more twisted and extraordinary

By this FM's reckoning there are no rules but the rule of might.

This will have to be corrected in the same manner then.

You remember the Templars FM who took refuge in your lands?

As for the geopolitics and status quo you allude to it has evaporated and sounds like a relic from the age of folklore.

You will quickly discover that your rules of "no rules" will be the measure of the turmoil and catastrophe that will befall that dear old lady you all reside in wrongly named Europe.

22 on 27 Now we have reached the target number that at the end of 2007 an aid of mr.Dalema told the press that were ready of recognize kosovo ...still the lack of recognitions by countries of the world is a big question mark over the tiny balkan state..particulary from the muslim world the silence is embarassing..

Weasel words:

"....following .... Moscow’s decision to recognize the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

“Acknowledging the legality of its decision, Russia directly acknowledged the legality of Kosovo’s independence too,“ said the minister.

The truth is actually:

“Acknowledging the legality of the Kosovo UDI, The West directly acknowledged the legality of Moscow's policy in South Ossetia and Abkhazia,“

... is the real truth.

The logic is along the lines "I'm a criminal, but he is a criminal too, so that's ok".

Portugal has bent to NATO - the timing makes that perfectly clear. How weak that was.

To The Greek:
"The Europeans are economic giants, political dwarfs, and military worms!""

This says it all I think... one more european state with zero political strength and importance following the "loyal crowd" of Americans"

Imagine what Greece, Romania, Cyprus and Slovakia are compared individually to EU.
Probably mosquitoes.

"Jose Silva" - I made a spelling error when I wrote 'Portugese' instead of 'Portuguese'.

I doubt very much that anyone 'from Portugal' would make the same error - nobody else has.

Well, there's a surprise. Oh well.

Breaking News- Romania and Slovakia do recognise the issued passports by Kosovo Republic.

I wonder where this will end ??

(Artan, 8 October 2008 16:39)

Where? If you are careful, just in the hotel bed, with bad mood, stolen money, stolen passport of Kosovo Republic, headache and very angry g/f.
If not - than same thing, but in the emergency room near Damstraat in Oude Zijd.

"Good luck Kosovo Albanians, on your own isolation.
(ZK BG)"

Remember the old joke, a guy listening to the radio while driving. There is an announcement, to be careful, cause one madman is driving at high speed opposite the traffic on the motorway. The guy says: only one, all of them are driving the wrong way...

This driver is Serbia at the moment. You cry out from your cage, saying that the ones outside are isolated. I wonder why it doesn't occure to some Serbians that it is NOT US or Nato forcing its opinion on other nations but we are tired of this "loud ministate" that is endangering world peace. There are some (as some say unimportant or insignificant) countries that for some shameful reasons or fear of wrongdoing on the past, such as mistreatment of minorities or just simply sitting on the territory of amother country are afraid of supporting self determination of the Kosovar people.

"when the Azores decide to separate from Portugal."

My mothers family is from the Azores. I go to Portugal every two years. The Azores has been a Special Admin Area for centuries. Why would they seperate. If they were going to they should have done it in 1975, when Portugal divested its foreign positions. Please. and to the comment about Basks, no Bask region in Portugal.

Greece should be out of EU and perhaps a member of Russian Union if the most of you greeks share your opinion. I hope not! Albanians lived in Kosova (Dardania), even before you greeks lived in Balkans!
(Filip, 8 October 2008 21:38)

1) EU is your dream, but without that Greece you will be stuck.
2) We already agreed, Buddha was Albanian.

Portugal recognised Kosovo only because Albania will sell the soccer match next week. Yup.

After that they will retract it just like the others, by Mr Jeremic's word.

Seriously, this recognition, coming the day before the ICJ ruling and despite the Russian pressure, is a cold shower for both Mr Jeremic and Mr Tadic.

We are aware it was a tough desicion to make.

Like a parrot he is repeating his master's words. How does it feel to be a slave?

i think the next will be montenegro and macedonia (99% sure)

miri
"Imagine what Greece, Romania, Cyprus and Slovakia are compared individually to EU.
Probably mosquitoes."

Can you sleep with even one mosquito in the room? Personally, I find it impossible.

It is not ok at all for anybody to throw insults on countries because of their decision to recognise the UDI or not so it's not ok to insult Portugal now or any other non recognising country.

The only pitiful thing is when a government takes a decision that is not debated and accepted by their people. If people accept it, then Vox Populi Vox Dei. If not, the same.

"Breaking News- Romania and Slovakia do recognise the issued passports by Kosovo Republic"

Artan, Breaking news - you're smoking some good quality stuff. Please share!

First let me thank Portugal for the recognition of Kosova.
This means a lot to us Albanians.
(Albion, New York, 8 October 2008 14:56)

You should thank some people within the government of Portugal. Personal friendships and marriages can happen between Serbs and Kosovo Albanians. There is no "friendship" at the government level.

Serbia won (as expected) the GA vote today. There is nothing to thank, cheer (or for Albanians to jeer) about this, there were representatives of countries out there and except 6, all decided that siding with Serbian government is more beneficial for them. That may seriously impact a lot of things, but there is no "friendship", just business. Serbian government (in particular: Mr. Jeremic) successfully did convince most voters, Serbia is a better business.

This meets my opinion, but there is nothing personal there.

---------------

Now i will go more often to Prtuguese restaurant, i like their food, and especially their bread.
(Albion, New York, 8 October 2008 14:56)

Good for you, Albion. Good bread in America is a very rare find. We had only one Serbian place in the entire South Bay and NOTHING Albanian. Later Serbs closed down as everything became more Chinese in the area.

But in Budapest and Belgrade we miss good quality and cheap Vietnamese, Thai places. If you want to get a heart attack, go to Chinese restaurant in Belgrade and look at the prices. We eat at "Szeráj" Turkish restaurant, near Nygati station in Budapest once in a while: great food, very reasonable prices and very clean. Restaurant Sindelic in Belgrade is not cheap, but very-very good.

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Well, there's a surprise. Oh well.
(Mike, 8 October 2008 15:52)

I expected it for today and you would be able to read my posting few days ago - if it wouldn't go into some mystical place inside B92. It happens not just with Roberto or Ben.

Thank You Very Much Portugal.
who is next?
Boise USA

How successful blgd/moscow will be at bullying and intimidating the other nations before and leading up to the ruling. my feeling is not so very.
(roberto, 8 October 2008 21:46)

I don't see they will "bully" and "intimidate" for several reasons:

a) Belgrade don't even need. The Slavic-Albanian controversy within Crna Gora and FYROM itself is big enough problem for confusion. Add the historical insanity what Gruevski does preach and you have a perfect circus.

b) Moscow is even further from that than Belgrade. Much of the controversy is due bush himself. Not that I would excuse putin & co. ... but as for Medvedjev, I can write you maybe interesting things.

Much will change after Nov. 4 and as I see the race, there is a good probability, the world will be better.

I am not so sure you really understand, what is in Belgrade or Moscow, what they feel and after all, who they are. I am starting from similar position like you. With my own experience (and more luck regarding languages) I have currently a completely opposite opinion.

There is much I cannot write here. I decided to give it a chance and I did send you an e-mail. Following what I wrote, you can find me if you really like. Let's see, how it develops.

All the best.

Now we can verify the consequences of Russian recognition of North Ossetia and Abkhazia, easily forcasted one could say. By the way, North ossetia and Abkhazia have been recognized only by Russia and Nicaragua: what a support for Russia in the world!!!