“Macedonia to abstain from UN GA vote”

Have no real issue with Macedonia taking a neutral position given it's militant albanian minority.

Would however expect Macedonia to then hold off on recognition of 'pseudo-state' until ICJ delivers it's opinion on the legality of K-albanian UDI should Serbia's initiative pass the GA.

As one would expect of a country that was truly 'neutral'.

Should this not to be the case, Serbia would be entitled to respond starting with the withdrawal of it's support on the 'name issue'.

Would be utterly nonsensical to support Macedonia on this when 'pseudo-state' doesn't - while at the same time, Macedonia recognises K-albanian UDI.

Does this now mean that they are not going to recognise before tomorrow? It would seem bizarre to say that they won't vote on the resolution so as not to appear to be taking sides, only to go and recognise the UDI. Of course, the other alternative would have been to recognise and then vote in favour of the resolution.

I hope that Montenegro is honourable enough to take the same approach, assuming that this is the position Skopje is going to adopt.

In any case, to my mind it would be the lowest of the low for either country to recognise the day before the UNGA debate on whether to apply to the ICJ. At least have the decency to see how the resolution turns out. Recognising today, or early tomorrow, would be the ultimate act of betrayal by Skopje or Podgorica. Indeed, if they were to do so it would appear as if they had deliberately set out to create tensions with Serbia.

Dashnori i Ceces:
> Militant about wanting equal rights?
When an ethnic minority engages in insurgency as was the case in Macedonia, then an apt description is that it is militant.

> Pseudo state?
And when that same ethnic minority (albeit in a different country) attempts to unilaterally secede & form it's own state, then those that do not accept the seccession are entitled to call it a 'fake-state'.

Curious that you would take issue with this. Last I looked, B92 was a serbian website. Attempting to lay claim to that as well?

> Recognized by 47 states in less than a year, among them US, UK, France, Japan, Germany, Canada...?

And unrecognised by more than 3 times that number with recognitions all but frozen & with no seat in the UN while being utterly dependent on the financial, political & military support of the US & it's cronies. Oh, and Taiwan was once recognised by the G7 as well. Not any longer.

> Your rhetoric is running thin
Is my 'rhetoric' irritating you?

Pity.

Hello,

This is typical for Macedonia and Crna Gora. These two countries have become pons in a strategic chess game being played by the USA in its aggressive nature to change the balance of power in the Balkans and to gain an upper hand on the Russians in the energy race. Should these two countries recognize Kosovo's Illegal Declaration of Independance they will have turned their backs against Europe and would have been brought to their knees infront of the imperalist US Gov't.

"Macedonia has not recognized Kosovo, and any kind of Macedonian response might be seen as taking sides, be it in Belgrade or Priština’s favor, Macedonian Foreign Ministry sources say."

Really? I thought countries were voting on whether Serbia has the right to request a legal opinion. I didn't know a vote for the initiative is an automatic declaration of whether Kosovo could be independent or not. Don't be a bunch of "girlymen" Macendonia!

Interesting. I would have thought the US would have tried to extort a recognition from MK and CG before tomorrow. At the very least, I would have expected MK to recognize before CG, and now I see it's taking an absention? Well, as Peter says so succinctly, if MK abstains, there's no reason for them to recognize anytime soon. It would be kind of stupid having Serbia's case approved to go before the ICJ and then recognize.

Unless MK and CG recognize Kosovo, but still agree on the need to reconfigure Kosovo's sovereignty.

Is my 'rhetoric' irritating you?

Pity.
(peter, sydney, 7 October 2008 15:31)

Peter, we are very diverse. But you have to get to used to the fact: regardless of our diversity of opinions:

1) per default, the ONLY truth is their truth.
2) just if there is an exception: automatically point 1) becomes valid.

Cheers!

"President Filip Vujanovic said Tuesday that the decision will have to be made soon because of Montenegro's desire to become an European Union and NATO member. He said recognition of Kosovo is an "obvious condition" for integration."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/10/07/europe/EU-Montenegro-Serbia-Kosovo.php


It looks almost sure that Macedonia and Montenegro as well will recognize Kosovo in the very near future.

So, no opinion is the best opinion?! (rethorical)

It's a matter of time before our Gruo recognizes Kosovo, go to Skopje and you will see street signs leading to Kosovo (Not Serbija) one would have to think logically and see where the roads lead..

Napred Makedonija!

>>Have no real issue with Macedonia taking a neutral position given it's militant albanian minority.

Militant about wanting equal rights? So be it. They became militant and now they finally have equal rights in Fyrom.

>> "wever expect Macedonia to then hold off on recognition of 'pseudo-state' "

Pseudo state? Recognized by 47 states in less than a year, among them US, UK, France, Japan, Germany, Canada...? Your rhetoric is running thin

“Nations have no permanent friends or allies, they only have permanent interests.”
Lord Palmerston quote (English Statesman, 1784-1865)

Does this mean that we can expect another 'political crisis' in Macedonia where the albanian parties demand recognition or they will withdraw from the coalition and start agitating for war again (like last time)?

It is only a matter of time.

It's a matter of time before our Gruo recognizes Kosovo, go to Skopje and you will see street signs leading to Kosovo (Not Serbija) one would have to think logically and see where the roads lead..

Napred Makedonija!

>>Have no real issue with Macedonia taking a neutral position given it's militant albanian minority.

Militant about wanting equal rights? So be it. They became militant and now they finally have equal rights in Fyrom.

>> "wever expect Macedonia to then hold off on recognition of 'pseudo-state' "

Pseudo state? Recognized by 47 states in less than a year, among them US, UK, France, Japan, Germany, Canada...? Your rhetoric is running thin

"President Filip Vujanovic said Tuesday that the decision will have to be made soon because of Montenegro's desire to become an European Union and NATO member. He said recognition of Kosovo is an "obvious condition" for integration."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/10/07/europe/EU-Montenegro-Serbia-Kosovo.php


It looks almost sure that Macedonia and Montenegro as well will recognize Kosovo in the very near future.

Have no real issue with Macedonia taking a neutral position given it's militant albanian minority.

Would however expect Macedonia to then hold off on recognition of 'pseudo-state' until ICJ delivers it's opinion on the legality of K-albanian UDI should Serbia's initiative pass the GA.

As one would expect of a country that was truly 'neutral'.

Should this not to be the case, Serbia would be entitled to respond starting with the withdrawal of it's support on the 'name issue'.

Would be utterly nonsensical to support Macedonia on this when 'pseudo-state' doesn't - while at the same time, Macedonia recognises K-albanian UDI.

"Macedonia has not recognized Kosovo, and any kind of Macedonian response might be seen as taking sides, be it in Belgrade or Priština’s favor, Macedonian Foreign Ministry sources say."

Really? I thought countries were voting on whether Serbia has the right to request a legal opinion. I didn't know a vote for the initiative is an automatic declaration of whether Kosovo could be independent or not. Don't be a bunch of "girlymen" Macendonia!

Dashnori i Ceces:
> Militant about wanting equal rights?
When an ethnic minority engages in insurgency as was the case in Macedonia, then an apt description is that it is militant.

> Pseudo state?
And when that same ethnic minority (albeit in a different country) attempts to unilaterally secede & form it's own state, then those that do not accept the seccession are entitled to call it a 'fake-state'.

Curious that you would take issue with this. Last I looked, B92 was a serbian website. Attempting to lay claim to that as well?

> Recognized by 47 states in less than a year, among them US, UK, France, Japan, Germany, Canada...?

And unrecognised by more than 3 times that number with recognitions all but frozen & with no seat in the UN while being utterly dependent on the financial, political & military support of the US & it's cronies. Oh, and Taiwan was once recognised by the G7 as well. Not any longer.

> Your rhetoric is running thin
Is my 'rhetoric' irritating you?

Pity.

Hello,

This is typical for Macedonia and Crna Gora. These two countries have become pons in a strategic chess game being played by the USA in its aggressive nature to change the balance of power in the Balkans and to gain an upper hand on the Russians in the energy race. Should these two countries recognize Kosovo's Illegal Declaration of Independance they will have turned their backs against Europe and would have been brought to their knees infront of the imperalist US Gov't.

Is my 'rhetoric' irritating you?

Pity.
(peter, sydney, 7 October 2008 15:31)

Peter, we are very diverse. But you have to get to used to the fact: regardless of our diversity of opinions:

1) per default, the ONLY truth is their truth.
2) just if there is an exception: automatically point 1) becomes valid.

Cheers!

So, no opinion is the best opinion?! (rethorical)

Does this now mean that they are not going to recognise before tomorrow? It would seem bizarre to say that they won't vote on the resolution so as not to appear to be taking sides, only to go and recognise the UDI. Of course, the other alternative would have been to recognise and then vote in favour of the resolution.

I hope that Montenegro is honourable enough to take the same approach, assuming that this is the position Skopje is going to adopt.

In any case, to my mind it would be the lowest of the low for either country to recognise the day before the UNGA debate on whether to apply to the ICJ. At least have the decency to see how the resolution turns out. Recognising today, or early tomorrow, would be the ultimate act of betrayal by Skopje or Podgorica. Indeed, if they were to do so it would appear as if they had deliberately set out to create tensions with Serbia.

“Nations have no permanent friends or allies, they only have permanent interests.”
Lord Palmerston quote (English Statesman, 1784-1865)

Interesting. I would have thought the US would have tried to extort a recognition from MK and CG before tomorrow. At the very least, I would have expected MK to recognize before CG, and now I see it's taking an absention? Well, as Peter says so succinctly, if MK abstains, there's no reason for them to recognize anytime soon. It would be kind of stupid having Serbia's case approved to go before the ICJ and then recognize.

Unless MK and CG recognize Kosovo, but still agree on the need to reconfigure Kosovo's sovereignty.

Does this mean that we can expect another 'political crisis' in Macedonia where the albanian parties demand recognition or they will withdraw from the coalition and start agitating for war again (like last time)?

It is only a matter of time.