Kosovo official: ICJ resolution could pass

Yes, I'm looking forward to the vote. Apart from potentially bringing the issue to the International Court of Justice for their (hopefully) impartial judgement / recommendation,
it also brings the Kosovo issue back to the international arena.

This issue and issues like it will not go away. I am convinced that the world needs guidance on nation states vs independence movements and hope that the ICJ will be able to provide something in that regard.

Closing your eyes and hoping to deal with problems on a case by case basis is not enough.

We've had Iraq's "chemical Ali" and now we have albania's "hilarious Hyseni"! This guy hasn't got a clue what he's talking about. The ICJ will rule in Serbia's favour. That's a given. It's why the countries that have recognised Kosovo have been doing all they can to block Serbia's initiative. The "Kosovo project" will be consigned to the history books as an absolute failure!

Soon the separatists in Pristina will have no course but to agree on the resumption of the status negotiation with Belgrade since recognition will be halted and some of the 47 states will retract their recognition of the UDI.

Hyseni does not know what he is doing.
(Prishtina08, 6 October 2008 10:47)
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Thanks for pointing that out Prishtina as neither does he know what he is saying. On the one hand he said that the ICJ initiative will have no long-term effect on Kosovo but then later said one long-term consequence of the initiative could be "on the relations between Kosovo and Serbia".

That seems to be a common theme for all of "Kosova's" politicians. Like when they say "Kosova is independent" but then say "Kosovo Albanian officials will not attend the UN General Assembly during the debate and voting on Wednesday, since Kosovo is not a UN member."

In other words, Kosovo is not independent no matter what these puppets would like us to believe. The truth does hurt in this case and the sooner the Albanians get over it the better. I suppose all of this doublespeak will do for now.

Albanians could be disappointed.

by the way, since hilarious Hyseni is telling fairytales...

I am still waiting for that enormous tsunami of recognitions...

Accept it or not predictor, Kosovo separatists will have to sit down again with Belgrade for status negotiation coz your so called state will be "frozen" for good.

IT'S NOT OVER YET AND SERBIA IN THE END WILL WIN JUSTICE

>Mr. Skender Hyseni is not just an official
>but his exact title is Minister of Foreign Affairs (MFA).
(predictor, 6 October 2008 11:58)

Vuk Jeremic changed his name?


>I am still waiting for that
>enormous tsunami of recognitions...
(Jovan, 6 October 2008 12:31)

Jovan, I expect Montenegro and FYROM. This is not tsunami per se, but unpleasant enough. The "tsunami" will be inside of Montenegro and FYROM afterwards. Not sure, both statelets will survive even middle-term that "tsunami".

Jovan

Can you not hear the tsunami?! It's coming but it's not a tsunami as we know it. This tsunami is the wave of revokations that will come after the ICJ ruling.

predictor:
> so no retraction have ever and would ever happen,

Countries have retracted recognitions on numerous occasions, & could happen in the case of 'pseudo-state' very easily.

Taiwan has in the past, been recognised by 58 countries. Now it is recognised by 22. 36 countries have withdrawn their recognition - including ALL of the G7.

Costa Rica has already indicated that it would withdraw recognition from the 'pseudo-state' should the ICJ rule in favour of Serbia. Others will likely follow suit.

Will the ICJ support Serbia's bid?

I suspect so, should the initiative reach it (which is looking ever likelier), but I am not so arrogant as to pre-empt the outcome of it's decision as apparently you are.


Funcakes:
> Albanians usually do great in world courts.
Well then, you have nothing to worry about, not so?

That's if you know what you are talking about which I strongly doubt. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it your belief that the ICJ had to come to a consensus in order to make a ruling?

Weren't you the one who thought the US/UK/France could veto it's advisory opinion?

And didn't you also say that 'pseudo-state' would be recognised by at least 97 countries by now?

Meanwhile, if the GA votes for Serbia's initative, the 'reality on the ground' will be status freezing while the ICJ make's up it's mind. In that event, will be good practice for K-albanians should the ICJ rule in Serbia's favour - stagnation or negotiation.


Jeff1D:
> No one will ever retract its decision.
See above.

> No one in the right mind would deny Serbia its right to seek the opinion of the court.
Baloney.

> Even states that recognized Kosovo would not vote against the Serb initiative.
Not effectively after the fact at any rate.

> I am confident that court will rule in Kosovo’s favor.
That's nice.

Was also the case that a lot of people were confident Serbia's bid would fail at the GA as well.

Appears likely that they will be proven wrong.

So much for 'confidence'.

"...he was convinced that it will not affect those countries that are preparing to recognize Kosovo"

This guy seems to be an expert in auto training but his hipnosis affect is close to zero. To his dissapointment the recognition process may quite switch it's reverce mode. To say nothing of the short list of those who else could be forced to recognize the K-Ghetto as a state. Maybe he means Georgia which has already nothing to loose ?

Let's play this chess after the economic crisis when the shift of balance of force becomes more evident. Europe has got only one REAL ally and it is Russia. We provide big part of the freedom the Europeans enjoy. And we are in no case going to betray our Serbian once again. We were already punished by Eltsyn for everything we did after 1991.

"Recognitions can be expected in the coming days ahead of the voting on the resolution" I am ashamed to inform that Portugal will be one of those countries. After a visit of Condoleezza Rice two weeks ago to Lisboa, after decades of my country defending the international law, for example, in the very sensitive case of Timor Leste, the socialist government will inform tomorrow the Portuguese parliament of the recognition of the comical and fake state of Kosovo. I am very sorry! This does not reflect the opinion of the majority of Portuguese people. One only needs to read online newspapers...

http://ultimahora.publico.clix.pt/noticia.aspx?id=1344796&idCanal=12

So this Fazllic saga will go unnoticed at B92? or have i missed it somewhere.


dingdong - We've had Iraq's "chemical Ali" and now we have albania's "hilarious Hyseni"!

Hyseni does not know what he is doing.

Chem Ali did know what he was doing, so did his friends Milosevic and Co.

Soon the separatists in Pristina will have no course but to agree on the resumption of the status negotiation with Belgrade since recognition will be halted and some of the 47 states will retract their recognition of the UDI.
(Jevic, 6 October 2008 10:25

No one will ever retract its decision. This I assure you will never happen. However, the issue of legality should go to the court so that the court can hear both sides of the story and issue a decision. No one in the right mind would deny Serbia its right to seek the opinion of the court. Even states that recognized Kosovo would not vote against the Serb initiative. What Serbia is failing to recognize is the fact that when all is said and done it will lose in the court. I am confident that court will rule in Kosovo’s favor. Perhaps that is better because the government or the future governments in Serbia could say that we did all we could to stop the process but everything has its limits. This is how the issue should have been resolved from the beginning instead of going to war and un-necessarily destroying innocent lives and causing millions of dollars in damage.

As for Mr. Hyseni the foreign minister of Kosovo, he should retire from politics. I think he is useless and clueless. My grandmother who is 90 years old is a better diplomat that he is. Mr. Jeremic ran circles around him.

This is a lesson for Kosovo politicians. Quit this practice of nominating people to high positions that are blood related to the PM and the President and start nominating people to high posts based on the merit. Both Surroi and Vlasi, well known Kosovo politicians are left out of the game to make room for useless individuals like Hyseni. The Serb government should send him a thank you note for being so ineffective and making this entire process so easy to handle.

Great comment Jeff1D,

I completely agree with both points you raised (ICJ and Mr. Hyseni).
Though ICJ ruling (either way) has and will not have any actual impact on Kosovo, nobody can criticise Mr. Jeremic for the work he is putting (and for his expertise).
I personally congratulate him on a job well done.
He can definitely say he tried his best in the end.
If only Mr. Hyseni had 10% of his diplomatic expertise and 5% of Mr. Jeremic�s commitment.
I personally believe that Mr. Hyseni should be replaced as soon as possible and held accountable for his failures to achieve the expected targets.
Ok, we can say that Mr. Jeremic had Russia�s backing however at the same time Mr. Hyseni had even a stronger backing of USA.
On the other side Mr. Jeremic is constantly working and Mr. Hyseni is waiting for things to happen by themselves (or to be initiated by somebody else).
We have e huge number of intellectuals that can do a better job than Mr. Hyseni in their sleep. These are the people that should be put in charge.
Personally I would not put Mr. Hyseni to serve tea to anybody, let alone run the foreign policy.
His lack of knowledge has costed us 6 months worth of diplomacy recovery we cannot afford.
Kosovo has achieved the main goal (independence) however with people like Mr. Hyseni the economical recovery will suffer as a result of his lack of knowledge and commitment. Every day with him costs Kosovo economically.

The ICJ ruling may not defeat the American recognition; but it will show to the world, how a small European country brought international shame to the mighty empire.

How will they convince 2 million Albanians to live AGAIN under the serbian rule?
(Albanian, 6 October 2008 17:33)
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Quite simply, the Serbian offer has always been for Albanian self rule in Kosovo so there is no convincing necessary. However, if Albanians don't want to live on Serbian soil rgwb no one is going to force them and they can still return to their homeland.

B-92
“Kosovo Albanian official Skender Hyseni said on .....”

Just for your information, Mr. Skender Hyseni is not just an official but his exact title is Minister of Foreign Affairs (MFA).

However, if Albanians don't want to live on Serbian soil rgwb no one is going to force them and they can still return to their homeland.
(ZK BG, 6 October 2008 21:01)

ZK,

Kosovo Albanians live in their homeland, something you cannot say for Serbs. Look further North East (quite far) and you’ll get closer.

@6 Bgannon, well said.

for all those that say Kosovo is not independent, go and say that in Prishtina, or even better with that attitude you will never be able to enter Prishtina or Kosovo for that matter.

It is every countries right to ask for an opinion of UNGA as a member, however it does not mean that it has any effect on the actual situation on the ground. i.e. NATO could not get permission to bomb Serbia for 78 days through the UNSC due to Russia and that took place as all you serbs know. And if you think that is bad and your waving the Russian flag, you need to remember that Russia did not even ask the UNSC to bomb the Georgians!

some of the serbs here have said in the past that the UN is an American poppet NOW why ask for the popets opinion on what they have actually started or sorry rather finished you off.

remember all that this is an opinion not a ruling. it will not stop Montenegro or Macedonia recognising the independence of Kosovo let alone the rest of the world. Actually in my opinion more weight is put towards the recognition of Kosovo by these two countries then this UNGA opinion.

so as Foreign Minister Hyseni said; this will have not effect on the long term, however this will affect the long term relationships between the two countries. Remember 100 thousand serbs live in the Republic of Kosovo.

How will they convince 2 million Albanians to live AGAIN under the serbian rule?
(Albanian, 6 October 2008 17:33)
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Quite simply, the Serbian offer has always been for Albanian self rule in Kosovo so there is no convincing necessary. However, if Albanians don't want to live on Serbian soil rgwb no one is going to force them and they can still return to their homeland.
(ZK BG, 6 October 2008 21:01)

ZK BG, congratulations, your contributions have now finally earned you a membership in Jovan's club
By the way, they did go back to their homeland - in 1999 after the Serbian state apparatus drove half of them out of their homeland.

I look forward to your reply, that is if B92 does not censor this like they sometimes do with my comments.
Cheers

Jevic,
“Soon the separatists in Pristina will have no course but to agree on the resumption of the status negotiation with Belgrade since recognition will be halted and some of the 47 states will retract their recognition of the UDI.
(Jevic, 6 October 2008 10:25)”

Jevic, just to remind you that we are not playing here a childish games; so no retraction have ever and would ever happen, and as far of the status negotiation is concerned, that’s, my friend, OVER.
As far as the ICJ advisory opinion concerned, If Serbia’s request passes the UN GA, I am truly convinced that the outcome will be in favour of Kosova’s independence. My concern is whether will Serbia accept and agree with such an opinion?
In my opinion, Serbia officials should agree with such an opinion, as they asked for that, and immediately after that recognize our independence as a good neighbor.

Boy, Serbia is hellbent on ruining it's own chances at entering the EU ain't it?

Well, if the system is designed to make most resolutions pass, then we shall look at the ICJ decision. Albanians usually do great in world courts. It's the Serbs who usually complain, say it ain't so. :)

its a shame after all these years some of you still need the help of others to guide you towards the west, how ironic you are the furthest in the west but very narrowed.
(Prishtina08, 7 October 2008 01:04)

they don't have illyrian blood in them, the portuguese. or perhaps some people don't like to be "guided", but prefer to make decisions for themselves and loathe it when their government accepts the "guidance" from others. "supervised independence" is not acceptible to everyone. and calling people "narrowed" (i assume "narrow-minded") just because they don't agree with you is really rich.

Hi everyone. Believe it or not everybody seems to be exited about this ICJ thing.
Serbians believe that after the ICJ ruling they will get Kosovo back. How will they convince 2 million Albanians to live AGAIN under the serbian rule? K-albanians instead believe that after the ICJ ruling many countries including their neighbour Serbia, will recognise Kosovo as Indipendent. I sure hope so that this go all the way to the court and we will get a fair trial but i'm afraid this is all US politics at it's best.
There is a conspiracy here. I think this is all started by the US. They already know the outcome. This is the only and quiker way to make more countries recognise Kosovo. If they had any problem with it i don't think Serbia's initiative would've reached UN. Think about it. US and the west dominate the hole of international organisations. Think of the donations they make. I think the serbian side will be dissapointed.
Saudi Arabia,Portugal,Montenegro,Fyrom have already said that they will recognise Kosovo.
Have a good time and do not insult each other.

You guy's can call Skender Hyseni what you want but he's got the support of the most powerful country's in the world, have you ever noticed how relaxed he is as foreign minister of independent Kosova, and why not? he's got absolute full support from USA and EUROPE we can waste energy which ever way as long as we want.I would agree if anyone says that Mr Skender Hyseni got the best and the most stress less job anyone can get all he has to do is come out with a little statement meanwhile the big decision's are made and fought for him in the west. Well what can i say, what a job and what a smart man.

To Carlos

I remember when i was in Portugal during the war, in one hand hundreds of people greeting us and welcoming on the other hand in that small place there was banner asking NATO to stop bombing Serbs in Balkan, but i quickly came to realise that some of you have not healed properly from the past, and i do get the feeling that some of you are really in the wrong corner of Europe, one opinion and one article does not represent the portugese view never the less it's YOU the people who voted them, its a shame after all these years some of you still need the help of others to guide you towards the west, how ironic you are the furthest in the west but very narrowed.

And we are in no case going to betray our Serbian once again.
(Hand of Moscow, 6 October 2008 23:16)

Who's the "we"? The majority of ex-USSR population, that is including most Ukrainians, most Baltics, almost all Russians, majority of Georgians: of course, not. And they never betrayed. Totally agree.

But the respective governments? They betrayed and skinned and plundered their own people - and not once. I can provide you a sad list long enough. From Estonia to Georgia, from Ukraine to Kamchatka.

Foolish is, who does trust ANY government anywhere.

Of course, same applies to Albanians being on American remote control, too. The difference is, the political maturity of most citizens of ex-USSR seem to be somewhat better.

I am sure, this comment will generate a "huge" number of recommendations from both Russians and Albanians, but it's here not because of that.

You are not getting it, the ICJ resolution, it will pass, and that is not to prove the legitimacy of Kosovas independence, because according to the world powers the independence of Kosova is enough legitimate, but is to prove once and for all, to the serbian radicals, that all the noise thay make, is for nothing, so the Balkan states should move forward.
Everyone knows, that there can't be turning back, what is done is done and the people of Kosova will live in their new state as citizens of Kosova, as will live the serbian people as citizens of Serbia, and with the ICJ ruling the both states will end in EU ( there is not other choice).
However , that who thinks, that any kind of ICJ ruling would be in favor or disfavor of Serbia or Kosova, is very wrong, the countries will recognise Kosova, as they will build the realtions with Serbia, and at the end, will be the politicans who really made good money and traveled the world.

Well said -Jeff1D-
I completely agree with both points you raised (ICJ and Mr. Hyseni).
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(Carlos, Portugal, 6 October 2008 15:13) Thank you very much Carlos
THANK YOU VERY MUCH PORTUGAL
VIVA PORTUGAL OBRIGADA MUCHO

So this Fazllic saga will go unnoticed at B92? or have i missed it somewhere.


dingdong - We've had Iraq's "chemical Ali" and now we have albania's "hilarious Hyseni"!

Hyseni does not know what he is doing.

Chem Ali did know what he was doing, so did his friends Milosevic and Co.

Jevic,
“Soon the separatists in Pristina will have no course but to agree on the resumption of the status negotiation with Belgrade since recognition will be halted and some of the 47 states will retract their recognition of the UDI.
(Jevic, 6 October 2008 10:25)”

Jevic, just to remind you that we are not playing here a childish games; so no retraction have ever and would ever happen, and as far of the status negotiation is concerned, that’s, my friend, OVER.
As far as the ICJ advisory opinion concerned, If Serbia’s request passes the UN GA, I am truly convinced that the outcome will be in favour of Kosova’s independence. My concern is whether will Serbia accept and agree with such an opinion?
In my opinion, Serbia officials should agree with such an opinion, as they asked for that, and immediately after that recognize our independence as a good neighbor.

B-92
“Kosovo Albanian official Skender Hyseni said on .....”

Just for your information, Mr. Skender Hyseni is not just an official but his exact title is Minister of Foreign Affairs (MFA).

Boy, Serbia is hellbent on ruining it's own chances at entering the EU ain't it?

Well, if the system is designed to make most resolutions pass, then we shall look at the ICJ decision. Albanians usually do great in world courts. It's the Serbs who usually complain, say it ain't so. :)

You guy's can call Skender Hyseni what you want but he's got the support of the most powerful country's in the world, have you ever noticed how relaxed he is as foreign minister of independent Kosova, and why not? he's got absolute full support from USA and EUROPE we can waste energy which ever way as long as we want.I would agree if anyone says that Mr Skender Hyseni got the best and the most stress less job anyone can get all he has to do is come out with a little statement meanwhile the big decision's are made and fought for him in the west. Well what can i say, what a job and what a smart man.

for all those that say Kosovo is not independent, go and say that in Prishtina, or even better with that attitude you will never be able to enter Prishtina or Kosovo for that matter.

It is every countries right to ask for an opinion of UNGA as a member, however it does not mean that it has any effect on the actual situation on the ground. i.e. NATO could not get permission to bomb Serbia for 78 days through the UNSC due to Russia and that took place as all you serbs know. And if you think that is bad and your waving the Russian flag, you need to remember that Russia did not even ask the UNSC to bomb the Georgians!

some of the serbs here have said in the past that the UN is an American poppet NOW why ask for the popets opinion on what they have actually started or sorry rather finished you off.

remember all that this is an opinion not a ruling. it will not stop Montenegro or Macedonia recognising the independence of Kosovo let alone the rest of the world. Actually in my opinion more weight is put towards the recognition of Kosovo by these two countries then this UNGA opinion.

so as Foreign Minister Hyseni said; this will have not effect on the long term, however this will affect the long term relationships between the two countries. Remember 100 thousand serbs live in the Republic of Kosovo.

Great comment Jeff1D,

I completely agree with both points you raised (ICJ and Mr. Hyseni).
Though ICJ ruling (either way) has and will not have any actual impact on Kosovo, nobody can criticise Mr. Jeremic for the work he is putting (and for his expertise).
I personally congratulate him on a job well done.
He can definitely say he tried his best in the end.
If only Mr. Hyseni had 10% of his diplomatic expertise and 5% of Mr. Jeremic�s commitment.
I personally believe that Mr. Hyseni should be replaced as soon as possible and held accountable for his failures to achieve the expected targets.
Ok, we can say that Mr. Jeremic had Russia�s backing however at the same time Mr. Hyseni had even a stronger backing of USA.
On the other side Mr. Jeremic is constantly working and Mr. Hyseni is waiting for things to happen by themselves (or to be initiated by somebody else).
We have e huge number of intellectuals that can do a better job than Mr. Hyseni in their sleep. These are the people that should be put in charge.
Personally I would not put Mr. Hyseni to serve tea to anybody, let alone run the foreign policy.
His lack of knowledge has costed us 6 months worth of diplomacy recovery we cannot afford.
Kosovo has achieved the main goal (independence) however with people like Mr. Hyseni the economical recovery will suffer as a result of his lack of knowledge and commitment. Every day with him costs Kosovo economically.

Hi everyone. Believe it or not everybody seems to be exited about this ICJ thing.
Serbians believe that after the ICJ ruling they will get Kosovo back. How will they convince 2 million Albanians to live AGAIN under the serbian rule? K-albanians instead believe that after the ICJ ruling many countries including their neighbour Serbia, will recognise Kosovo as Indipendent. I sure hope so that this go all the way to the court and we will get a fair trial but i'm afraid this is all US politics at it's best.
There is a conspiracy here. I think this is all started by the US. They already know the outcome. This is the only and quiker way to make more countries recognise Kosovo. If they had any problem with it i don't think Serbia's initiative would've reached UN. Think about it. US and the west dominate the hole of international organisations. Think of the donations they make. I think the serbian side will be dissapointed.
Saudi Arabia,Portugal,Montenegro,Fyrom have already said that they will recognise Kosovo.
Have a good time and do not insult each other.

However, if Albanians don't want to live on Serbian soil rgwb no one is going to force them and they can still return to their homeland.
(ZK BG, 6 October 2008 21:01)

ZK,

Kosovo Albanians live in their homeland, something you cannot say for Serbs. Look further North East (quite far) and you’ll get closer.

Well said -Jeff1D-
I completely agree with both points you raised (ICJ and Mr. Hyseni).
[link]
(Carlos, Portugal, 6 October 2008 15:13) Thank you very much Carlos
THANK YOU VERY MUCH PORTUGAL
VIVA PORTUGAL OBRIGADA MUCHO

Accept it or not predictor, Kosovo separatists will have to sit down again with Belgrade for status negotiation coz your so called state will be "frozen" for good.

IT'S NOT OVER YET AND SERBIA IN THE END WILL WIN JUSTICE

Soon the separatists in Pristina will have no course but to agree on the resumption of the status negotiation with Belgrade since recognition will be halted and some of the 47 states will retract their recognition of the UDI.
(Jevic, 6 October 2008 10:25

No one will ever retract its decision. This I assure you will never happen. However, the issue of legality should go to the court so that the court can hear both sides of the story and issue a decision. No one in the right mind would deny Serbia its right to seek the opinion of the court. Even states that recognized Kosovo would not vote against the Serb initiative. What Serbia is failing to recognize is the fact that when all is said and done it will lose in the court. I am confident that court will rule in Kosovo’s favor. Perhaps that is better because the government or the future governments in Serbia could say that we did all we could to stop the process but everything has its limits. This is how the issue should have been resolved from the beginning instead of going to war and un-necessarily destroying innocent lives and causing millions of dollars in damage.

As for Mr. Hyseni the foreign minister of Kosovo, he should retire from politics. I think he is useless and clueless. My grandmother who is 90 years old is a better diplomat that he is. Mr. Jeremic ran circles around him.

This is a lesson for Kosovo politicians. Quit this practice of nominating people to high positions that are blood related to the PM and the President and start nominating people to high posts based on the merit. Both Surroi and Vlasi, well known Kosovo politicians are left out of the game to make room for useless individuals like Hyseni. The Serb government should send him a thank you note for being so ineffective and making this entire process so easy to handle.

How will they convince 2 million Albanians to live AGAIN under the serbian rule?
(Albanian, 6 October 2008 17:33)
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Quite simply, the Serbian offer has always been for Albanian self rule in Kosovo so there is no convincing necessary. However, if Albanians don't want to live on Serbian soil rgwb no one is going to force them and they can still return to their homeland.
(ZK BG, 6 October 2008 21:01)

ZK BG, congratulations, your contributions have now finally earned you a membership in Jovan's club
By the way, they did go back to their homeland - in 1999 after the Serbian state apparatus drove half of them out of their homeland.

I look forward to your reply, that is if B92 does not censor this like they sometimes do with my comments.
Cheers

Soon the separatists in Pristina will have no course but to agree on the resumption of the status negotiation with Belgrade since recognition will be halted and some of the 47 states will retract their recognition of the UDI.

>Mr. Skender Hyseni is not just an official
>but his exact title is Minister of Foreign Affairs (MFA).
(predictor, 6 October 2008 11:58)

Vuk Jeremic changed his name?


>I am still waiting for that
>enormous tsunami of recognitions...
(Jovan, 6 October 2008 12:31)

Jovan, I expect Montenegro and FYROM. This is not tsunami per se, but unpleasant enough. The "tsunami" will be inside of Montenegro and FYROM afterwards. Not sure, both statelets will survive even middle-term that "tsunami".

How will they convince 2 million Albanians to live AGAIN under the serbian rule?
(Albanian, 6 October 2008 17:33)
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Quite simply, the Serbian offer has always been for Albanian self rule in Kosovo so there is no convincing necessary. However, if Albanians don't want to live on Serbian soil rgwb no one is going to force them and they can still return to their homeland.

To Carlos

I remember when i was in Portugal during the war, in one hand hundreds of people greeting us and welcoming on the other hand in that small place there was banner asking NATO to stop bombing Serbs in Balkan, but i quickly came to realise that some of you have not healed properly from the past, and i do get the feeling that some of you are really in the wrong corner of Europe, one opinion and one article does not represent the portugese view never the less it's YOU the people who voted them, its a shame after all these years some of you still need the help of others to guide you towards the west, how ironic you are the furthest in the west but very narrowed.

Hyseni does not know what he is doing.
(Prishtina08, 6 October 2008 10:47)
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Thanks for pointing that out Prishtina as neither does he know what he is saying. On the one hand he said that the ICJ initiative will have no long-term effect on Kosovo but then later said one long-term consequence of the initiative could be "on the relations between Kosovo and Serbia".

That seems to be a common theme for all of "Kosova's" politicians. Like when they say "Kosova is independent" but then say "Kosovo Albanian officials will not attend the UN General Assembly during the debate and voting on Wednesday, since Kosovo is not a UN member."

In other words, Kosovo is not independent no matter what these puppets would like us to believe. The truth does hurt in this case and the sooner the Albanians get over it the better. I suppose all of this doublespeak will do for now.

Yes, I'm looking forward to the vote. Apart from potentially bringing the issue to the International Court of Justice for their (hopefully) impartial judgement / recommendation,
it also brings the Kosovo issue back to the international arena.

This issue and issues like it will not go away. I am convinced that the world needs guidance on nation states vs independence movements and hope that the ICJ will be able to provide something in that regard.

Closing your eyes and hoping to deal with problems on a case by case basis is not enough.

"...he was convinced that it will not affect those countries that are preparing to recognize Kosovo"

This guy seems to be an expert in auto training but his hipnosis affect is close to zero. To his dissapointment the recognition process may quite switch it's reverce mode. To say nothing of the short list of those who else could be forced to recognize the K-Ghetto as a state. Maybe he means Georgia which has already nothing to loose ?

Let's play this chess after the economic crisis when the shift of balance of force becomes more evident. Europe has got only one REAL ally and it is Russia. We provide big part of the freedom the Europeans enjoy. And we are in no case going to betray our Serbian once again. We were already punished by Eltsyn for everything we did after 1991.

The ICJ ruling may not defeat the American recognition; but it will show to the world, how a small European country brought international shame to the mighty empire.

You are not getting it, the ICJ resolution, it will pass, and that is not to prove the legitimacy of Kosovas independence, because according to the world powers the independence of Kosova is enough legitimate, but is to prove once and for all, to the serbian radicals, that all the noise thay make, is for nothing, so the Balkan states should move forward.
Everyone knows, that there can't be turning back, what is done is done and the people of Kosova will live in their new state as citizens of Kosova, as will live the serbian people as citizens of Serbia, and with the ICJ ruling the both states will end in EU ( there is not other choice).
However , that who thinks, that any kind of ICJ ruling would be in favor or disfavor of Serbia or Kosova, is very wrong, the countries will recognise Kosova, as they will build the realtions with Serbia, and at the end, will be the politicans who really made good money and traveled the world.

We've had Iraq's "chemical Ali" and now we have albania's "hilarious Hyseni"! This guy hasn't got a clue what he's talking about. The ICJ will rule in Serbia's favour. That's a given. It's why the countries that have recognised Kosovo have been doing all they can to block Serbia's initiative. The "Kosovo project" will be consigned to the history books as an absolute failure!

Albanians could be disappointed.

by the way, since hilarious Hyseni is telling fairytales...

I am still waiting for that enormous tsunami of recognitions...

Jovan

Can you not hear the tsunami?! It's coming but it's not a tsunami as we know it. This tsunami is the wave of revokations that will come after the ICJ ruling.

predictor:
> so no retraction have ever and would ever happen,

Countries have retracted recognitions on numerous occasions, & could happen in the case of 'pseudo-state' very easily.

Taiwan has in the past, been recognised by 58 countries. Now it is recognised by 22. 36 countries have withdrawn their recognition - including ALL of the G7.

Costa Rica has already indicated that it would withdraw recognition from the 'pseudo-state' should the ICJ rule in favour of Serbia. Others will likely follow suit.

Will the ICJ support Serbia's bid?

I suspect so, should the initiative reach it (which is looking ever likelier), but I am not so arrogant as to pre-empt the outcome of it's decision as apparently you are.


Funcakes:
> Albanians usually do great in world courts.
Well then, you have nothing to worry about, not so?

That's if you know what you are talking about which I strongly doubt. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it your belief that the ICJ had to come to a consensus in order to make a ruling?

Weren't you the one who thought the US/UK/France could veto it's advisory opinion?

And didn't you also say that 'pseudo-state' would be recognised by at least 97 countries by now?

Meanwhile, if the GA votes for Serbia's initative, the 'reality on the ground' will be status freezing while the ICJ make's up it's mind. In that event, will be good practice for K-albanians should the ICJ rule in Serbia's favour - stagnation or negotiation.


Jeff1D:
> No one will ever retract its decision.
See above.

> No one in the right mind would deny Serbia its right to seek the opinion of the court.
Baloney.

> Even states that recognized Kosovo would not vote against the Serb initiative.
Not effectively after the fact at any rate.

> I am confident that court will rule in Kosovo’s favor.
That's nice.

Was also the case that a lot of people were confident Serbia's bid would fail at the GA as well.

Appears likely that they will be proven wrong.

So much for 'confidence'.

@6 Bgannon, well said.

"Recognitions can be expected in the coming days ahead of the voting on the resolution" I am ashamed to inform that Portugal will be one of those countries. After a visit of Condoleezza Rice two weeks ago to Lisboa, after decades of my country defending the international law, for example, in the very sensitive case of Timor Leste, the socialist government will inform tomorrow the Portuguese parliament of the recognition of the comical and fake state of Kosovo. I am very sorry! This does not reflect the opinion of the majority of Portuguese people. One only needs to read online newspapers...

http://ultimahora.publico.clix.pt/noticia.aspx?id=1344796&idCanal=12

And we are in no case going to betray our Serbian once again.
(Hand of Moscow, 6 October 2008 23:16)

Who's the "we"? The majority of ex-USSR population, that is including most Ukrainians, most Baltics, almost all Russians, majority of Georgians: of course, not. And they never betrayed. Totally agree.

But the respective governments? They betrayed and skinned and plundered their own people - and not once. I can provide you a sad list long enough. From Estonia to Georgia, from Ukraine to Kamchatka.

Foolish is, who does trust ANY government anywhere.

Of course, same applies to Albanians being on American remote control, too. The difference is, the political maturity of most citizens of ex-USSR seem to be somewhat better.

I am sure, this comment will generate a "huge" number of recommendations from both Russians and Albanians, but it's here not because of that.

its a shame after all these years some of you still need the help of others to guide you towards the west, how ironic you are the furthest in the west but very narrowed.
(Prishtina08, 7 October 2008 01:04)

they don't have illyrian blood in them, the portuguese. or perhaps some people don't like to be "guided", but prefer to make decisions for themselves and loathe it when their government accepts the "guidance" from others. "supervised independence" is not acceptible to everyone. and calling people "narrowed" (i assume "narrow-minded") just because they don't agree with you is really rich.