Serb graves desecrated in Kosovo

"undertake all measures to find the perpetrators and bring them to justice"

yeah right, we all know that will NOT happen.

Surely this cannot be the same democratic, stability enhancing Kosovo that we always hear about?!

It was just a bunch of bored teenagers looking for a bit of harmless fun. Isn't that right, my Albanian friends?

I can't wait to read your response to this.

thank you so much Agim!

with that comment, this ugly and shameful act being just a " simple theft" you have said enough.

that serves the serbian cause for reintegration of the serbian southern-province quite well.

Hello,

Shameful act! Destroying someones grave and defacing it this way is very disgracefull. No matter whether you take the letters off of the headstone or completely flip the headstones this is completely unacceptable. However, we should know better Albanians in Kosovo have acted this way for many years this isn't the first. Its to bad CNN doesn't put this on their headlines. time. So the world can see what kind of people they are.

No you guys have i wrong.

Surely this is the work of Serbian MUP or Kostunica?

Unfortunately the Albanian "gang" never misses the opportunity to miss the opportunity to reconcile. How sad. Few better words cost nothing, but the prize not saying them is big.

wonder what will ZK UK say about this. Whatever he says would not surprise me at all!
(AO KS, 6 October 2008 15:10)
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I don't have to say anything. By not condemning this crime and coming up with some kind of justification, the Albanians are saying it all. Of course, if it was a Serbian doing it, it would be headline news on CNN.

First of all the word "desecrated" does not fit the narrative. If brass engravings are stolen is simply theft.Many cases of theft, mostly anything of value to be sold for scrap metal have been going on
throughout Kosovo. Most of the cases solved have turned out to be Romas, and in some cases they have been cought right handed.But, why not blame K-Albaninas and make an issue out of a simple theft for personal gains into a interethnic issue.

Yes, it was just a bunch of bored teenagers looking for a bit of harmless fun.
(qemal, 6 October 2008 20:56)

Qemal, your definition of fun is disturbing. That kind of rhetoric, on ALL SIDES, is what is wrong with the balkans.

Hruz

Unfortunately we have very similar problems here in Poland regarding such theft on account of Roma poverty. Sometimes copper cables are stolen leaving villages without power/heating.

I doubt that the Albanians would have stolen valuable parts of the tombstones, perhaps some angry teenagers might have smashed a tombstone, but this was not the case this time.

Sometimes things are grey and other times they are simple- black and white. Either you condemn this sort of behaviour or you try to add nonsensical context and justifications. There is no credibility in justifying these actions; there is not even self-interest. It is not in the interest of anyone's goal or reputation to do such things, and I wonder why some posters unabashedly defend, and therefore personally associate themselves with such perverted activities.

hey agim if it was the roma that did this, how come its always the serbian graves that are being destroyed and never the albanian graves. give me a brake

how disgusting and hideous!
And the Albanian readers here try to present it as perfectly normal!
Well obviously, what's considered to be normal for you is criminal for the rest of the world.
Having said that still, I find these reactions and 'explanations' here scary.
What kind of people are you?

You all know that metal theft is happening everywhere especially Eastern Europe due to the poverty of gypsies. This kind of crime has nothing to do with religious belief.

Some examples.

In Hungary, ancient bells were stolen, weighing almost a ton from village churches.

Copper relay switches were stolen from railway crossing. Result: light didn;t change to red, school crashed, 13 children died.

Live tram wires were short circuited and stolen, in the morning, the tram line was paralized in Budapest...

These mostly gypsy perpetrators do not care even if it is their lives at stake.

Of course, you can continue blaming Albanians even for the cold wind in Belgrade, yes, they are blowing it....

"You all know that metal theft is happening everywhere especially Eastern Europe due to the poverty of gypsies."

It happens everywhere. And it is ignorant to single out any ethnic group as the perpetrators. And don't forget, that without your *own* ethnic group being so happy to buy the stolen metal from the thieves (and at the same time, defraud the tax system) the problem would be much smaller. So go ahead, throw the first stone please.

Sometimes things are grey and other times they are simple- black and white. Either you condemn this sort of behaviour or you try to add nonsensical context and justifications.
(Marko, 6 October 2008 18:19)

Precisely. IMO, the proper answer to this is:

"Who did it was an idiot, regardless of his ethnic background hope, he will get a good lession".

Switching back and forth between alleged "Albanian" and "Gypsy" criminals does not make sense. Who did it was a first-class idiot, probably drunk or whatever. The gravity of the case is not particularly big, but nasty enough to make more quarrel.

BTW: it's way to early quessing, why was the tragedy today. The "black box" of the train wasn't even decyphered, but already hints that Gypsies are to balme? MÁV is a company under permanent crisis, worker's morale is pretty low, I am glad it still does function to an acceptable degree - until today without major incidents. :(

Let's hope, that the severly injured British tourist will live and the number of dead won't increase further.

"I feel bad about this, but this is something that can happen all over the world, and the CNN doesn't have to cover them all.

it could happen all over the world, yes...but actually it happens, where the Albanians are in a majority.

only coincidental, of course....


what makes me wonder: our K-albanians here are constantly writing about their sense of honor and pride and so on...

but what kind of honor or pride is it that makes someone do that to buried bodies... and what kind of honor or pride is it, that makes others belittling this cowardly behaviour?

thanks to god I know some Albanians who are NOT like you.


Greets from Prishtina!
(AO KS, 6 October 2008 15:10)"

I wonder what will ZK UK say about this. Whatever he says would not surprise me at all!

This is just a simple theft, as Agim said. Don't try to link it with ethnicity.

I think you guys have forgotten the slogan "Kosovo za patike"! I bet you were 'proud' of those actions, that were caught on tape and the whole world saw them.

People try to take advantage, whatever the situation might be, just like we, the Albanians (and pro-Albanians), and you Serbs (and pro-Serbs) do here in B92 when there are good/bad news about Kosova/Serbia.

I feel bad about this, but this is something that can happen all over the world, and the CNN doesn't have to cover them all.

Greets from Prishtina!

"undertake all measures to find the perpetrators and bring them to justice"

Hmmmm....just like the KPS has found the criminals who machine gunned the Serb CHILDREN swimming in the River Bistrica back in August of 2003. If the so called authorities won't arrest child murderers after more than five years what makes one think they will arrest common grave robbers ever.

so pleurat you don't want to be personally responsible for such shameful act!indeed,such act is only for public contempt.as well as it's church and monasteries destruction,private and public properties demolitions by armed gangs or insane individuals.we do agree so far,but then it comes tricky part,if you think that every crime is personal act of certain individual why then you and so many other albanians from kosovo province, always insist that serbs should collectively take blame for crimes some individuals commit?isn't a double standard to point finger in whole serbian nation for all the wrongs and then to insist on individual guilt done by albanians?

Dear Jan Andersen,

Remember the movie: Matrix, take the blue or the red pill.

You can put your head in the sand and ignore the problem, but it will still exist. I am more competent than you would believe in this issue, far from ignorant.

Metal theft is a predominantly gypsy activity in Hungary, and I believe ex Yugoslavia is no exception.

By the way, scrap metal dealers are also predominantly gypsies where I came from.

Like it or not, facts are facts, you can twist it to be "trendy" and be politically correct, but that will not help neither gypsies nor the majority population.

By the way, just this morning we had another deadly train crash, near a gypsy settlement, 4 died. The light was faulty, due to the stolen metal sensors, and a fast train crased into another train that stopped at the false signal.

http://www.origo.hu/itthon/20081006-ket-vonat-utkozott-ossze-monorierdonel.html

To Peggy:

Yes, it was just a bunch of bored teenagers looking for a bit of harmless fun.

'Do you know who said this? Commander of Serbias Anti-Terror Unit, Spasoje Vulevic.'

first of all, that's mr. vulevic to you albanians, and you know it :)

anyway vulevic was a member of pristina saj during the war. saj which is a regular mup unit saved the survivors in podujevo. saj medics saved five albanian children that day. paramilitaries who acted illegally are on trial in serbia. and, none of them cut out their victims organs to sell them and then became prime minister.
so as trolling goes, your post is substandard. or are you trying to prove that serbia has superb police and is country ruled by law? in which case, thanks.

as for the article about the desecration which turns the stomach of any decent human being regardless of nationality. except perhaps those who say they have no religion, no allegiance, no mother no father, so i guess they don’t care.

we serbs do have our religion, our past, our land, our mothers and fathers, and cemeteries are holy land to us since they hold the remains of our loved ones.
this incident with tombstones is just one of many in kosovo. in pristina and in kosovska mitrovica serb graves have been totally desecrated for years now, not to mention burned mediaeval churches and monasteries, and serbs can only visit the burial places of their loved ones under armed escort. the 40 serbs that remain in pristina that is. 0 serbs live in southern kosovska mitrovica. only broken headstones and torn crosses remain of the serbs there.
so be proud albanians, dont let civilized fussing about how disgusting it is to disturb someone's resting place upset you or distract you. just find a little time to also be very proud in your joy over this accomplishment. the future of such society must be very bright, there's no other way.

marko,

I was being sarcastic towards Peggy and her comment of generalizing all Albanians collectively.

That's why I copied her every word, word for word.

Jovan,

I have to defend AO KS to some degree.

1) AO KS sends everyone greetings from Pristina. This is much better than the constant provocation we see from others. I send him greetings from Budapest right now, thanks AO for your greetings :)

2) AO feels bad about this incident and he is right, idiots who do that are not uncommon. I agree with him, this is not a case what should be on the front cover of a newspaper and we all have to exercise the "innocent until proven guilty" method. As long as we do not know who was guilty - and perhaps we will never know - all we can say, is not that he was "Albanian", "Gypsy" or "Turk" - but merely a "petty criminal + major idiot".

In my opinion, AO said (pretty close) everything, what is proper and he is one of Albanians here who DID NOT miss the opportunity I complained about earlier.

Thanks for that...

well Ataman,
while this guy is sending you greetings from Priština, how about asking him whether he condemns the brutal beating of an 78-year old serb woman by some albanian teens? it happened in down-town Priština...

how about asking him that instead of "defending" him?

seriously, there was only ONE single Albananian who condemned that cowardly act and asked for the name of that woman to provide some help for her, I have forgotten his name, but it was ONLY ONE of all these innocent lambs here who are constantly whining and portraying themselves as victims who only strive for "freedom"...

and I have countless times asked them to condemn it - they remained silent.


better think twice, Ataman, before you start defending someone here.

AO is free to publicly condemn this cowardly act, I am quite curious what his reaction will be, if there is any at all.

"thanks for that..."


as for AO who is writing about massgraves and combining that with a smiley...what shows me that he´s not to be taken seriously...:

I don´t have to google, since I know very well what is truth and what is albanian propaganda.
my dear friend...

"What about those who killed hundreds of children, elders and women during the Kosova war?"

First of all, you just made my case for your comment, it was WAR (not that it excuses those who commit crimes against innocent civilians). The Serb children that were machine gunned were killed or wounded years after the war ended, as the West was preparing to unleash the wonderful "multi-ethnic" entity of KosovO on the region and the world.

"When will your Police arrest and bring to justice those murderers?"

As far as the Scorpions are concerned, my country, the USA, isn't involved in bringing them to justice, BUT Belgrade has brought some of the to trial for their role in executing six Bosniaks in 1995 during the war in Bosnia... see this B92 summary of the incident and trial proceedings, as well as, incidents in Kosovo.

http://www.b92.net/eng/insight/reports.php?yyyy=2007&mm=01&nav_id=39011

Now, tell me when will the ethnic Albanian authorities in Pristina do the same, when will they put their Prime Minister on trial for trafficking the organs of Serb prisoners (they won't and that is why the Czech Prime Minister is asking the UN to do it's own investigation on the matter).

Looks like the Serb prejudices run deep for we do not even know what the ethnicity of these individuals who stole such metals.
Thus out of something shameful and Earthly, we have found the lack of spirituality among self-praising Serbs.

COMPLAIN TO Pieter Feith

while I condemn every crime that happens in Serbia, Atamans albanian friend AO did not even write a single word of condemnation in regard to the old woman that was beaten up by albanian extremists.

I´d say that is showing who AO really is, right?

as a sidenote: you make a terrible mistake if you believe that Serbia will "stop for gods sake".

we have thrown out the ottomans after five centuries of brutal oppression, and NATO won´t stay that long, that´s something you can count on...

and WE won´t let you go with our territory, you will learn that, my friend. I think it´s only a question of time until you realize it..

AO...

in regard to the beaten up man in Belgrade, you should read my comment a little bit more carefully. perhaps you will realize what I have written.

as for your condemnation: very good, you make a joke of it... that´s what I expected, if I am honest.

and in regard to your accusation that I am threatening... my friend, don´t you realize WHO is threatening all the time here?

it´s the K-albanians, threatening with "hell will brake loose" ( yes, he wrote brake, instead of break! )

well, either you are new to this, or you just deliberately ignore the basic facts of this little edutainment-forum...

it´s the Albanians who are constantly threatening and offending.

but what is much worse, they are not only threaening, ..they are even REALLY burning churches, monasteries, desacrating graves and graveyards, beating up old women...

the list could go on and on..

and you have the nerve to ask me not to offend you?

absurd...

and everything will be fine. you will see. except you are a criminal and end up behind bars, but I´d say if you are a n innocent and decent person, you don´t have to fear Serbia...

not at all.

it is your state, too. just yesterday, there was a report about Albanians coming to Niš in order to get serbian documents...

they do that because they have so much trust in this little stillborn creature you call "kosova" .. :)

justice will prevail,indeed, and "your time" will not last long, I am quite confident.

Your comments are not worth a reply for the simple reason that I did not do such a thing and you are blaming us all.The best thing for you to do is be a bit more closer to the grave sides more often and not beeing (safe)within the ghetos from where you are pointig your finger to the Albanians.It is a bad show of disrespect for this ugly crime,but try and be a bit more serious and constructive.For whatever reason it was done,I do not associate myself with the culprits.Every normal human should speak out against this low act with fairnes.

I know who did this this very low act did George bush,Fatmir sejdiu and Hashim thaqi I saw 3 of them talking about it night before.Weak up people don't try every single case to politicized many times even Albanian graves has been demolished nobody blamed Serbs,that's act of young thugs who think that's funn

but what kind of honor or pride is it that makes someone do that to buried bodies... and what kind of honor or pride is it, that makes others belittling this cowardly behaviour?

thanks to god I know some Albanians who are NOT like you.

(Jovan, 7 October 2008 00:21)

Let me remind you Jovan that Serbs have done much more horrible things, and comparing them with this one, this is a -10 (minus ten)! Not even they have desecrated graves, but they have burned and 'buried' dead bodies in the TRUCKS heading to Serbia. We all are aware of the mass-graves found in Serbia with Albanian bodies, so stop playing the angel's role here ;).

I said pretty much all I wanted to say in my previous post, and Ataman filled the gaps for me, so before attacking me (i.e. Albanians) about this incident, try Googleing for "Mass graves in Serbia", and read the first result only, don't bother reading them all (cz there are many of them).

Thank God I know many Serbs who are, luckily, NOT like you either!

Hmmmm....just like the KPS has found the criminals who machine gunned the Serb CHILDREN swimming in the River Bistrica back in August of 2003. If the so called authorities won't arrest child murderers after more than five years what makes one think they will arrest common grave robbers ever.
(LMN II, USA, 8 October 2008 13:41)"

What about those who killed hundreds of children, elders and women during the Kosova war? Yesterday I read an article saying that the so-called (Serbian pride) gang "Scorpions" are responsible for the Podujeva massacre where 14 people were massacred and it all happened in less than 10 minutes. Do you know who said this? Commander of Serbias Anti-Terror Unit, Spasoje Vulevic.
http://news.uk.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=9985465

When will your Police arrest and bring to justice those murderers?

Greets from Prishtina!

Jovan, stop it for God's sake. Whatever you say, it should be right, and whatever I say, it is an Albanian propaganda!

This is one case only: Hysni Bytici, Albanian human rights lawyer from Belgrade has been severely injured in an attack at his home in Belgrade (March 16 2000)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/mar/26/balkans


LMN II, USA, good news on this case, the perpetrator has been caught so prepare to read the news here in B92 after a while cz I already read the Kosova Police report.
Now it's time to seek responsibility from your Police Force to bring to justice all the Serb 'criminals'!

Greets from Prishtina!

Now, tell me when will the ethnic Albanian authorities in Pristina do the same, when will they put their Prime Minister on trial for trafficking the organs of Serb prisoners (they won't and that is why the Czech Prime Minister is asking the UN to do it's own investigation on the matter).
(LMN II, 8 October 2008 15:43)

Evidence man! Give me a believable source (not a Serbian, or a pro-Serbian) so I can see when did my Prime Minister got involved in trafficking with organs of the Serb prisoners! (Not the Carla del Ponte book, cz it is not based on facts, and if those allegations were true, she would have mentioned them during the time when she was a Chief Prosecutor trying my ex-Prime Minister who came clear of all the charges).

Greets from Prishtina!

“while I condemn every crime that happens in Serbia, Atamans albanian friend AO did not even write a single word of condemnation in regard to the old woman that was beaten up by albanian extremists.

I´d say that is showing who AO really is, right?

as a sidenote: you make a terrible mistake if you believe that Serbia will "stop for gods sake".

we have thrown out the ottomans after five centuries of brutal oppression, and NATO won´t stay that long, that´s something you can count on...

and WE won´t let you go with our territory, you will learn that, my friend. I think it´s only a question of time until you realize it..”

While I never threatened you and your country, I expect you do the same thing! I never asked from Serbia to stop “for the God’s sake”, I asked from you, because, as you (Serbians) always say (and it’s a fact), a person doesn’t represent the whole country/nation (except the Foreign Ministers, Presidents, Prime Ministers, even though sometimes they act against our wishes). I expect from you to be my best neighbor (after the ICJ ruling) and have the best relations one can ever have. I know this is not accepted by your side, but at the end, you will have to accept that, whether you like or not. If you refer to the notion that justice prevails all the time, well my neighbor, this is our TIME.

As for the beaten old-lady in Prishtina, I never knew about this case, but if you say so and if it makes you feel better, I condemn it. There, happy? It is not if I condemn it or we, the people, do it, it’s up to the institutions to bring the criminals to the justice. As long as I don’t support those criminals, I’m not a part of it. I said in some earlier posts that I have 4 Serbian friends in Prishtina, two guys and two girls, so don’t tie me up with them criminals! And please, try not offending me, as long as I don’t offend you!!!

Speaking of condemnation (since you mentioned it), I also mentioned a case of an Albanian man beaten in Belgrade. Is there a condemnation from your side?

To Smile who says, “the 40 serbs that remain in pristina that is. 0 serbs live in southern kosovska mitrovica.”

I never counted how many Serbs live in Prishtina or in Southern part of Mitrovica. But, even if that number is correct, don’t you think that Serbs as well are to blame (when I say “Serbs as well”, mark my words cz I blame Albanians too)? By not allowing Albanians to live peacefully in the Northern part of Mitrovica, why on earth do you think Serbs could live peacefully elsewhere? This really annoys me sometimes, since you tend to compare how many Serbs live here, how many Serbs live there. Have it ever crossed your mind to count how many Albanians live in Belgrade and compare that number with the Albanians living in Belgrade before 1999?

To all of you who say Kosova “is your Heartland” and blah, blah, blah, I have a (some) question(s): Have you ever, and if yes, how many times have you guys been to your “Heartland”? If someone responses YES, explain to me where have you been and what have you seen, by explaining it in details (don’t try to cheat me with the INTERNET web-site stories of Kosova).

Greets from Prishtina!

To Jovan,
I feel your frustration at trying to get through to the Albanian posters here.
I say to you, give up. They all KNOW the truth but will never accept it, much less admit it.
The truth doesn't serve their purpose so we cannot expect them to turn to it.

What I have seen here is that they all twist words and put words in everyone's mouth who doesn't agree with them. If you support the Serbian argument you are called pro-Serb (as is that was a bad thing anyway). They think that they can scare you into not supporting the Serbian side by calling you pro-Serb.

There is no shame in supporting the right side or being pro-Serb.

Most of the world has not and will not recognize thier fake state for precisely that reason. They all KNOW the truth too, despite the efforts of Albanian lobby groups to buy as much propaganda time as possible.

BTW, how is that Kosovo advertising going for them?

First of all the word "desecrated" does not fit the narrative. If brass engravings are stolen is simply theft.Many cases of theft, mostly anything of value to be sold for scrap metal have been going on
throughout Kosovo. Most of the cases solved have turned out to be Romas, and in some cases they have been cought right handed.But, why not blame K-Albaninas and make an issue out of a simple theft for personal gains into a interethnic issue.

I wonder what will ZK UK say about this. Whatever he says would not surprise me at all!

This is just a simple theft, as Agim said. Don't try to link it with ethnicity.

I think you guys have forgotten the slogan "Kosovo za patike"! I bet you were 'proud' of those actions, that were caught on tape and the whole world saw them.

People try to take advantage, whatever the situation might be, just like we, the Albanians (and pro-Albanians), and you Serbs (and pro-Serbs) do here in B92 when there are good/bad news about Kosova/Serbia.

I feel bad about this, but this is something that can happen all over the world, and the CNN doesn't have to cover them all.

Greets from Prishtina!

You all know that metal theft is happening everywhere especially Eastern Europe due to the poverty of gypsies. This kind of crime has nothing to do with religious belief.

Some examples.

In Hungary, ancient bells were stolen, weighing almost a ton from village churches.

Copper relay switches were stolen from railway crossing. Result: light didn;t change to red, school crashed, 13 children died.

Live tram wires were short circuited and stolen, in the morning, the tram line was paralized in Budapest...

These mostly gypsy perpetrators do not care even if it is their lives at stake.

Of course, you can continue blaming Albanians even for the cold wind in Belgrade, yes, they are blowing it....

"You all know that metal theft is happening everywhere especially Eastern Europe due to the poverty of gypsies."

It happens everywhere. And it is ignorant to single out any ethnic group as the perpetrators. And don't forget, that without your *own* ethnic group being so happy to buy the stolen metal from the thieves (and at the same time, defraud the tax system) the problem would be much smaller. So go ahead, throw the first stone please.

To Peggy:

Yes, it was just a bunch of bored teenagers looking for a bit of harmless fun.

Looks like the Serb prejudices run deep for we do not even know what the ethnicity of these individuals who stole such metals.
Thus out of something shameful and Earthly, we have found the lack of spirituality among self-praising Serbs.

but what kind of honor or pride is it that makes someone do that to buried bodies... and what kind of honor or pride is it, that makes others belittling this cowardly behaviour?

thanks to god I know some Albanians who are NOT like you.

(Jovan, 7 October 2008 00:21)

Let me remind you Jovan that Serbs have done much more horrible things, and comparing them with this one, this is a -10 (minus ten)! Not even they have desecrated graves, but they have burned and 'buried' dead bodies in the TRUCKS heading to Serbia. We all are aware of the mass-graves found in Serbia with Albanian bodies, so stop playing the angel's role here ;).

I said pretty much all I wanted to say in my previous post, and Ataman filled the gaps for me, so before attacking me (i.e. Albanians) about this incident, try Googleing for "Mass graves in Serbia", and read the first result only, don't bother reading them all (cz there are many of them).

Thank God I know many Serbs who are, luckily, NOT like you either!

It was just a bunch of bored teenagers looking for a bit of harmless fun. Isn't that right, my Albanian friends?

I can't wait to read your response to this.

Hruz

Unfortunately we have very similar problems here in Poland regarding such theft on account of Roma poverty. Sometimes copper cables are stolen leaving villages without power/heating.

I doubt that the Albanians would have stolen valuable parts of the tombstones, perhaps some angry teenagers might have smashed a tombstone, but this was not the case this time.

Dear Jan Andersen,

Remember the movie: Matrix, take the blue or the red pill.

You can put your head in the sand and ignore the problem, but it will still exist. I am more competent than you would believe in this issue, far from ignorant.

Metal theft is a predominantly gypsy activity in Hungary, and I believe ex Yugoslavia is no exception.

By the way, scrap metal dealers are also predominantly gypsies where I came from.

Like it or not, facts are facts, you can twist it to be "trendy" and be politically correct, but that will not help neither gypsies nor the majority population.

By the way, just this morning we had another deadly train crash, near a gypsy settlement, 4 died. The light was faulty, due to the stolen metal sensors, and a fast train crased into another train that stopped at the false signal.

http://www.origo.hu/itthon/20081006-ket-vonat-utkozott-ossze-monorierdonel.html

Yes, it was just a bunch of bored teenagers looking for a bit of harmless fun.
(qemal, 6 October 2008 20:56)

Qemal, your definition of fun is disturbing. That kind of rhetoric, on ALL SIDES, is what is wrong with the balkans.

marko,

I was being sarcastic towards Peggy and her comment of generalizing all Albanians collectively.

That's why I copied her every word, word for word.

I know who did this this very low act did George bush,Fatmir sejdiu and Hashim thaqi I saw 3 of them talking about it night before.Weak up people don't try every single case to politicized many times even Albanian graves has been demolished nobody blamed Serbs,that's act of young thugs who think that's funn

"undertake all measures to find the perpetrators and bring them to justice"

yeah right, we all know that will NOT happen.

Surely this cannot be the same democratic, stability enhancing Kosovo that we always hear about?!

thank you so much Agim!

with that comment, this ugly and shameful act being just a " simple theft" you have said enough.

that serves the serbian cause for reintegration of the serbian southern-province quite well.

Unfortunately the Albanian "gang" never misses the opportunity to miss the opportunity to reconcile. How sad. Few better words cost nothing, but the prize not saying them is big.

Hello,

Shameful act! Destroying someones grave and defacing it this way is very disgracefull. No matter whether you take the letters off of the headstone or completely flip the headstones this is completely unacceptable. However, we should know better Albanians in Kosovo have acted this way for many years this isn't the first. Its to bad CNN doesn't put this on their headlines. time. So the world can see what kind of people they are.

No you guys have i wrong.

Surely this is the work of Serbian MUP or Kostunica?

Sometimes things are grey and other times they are simple- black and white. Either you condemn this sort of behaviour or you try to add nonsensical context and justifications. There is no credibility in justifying these actions; there is not even self-interest. It is not in the interest of anyone's goal or reputation to do such things, and I wonder why some posters unabashedly defend, and therefore personally associate themselves with such perverted activities.

Sometimes things are grey and other times they are simple- black and white. Either you condemn this sort of behaviour or you try to add nonsensical context and justifications.
(Marko, 6 October 2008 18:19)

Precisely. IMO, the proper answer to this is:

"Who did it was an idiot, regardless of his ethnic background hope, he will get a good lession".

Switching back and forth between alleged "Albanian" and "Gypsy" criminals does not make sense. Who did it was a first-class idiot, probably drunk or whatever. The gravity of the case is not particularly big, but nasty enough to make more quarrel.

BTW: it's way to early quessing, why was the tragedy today. The "black box" of the train wasn't even decyphered, but already hints that Gypsies are to balme? MÁV is a company under permanent crisis, worker's morale is pretty low, I am glad it still does function to an acceptable degree - until today without major incidents. :(

Let's hope, that the severly injured British tourist will live and the number of dead won't increase further.

how disgusting and hideous!
And the Albanian readers here try to present it as perfectly normal!
Well obviously, what's considered to be normal for you is criminal for the rest of the world.
Having said that still, I find these reactions and 'explanations' here scary.
What kind of people are you?

wonder what will ZK UK say about this. Whatever he says would not surprise me at all!
(AO KS, 6 October 2008 15:10)
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I don't have to say anything. By not condemning this crime and coming up with some kind of justification, the Albanians are saying it all. Of course, if it was a Serbian doing it, it would be headline news on CNN.

"I feel bad about this, but this is something that can happen all over the world, and the CNN doesn't have to cover them all.

it could happen all over the world, yes...but actually it happens, where the Albanians are in a majority.

only coincidental, of course....


what makes me wonder: our K-albanians here are constantly writing about their sense of honor and pride and so on...

but what kind of honor or pride is it that makes someone do that to buried bodies... and what kind of honor or pride is it, that makes others belittling this cowardly behaviour?

thanks to god I know some Albanians who are NOT like you.


Greets from Prishtina!
(AO KS, 6 October 2008 15:10)"

Jovan,

I have to defend AO KS to some degree.

1) AO KS sends everyone greetings from Pristina. This is much better than the constant provocation we see from others. I send him greetings from Budapest right now, thanks AO for your greetings :)

2) AO feels bad about this incident and he is right, idiots who do that are not uncommon. I agree with him, this is not a case what should be on the front cover of a newspaper and we all have to exercise the "innocent until proven guilty" method. As long as we do not know who was guilty - and perhaps we will never know - all we can say, is not that he was "Albanian", "Gypsy" or "Turk" - but merely a "petty criminal + major idiot".

In my opinion, AO said (pretty close) everything, what is proper and he is one of Albanians here who DID NOT miss the opportunity I complained about earlier.

Thanks for that...

COMPLAIN TO Pieter Feith

hey agim if it was the roma that did this, how come its always the serbian graves that are being destroyed and never the albanian graves. give me a brake

Your comments are not worth a reply for the simple reason that I did not do such a thing and you are blaming us all.The best thing for you to do is be a bit more closer to the grave sides more often and not beeing (safe)within the ghetos from where you are pointig your finger to the Albanians.It is a bad show of disrespect for this ugly crime,but try and be a bit more serious and constructive.For whatever reason it was done,I do not associate myself with the culprits.Every normal human should speak out against this low act with fairnes.

so pleurat you don't want to be personally responsible for such shameful act!indeed,such act is only for public contempt.as well as it's church and monasteries destruction,private and public properties demolitions by armed gangs or insane individuals.we do agree so far,but then it comes tricky part,if you think that every crime is personal act of certain individual why then you and so many other albanians from kosovo province, always insist that serbs should collectively take blame for crimes some individuals commit?isn't a double standard to point finger in whole serbian nation for all the wrongs and then to insist on individual guilt done by albanians?

"undertake all measures to find the perpetrators and bring them to justice"

Hmmmm....just like the KPS has found the criminals who machine gunned the Serb CHILDREN swimming in the River Bistrica back in August of 2003. If the so called authorities won't arrest child murderers after more than five years what makes one think they will arrest common grave robbers ever.

well Ataman,
while this guy is sending you greetings from Priština, how about asking him whether he condemns the brutal beating of an 78-year old serb woman by some albanian teens? it happened in down-town Priština...

how about asking him that instead of "defending" him?

seriously, there was only ONE single Albananian who condemned that cowardly act and asked for the name of that woman to provide some help for her, I have forgotten his name, but it was ONLY ONE of all these innocent lambs here who are constantly whining and portraying themselves as victims who only strive for "freedom"...

and I have countless times asked them to condemn it - they remained silent.


better think twice, Ataman, before you start defending someone here.

AO is free to publicly condemn this cowardly act, I am quite curious what his reaction will be, if there is any at all.

"thanks for that..."


as for AO who is writing about massgraves and combining that with a smiley...what shows me that he´s not to be taken seriously...:

I don´t have to google, since I know very well what is truth and what is albanian propaganda.
my dear friend...

Hmmmm....just like the KPS has found the criminals who machine gunned the Serb CHILDREN swimming in the River Bistrica back in August of 2003. If the so called authorities won't arrest child murderers after more than five years what makes one think they will arrest common grave robbers ever.
(LMN II, USA, 8 October 2008 13:41)"

What about those who killed hundreds of children, elders and women during the Kosova war? Yesterday I read an article saying that the so-called (Serbian pride) gang "Scorpions" are responsible for the Podujeva massacre where 14 people were massacred and it all happened in less than 10 minutes. Do you know who said this? Commander of Serbias Anti-Terror Unit, Spasoje Vulevic.
http://news.uk.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=9985465

When will your Police arrest and bring to justice those murderers?

Greets from Prishtina!

"What about those who killed hundreds of children, elders and women during the Kosova war?"

First of all, you just made my case for your comment, it was WAR (not that it excuses those who commit crimes against innocent civilians). The Serb children that were machine gunned were killed or wounded years after the war ended, as the West was preparing to unleash the wonderful "multi-ethnic" entity of KosovO on the region and the world.

"When will your Police arrest and bring to justice those murderers?"

As far as the Scorpions are concerned, my country, the USA, isn't involved in bringing them to justice, BUT Belgrade has brought some of the to trial for their role in executing six Bosniaks in 1995 during the war in Bosnia... see this B92 summary of the incident and trial proceedings, as well as, incidents in Kosovo.

http://www.b92.net/eng/insight/reports.php?yyyy=2007&mm=01&nav_id=39011

Now, tell me when will the ethnic Albanian authorities in Pristina do the same, when will they put their Prime Minister on trial for trafficking the organs of Serb prisoners (they won't and that is why the Czech Prime Minister is asking the UN to do it's own investigation on the matter).

Jovan, stop it for God's sake. Whatever you say, it should be right, and whatever I say, it is an Albanian propaganda!

This is one case only: Hysni Bytici, Albanian human rights lawyer from Belgrade has been severely injured in an attack at his home in Belgrade (March 16 2000)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/mar/26/balkans


LMN II, USA, good news on this case, the perpetrator has been caught so prepare to read the news here in B92 after a while cz I already read the Kosova Police report.
Now it's time to seek responsibility from your Police Force to bring to justice all the Serb 'criminals'!

Greets from Prishtina!

'Do you know who said this? Commander of Serbias Anti-Terror Unit, Spasoje Vulevic.'

first of all, that's mr. vulevic to you albanians, and you know it :)

anyway vulevic was a member of pristina saj during the war. saj which is a regular mup unit saved the survivors in podujevo. saj medics saved five albanian children that day. paramilitaries who acted illegally are on trial in serbia. and, none of them cut out their victims organs to sell them and then became prime minister.
so as trolling goes, your post is substandard. or are you trying to prove that serbia has superb police and is country ruled by law? in which case, thanks.

as for the article about the desecration which turns the stomach of any decent human being regardless of nationality. except perhaps those who say they have no religion, no allegiance, no mother no father, so i guess they don’t care.

we serbs do have our religion, our past, our land, our mothers and fathers, and cemeteries are holy land to us since they hold the remains of our loved ones.
this incident with tombstones is just one of many in kosovo. in pristina and in kosovska mitrovica serb graves have been totally desecrated for years now, not to mention burned mediaeval churches and monasteries, and serbs can only visit the burial places of their loved ones under armed escort. the 40 serbs that remain in pristina that is. 0 serbs live in southern kosovska mitrovica. only broken headstones and torn crosses remain of the serbs there.
so be proud albanians, dont let civilized fussing about how disgusting it is to disturb someone's resting place upset you or distract you. just find a little time to also be very proud in your joy over this accomplishment. the future of such society must be very bright, there's no other way.

Now, tell me when will the ethnic Albanian authorities in Pristina do the same, when will they put their Prime Minister on trial for trafficking the organs of Serb prisoners (they won't and that is why the Czech Prime Minister is asking the UN to do it's own investigation on the matter).
(LMN II, 8 October 2008 15:43)

Evidence man! Give me a believable source (not a Serbian, or a pro-Serbian) so I can see when did my Prime Minister got involved in trafficking with organs of the Serb prisoners! (Not the Carla del Ponte book, cz it is not based on facts, and if those allegations were true, she would have mentioned them during the time when she was a Chief Prosecutor trying my ex-Prime Minister who came clear of all the charges).

Greets from Prishtina!

while I condemn every crime that happens in Serbia, Atamans albanian friend AO did not even write a single word of condemnation in regard to the old woman that was beaten up by albanian extremists.

I´d say that is showing who AO really is, right?

as a sidenote: you make a terrible mistake if you believe that Serbia will "stop for gods sake".

we have thrown out the ottomans after five centuries of brutal oppression, and NATO won´t stay that long, that´s something you can count on...

and WE won´t let you go with our territory, you will learn that, my friend. I think it´s only a question of time until you realize it..

“while I condemn every crime that happens in Serbia, Atamans albanian friend AO did not even write a single word of condemnation in regard to the old woman that was beaten up by albanian extremists.

I´d say that is showing who AO really is, right?

as a sidenote: you make a terrible mistake if you believe that Serbia will "stop for gods sake".

we have thrown out the ottomans after five centuries of brutal oppression, and NATO won´t stay that long, that´s something you can count on...

and WE won´t let you go with our territory, you will learn that, my friend. I think it´s only a question of time until you realize it..”

While I never threatened you and your country, I expect you do the same thing! I never asked from Serbia to stop “for the God’s sake”, I asked from you, because, as you (Serbians) always say (and it’s a fact), a person doesn’t represent the whole country/nation (except the Foreign Ministers, Presidents, Prime Ministers, even though sometimes they act against our wishes). I expect from you to be my best neighbor (after the ICJ ruling) and have the best relations one can ever have. I know this is not accepted by your side, but at the end, you will have to accept that, whether you like or not. If you refer to the notion that justice prevails all the time, well my neighbor, this is our TIME.

As for the beaten old-lady in Prishtina, I never knew about this case, but if you say so and if it makes you feel better, I condemn it. There, happy? It is not if I condemn it or we, the people, do it, it’s up to the institutions to bring the criminals to the justice. As long as I don’t support those criminals, I’m not a part of it. I said in some earlier posts that I have 4 Serbian friends in Prishtina, two guys and two girls, so don’t tie me up with them criminals! And please, try not offending me, as long as I don’t offend you!!!

Speaking of condemnation (since you mentioned it), I also mentioned a case of an Albanian man beaten in Belgrade. Is there a condemnation from your side?

To Smile who says, “the 40 serbs that remain in pristina that is. 0 serbs live in southern kosovska mitrovica.”

I never counted how many Serbs live in Prishtina or in Southern part of Mitrovica. But, even if that number is correct, don’t you think that Serbs as well are to blame (when I say “Serbs as well”, mark my words cz I blame Albanians too)? By not allowing Albanians to live peacefully in the Northern part of Mitrovica, why on earth do you think Serbs could live peacefully elsewhere? This really annoys me sometimes, since you tend to compare how many Serbs live here, how many Serbs live there. Have it ever crossed your mind to count how many Albanians live in Belgrade and compare that number with the Albanians living in Belgrade before 1999?

To all of you who say Kosova “is your Heartland” and blah, blah, blah, I have a (some) question(s): Have you ever, and if yes, how many times have you guys been to your “Heartland”? If someone responses YES, explain to me where have you been and what have you seen, by explaining it in details (don’t try to cheat me with the INTERNET web-site stories of Kosova).

Greets from Prishtina!

AO...

in regard to the beaten up man in Belgrade, you should read my comment a little bit more carefully. perhaps you will realize what I have written.

as for your condemnation: very good, you make a joke of it... that´s what I expected, if I am honest.

and in regard to your accusation that I am threatening... my friend, don´t you realize WHO is threatening all the time here?

it´s the K-albanians, threatening with "hell will brake loose" ( yes, he wrote brake, instead of break! )

well, either you are new to this, or you just deliberately ignore the basic facts of this little edutainment-forum...

it´s the Albanians who are constantly threatening and offending.

but what is much worse, they are not only threaening, ..they are even REALLY burning churches, monasteries, desacrating graves and graveyards, beating up old women...

the list could go on and on..

and you have the nerve to ask me not to offend you?

absurd...

and everything will be fine. you will see. except you are a criminal and end up behind bars, but I´d say if you are a n innocent and decent person, you don´t have to fear Serbia...

not at all.

it is your state, too. just yesterday, there was a report about Albanians coming to Niš in order to get serbian documents...

they do that because they have so much trust in this little stillborn creature you call "kosova" .. :)

justice will prevail,indeed, and "your time" will not last long, I am quite confident.

To Jovan,
I feel your frustration at trying to get through to the Albanian posters here.
I say to you, give up. They all KNOW the truth but will never accept it, much less admit it.
The truth doesn't serve their purpose so we cannot expect them to turn to it.

What I have seen here is that they all twist words and put words in everyone's mouth who doesn't agree with them. If you support the Serbian argument you are called pro-Serb (as is that was a bad thing anyway). They think that they can scare you into not supporting the Serbian side by calling you pro-Serb.

There is no shame in supporting the right side or being pro-Serb.

Most of the world has not and will not recognize thier fake state for precisely that reason. They all KNOW the truth too, despite the efforts of Albanian lobby groups to buy as much propaganda time as possible.

BTW, how is that Kosovo advertising going for them?