Tadić calls for reconciliation

The justificiation is more wish and expectation than a matter of fact. Considering the neighbouring countries Mr. Tadic is continuing the policy of Kostunica respectively Milosevic. Remember Kostunica, who was celebrated as the redeemer in Europe, instead he turned out to be the same nationalist like all these other aspirants. Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia etc. did never attac Serbia. indeed there were crimes on serbian cililiand as a REACTION on serb attacs. Reconciliation is possible when you accept your responsibility as agressors. Instead Serbs are doing everything to destabilize their neighbours and already making plans for "serbization" of Kosovo.
The real danger of this government is that some Europeans consider them real democrats.

I completely disagree with Mr. Tadic on the issue of apologies. His statement that puts the criminal and the victim on the same light is self-serving and insulting to the victims and their families, on whiever side they are. It is the criminal who should apologize to the victim, and hopefully the victimized side accepts the apology, especially if it sincere.
Most of us know the truth, but many choose to spin it for a purpose. Mr. Tadic knows better than that!

Regardless of whom was to blame for the wars whether you believe the Serb, Bosnian, Croat side of the story war it doesn't matter. Lets say for example the Serbs were the aggressors why does that justify the ethnic cleansing of Serbs at the end of the war from Krajina and not the Serb cleansing of Croats from Western Slavonia? both are equally dispicable acts. All sides need to accept the responsibility of their actions and apologize to each other.

Former Yugoslav countries have no reason to apologise to Serbia Mr Tadic, Bosnian army, Croatian Army nor Slovenian army ever crossing over to Serbia. perhaps Mr Tadic thinks he is president of some Greater Serbia.

This is just a political ploy so that he is seen as a peace maker. there cannot be full reconciliation until you and your country struggles to come to terms with the level of involvement in the war. Former Yugoslav countries know the truth as does rest of the world. Good on you for trying to score some political points at home though.

Kopelew, When did Serbia attack Slovenia, Bosnia, Croatia etc.?
If you are under the age of 20 I can understand your lack of knowledge of what happened but if you are older then you should know better.

Slovenia seceded without any incident apart from the one they tried to orcherstrate.
Slovenians attacked unarmed Yugoslav (not Serbian) soldiers which the soldiers then retreated and there was no war between the two. Please provide details of war if you have any.

In Croatia, it was the Croatian army who attacked Serbian civilians and who then fought the Croatians on their own. The Serbs living in Krajina fought against the Croatians. When did Serbia send her army to Croatia? Please provide us the details of that deployment if it happened.
The same in Bosnia. The first casualty was a Serbs. It was that Celo who fired on the Serbian wedding in Sarajevo killing the groom's father which started all the hostilities in Bosnia. Again, the Serbs living in Bosnia retaliated and formed their own army and fought against the Muslims NOT the Serbian army as you state.
If you have any proof of the opposite please do provide us with that. Serbia as a state then did NOT send in the army anywhere. The Serbs from those regions defended themselves.

Don't start throwing blind accusations but do provide us with details of how and when Serbian army was sent from Serbia to fight. Apart from some volunteers there was no army sent.

WOW kopelew I thought I heard it all but you just raised the bar...

Apparently the likes of you only see Serbs who denounce crimes did to them by others, who denounce Serbia's right to Kosovo and who denounce Serbia's right to defend all and what is hers as non-nationalists...

If that's the case I would rather be a nationalist than a "normal Serb" in your mind annnny day.

As for Tadic... God I don't see how anyone could like him, Serb and non-Serb alike.

there was a lot of pressure on serbs to recognise the responsibility of their country and it seems that they are accepting it. however, they cannot ignore that serbs were also victims and that their neighbours' leaders were not exactly democrats and pacifists. situation was not exactly black and white which is usual in situations like this. there is very little pressure on serbia's neighbours to own up, but serbs cannot ignore what has happened. reconciliation will be impossible under these circumstances. serbia's neighbours should understand this because reconciliation is in their interest as well.

people of former yugoslavia should be looking to each other more than to the eu and usa (or russia).

Peggy,

Slovenia, had the right to secede as it was stated on the constitution, they broke away because, like all other Yugoslav constituents, Milosevic was in power and sensed that (they were absolutely right) Serbia was growing in nationalism, in fact chauvism. This of course went against what Yugoslavia stood for; equality for all.

Milosevic, however, believed that all these lands belonged to Serbia and slaughtered all who abstracted the notion of Greater Serbia.

Slovenia, Croatia, and all other Yugoslav constituents had the right to secede from Yugoslavia in the 1974 Tito constitution, but Milosevic decided to undermine this without anyones consent, because he was afraid that at a later date someone could declare independence on a legal basis, like kosova for instance, without having the need to declare it 'ilegally' later, but it was Milosevic who undemocratically and illegally changed the constitution initially, so in fact Milosevic and Serbia are the ones who are going against 'international Law' and creating 'precedents' which you could understand created controversy.

Mirsad, did you even read my post?

I was saying that Serbian army did not attack anyone. You have totally changed what I was talking about. Nowhere did I indicated whether I thought any of those republics had the right to secede or not so why are you replying to me about something I did not even mention?

Next time, take the time to read someones post properly before replying. It is quite annoying when someone changes the whole concept of what you said.

Let's try again. Serbian army did not wage war. It was the Serbs in respective republics who fought against the Croats and Muslims. As far as Slovenia is concerned nobody fought anybody. There was a bit of chest thumping by the Slovenians in front of the Yugoslav army who had rubber bullets instead of live ammunition and retreated.
Where was this battle that some keep mentioning? I must've slept through the whole thing.

“If any country recognizes Kosovo and, thus, contributes to the division of my country and insults the dignity of my people and calls into question my nation’s identity, as the key institutions of my nation are predominantly the cultural and historical monuments in Kosovo, I will fight for reconciliation,“

Sorry to say but this kind of statemnts only 3 days after PORPOSING separation of SAME land of "your" national identity is bit TOO MUCH OF HYPOCRISY.

Bit of good taste in Begrade would not harm.

Serbia of course must share the larger share of the blame. Serbia was the superior power in every aspect when the war broke, thus it bear a greater responsibility in the Balkan affairs.
Serbia enjoyed every institutional power of the ex-Yugoslavia, instead acted like a rouge state, with its famous terrorist paramilitary groups, Serbia had a regular army, the others didn't, a central functional gov. the others didn't, Serbia inherited every means to peacefully maneuver the situation but it didn't.

And yes it was the Yugoslav (Serbian) army who fought in Vukovar and Dubrovnik. And in many cases it used the Serbs living in Bosnia and Croatia to do their dirty job.

There is no way Serbia can compare itself to Slovenia, or Albanians who tried peacefully for 10 years, and who never had a regular and modern army.

Serbia must ask itself. Would Kosovo ever had this chance to break away like this from Serbia, if Serbia would have been more moderate in the way it handled the conflict in this province?

The justificiation is more wish and expectation than a matter of fact. Considering the neighbouring countries Mr. Tadic is continuing the policy of Kostunica respectively Milosevic. Remember Kostunica, who was celebrated as the redeemer in Europe, instead he turned out to be the same nationalist like all these other aspirants. Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia etc. did never attac Serbia. indeed there were crimes on serbian cililiand as a REACTION on serb attacs. Reconciliation is possible when you accept your responsibility as agressors. Instead Serbs are doing everything to destabilize their neighbours and already making plans for "serbization" of Kosovo.
The real danger of this government is that some Europeans consider them real democrats.

Former Yugoslav countries have no reason to apologise to Serbia Mr Tadic, Bosnian army, Croatian Army nor Slovenian army ever crossing over to Serbia. perhaps Mr Tadic thinks he is president of some Greater Serbia.

This is just a political ploy so that he is seen as a peace maker. there cannot be full reconciliation until you and your country struggles to come to terms with the level of involvement in the war. Former Yugoslav countries know the truth as does rest of the world. Good on you for trying to score some political points at home though.

I completely disagree with Mr. Tadic on the issue of apologies. His statement that puts the criminal and the victim on the same light is self-serving and insulting to the victims and their families, on whiever side they are. It is the criminal who should apologize to the victim, and hopefully the victimized side accepts the apology, especially if it sincere.
Most of us know the truth, but many choose to spin it for a purpose. Mr. Tadic knows better than that!

Kopelew, When did Serbia attack Slovenia, Bosnia, Croatia etc.?
If you are under the age of 20 I can understand your lack of knowledge of what happened but if you are older then you should know better.

Slovenia seceded without any incident apart from the one they tried to orcherstrate.
Slovenians attacked unarmed Yugoslav (not Serbian) soldiers which the soldiers then retreated and there was no war between the two. Please provide details of war if you have any.

In Croatia, it was the Croatian army who attacked Serbian civilians and who then fought the Croatians on their own. The Serbs living in Krajina fought against the Croatians. When did Serbia send her army to Croatia? Please provide us the details of that deployment if it happened.
The same in Bosnia. The first casualty was a Serbs. It was that Celo who fired on the Serbian wedding in Sarajevo killing the groom's father which started all the hostilities in Bosnia. Again, the Serbs living in Bosnia retaliated and formed their own army and fought against the Muslims NOT the Serbian army as you state.
If you have any proof of the opposite please do provide us with that. Serbia as a state then did NOT send in the army anywhere. The Serbs from those regions defended themselves.

Don't start throwing blind accusations but do provide us with details of how and when Serbian army was sent from Serbia to fight. Apart from some volunteers there was no army sent.

WOW kopelew I thought I heard it all but you just raised the bar...

Apparently the likes of you only see Serbs who denounce crimes did to them by others, who denounce Serbia's right to Kosovo and who denounce Serbia's right to defend all and what is hers as non-nationalists...

If that's the case I would rather be a nationalist than a "normal Serb" in your mind annnny day.

As for Tadic... God I don't see how anyone could like him, Serb and non-Serb alike.

Regardless of whom was to blame for the wars whether you believe the Serb, Bosnian, Croat side of the story war it doesn't matter. Lets say for example the Serbs were the aggressors why does that justify the ethnic cleansing of Serbs at the end of the war from Krajina and not the Serb cleansing of Croats from Western Slavonia? both are equally dispicable acts. All sides need to accept the responsibility of their actions and apologize to each other.

there was a lot of pressure on serbs to recognise the responsibility of their country and it seems that they are accepting it. however, they cannot ignore that serbs were also victims and that their neighbours' leaders were not exactly democrats and pacifists. situation was not exactly black and white which is usual in situations like this. there is very little pressure on serbia's neighbours to own up, but serbs cannot ignore what has happened. reconciliation will be impossible under these circumstances. serbia's neighbours should understand this because reconciliation is in their interest as well.

people of former yugoslavia should be looking to each other more than to the eu and usa (or russia).

Peggy,

Slovenia, had the right to secede as it was stated on the constitution, they broke away because, like all other Yugoslav constituents, Milosevic was in power and sensed that (they were absolutely right) Serbia was growing in nationalism, in fact chauvism. This of course went against what Yugoslavia stood for; equality for all.

Milosevic, however, believed that all these lands belonged to Serbia and slaughtered all who abstracted the notion of Greater Serbia.

Slovenia, Croatia, and all other Yugoslav constituents had the right to secede from Yugoslavia in the 1974 Tito constitution, but Milosevic decided to undermine this without anyones consent, because he was afraid that at a later date someone could declare independence on a legal basis, like kosova for instance, without having the need to declare it 'ilegally' later, but it was Milosevic who undemocratically and illegally changed the constitution initially, so in fact Milosevic and Serbia are the ones who are going against 'international Law' and creating 'precedents' which you could understand created controversy.

Mirsad, did you even read my post?

I was saying that Serbian army did not attack anyone. You have totally changed what I was talking about. Nowhere did I indicated whether I thought any of those republics had the right to secede or not so why are you replying to me about something I did not even mention?

Next time, take the time to read someones post properly before replying. It is quite annoying when someone changes the whole concept of what you said.

Let's try again. Serbian army did not wage war. It was the Serbs in respective republics who fought against the Croats and Muslims. As far as Slovenia is concerned nobody fought anybody. There was a bit of chest thumping by the Slovenians in front of the Yugoslav army who had rubber bullets instead of live ammunition and retreated.
Where was this battle that some keep mentioning? I must've slept through the whole thing.

“If any country recognizes Kosovo and, thus, contributes to the division of my country and insults the dignity of my people and calls into question my nation’s identity, as the key institutions of my nation are predominantly the cultural and historical monuments in Kosovo, I will fight for reconciliation,“

Sorry to say but this kind of statemnts only 3 days after PORPOSING separation of SAME land of "your" national identity is bit TOO MUCH OF HYPOCRISY.

Bit of good taste in Begrade would not harm.

Serbia of course must share the larger share of the blame. Serbia was the superior power in every aspect when the war broke, thus it bear a greater responsibility in the Balkan affairs.
Serbia enjoyed every institutional power of the ex-Yugoslavia, instead acted like a rouge state, with its famous terrorist paramilitary groups, Serbia had a regular army, the others didn't, a central functional gov. the others didn't, Serbia inherited every means to peacefully maneuver the situation but it didn't.

And yes it was the Yugoslav (Serbian) army who fought in Vukovar and Dubrovnik. And in many cases it used the Serbs living in Bosnia and Croatia to do their dirty job.

There is no way Serbia can compare itself to Slovenia, or Albanians who tried peacefully for 10 years, and who never had a regular and modern army.

Serbia must ask itself. Would Kosovo ever had this chance to break away like this from Serbia, if Serbia would have been more moderate in the way it handled the conflict in this province?