Sejdiu: Partition leads to instability

Sejdiu look in the mirror. You already have defacto partition. Its just a matter of time before defacto becomes dejure. You think you can claim all of Kosovo territory Abanian- never - its not gonna happen ever.

"I guess what president Sejdiu is trying to tell everyone, especially Serbia is that you really dont want to play that card, as it would open the door for more break up of serbia;

- Vojvodina
-Presevo
-Bujanovac
-Medvedge
Need I continue further?


peace to you all
(Agim, 3 October 2008 13:58) "

Well, before we take up on your offer to continue further, allow me to point out a few not so minor inaccuracies in your post:

1. Vojvodina's population is two thirds Serb. The Serbs are going to secede from Serbia?????

2. Medveda also has a Serb majority now.

3. The total number of ethnic Albanians in Serbia (outside of Kosovo) is a mere 60,000. Numerically that's far too small to wreak any protracted violence on the millions of Serbs. Sure, they can threaten violence, but who are they bluffing? They will only end up making an ass of themselves in the process if they tried.

“Such a move would be detrimental to the Serb community in Kosovo, and would open the possibility to other countries in the region to try and solve certain similar problems in the same manner, which would undoubtedly trigger widespread instability,” concluded the president. "

But other countires already used Kosovo itself as a precedent! Just look at Ossetia and Abkhazia.

I guess what president Sejdiu is trying to tell everyone, especially Serbia is that you really dont want to play that card, as it would open the door for more break up of serbia;

- Vojvodina
-Presevo
-Bujanovac
-Medvedge
Need I continue further?


peace to you all

Sejdiu's absolutely right: partition does lead to instability. And that is why Serbia has been leading the charge against partition of its country since last year. Lord knows it's been nothing but unstable since. I'm glad Mr. Sejdiu is finally coming around to realize this.

he said that partition of the province could open up the same debate in Macedonia, Montenegro and in all countries with similar problems,

But partitioning Serbia is ok?
In other words, if you partition Kosovo we will start trouble again. And even demand more land and destabilize entire region.

“Kosovo is a sovereign and independent state recognized by 50 countries around the world.”

Wrong! Kosovo is UN protectorate and according to resolution #1244 it’s territory of UN recognized state of Serbia. And it’s 47 countries not 50. (wishful thanking) He just doesn’t know how to spick the truth.
Nothing new, empty and baseless statement from fake president of fake state.

Yes, looks like the Greeks in Northern Epiros (or Southern Albania) should also split http://www.unpo.org/content/view/7874/109

Also, making the rest of Albania a Serbian province will unite those Albanians in Kosovo with their family in Albania and should improve the quality of life for all.

Also as a side effect, I'll also get my Serbian beach house on the Adriatic and Mediterranean.

So it's not partition we should be considering but uniting the central Serbian province of Kosovo with the Southern Serbian province of Albania.

what president Sejdiu is trying to tell everyone
(Agim, 3 October 2008 13:58)

With all respect to Sejdiu - there is some misunderstanding here. President of Kosovo is in Berlin right now and was speaking with Ms. Merkel while receiving the Quadriga award.

Here is the proof:

http://tinyurl.com/4pjuet

Hello,

How comical is this guy. I'm listening to Sedjiu, Ceku, Haradgina and THACI. They should thank their lucky stars that the Americans have decided to "USE" them. These guys have been charged with rape, drug dealing and organ selling they would only be so lucky to have KOSOVO partitioned. enjoy what little SUPERVISED INDEPENDANCE you have.

I guess what president Sejdiu is trying to tell everyone, especially Serbia is that you really dont want to play that card, as it would open the door for more break up of serbia;

- Vojvodina
-Presevo
-Bujanovac
-Medvedge
Need I continue further?


peace to you all
(Agim, 3 October 2008 13:58)

Agim, I'm convinced you have got more time on your hands than you should. Now lets just clear up 1 thing. For the 11,000,000th time, Vojvodina is going nowhere. It has a Serb majority of 60-65% so why would Serbs want to break away from Serbia itself. It doesnt make any sense now does it.

Presevo, Sandjak or any other regions are going nowhere either. With the exception of the Albanian minority in the province of Kosmet, the other ethnic groups in Serbia are quite happy and content to live in Serbia.

Now contrast that with the situation in 'Kosova' and you get the point. Honest to God Agim, I think your only mission here is to provoke. Why am I even wasting 2 minutes of my precious time on earth typing this to you.

AGIM,

you forgot Krajina, Republika Srpska and Chicago on your list

"If there was no USA wouldn't be kosovo too."

If there was no Russia, Serbia wouldn't exist either.

«goal is to promote the rule of law and protect the rights of the province's citizens. » Some-how i wiil agree with this general: he is protecting the citizens of a province... so this president is of a province.Why all the countries that recognised this province put any kind of obstacles that the serbs never could rich the ICJ opinion on this ilegal act? If there was no USA wouldn't be kosovo too.

guess what president Sejdiu is trying to tell everyone, especially Serbia is that you really dont want to play that card, as it would open the door for more break up of serbia;

- Vojvodina
-Presevo
-Bujanovac
-Medvedge
Need I continue further?


peace to you all
(Agim, 3 October 2008 13:58)

Yes you should continue:

Novi Pazar,
Bor,
Pirot,
Ribarice...

To all Albanians lets think a minute before you talk about dividing up Serbia.Vojvodina main group is Serbian. As the local goverment in that area has already stated they do not want independence.

Lets turn our attensions to Albania which is also ethnically diverse. Already a local mayor who is not ethnically Albanian has cross swords with the Albaians. Any more division in the Balkans could lead in time to the break up of Albania. Dont forget the Serbs in Bosnia which the state of Bosnia is already crumbling.

Seperatist movements need to squashed, its spreading already the US is horrified that Scotland wants independence as this will break the power of its biggest true partner the UK.

Well US you reap what you sow, the speratist train has left the station.

I hope the Serbian goverment suceeds with the ICJ and halts recognitions to an independent Kosovo, this independence could prove dangerous for Europe and should be stopped at any cost.
In the long run this will not bring stabilit but conflict

"...he said that partition of the province could open up the same debate in Macedonia, Montenegro and in all countries with similar problems, which could be fatal for security in the whole region..." (Sejdiju)

Why wouldnt Vojvodina break up, its more developed and economically independent then any Serbian region.

Look at Montenegro, they didnt wanted to be with Serbia and be laughed by the rest of the world. Today they are doing better then ever befor, and what is Serbian doing to boost up their economy, yes fighting a lost war!?

If there was no Russia, Serbia wouldn't exist either.
(miri, 3 October 2008 18:33)

Sorry, Miri - this is historically incorrect. Bulgaria received the lion share of Russian military help against the Porta, not Serbia. Why? Because Tsar was aiming at Constantinople and Jerusalem, not Belgrade or Kotor. Constantinople has a key strategic position on the Black Sea. But not long ago in Russia Tito was called "chain dog of Imperialism".

At the private level the situation was different. The intelligentsia collected money, volunteered, wrote poems and military marches (FYI: during every departure of the "ROSSIYA" train from Vladivostok to Moscow loudspeakers air a military march written in honor of a Belgradian girl) and the soldiers fell at Shipka. Shipka is in Bulgaria, of course, not Serbia.

All that what happened at Shipka did not prevent Bulgarian governments to side against Russians several times. It's not "betrayal", it's just a proof, there is no friendship at the state level, only dirty interests. Tsar went to Shipka mainly for interests of Russian Empire, not Bulgarians.

Apropos, friendship or dirty interests - Camp Bondsteel is a good example.

Our own "clans" (families, close friends) are our "countries" and "governments" we should only trust.

"Depends.... I guess around 95% of the people living in the northern parts of Italy are Italians. Yet, some of them actually wants to seceded from Italy, in particular from the poor regions in southern Italy, believing that it will bring greater economic prosperity to the north.

[link]
[link]

I guess the same rationale could be ascribed to Vojvodina?
--
(Jan Andersen, DK, 3 October 2008 20:05) "

I read your links ... the Italians in the north appeared to speak a different group of language (Padanian) there, maybe that's why they see themselves as separate from Rome. I don't see the Serbs in north Serbia feeling that way however about Belgrade.

One more thing, I am sure you will support any future move by GREENLAND to full independence from Denmark right, given your stance on B92? After the ESKIMOS majority in Greenland cannot possibly be more different from you guys in Copenhagen if they tried!

On 3 October 2008 16:23, Niall O'Doherty wrote:

"For the 11,000,000th time, Vojvodina is going nowhere. It has a Serb majority of 60-65% so why would Serbs want to break away from Serbia itself."

Depends.... I guess around 95% of the people living in the northern parts of Italy are Italians. Yet, some of them actually wants to seceded from Italy, in particular from the poor regions in southern Italy, believing that it will bring greater economic prosperity to the north.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Nord

I guess the same rationale could be ascribed to Vojvodina?
--

Explaining why the option of partition was unacceptable to him, Sejdiu said that “Kosovo is a sovereign and independent state recognized by 50 countries around the world.””A partition of Kosovo would not constitute a solution to the problem, and would only aggravate it,” he said

And Serbia is a sovereign state recognized by ALL of the world not just 50 countries, so what's you reason again?

If Serbia can be partitioned which is a REAL country, then Kosovo can as well, especially when the UN doesn't recognize it.

Mr. Sejdiu, you argument is so weak and you are clutching at straws now.
You are just lucky that the US has use for you and anything you say is being taken as a strong argument for your cause but that's about it.

I guess what president Sejdiu is trying to tell everyone, especially Serbia is that you really dont want to play that card, as it would open the door for more break up of serbia;

- Vojvodina
-Presevo
-Bujanovac
-Medvedge
Need I continue further?


peace to you all

Yes, looks like the Greeks in Northern Epiros (or Southern Albania) should also split http://www.unpo.org/content/view/7874/109

Also, making the rest of Albania a Serbian province will unite those Albanians in Kosovo with their family in Albania and should improve the quality of life for all.

Also as a side effect, I'll also get my Serbian beach house on the Adriatic and Mediterranean.

So it's not partition we should be considering but uniting the central Serbian province of Kosovo with the Southern Serbian province of Albania.

"If there was no USA wouldn't be kosovo too."

If there was no Russia, Serbia wouldn't exist either.

Why wouldnt Vojvodina break up, its more developed and economically independent then any Serbian region.

Look at Montenegro, they didnt wanted to be with Serbia and be laughed by the rest of the world. Today they are doing better then ever befor, and what is Serbian doing to boost up their economy, yes fighting a lost war!?

On 3 October 2008 16:23, Niall O'Doherty wrote:

"For the 11,000,000th time, Vojvodina is going nowhere. It has a Serb majority of 60-65% so why would Serbs want to break away from Serbia itself."

Depends.... I guess around 95% of the people living in the northern parts of Italy are Italians. Yet, some of them actually wants to seceded from Italy, in particular from the poor regions in southern Italy, believing that it will bring greater economic prosperity to the north.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Nord

I guess the same rationale could be ascribed to Vojvodina?
--

"I guess what president Sejdiu is trying to tell everyone, especially Serbia is that you really dont want to play that card, as it would open the door for more break up of serbia;

- Vojvodina
-Presevo
-Bujanovac
-Medvedge
Need I continue further?


peace to you all
(Agim, 3 October 2008 13:58) "

Well, before we take up on your offer to continue further, allow me to point out a few not so minor inaccuracies in your post:

1. Vojvodina's population is two thirds Serb. The Serbs are going to secede from Serbia?????

2. Medveda also has a Serb majority now.

3. The total number of ethnic Albanians in Serbia (outside of Kosovo) is a mere 60,000. Numerically that's far too small to wreak any protracted violence on the millions of Serbs. Sure, they can threaten violence, but who are they bluffing? They will only end up making an ass of themselves in the process if they tried.

what president Sejdiu is trying to tell everyone
(Agim, 3 October 2008 13:58)

With all respect to Sejdiu - there is some misunderstanding here. President of Kosovo is in Berlin right now and was speaking with Ms. Merkel while receiving the Quadriga award.

Here is the proof:

http://tinyurl.com/4pjuet

guess what president Sejdiu is trying to tell everyone, especially Serbia is that you really dont want to play that card, as it would open the door for more break up of serbia;

- Vojvodina
-Presevo
-Bujanovac
-Medvedge
Need I continue further?


peace to you all
(Agim, 3 October 2008 13:58)

Yes you should continue:

Novi Pazar,
Bor,
Pirot,
Ribarice...

he said that partition of the province could open up the same debate in Macedonia, Montenegro and in all countries with similar problems,

But partitioning Serbia is ok?
In other words, if you partition Kosovo we will start trouble again. And even demand more land and destabilize entire region.

“Kosovo is a sovereign and independent state recognized by 50 countries around the world.”

Wrong! Kosovo is UN protectorate and according to resolution #1244 it’s territory of UN recognized state of Serbia. And it’s 47 countries not 50. (wishful thanking) He just doesn’t know how to spick the truth.
Nothing new, empty and baseless statement from fake president of fake state.

Hello,

How comical is this guy. I'm listening to Sedjiu, Ceku, Haradgina and THACI. They should thank their lucky stars that the Americans have decided to "USE" them. These guys have been charged with rape, drug dealing and organ selling they would only be so lucky to have KOSOVO partitioned. enjoy what little SUPERVISED INDEPENDANCE you have.

“Such a move would be detrimental to the Serb community in Kosovo, and would open the possibility to other countries in the region to try and solve certain similar problems in the same manner, which would undoubtedly trigger widespread instability,” concluded the president. "

But other countires already used Kosovo itself as a precedent! Just look at Ossetia and Abkhazia.

Sejdiu look in the mirror. You already have defacto partition. Its just a matter of time before defacto becomes dejure. You think you can claim all of Kosovo territory Abanian- never - its not gonna happen ever.

«goal is to promote the rule of law and protect the rights of the province's citizens. » Some-how i wiil agree with this general: he is protecting the citizens of a province... so this president is of a province.Why all the countries that recognised this province put any kind of obstacles that the serbs never could rich the ICJ opinion on this ilegal act? If there was no USA wouldn't be kosovo too.

I guess what president Sejdiu is trying to tell everyone, especially Serbia is that you really dont want to play that card, as it would open the door for more break up of serbia;

- Vojvodina
-Presevo
-Bujanovac
-Medvedge
Need I continue further?


peace to you all
(Agim, 3 October 2008 13:58)

Agim, I'm convinced you have got more time on your hands than you should. Now lets just clear up 1 thing. For the 11,000,000th time, Vojvodina is going nowhere. It has a Serb majority of 60-65% so why would Serbs want to break away from Serbia itself. It doesnt make any sense now does it.

Presevo, Sandjak or any other regions are going nowhere either. With the exception of the Albanian minority in the province of Kosmet, the other ethnic groups in Serbia are quite happy and content to live in Serbia.

Now contrast that with the situation in 'Kosova' and you get the point. Honest to God Agim, I think your only mission here is to provoke. Why am I even wasting 2 minutes of my precious time on earth typing this to you.

"...he said that partition of the province could open up the same debate in Macedonia, Montenegro and in all countries with similar problems, which could be fatal for security in the whole region..." (Sejdiju)

Sejdiu's absolutely right: partition does lead to instability. And that is why Serbia has been leading the charge against partition of its country since last year. Lord knows it's been nothing but unstable since. I'm glad Mr. Sejdiu is finally coming around to realize this.

AGIM,

you forgot Krajina, Republika Srpska and Chicago on your list

If there was no Russia, Serbia wouldn't exist either.
(miri, 3 October 2008 18:33)

Sorry, Miri - this is historically incorrect. Bulgaria received the lion share of Russian military help against the Porta, not Serbia. Why? Because Tsar was aiming at Constantinople and Jerusalem, not Belgrade or Kotor. Constantinople has a key strategic position on the Black Sea. But not long ago in Russia Tito was called "chain dog of Imperialism".

At the private level the situation was different. The intelligentsia collected money, volunteered, wrote poems and military marches (FYI: during every departure of the "ROSSIYA" train from Vladivostok to Moscow loudspeakers air a military march written in honor of a Belgradian girl) and the soldiers fell at Shipka. Shipka is in Bulgaria, of course, not Serbia.

All that what happened at Shipka did not prevent Bulgarian governments to side against Russians several times. It's not "betrayal", it's just a proof, there is no friendship at the state level, only dirty interests. Tsar went to Shipka mainly for interests of Russian Empire, not Bulgarians.

Apropos, friendship or dirty interests - Camp Bondsteel is a good example.

Our own "clans" (families, close friends) are our "countries" and "governments" we should only trust.

"Depends.... I guess around 95% of the people living in the northern parts of Italy are Italians. Yet, some of them actually wants to seceded from Italy, in particular from the poor regions in southern Italy, believing that it will bring greater economic prosperity to the north.

[link]
[link]

I guess the same rationale could be ascribed to Vojvodina?
--
(Jan Andersen, DK, 3 October 2008 20:05) "

I read your links ... the Italians in the north appeared to speak a different group of language (Padanian) there, maybe that's why they see themselves as separate from Rome. I don't see the Serbs in north Serbia feeling that way however about Belgrade.

One more thing, I am sure you will support any future move by GREENLAND to full independence from Denmark right, given your stance on B92? After the ESKIMOS majority in Greenland cannot possibly be more different from you guys in Copenhagen if they tried!

Explaining why the option of partition was unacceptable to him, Sejdiu said that “Kosovo is a sovereign and independent state recognized by 50 countries around the world.””A partition of Kosovo would not constitute a solution to the problem, and would only aggravate it,” he said

And Serbia is a sovereign state recognized by ALL of the world not just 50 countries, so what's you reason again?

If Serbia can be partitioned which is a REAL country, then Kosovo can as well, especially when the UN doesn't recognize it.

Mr. Sejdiu, you argument is so weak and you are clutching at straws now.
You are just lucky that the US has use for you and anything you say is being taken as a strong argument for your cause but that's about it.

To all Albanians lets think a minute before you talk about dividing up Serbia.Vojvodina main group is Serbian. As the local goverment in that area has already stated they do not want independence.

Lets turn our attensions to Albania which is also ethnically diverse. Already a local mayor who is not ethnically Albanian has cross swords with the Albaians. Any more division in the Balkans could lead in time to the break up of Albania. Dont forget the Serbs in Bosnia which the state of Bosnia is already crumbling.

Seperatist movements need to squashed, its spreading already the US is horrified that Scotland wants independence as this will break the power of its biggest true partner the UK.

Well US you reap what you sow, the speratist train has left the station.

I hope the Serbian goverment suceeds with the ICJ and halts recognitions to an independent Kosovo, this independence could prove dangerous for Europe and should be stopped at any cost.
In the long run this will not bring stabilit but conflict