Macedonian PM, president clash over name dispute

The Macedonian president is saying similar things with Greece and the US lately.

He is accusing his prime minister to get serious, stop behaving towards Greece with blind nationalism and irreconcilability, and agree in a name that could help keeping the national idenity (there is nothing wrong with Northern Macedonia) as well as satisfying Greece, and allowing Macedonia to be a member of NATO and EU as well. In simple words, behave responsibly for once and stop playing the "nationalism" card to his own public, that trully damaging his country.

Unfortunately, the prime minister of Macedonia does not hear any words by anyone. Not even his own president. Just to enjoy some more short-term popularity in his own country, he will continue to act irresponsibly, with pure blind nationalism against his neighbours, damaging his country badly.

To "Aleksandar of Macedonia":

I wonder, do you really believe what you loudly say, or you just say it because you want to believe it??

You HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Macedonia, OR Alexander the Great! You are SLAVS, you speak BULGARIAN-SERB mix, you have been officially so until 1945.

Even your own EX-PRESIDENT KIRO GLIGOROV publically stated that YOU ARE SLAVS and you have NOTHING TO DO WITH ANCIENT GREEK MACEDONIA OR ALEXANDER THE GREAT!

Accept your true identity at last and stop trying to "create" a new idenity and culture for your people, that you have absolutely nothing to do with.

I don't understand why FYROM doesn't change the name and stop pretending to be Great Alexander relatives. There is no link between Western Bulgarians (a.k.a "Macedonian") with ancient Macedonians of Alexander the Great. It is the same as Serbs to say they are Illyrians.

Greece will say "enough" and then we will start asking from the fyromian Slavs, to not even include the geografical term "Macedonia" in their name.
I mean, patience has its peak and those 2 extremists are pushing us towards that. Those fyromian Slavs are very lucky that the Greek politicians are behaving really responsible (although personally I am of the belief that fyrom has nothing to do with Makedonia even in geografical terms).

Actually Macedonia was Greek according to empirical data and according to Oxford, Yale and Harvard scholars. That was why King Cassender of Macedon named Salonika "Thessaloniki" which means "victory of the thessalians" in Greek". The latest archaeological finds in Greek Macedonia also support the idea of the distinct Greek identity of the ancient Macedonians. Even Cleopatra of Egypt referred to herself as Greek and her ancestors were from Macedonia.

If you think your "facts" are indeed valid that Makedonia was not Greek then why not present them in an article and submit it to the Oxford Journal and see if it will be accepted? I look forward to reading it!

Veritas Omnia Vincit = Truth Conquers all

@6
You repeatedly failed to understand any of my answers to another post, you repeatedly failed to even realise that you are not the center of global knowledge and there are hundrends of historians, writers, scripts, findings, evidence, studies, everything done by non-Greeks and especially by British and american scientists who are well known to promote your side, that all - not just point to but - prove who is who and that your Slavic country has nothing to do with Makedonia.
You still fail to realise that whatever my personal belief is, it is because I have studied the issue from sources unbiased, something you will never do and obviously you dont intent on doing.

Where ever the wind blows that's where the so called "macedonians"go. Before Tito they were Bulgarians after WW2 they were Yugoslavs now they want to be Macedonians. It's like saying that the majority of Bosnians didn't originate from either Serbian or Croatian blood.Give us a break FYROM and stop pretending to be something when your not.

I have a name for them:
NTRCEPVM 1944

New Titostan Republic of the Communist Expansion Plan from Vardaska to Macedonia in 1944.

DHR6L

It's quite simple...The region has been refered to thru-out history as Southern Serbia, Old Serbia, Srpska Makedonia and Vardar Province. If they don't want to affiliate themselves with Serbs or Greeks, then why not re-name the country to Vardaria or Vardarska or even Yugoslavia for that matter?

@Alexandar of Macedon, dear friend, i am greek and i love serbia and therefor it's a pain for me this whole discussion. Nonetheless i want to point 2 things at you. First its not correct that greece refused to call its province makedonia, the province allways has been called like that, What was changed was the name of the ministerium to Prefecture Makedonia - Thraki (putting both regions together in on ministerium). Second point is that ofc makedonia was never in any greek state before, so was never Athens, Patras, Larissa, Heraklion Pelopponess, Attika, etc. U won't be able to find any greek city or region that was in a greek "State" before, the reason for that is that there were many greek city-states and not 1 state in modern terms. Ofc to the contrary all of them were part of the byzantine empire and ofc during its hellenistic period. Also u say greece make false claims after the breakaway of yougoslavia. Well please take notice that in any greek document from every past century makedonia is aknwlegded as of greek origin. Also if u read alexander's speaches he himself say's he is greek.
Anyway the point today is that the politicians should find a solution and to find one, both sides has to make compromises.

Nikola Gruevski (also known as Nikos Gruios) is from the northern province of Greece named Macedonia. Now he is prime minister of the only free Macedonia that remains (FYROM).

Macedonia should not compromise its national identity or pride. Just because Alexander The Great knew how to speak ancient Greek, does not label him Greek. Most of the world speaks English, yet vert few are actually English.

MACEDONIA IS MACEDONIAN (NOT GREEK)

KOSOVO IS SERBIAN (NOT ALBANIAN)

Nikitas, and many of your greek friends. You all fail to realize that no-one really cares about your personal opinion on the name issue. You all pride yourselves on your historical knowledge yet you fail to acknowledge facts that clearly show that MAKEDONIA WAS NEVER GREEK NOR WAS IT A PROVINCE OF GREECE UNTILL AFTER THE PARTITION IN 1913. Even after the partition greece refused to even use the name MAKEDONIA. It was only recently after the fall of Yugoslavia that greece began making these FALSE CLAIMS of Makedonia being greek.
Not having knowledge of something is called ignorance and is not the fault of the individual. However, refusing to learn and realize the truth is 100% the fault of an individual(as in your case).
One cannot change history to suit their argument.
Your false facts also don't prevent or scare anyone from writing comments with facts that clearly show your argument as completely FALSE.
In addition, many greeks already know but fail to admit that Vardaska Banovina was the name attached to MAKEDONIA by Yugoslavia because serbia did not want to acknowledge it(as does greece now). Serbia came around and recognized that MAKEDONIA is the CORRECT NAME.
The shame is that even though greece and many greeks know all the facts, they deny them.
REPUBLIC OF MAKEDONIA NOW AND FOREVER.

The fact of the matter is this; the Rupublic of Macedonia was established by the Communist Party of Yugoslavia, seperating the region from Serbia proper on behalf of a political minority (Bulgarian and Albanian communists) in the region, Serbs (the majority of the region's population) were forced to accept and were forcfully assimilated into this illegally created republic. The Republic of Macedonia was created by the CPY based on distorted claims by regional Communists, that the region in question is overwhelmingly populated by "Macedonians". This is equivelant to saying that California is overwhelmigly populated by Californians.

Another fact is that most Macedonians celebrate a family patron saint (specific only to Serbian religious practices), not a namesday as is celebrated by Greeks, Bulgarians, Russians, etc....So, what I would suggest to our brothers from the FYROM, is to pick a name that most accurately associates the region to their geo-historical past. I believe someone had mentioned "Yugoslavia".

@16,
You have failed to acknowledge anything that does not favor greece. Your challenge should be to come out of your greek vacuum of knowledge. Your claims of a wealth of knowledge of history is very laughable. You also claim to give facts.
What you have given each time are complete diluted facts which support your greek argument.
Have you even thought about the fact that your claims may be wrong? What you need to do is grab a book with TRUE FACTS in it. Oh, I forgot, you are unable to find one. I and many others believe that you are afraid of learning something which may not favor greece. You simply fear that YOU MAY READ THE TRUTH. And that TRUTH would not favor your argument. The fear of the truth SHOULD NOT PREVENT YOU FROM LEARNING(which is exactly what you are doing). Anyone can pick the information you have and select the quotes that favor one side or the other(which is why you only choose quotes which favor greece). You sir have SELECTIVE KNOWLEDGE.
It takes a truly knowledgable individual to look at ALL documents which support both sides and then decide what the truth is. Something which you have obviously failed to do. You have shown that you refuse to acknowledge anything that may not support you, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE THE TRUTH. Instead, you try to dilute true facts and put a greek twist on them.
That is exactly why greece says that REPUBLIC OF MAKEDONIA has territorial claims on AGEAN MAKEDONIA. They(greece) are afraid that the claims they make may NOT BE THE TRUTH and the world may not believe them.
As for nobody giving quotes to counter you, did you ever think that NO-ONE WANTS TO DEAL WITH YOU AND YOUR FALSE AND TWISTED CLAIMS?
Challenge yourself and your friends to learn the truth instead of claiming to know it and refusing to acknowledge that your facts may be WRONG.

All peace loving greeks, I agree with you all 100%, a solution must be found to make both sides happy. I just have one question. How can one negotiate with someone who denies your history and existence? Macedonia has changed the constitution and the flag to satisfy greece. That however, was not enough for greece. There has never even been a claim that there would an attempt to unify with the greek province. That was also included in the revised constitution. That again was not enough for the greeks. How can one find a solution with someone who wants to blatantly make you disappear of the face of the earth and denies your existence?
Greece makes the claim that they "allowed" the name MACEDONIA be used in a possible solution. It was never theirs to begin with but now they make that foolish claim.
The solution is in front of them(greece) but they refuse to accept it. REPUBLIC OF MAKEDONIA, and Makadonia Province are very different, but to greece one has claims over the other. Where is the claim in those names?
There is clearly a history that the greeks deny and want to blend into their own history in hopes to cover up the truth. The greeks are the ones complaining about something that has never been stated. No person can force a unification if the greek province does not want it. That is what the greeks fear although they have no reason to. MAKEDONIA has overcome many obstacles and will overcome this one as well. There are many nations in the world which have recognized the appropriate name REPUBLIC OF MAKEDONIA because they all know the truth of her history which has nothing to do with greek history. Greece is simply attempting to deny the existence of this country the same way they deny the existence of minorities in greece (100% pure ethnic greek). I try not to laugh at that. The greeks actually think the world believes that foolish claim. One should never fear history but that is exactly what greece is doing.
There is no sense in giving reference books to prove what I write since greeks will deny their existence based on what country they are published in and whether they favor greece or not.
Greece should realize that the world does not depend on them to interpret history and their denial of the truth is not believed by everyone.

All these pro-Greek comments are very amusing. No facts simply modified half-truths to suit the nationalistic needs of a country that is as fake as 'Yugoslavia'.

Do a little research, find out who Nikos Gruios is (Nikola Gruevski) and enlighnten yourself.

MACEDONIA IS MACEDONIAN
KOSOVO IS SERBIAN

For Gods sake,the Greeks acting like as if they are superior to all.Well,let me say few words to them,and in the meantime ask few questions.Alexander the Great was not Greek for the reason that he was Macedonian.Secondly,he was Mediterenean.According to the latest DNA,Greeks are NOT Mediterenian,but Afro-Asian.Dont you see the difference?Furthermore,Macedonia did not belong to Greece prior to 1913.Now than,if Macedonia belonged to Greece as the Greeks claim,why dont you go after Bulgaria and Albania that occupie parts of geographical Macedonia?The answer is as simple as IT IS NOT GREEK

It is quite obvious that Nikitas and his friends have not studied enough to know the truth about ALEKSANDAR AND MAKEDONIA. Since they want to be enlightened I would be glad to help.
I, too, have studied the subject and I have seen Aleksandar discribed as "CONQUEROR OF GREECE". And yes, he did speak greek but that hardly makes him greek. There are millions of people that speak a second or third language. I think even Nikitas is smart enough to realize that. I had a teacher(which I am still acquanted with) who is greek and spoke MACEDONIAN fluently. Should I claim that he is MACEDONIAN?
Are they aware that Aleksandar was not allowed to compete in the olympics because he WAS NOT GREEK. I am quite sure that these points were conveniently missed and they will be denied as facts. Deny all you want but they are all TRUE FACTS.
I have not limited my studies to greek twisted books influenced by greek politicians. I have been to Paris and Rome and have visited the LOUVRE. The documents which support my claims exist and clearly show the truth. MACEDONIA and greece are and were two different countries each having their own individual history. Greece only annexed their so-called Macedonia Province in 1913 after the Partition of MACEDONIA. I am sure that Nikitas with all his knowledge on the subject is well aware that France played a large part in the PARTITION OF MAKEDONIA IN 1913. You can claim all the knowledge you want but it is clearly FALSE GREEK PROPAGANDA which is an attempt to blend and dilute the history of MAKEDONIA and make it look like greece. You should try and learn the TRUTH in all your studies.

@14
I wont bother with you anymore other than let you know the following:
1. Recognising one country with whatever name for political reasons, doesnt mean that they also reconise the falsification of history that this whatever country has done.
2. The reasons why you changed your claims on Greece and removed our symbols from your flag, werent exactly because you showed good will. Read some more on that and you will see why you did it.
3. As for what the world knows and what not, I will tell you this: In every, EVERY, country that has recognised you with the false constitutional name of yours, what is taught in all, ALL, their universities is that Makedonia was and (historicaly still) is a vital part of Greece.
4. So many times I have presented to you personaly, so many resources from scientists coming from countries that have recognised your false name, and they all agree on the same thing. That Makedonia was and (historicaly still) is a vital part of Greece. Now if you still think that I discredit them all because that suits your way of thinking, then you really have a problem understanding english.
@15
Exactly because I know who he is, I believe he is doing a great job in our favor with his actions and I every day thank him.
Cries and shouts like yours, are of no real value.
Half truths is certainly a very bad thing. I am still waiting from all those that I have challenged so many times, including you and the one above you, to present me the "whole" truths, but noone ever dared to do so.
My challenge is always valid. I am waiting for any, but so far nothing, since there is nothing :)

@17

Look. I am not the one claiming another identity. I am not the one falsifying history. I am not the one that is trying to create a new nation out of nowhere.
You are all of the above, you are the one with the burdain of proof, you are the one that cannot provide it.

I once again am asking you.
Give me titles of books that you read and helped you form an opinion, and I promise you I will read them all and I will let you know about the outcome.
But here is the little thing you cannot obviously grasp.
Those titles shouldnt be written by fyromian Slavs, just to support their credibility, like I havent ever posted any quote from any Greek author, again for the credibility of my words.
Neither in this last post of your did you even tried to answer my questions, nor bring one book title that proves your point, instead you started hypothetical, dellusional superficial theories.
So, come on. Bring on the books you read and were persuaded that you are something you are not, and enlighten me.

I don't understand why FYROM doesn't change the name and stop pretending to be Great Alexander relatives. There is no link between Western Bulgarians (a.k.a "Macedonian") with ancient Macedonians of Alexander the Great. It is the same as Serbs to say they are Illyrians.

Nikola Gruevski (also known as Nikos Gruios) is from the northern province of Greece named Macedonia. Now he is prime minister of the only free Macedonia that remains (FYROM).

Macedonia should not compromise its national identity or pride. Just because Alexander The Great knew how to speak ancient Greek, does not label him Greek. Most of the world speaks English, yet vert few are actually English.

MACEDONIA IS MACEDONIAN (NOT GREEK)

KOSOVO IS SERBIAN (NOT ALBANIAN)

Nikitas, and many of your greek friends. You all fail to realize that no-one really cares about your personal opinion on the name issue. You all pride yourselves on your historical knowledge yet you fail to acknowledge facts that clearly show that MAKEDONIA WAS NEVER GREEK NOR WAS IT A PROVINCE OF GREECE UNTILL AFTER THE PARTITION IN 1913. Even after the partition greece refused to even use the name MAKEDONIA. It was only recently after the fall of Yugoslavia that greece began making these FALSE CLAIMS of Makedonia being greek.
Not having knowledge of something is called ignorance and is not the fault of the individual. However, refusing to learn and realize the truth is 100% the fault of an individual(as in your case).
One cannot change history to suit their argument.
Your false facts also don't prevent or scare anyone from writing comments with facts that clearly show your argument as completely FALSE.
In addition, many greeks already know but fail to admit that Vardaska Banovina was the name attached to MAKEDONIA by Yugoslavia because serbia did not want to acknowledge it(as does greece now). Serbia came around and recognized that MAKEDONIA is the CORRECT NAME.
The shame is that even though greece and many greeks know all the facts, they deny them.
REPUBLIC OF MAKEDONIA NOW AND FOREVER.

Greece will say "enough" and then we will start asking from the fyromian Slavs, to not even include the geografical term "Macedonia" in their name.
I mean, patience has its peak and those 2 extremists are pushing us towards that. Those fyromian Slavs are very lucky that the Greek politicians are behaving really responsible (although personally I am of the belief that fyrom has nothing to do with Makedonia even in geografical terms).

I have a name for them:
NTRCEPVM 1944

New Titostan Republic of the Communist Expansion Plan from Vardaska to Macedonia in 1944.

DHR6L

Actually Macedonia was Greek according to empirical data and according to Oxford, Yale and Harvard scholars. That was why King Cassender of Macedon named Salonika "Thessaloniki" which means "victory of the thessalians" in Greek". The latest archaeological finds in Greek Macedonia also support the idea of the distinct Greek identity of the ancient Macedonians. Even Cleopatra of Egypt referred to herself as Greek and her ancestors were from Macedonia.

If you think your "facts" are indeed valid that Makedonia was not Greek then why not present them in an article and submit it to the Oxford Journal and see if it will be accepted? I look forward to reading it!

Veritas Omnia Vincit = Truth Conquers all

To "Aleksandar of Macedonia":

I wonder, do you really believe what you loudly say, or you just say it because you want to believe it??

You HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Macedonia, OR Alexander the Great! You are SLAVS, you speak BULGARIAN-SERB mix, you have been officially so until 1945.

Even your own EX-PRESIDENT KIRO GLIGOROV publically stated that YOU ARE SLAVS and you have NOTHING TO DO WITH ANCIENT GREEK MACEDONIA OR ALEXANDER THE GREAT!

Accept your true identity at last and stop trying to "create" a new idenity and culture for your people, that you have absolutely nothing to do with.

It is quite obvious that Nikitas and his friends have not studied enough to know the truth about ALEKSANDAR AND MAKEDONIA. Since they want to be enlightened I would be glad to help.
I, too, have studied the subject and I have seen Aleksandar discribed as "CONQUEROR OF GREECE". And yes, he did speak greek but that hardly makes him greek. There are millions of people that speak a second or third language. I think even Nikitas is smart enough to realize that. I had a teacher(which I am still acquanted with) who is greek and spoke MACEDONIAN fluently. Should I claim that he is MACEDONIAN?
Are they aware that Aleksandar was not allowed to compete in the olympics because he WAS NOT GREEK. I am quite sure that these points were conveniently missed and they will be denied as facts. Deny all you want but they are all TRUE FACTS.
I have not limited my studies to greek twisted books influenced by greek politicians. I have been to Paris and Rome and have visited the LOUVRE. The documents which support my claims exist and clearly show the truth. MACEDONIA and greece are and were two different countries each having their own individual history. Greece only annexed their so-called Macedonia Province in 1913 after the Partition of MACEDONIA. I am sure that Nikitas with all his knowledge on the subject is well aware that France played a large part in the PARTITION OF MAKEDONIA IN 1913. You can claim all the knowledge you want but it is clearly FALSE GREEK PROPAGANDA which is an attempt to blend and dilute the history of MAKEDONIA and make it look like greece. You should try and learn the TRUTH in all your studies.

Where ever the wind blows that's where the so called "macedonians"go. Before Tito they were Bulgarians after WW2 they were Yugoslavs now they want to be Macedonians. It's like saying that the majority of Bosnians didn't originate from either Serbian or Croatian blood.Give us a break FYROM and stop pretending to be something when your not.

The Macedonian president is saying similar things with Greece and the US lately.

He is accusing his prime minister to get serious, stop behaving towards Greece with blind nationalism and irreconcilability, and agree in a name that could help keeping the national idenity (there is nothing wrong with Northern Macedonia) as well as satisfying Greece, and allowing Macedonia to be a member of NATO and EU as well. In simple words, behave responsibly for once and stop playing the "nationalism" card to his own public, that trully damaging his country.

Unfortunately, the prime minister of Macedonia does not hear any words by anyone. Not even his own president. Just to enjoy some more short-term popularity in his own country, he will continue to act irresponsibly, with pure blind nationalism against his neighbours, damaging his country badly.

It's quite simple...The region has been refered to thru-out history as Southern Serbia, Old Serbia, Srpska Makedonia and Vardar Province. If they don't want to affiliate themselves with Serbs or Greeks, then why not re-name the country to Vardaria or Vardarska or even Yugoslavia for that matter?

@6
You repeatedly failed to understand any of my answers to another post, you repeatedly failed to even realise that you are not the center of global knowledge and there are hundrends of historians, writers, scripts, findings, evidence, studies, everything done by non-Greeks and especially by British and american scientists who are well known to promote your side, that all - not just point to but - prove who is who and that your Slavic country has nothing to do with Makedonia.
You still fail to realise that whatever my personal belief is, it is because I have studied the issue from sources unbiased, something you will never do and obviously you dont intent on doing.

@Alexandar of Macedon, dear friend, i am greek and i love serbia and therefor it's a pain for me this whole discussion. Nonetheless i want to point 2 things at you. First its not correct that greece refused to call its province makedonia, the province allways has been called like that, What was changed was the name of the ministerium to Prefecture Makedonia - Thraki (putting both regions together in on ministerium). Second point is that ofc makedonia was never in any greek state before, so was never Athens, Patras, Larissa, Heraklion Pelopponess, Attika, etc. U won't be able to find any greek city or region that was in a greek "State" before, the reason for that is that there were many greek city-states and not 1 state in modern terms. Ofc to the contrary all of them were part of the byzantine empire and ofc during its hellenistic period. Also u say greece make false claims after the breakaway of yougoslavia. Well please take notice that in any greek document from every past century makedonia is aknwlegded as of greek origin. Also if u read alexander's speaches he himself say's he is greek.
Anyway the point today is that the politicians should find a solution and to find one, both sides has to make compromises.

The fact of the matter is this; the Rupublic of Macedonia was established by the Communist Party of Yugoslavia, seperating the region from Serbia proper on behalf of a political minority (Bulgarian and Albanian communists) in the region, Serbs (the majority of the region's population) were forced to accept and were forcfully assimilated into this illegally created republic. The Republic of Macedonia was created by the CPY based on distorted claims by regional Communists, that the region in question is overwhelmingly populated by "Macedonians". This is equivelant to saying that California is overwhelmigly populated by Californians.

Another fact is that most Macedonians celebrate a family patron saint (specific only to Serbian religious practices), not a namesday as is celebrated by Greeks, Bulgarians, Russians, etc....So, what I would suggest to our brothers from the FYROM, is to pick a name that most accurately associates the region to their geo-historical past. I believe someone had mentioned "Yugoslavia".

All peace loving greeks, I agree with you all 100%, a solution must be found to make both sides happy. I just have one question. How can one negotiate with someone who denies your history and existence? Macedonia has changed the constitution and the flag to satisfy greece. That however, was not enough for greece. There has never even been a claim that there would an attempt to unify with the greek province. That was also included in the revised constitution. That again was not enough for the greeks. How can one find a solution with someone who wants to blatantly make you disappear of the face of the earth and denies your existence?
Greece makes the claim that they "allowed" the name MACEDONIA be used in a possible solution. It was never theirs to begin with but now they make that foolish claim.
The solution is in front of them(greece) but they refuse to accept it. REPUBLIC OF MAKEDONIA, and Makadonia Province are very different, but to greece one has claims over the other. Where is the claim in those names?
There is clearly a history that the greeks deny and want to blend into their own history in hopes to cover up the truth. The greeks are the ones complaining about something that has never been stated. No person can force a unification if the greek province does not want it. That is what the greeks fear although they have no reason to. MAKEDONIA has overcome many obstacles and will overcome this one as well. There are many nations in the world which have recognized the appropriate name REPUBLIC OF MAKEDONIA because they all know the truth of her history which has nothing to do with greek history. Greece is simply attempting to deny the existence of this country the same way they deny the existence of minorities in greece (100% pure ethnic greek). I try not to laugh at that. The greeks actually think the world believes that foolish claim. One should never fear history but that is exactly what greece is doing.
There is no sense in giving reference books to prove what I write since greeks will deny their existence based on what country they are published in and whether they favor greece or not.
Greece should realize that the world does not depend on them to interpret history and their denial of the truth is not believed by everyone.

All these pro-Greek comments are very amusing. No facts simply modified half-truths to suit the nationalistic needs of a country that is as fake as 'Yugoslavia'.

Do a little research, find out who Nikos Gruios is (Nikola Gruevski) and enlighnten yourself.

MACEDONIA IS MACEDONIAN
KOSOVO IS SERBIAN

@14
I wont bother with you anymore other than let you know the following:
1. Recognising one country with whatever name for political reasons, doesnt mean that they also reconise the falsification of history that this whatever country has done.
2. The reasons why you changed your claims on Greece and removed our symbols from your flag, werent exactly because you showed good will. Read some more on that and you will see why you did it.
3. As for what the world knows and what not, I will tell you this: In every, EVERY, country that has recognised you with the false constitutional name of yours, what is taught in all, ALL, their universities is that Makedonia was and (historicaly still) is a vital part of Greece.
4. So many times I have presented to you personaly, so many resources from scientists coming from countries that have recognised your false name, and they all agree on the same thing. That Makedonia was and (historicaly still) is a vital part of Greece. Now if you still think that I discredit them all because that suits your way of thinking, then you really have a problem understanding english.
@15
Exactly because I know who he is, I believe he is doing a great job in our favor with his actions and I every day thank him.
Cries and shouts like yours, are of no real value.
Half truths is certainly a very bad thing. I am still waiting from all those that I have challenged so many times, including you and the one above you, to present me the "whole" truths, but noone ever dared to do so.
My challenge is always valid. I am waiting for any, but so far nothing, since there is nothing :)

@16,
You have failed to acknowledge anything that does not favor greece. Your challenge should be to come out of your greek vacuum of knowledge. Your claims of a wealth of knowledge of history is very laughable. You also claim to give facts.
What you have given each time are complete diluted facts which support your greek argument.
Have you even thought about the fact that your claims may be wrong? What you need to do is grab a book with TRUE FACTS in it. Oh, I forgot, you are unable to find one. I and many others believe that you are afraid of learning something which may not favor greece. You simply fear that YOU MAY READ THE TRUTH. And that TRUTH would not favor your argument. The fear of the truth SHOULD NOT PREVENT YOU FROM LEARNING(which is exactly what you are doing). Anyone can pick the information you have and select the quotes that favor one side or the other(which is why you only choose quotes which favor greece). You sir have SELECTIVE KNOWLEDGE.
It takes a truly knowledgable individual to look at ALL documents which support both sides and then decide what the truth is. Something which you have obviously failed to do. You have shown that you refuse to acknowledge anything that may not support you, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE THE TRUTH. Instead, you try to dilute true facts and put a greek twist on them.
That is exactly why greece says that REPUBLIC OF MAKEDONIA has territorial claims on AGEAN MAKEDONIA. They(greece) are afraid that the claims they make may NOT BE THE TRUTH and the world may not believe them.
As for nobody giving quotes to counter you, did you ever think that NO-ONE WANTS TO DEAL WITH YOU AND YOUR FALSE AND TWISTED CLAIMS?
Challenge yourself and your friends to learn the truth instead of claiming to know it and refusing to acknowledge that your facts may be WRONG.

@17

Look. I am not the one claiming another identity. I am not the one falsifying history. I am not the one that is trying to create a new nation out of nowhere.
You are all of the above, you are the one with the burdain of proof, you are the one that cannot provide it.

I once again am asking you.
Give me titles of books that you read and helped you form an opinion, and I promise you I will read them all and I will let you know about the outcome.
But here is the little thing you cannot obviously grasp.
Those titles shouldnt be written by fyromian Slavs, just to support their credibility, like I havent ever posted any quote from any Greek author, again for the credibility of my words.
Neither in this last post of your did you even tried to answer my questions, nor bring one book title that proves your point, instead you started hypothetical, dellusional superficial theories.
So, come on. Bring on the books you read and were persuaded that you are something you are not, and enlighten me.

For Gods sake,the Greeks acting like as if they are superior to all.Well,let me say few words to them,and in the meantime ask few questions.Alexander the Great was not Greek for the reason that he was Macedonian.Secondly,he was Mediterenean.According to the latest DNA,Greeks are NOT Mediterenian,but Afro-Asian.Dont you see the difference?Furthermore,Macedonia did not belong to Greece prior to 1913.Now than,if Macedonia belonged to Greece as the Greeks claim,why dont you go after Bulgaria and Albania that occupie parts of geographical Macedonia?The answer is as simple as IT IS NOT GREEK