Feith you're running an illegal gambling house. Here's a quote from Zannier on the ICJ ruling, "...This initiative will have a global impact, which should be assessed. There could be consequences for the dynamic of international recognition of Kosovo, and this could prolong the present transitional phase."
Feith has answered the question that Serbia wants to put to the ICJ.
He admits that he needs Belgrades permission to deploy Eulex in Kosovo. If Kosovo is a legally recognised state why does he need Belgrades permission? A tacit admission that Kosovo is Serbian land, and that he must abide by UNSCR 1244. i.e. get UNSC permission, which Eulex doesn't have. This is the reason why the Eulex deployment start date keeps getting pushed back all the time.
"Folks, nothing can stand against Serbian resolve, unity, and being on the right side of justice! "
Ummm...a lot of nations have "resolve and unity." Underestimating others is the biggest mistake people make.
Why this is irreversible:
1. Morally, Most EU members seeing the treatment and attitudes from 1878 till now agree that independence is the only way to secure peace for the Albanians. Just because Tadic was elected, the attitudes have not changed, in fact, no apology or compensation has been offered to the Albanians. We aren't that dumb.
2. If they back down, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Albania will be 'destabilized.' Maybe Greece, Bulgaria and Turkey will get involved. After what they have gone through, the Albanians will not accept anything less than independence. This will be even if EU /US change their mind, but they have had 9 years to think about it so that is unlikely. Plus, everyone wants stability and EU prosperity and self-determination is not bad.
"In a moment of historic import in the Capitol and on Wall Street, the House of Representatives voted on Monday to reject a $700 billion rescue of the financial industry. The vote came in stunning defiance of President Bush and Congressional leaders of both parties, who said the bailout was needed to prevent a widespread financial collapse."
taken from the New York Times site.
well, it just looks like the "one and only global superpower" is in some serious trouble.
I´d say, their appetite for military-adventures will be tamed in the future.
I´d just think of that before I start boasting around, my dear friends.
and that is happening in the same time while Serbia signed a business-deal with an italian "global-player"...
so, Russia is not even needed, Russia is a friend, not what the US are to you...
Ron what are you talking about? You can not divide a country along ethnic lines. Here in the UK we have a large Polish and Asian communities would it be ok for them to set up a new state. i think not.
In 1861 (USA) a bloody civil war was fought when the southern states wanted independence from the Union. The southern states were crushed so the US is not in favor of this either.
Maybe if ethnic peoples want there own state the should relocate back to there countries of origin.
If there are other areas in the world that want to go independent, why not. Let people walk free and if they can be viable as independent states, hats up to them. You can not force people against their will any more. Kosovo within Serbia was like a bad marriage, both parties are well off on their own. A serbia with kocovo within its borders, which means 20000000 Albanians in it. Come on people it will never work. Be realistic. Finally to cap it off, If there are other regions in the world like south osetia for example, let them go. Noting wrong with it. Let people walk free. You will see. Nothing is going to happen. Tomorrow wojvodina for example, if they want to walk away, let them go. Or Reshevo Valley in Serbia, If Albanians living there want to walk away and be better off on their own, let them go. god speed.
To all those albanians posting here and its western sympathizers.
Let's get this issue straight. Kosovo albanians have NEVER won independence coz it is the WEST who dictates and forced the issue by allowing it since we all know that kosovo is been under NATO / EU control since 1999.
And its the WEST who manipulated the negotiations by promising the albanians a state of their own and thus resulting the collapsed of the talks since Belgrade will not allow it.
And now the WESTERN excuses that since the talks failed the kosovo albanians won a right to declared independence and used the REJECTED Ahtisaari plan. and now the WEST is saying the kosovo was a so called unique / special case. What is this??
The point is the WEST had done a great "injustice" to the serbian nation and thus will create a "precedent" to other nations who has separatists problems.
I don't care right now if independence is reversible or not. That is a future question. What is interesting right now is if the unilateral independence declaration was legal or not. After we have an an answer to that question, then we can begin to discuss if it is reversible.
Zeka,
Look, if you know much about Yugoslavia, you should know know that Yugoslavia was a country of minorities. Kosovo was recognized its autonomy; Serbia did recognize this autonomy also, but eventually changed its policy and did away with this autonomy. Now, who is going to trust the again? May be some countries that are affraid of their minorities will continue to be against Kosovo's independence, but not an impartial judgment.
My country, the USA, made a serious mistake in regards to KosovO. We have turned international law on it's head, a total breach of trust in our international standing as far as Im concerned. My country has sided with WWII Nazi sympathizers (Albanian Skanderbeg and Bosniak Handzar SS divisions, not to mention the backing of wholescale ethnic cleansing in the Krajina area of Croatia), one's who murdered hundreds of thousands not like them in the region. I'm disgusted with the foreign policy situation of the West, how can any country's diplomats, that have recognized KosovO, keep a straight face when TELLING the world what is a unique case or precedent and what is not, it's all about interests, especially when it comes to Camp Bondsteel for the USA. There's a reason Georgia never recognized KosovO, they didn't want to end up like Serbia at some point in the future (which it's beginning to look like it will, Georgia will never regain any type of control over South Ossetia and Abhkzia again). I relish the day when the ICJ renders it's opinion in favor of Serbia, I will be able to tell all the uninformed people in my country that I was right, that the USA was wrong in regards to this situation and that KosovO is Serbia. When the western countries that continually supply this organized crime haven finally decide to pack up and leave, the whole world will see what the hole in the wall of Europe will be like and it won't be pretty.
"Kosovo's independence is an irreversible process", while the move is at the same time "not contributing to Serbia's European integrations aspirations".
Actually, Serbs should be grateful to Mr Faith for his candor in stating so blatantly the EU blackmail to Serbia.
In plain words: No recognition of 'Kosova', no EU.
Now,the Serbs shouldn't have much problem with this alternative, but what to do with our leaders,who, in an attack of their euro-delirium pledged us we can have that wonderful cake and eat it- at the same time?
Our friends Dutch are trying an improved Pavlov Dog technique on the Serbs-to train the dog whenever it gets kicked, to respond, by reflex. with a friendly wag of its tail.
Sometimes, indeed, it is difficult to take Serbia as a serious country.
Let's compare the levels of the state officials speaking about the ICJ proposal. On one side you have the president of Serbia, and on the other side you have Peter Feith, who is not president of any country, and has a much lower level function, and some ambassadors of the countries in Serbia, that have to speak about it, because it is their job. this says a lot about what kind of conflict is going on around the ICJ thing and how important it is to each of the parties. Tadic has been left to deal with ambassadors(in the UN, in Serbia), not with his peers.
isn´t it strange that, if the ICJ ruling has no effect at all, that THEN all those puppets are so nervous about it?
even if everything else failed, Serbia had the right to take over control. don´t fool yourself, you will realize some day that you can do nothing about it, it is Serbia, you are living in.
and these ineffective attempts of propaganda-spin are the best proof that time is working for Serbia.
Bilaly - Are you saying a minority with a grievance has the right to secede from the nation state. I can think of 100 more deserving minorities around the world who have been treated far worse. Your recipe is one for disaster.
Close to 2 million Albanians in Kosovo fought for and won independence.Only this fact is good enough for me.BUT that is not all.We also have some very powerful and democratic allies,among them the United States of Amerika.
"It is an advisory opinion with no binding effect. The practical implications are limited,"
Duh! Serbs themselves said that if it comes pro-Kosovo it will be ignored ('We'll never recognize...' said Tadic) so why should the rest care? 47 countries....47 of the most powerful countries. So powerful that Serbia is begging them to let Serbia in the club. See what Tadic about US and how Serbia wants to be its ally. If Serbs think that 10,000 Albanians died for no reason (just in 1999) and some 70,000 houses burned in vain, you are in for a awakening.
This is a very unwise move on the part of Serbia. The poll conducted on this B92 website indicates that the outcome of such a ruling on the legality of the declared independence of Kosova at the ICJ will be unfavorable to Serbia. Even worse, it is highly unlikely that the GA will vote in favor of sending Serbia's request to the ICJ. Again, the results of the B92 poll imply Serbia's case will never reach the ICJ.
This will result in Serbia ultimately having to recognize Kosova.
Yes it's true.Only 47 have recognized KosovA till now, the greatest states of the world.But don't forget it's only eight months.We will have many more recognitions.
Mind your own business serbia.Dont beg US like tadic is doing, quote:We can't achieve our goals without USA.
Mr. Feith, this is a newsflash for you: Kosovo is NOT independent! So you see, there is nothing to reverse :)).
Just because 47 countries, made up of modern day colonialists and lapdogs, recognized the fake, illegal, and immoral state of Kosovo, does not make it 'independent'. In fact, Kosovo is vere 'dependent' on foreign aid from the US to keep it living. When that aid runs out, as it will very soon because the US has to pay down their 12 Trillion dollar deficit, then we Serbs will be waiting to take back control of our borders. Your job, Mr. Feith, is only temporary, so enjoy your big paycheque while it lasts.
Cheers!!
Well I dont get one thing.. Why are the Serbian camp so happy that american economy is in a slump? Why do they say that Kosova is the US and EU satellite/fake state. What about Serbia and Russia.. What about Greece and Russia.. It is funny how the camel never sees its own hump but only the one on the others camel back...
Oh dear, here we go with this "irreversible" nonsense once again. The fact that the independence movement is dead with the occupying nations melting down and EU divided is a good sign where this is heading. People with this mentality need to stop living in the past and come to terms with reality. The world is overwhelmingly against independence and that is irreversible my friends!
The second reason, Feith continued, is because the initiative "could have a negative effect on efforts to stabilize the situation", and went on to explain that "there is great unease in Kosovo itself over this initiative, that is slowing down the process of consolidation of Kosovo's statehood".
This statement contradicts his previous one that Kosovo's UDI is irreversible.Right now Thaci &co are on their toes contemplating the unthinkable,an ICJ decision favourable to Serbia.Such a decision will not only be a moral victory for Serbia but it will also put an end to any future recognitions of the UDI.
Feith and the rest of the unelected EU bureaucrats have underestimated Serbia's resolve to pursue a decision by ICJ.Under the carrot of EU membership,they were convinced that Serbia will play along to their tune.
In conclusion,Kosovo will remain an EU protectorate until the time comes when the
Albanians realise that there is no substitute to a negotiated settlement.
"It is an advisory opinion with no binding effect. The practical implications are limited," the EU representative said. I'm sure Serbia has realised this inadequacy in the ICJ ruling. I would hope that
the next step will be to introduce the idea of some sort of punishment for those breaking the law eg sanctions, freezing assets, compensation for damages etc. It is imperative that as individuals and states we all obey the law, it is unacceptable that in the 21 century a countries fate is determined by the favours of other rich and powerful states. Come on Serbia it's your fate to push through the new world order !
Mr Feith who are you trying to convince? Lets look at the facts only 47 countries have recognised Kosovo as a new country. If we in the EU are as democratic as we preach to the world then a vote in the UN is the only legal way. The EU is not united behind Kosovo independence, it only united it all say YES. International law is at stake already Iran, N.Korea etc are laughing in the UN's face.
OK the majority and the US have recognised Kosovo but again in a democratic world it still needs UN backing.
What we can clearly see is how much the EU and Kosovo need Serbia, without Serbias backing Kosovo as a viable state is going to stagnate, recognitions will be limited.
What an ego Feith has to think that he can tell Serbia off and infer that they may not be able to join the EU club as a result of them rightfully persuing a legal ruling!
And of course it will have an impact on the EU and EULEX. If the ICJ rules that the recognition of the UDI was unlawful, then it will completely undermine any attempt to move forward without UN Security Council approval. And undermine Ban's under the table handing over of power to the EU.
Not only will implementing the rejected A Plan and introducing EULEX be illegal, but such moves will have been officially ruled as, and openly, illegal.
The second reason, Feith continued, is because the initiative "could have a negative effect on efforts to stabilize the situation", and went on to explain that "there is great unease in Kosovo itself over this initiative, that is slowing down the process of consolidation of Kosovo's statehood".
This statement contradicts his previous one that Kosovo's UDI is irreversible.Right now Thaci &co are on their toes contemplating the unthinkable,an ICJ decision favourable to Serbia.Such a decision will not only be a moral victory for Serbia but it will also put an end to any future recognitions of the UDI.
Feith and the rest of the unelected EU bureaucrats have underestimated Serbia's resolve to pursue a decision by ICJ.Under the carrot of EU membership,they were convinced that Serbia will play along to their tune.
In conclusion,Kosovo will remain an EU protectorate until the time comes when the
Albanians realise that there is no substitute to a negotiated settlement.
What an ego Feith has to think that he can tell Serbia off and infer that they may not be able to join the EU club as a result of them rightfully persuing a legal ruling!
And of course it will have an impact on the EU and EULEX. If the ICJ rules that the recognition of the UDI was unlawful, then it will completely undermine any attempt to move forward without UN Security Council approval. And undermine Ban's under the table handing over of power to the EU.
Not only will implementing the rejected A Plan and introducing EULEX be illegal, but such moves will have been officially ruled as, and openly, illegal.
Mr. Feith, this is a newsflash for you: Kosovo is NOT independent! So you see, there is nothing to reverse :)).
Just because 47 countries, made up of modern day colonialists and lapdogs, recognized the fake, illegal, and immoral state of Kosovo, does not make it 'independent'. In fact, Kosovo is vere 'dependent' on foreign aid from the US to keep it living. When that aid runs out, as it will very soon because the US has to pay down their 12 Trillion dollar deficit, then we Serbs will be waiting to take back control of our borders. Your job, Mr. Feith, is only temporary, so enjoy your big paycheque while it lasts.
Cheers!!
Oh dear, here we go with this "irreversible" nonsense once again. The fact that the independence movement is dead with the occupying nations melting down and EU divided is a good sign where this is heading. People with this mentality need to stop living in the past and come to terms with reality. The world is overwhelmingly against independence and that is irreversible my friends!
My country, the USA, made a serious mistake in regards to KosovO. We have turned international law on it's head, a total breach of trust in our international standing as far as Im concerned. My country has sided with WWII Nazi sympathizers (Albanian Skanderbeg and Bosniak Handzar SS divisions, not to mention the backing of wholescale ethnic cleansing in the Krajina area of Croatia), one's who murdered hundreds of thousands not like them in the region. I'm disgusted with the foreign policy situation of the West, how can any country's diplomats, that have recognized KosovO, keep a straight face when TELLING the world what is a unique case or precedent and what is not, it's all about interests, especially when it comes to Camp Bondsteel for the USA. There's a reason Georgia never recognized KosovO, they didn't want to end up like Serbia at some point in the future (which it's beginning to look like it will, Georgia will never regain any type of control over South Ossetia and Abhkzia again). I relish the day when the ICJ renders it's opinion in favor of Serbia, I will be able to tell all the uninformed people in my country that I was right, that the USA was wrong in regards to this situation and that KosovO is Serbia. When the western countries that continually supply this organized crime haven finally decide to pack up and leave, the whole world will see what the hole in the wall of Europe will be like and it won't be pretty.
Mr Feith who are you trying to convince? Lets look at the facts only 47 countries have recognised Kosovo as a new country. If we in the EU are as democratic as we preach to the world then a vote in the UN is the only legal way. The EU is not united behind Kosovo independence, it only united it all say YES. International law is at stake already Iran, N.Korea etc are laughing in the UN's face.
OK the majority and the US have recognised Kosovo but again in a democratic world it still needs UN backing.
What we can clearly see is how much the EU and Kosovo need Serbia, without Serbias backing Kosovo as a viable state is going to stagnate, recognitions will be limited.
isn´t it strange that, if the ICJ ruling has no effect at all, that THEN all those puppets are so nervous about it?
even if everything else failed, Serbia had the right to take over control. don´t fool yourself, you will realize some day that you can do nothing about it, it is Serbia, you are living in.
and these ineffective attempts of propaganda-spin are the best proof that time is working for Serbia.
Bilaly - Are you saying a minority with a grievance has the right to secede from the nation state. I can think of 100 more deserving minorities around the world who have been treated far worse. Your recipe is one for disaster.
"It is an advisory opinion with no binding effect. The practical implications are limited," the EU representative said. I'm sure Serbia has realised this inadequacy in the ICJ ruling. I would hope that
the next step will be to introduce the idea of some sort of punishment for those breaking the law eg sanctions, freezing assets, compensation for damages etc. It is imperative that as individuals and states we all obey the law, it is unacceptable that in the 21 century a countries fate is determined by the favours of other rich and powerful states. Come on Serbia it's your fate to push through the new world order !
Well I dont get one thing.. Why are the Serbian camp so happy that american economy is in a slump? Why do they say that Kosova is the US and EU satellite/fake state. What about Serbia and Russia.. What about Greece and Russia.. It is funny how the camel never sees its own hump but only the one on the others camel back...
Close to 2 million Albanians in Kosovo fought for and won independence.Only this fact is good enough for me.BUT that is not all.We also have some very powerful and democratic allies,among them the United States of Amerika.
"It is an advisory opinion with no binding effect. The practical implications are limited,"
Duh! Serbs themselves said that if it comes pro-Kosovo it will be ignored ('We'll never recognize...' said Tadic) so why should the rest care? 47 countries....47 of the most powerful countries. So powerful that Serbia is begging them to let Serbia in the club. See what Tadic about US and how Serbia wants to be its ally. If Serbs think that 10,000 Albanians died for no reason (just in 1999) and some 70,000 houses burned in vain, you are in for a awakening.
Zeka,
Look, if you know much about Yugoslavia, you should know know that Yugoslavia was a country of minorities. Kosovo was recognized its autonomy; Serbia did recognize this autonomy also, but eventually changed its policy and did away with this autonomy. Now, who is going to trust the again? May be some countries that are affraid of their minorities will continue to be against Kosovo's independence, but not an impartial judgment.
To all those albanians posting here and its western sympathizers.
Let's get this issue straight. Kosovo albanians have NEVER won independence coz it is the WEST who dictates and forced the issue by allowing it since we all know that kosovo is been under NATO / EU control since 1999.
And its the WEST who manipulated the negotiations by promising the albanians a state of their own and thus resulting the collapsed of the talks since Belgrade will not allow it.
And now the WESTERN excuses that since the talks failed the kosovo albanians won a right to declared independence and used the REJECTED Ahtisaari plan. and now the WEST is saying the kosovo was a so called unique / special case. What is this??
The point is the WEST had done a great "injustice" to the serbian nation and thus will create a "precedent" to other nations who has separatists problems.
Yes it's true.Only 47 have recognized KosovA till now, the greatest states of the world.But don't forget it's only eight months.We will have many more recognitions.
Mind your own business serbia.Dont beg US like tadic is doing, quote:We can't achieve our goals without USA.
This is a very unwise move on the part of Serbia. The poll conducted on this B92 website indicates that the outcome of such a ruling on the legality of the declared independence of Kosova at the ICJ will be unfavorable to Serbia. Even worse, it is highly unlikely that the GA will vote in favor of sending Serbia's request to the ICJ. Again, the results of the B92 poll imply Serbia's case will never reach the ICJ.
This will result in Serbia ultimately having to recognize Kosova.
I don't care right now if independence is reversible or not. That is a future question. What is interesting right now is if the unilateral independence declaration was legal or not. After we have an an answer to that question, then we can begin to discuss if it is reversible.
"Kosovo's independence is an irreversible process", while the move is at the same time "not contributing to Serbia's European integrations aspirations".
Actually, Serbs should be grateful to Mr Faith for his candor in stating so blatantly the EU blackmail to Serbia.
In plain words: No recognition of 'Kosova', no EU.
Now,the Serbs shouldn't have much problem with this alternative, but what to do with our leaders,who, in an attack of their euro-delirium pledged us we can have that wonderful cake and eat it- at the same time?
Our friends Dutch are trying an improved Pavlov Dog technique on the Serbs-to train the dog whenever it gets kicked, to respond, by reflex. with a friendly wag of its tail.
Sometimes, indeed, it is difficult to take Serbia as a serious country.
"In a moment of historic import in the Capitol and on Wall Street, the House of Representatives voted on Monday to reject a $700 billion rescue of the financial industry. The vote came in stunning defiance of President Bush and Congressional leaders of both parties, who said the bailout was needed to prevent a widespread financial collapse."
taken from the New York Times site.
well, it just looks like the "one and only global superpower" is in some serious trouble.
I´d say, their appetite for military-adventures will be tamed in the future.
I´d just think of that before I start boasting around, my dear friends.
and that is happening in the same time while Serbia signed a business-deal with an italian "global-player"...
so, Russia is not even needed, Russia is a friend, not what the US are to you...
Let's compare the levels of the state officials speaking about the ICJ proposal. On one side you have the president of Serbia, and on the other side you have Peter Feith, who is not president of any country, and has a much lower level function, and some ambassadors of the countries in Serbia, that have to speak about it, because it is their job. this says a lot about what kind of conflict is going on around the ICJ thing and how important it is to each of the parties. Tadic has been left to deal with ambassadors(in the UN, in Serbia), not with his peers.
Ron what are you talking about? You can not divide a country along ethnic lines. Here in the UK we have a large Polish and Asian communities would it be ok for them to set up a new state. i think not.
In 1861 (USA) a bloody civil war was fought when the southern states wanted independence from the Union. The southern states were crushed so the US is not in favor of this either.
Maybe if ethnic peoples want there own state the should relocate back to there countries of origin.
If there are other areas in the world that want to go independent, why not. Let people walk free and if they can be viable as independent states, hats up to them. You can not force people against their will any more. Kosovo within Serbia was like a bad marriage, both parties are well off on their own. A serbia with kocovo within its borders, which means 20000000 Albanians in it. Come on people it will never work. Be realistic. Finally to cap it off, If there are other regions in the world like south osetia for example, let them go. Noting wrong with it. Let people walk free. You will see. Nothing is going to happen. Tomorrow wojvodina for example, if they want to walk away, let them go. Or Reshevo Valley in Serbia, If Albanians living there want to walk away and be better off on their own, let them go. god speed.
Feith has answered the question that Serbia wants to put to the ICJ.
He admits that he needs Belgrades permission to deploy Eulex in Kosovo. If Kosovo is a legally recognised state why does he need Belgrades permission? A tacit admission that Kosovo is Serbian land, and that he must abide by UNSCR 1244. i.e. get UNSC permission, which Eulex doesn't have. This is the reason why the Eulex deployment start date keeps getting pushed back all the time.
Feith you're running an illegal gambling house. Here's a quote from Zannier on the ICJ ruling, "...This initiative will have a global impact, which should be assessed. There could be consequences for the dynamic of international recognition of Kosovo, and this could prolong the present transitional phase."
"Folks, nothing can stand against Serbian resolve, unity, and being on the right side of justice! "
Ummm...a lot of nations have "resolve and unity." Underestimating others is the biggest mistake people make.
Why this is irreversible:
1. Morally, Most EU members seeing the treatment and attitudes from 1878 till now agree that independence is the only way to secure peace for the Albanians. Just because Tadic was elected, the attitudes have not changed, in fact, no apology or compensation has been offered to the Albanians. We aren't that dumb.
2. If they back down, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Albania will be 'destabilized.' Maybe Greece, Bulgaria and Turkey will get involved. After what they have gone through, the Albanians will not accept anything less than independence. This will be even if EU /US change their mind, but they have had 9 years to think about it so that is unlikely. Plus, everyone wants stability and EU prosperity and self-determination is not bad.
This is a very unwise move on the part of Serbia. The poll conducted on this B92 website indicates that the outcome of such a ruling on the legality of the declared independence of Kosova at the ICJ will be unfavorable to Serbia. Even worse, it is highly unlikely that the GA will vote in favor of sending Serbia's request to the ICJ. Again, the results of the B92 poll imply Serbia's case will never reach the ICJ.
This will result in Serbia ultimately having to recognize Kosova.
Well I dont get one thing.. Why are the Serbian camp so happy that american economy is in a slump? Why do they say that Kosova is the US and EU satellite/fake state. What about Serbia and Russia.. What about Greece and Russia.. It is funny how the camel never sees its own hump but only the one on the others camel back...
Yes it's true.Only 47 have recognized KosovA till now, the greatest states of the world.But don't forget it's only eight months.We will have many more recognitions.
Mind your own business serbia.Dont beg US like tadic is doing, quote:We can't achieve our goals without USA.
"It is an advisory opinion with no binding effect. The practical implications are limited,"
Duh! Serbs themselves said that if it comes pro-Kosovo it will be ignored ('We'll never recognize...' said Tadic) so why should the rest care? 47 countries....47 of the most powerful countries. So powerful that Serbia is begging them to let Serbia in the club. See what Tadic about US and how Serbia wants to be its ally. If Serbs think that 10,000 Albanians died for no reason (just in 1999) and some 70,000 houses burned in vain, you are in for a awakening.
Close to 2 million Albanians in Kosovo fought for and won independence.Only this fact is good enough for me.BUT that is not all.We also have some very powerful and democratic allies,among them the United States of Amerika.
The second reason, Feith continued, is because the initiative "could have a negative effect on efforts to stabilize the situation", and went on to explain that "there is great unease in Kosovo itself over this initiative, that is slowing down the process of consolidation of Kosovo's statehood".
This statement contradicts his previous one that Kosovo's UDI is irreversible.Right now Thaci &co are on their toes contemplating the unthinkable,an ICJ decision favourable to Serbia.Such a decision will not only be a moral victory for Serbia but it will also put an end to any future recognitions of the UDI.
Feith and the rest of the unelected EU bureaucrats have underestimated Serbia's resolve to pursue a decision by ICJ.Under the carrot of EU membership,they were convinced that Serbia will play along to their tune.
In conclusion,Kosovo will remain an EU protectorate until the time comes when the
Albanians realise that there is no substitute to a negotiated settlement.
My country, the USA, made a serious mistake in regards to KosovO. We have turned international law on it's head, a total breach of trust in our international standing as far as Im concerned. My country has sided with WWII Nazi sympathizers (Albanian Skanderbeg and Bosniak Handzar SS divisions, not to mention the backing of wholescale ethnic cleansing in the Krajina area of Croatia), one's who murdered hundreds of thousands not like them in the region. I'm disgusted with the foreign policy situation of the West, how can any country's diplomats, that have recognized KosovO, keep a straight face when TELLING the world what is a unique case or precedent and what is not, it's all about interests, especially when it comes to Camp Bondsteel for the USA. There's a reason Georgia never recognized KosovO, they didn't want to end up like Serbia at some point in the future (which it's beginning to look like it will, Georgia will never regain any type of control over South Ossetia and Abhkzia again). I relish the day when the ICJ renders it's opinion in favor of Serbia, I will be able to tell all the uninformed people in my country that I was right, that the USA was wrong in regards to this situation and that KosovO is Serbia. When the western countries that continually supply this organized crime haven finally decide to pack up and leave, the whole world will see what the hole in the wall of Europe will be like and it won't be pretty.
"It is an advisory opinion with no binding effect. The practical implications are limited," the EU representative said. I'm sure Serbia has realised this inadequacy in the ICJ ruling. I would hope that
the next step will be to introduce the idea of some sort of punishment for those breaking the law eg sanctions, freezing assets, compensation for damages etc. It is imperative that as individuals and states we all obey the law, it is unacceptable that in the 21 century a countries fate is determined by the favours of other rich and powerful states. Come on Serbia it's your fate to push through the new world order !
Oh dear, here we go with this "irreversible" nonsense once again. The fact that the independence movement is dead with the occupying nations melting down and EU divided is a good sign where this is heading. People with this mentality need to stop living in the past and come to terms with reality. The world is overwhelmingly against independence and that is irreversible my friends!
Mr. Feith, this is a newsflash for you: Kosovo is NOT independent! So you see, there is nothing to reverse :)).
Just because 47 countries, made up of modern day colonialists and lapdogs, recognized the fake, illegal, and immoral state of Kosovo, does not make it 'independent'. In fact, Kosovo is vere 'dependent' on foreign aid from the US to keep it living. When that aid runs out, as it will very soon because the US has to pay down their 12 Trillion dollar deficit, then we Serbs will be waiting to take back control of our borders. Your job, Mr. Feith, is only temporary, so enjoy your big paycheque while it lasts.
Cheers!!
Bilaly - Are you saying a minority with a grievance has the right to secede from the nation state. I can think of 100 more deserving minorities around the world who have been treated far worse. Your recipe is one for disaster.
What an ego Feith has to think that he can tell Serbia off and infer that they may not be able to join the EU club as a result of them rightfully persuing a legal ruling!
And of course it will have an impact on the EU and EULEX. If the ICJ rules that the recognition of the UDI was unlawful, then it will completely undermine any attempt to move forward without UN Security Council approval. And undermine Ban's under the table handing over of power to the EU.
Not only will implementing the rejected A Plan and introducing EULEX be illegal, but such moves will have been officially ruled as, and openly, illegal.
Mr Feith who are you trying to convince? Lets look at the facts only 47 countries have recognised Kosovo as a new country. If we in the EU are as democratic as we preach to the world then a vote in the UN is the only legal way. The EU is not united behind Kosovo independence, it only united it all say YES. International law is at stake already Iran, N.Korea etc are laughing in the UN's face.
OK the majority and the US have recognised Kosovo but again in a democratic world it still needs UN backing.
What we can clearly see is how much the EU and Kosovo need Serbia, without Serbias backing Kosovo as a viable state is going to stagnate, recognitions will be limited.
isn´t it strange that, if the ICJ ruling has no effect at all, that THEN all those puppets are so nervous about it?
even if everything else failed, Serbia had the right to take over control. don´t fool yourself, you will realize some day that you can do nothing about it, it is Serbia, you are living in.
and these ineffective attempts of propaganda-spin are the best proof that time is working for Serbia.
"Kosovo's independence is an irreversible process", while the move is at the same time "not contributing to Serbia's European integrations aspirations".
Actually, Serbs should be grateful to Mr Faith for his candor in stating so blatantly the EU blackmail to Serbia.
In plain words: No recognition of 'Kosova', no EU.
Now,the Serbs shouldn't have much problem with this alternative, but what to do with our leaders,who, in an attack of their euro-delirium pledged us we can have that wonderful cake and eat it- at the same time?
Our friends Dutch are trying an improved Pavlov Dog technique on the Serbs-to train the dog whenever it gets kicked, to respond, by reflex. with a friendly wag of its tail.
Sometimes, indeed, it is difficult to take Serbia as a serious country.
Zeka,
Look, if you know much about Yugoslavia, you should know know that Yugoslavia was a country of minorities. Kosovo was recognized its autonomy; Serbia did recognize this autonomy also, but eventually changed its policy and did away with this autonomy. Now, who is going to trust the again? May be some countries that are affraid of their minorities will continue to be against Kosovo's independence, but not an impartial judgment.
To all those albanians posting here and its western sympathizers.
Let's get this issue straight. Kosovo albanians have NEVER won independence coz it is the WEST who dictates and forced the issue by allowing it since we all know that kosovo is been under NATO / EU control since 1999.
And its the WEST who manipulated the negotiations by promising the albanians a state of their own and thus resulting the collapsed of the talks since Belgrade will not allow it.
And now the WESTERN excuses that since the talks failed the kosovo albanians won a right to declared independence and used the REJECTED Ahtisaari plan. and now the WEST is saying the kosovo was a so called unique / special case. What is this??
The point is the WEST had done a great "injustice" to the serbian nation and thus will create a "precedent" to other nations who has separatists problems.
If there are other areas in the world that want to go independent, why not. Let people walk free and if they can be viable as independent states, hats up to them. You can not force people against their will any more. Kosovo within Serbia was like a bad marriage, both parties are well off on their own. A serbia with kocovo within its borders, which means 20000000 Albanians in it. Come on people it will never work. Be realistic. Finally to cap it off, If there are other regions in the world like south osetia for example, let them go. Noting wrong with it. Let people walk free. You will see. Nothing is going to happen. Tomorrow wojvodina for example, if they want to walk away, let them go. Or Reshevo Valley in Serbia, If Albanians living there want to walk away and be better off on their own, let them go. god speed.
"In a moment of historic import in the Capitol and on Wall Street, the House of Representatives voted on Monday to reject a $700 billion rescue of the financial industry. The vote came in stunning defiance of President Bush and Congressional leaders of both parties, who said the bailout was needed to prevent a widespread financial collapse."
taken from the New York Times site.
well, it just looks like the "one and only global superpower" is in some serious trouble.
I´d say, their appetite for military-adventures will be tamed in the future.
I´d just think of that before I start boasting around, my dear friends.
and that is happening in the same time while Serbia signed a business-deal with an italian "global-player"...
so, Russia is not even needed, Russia is a friend, not what the US are to you...
Ron what are you talking about? You can not divide a country along ethnic lines. Here in the UK we have a large Polish and Asian communities would it be ok for them to set up a new state. i think not.
In 1861 (USA) a bloody civil war was fought when the southern states wanted independence from the Union. The southern states were crushed so the US is not in favor of this either.
Maybe if ethnic peoples want there own state the should relocate back to there countries of origin.
Feith has answered the question that Serbia wants to put to the ICJ.
He admits that he needs Belgrades permission to deploy Eulex in Kosovo. If Kosovo is a legally recognised state why does he need Belgrades permission? A tacit admission that Kosovo is Serbian land, and that he must abide by UNSCR 1244. i.e. get UNSC permission, which Eulex doesn't have. This is the reason why the Eulex deployment start date keeps getting pushed back all the time.
Let's compare the levels of the state officials speaking about the ICJ proposal. On one side you have the president of Serbia, and on the other side you have Peter Feith, who is not president of any country, and has a much lower level function, and some ambassadors of the countries in Serbia, that have to speak about it, because it is their job. this says a lot about what kind of conflict is going on around the ICJ thing and how important it is to each of the parties. Tadic has been left to deal with ambassadors(in the UN, in Serbia), not with his peers.
I don't care right now if independence is reversible or not. That is a future question. What is interesting right now is if the unilateral independence declaration was legal or not. After we have an an answer to that question, then we can begin to discuss if it is reversible.
"Folks, nothing can stand against Serbian resolve, unity, and being on the right side of justice! "
Ummm...a lot of nations have "resolve and unity." Underestimating others is the biggest mistake people make.
Why this is irreversible:
1. Morally, Most EU members seeing the treatment and attitudes from 1878 till now agree that independence is the only way to secure peace for the Albanians. Just because Tadic was elected, the attitudes have not changed, in fact, no apology or compensation has been offered to the Albanians. We aren't that dumb.
2. If they back down, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Albania will be 'destabilized.' Maybe Greece, Bulgaria and Turkey will get involved. After what they have gone through, the Albanians will not accept anything less than independence. This will be even if EU /US change their mind, but they have had 9 years to think about it so that is unlikely. Plus, everyone wants stability and EU prosperity and self-determination is not bad.
Feith you're running an illegal gambling house. Here's a quote from Zannier on the ICJ ruling, "...This initiative will have a global impact, which should be assessed. There could be consequences for the dynamic of international recognition of Kosovo, and this could prolong the present transitional phase."
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