Priština to spend millions on lobbying

Spending millions to try and cement its phony, illeagal state!! The K_Albanians are certainly desperate and it goes to show that UDI has been a sham!!

so many poor children, so many jobless and poeple in need, ...and these have no other idea than to waste a lot of money for a lost cause...

and what´s best, that money is coming from international tax payers.
a shame!

"One thing is sure.
The most important states in the worls as USA, 21 form 27 EU, Japon, AUstralia etc has recognise this independence. Where is the problem ? About Romania, Slovakia or Russia ? Kosovo don't need their support. Thay can still shamely support Serbia that is trying by all the ways to destabilise this new nation. It doesent change nothing in reality in Kosovo. All friends of Kosovo are wellcome, and the rest - whio cares.
(MEL, 26 September 2008 12:48)"

who cares you say? Why don't you ask your government in Pristina? They cared enough to spend millions as per this article. They cared enough to send people to the UN all the time. Only the West is important? Not if Kosovo hopes to get pass the Russians and Chinese vetoes in the UNSC in its UN membership application. That's the real situation in this mad globe of ours.

Of course they are spending millions promoting their fake and illegal state, because it's not their money!
They have no economy, no tax base, no state income, no functioning institutions, and are run by outsiders from NATO. Now that the American economy is going to hell in handbasket, let's see how much money they will have to fund camp Bondsteel and this illegal and immoral fake state. We are witnessing before our eyes, friends, the decline of the American empire :)).
Cheers!!

"Mr Peter & Jovan
Why are you so worried regarding the money? Is it coming out of your pockets? Kosovo wanted to - and achieved Indepence. Phony state u say? That is fine but I am sure that u are well aware that US has recignized them now. Do you really think that any country that has recognized Kosovo will retract their decison now? Do You? Live & let live in peace and harmony in Ballkans.
(Cazanova, 26 September 2008 14:15)"

Cazanova (btw, you spelt the name wrong), Pristina's UDD was and is phoney and the ICJ will confirm that. Without unanimous support from the EU states and UN security Council, the chances of you being legitimate is next to non existant. Not to mention that Belgrade will never recognise you. Its no secret that Pristina is desperate of Belgrade's as well. Chances of that happening are between zero and zero. Not good odds is it.

Your depending on the US to support you. Well guess what, the US is near bankrupt. Its trillions of dollars in the red (wars in Afghanistan & Iraq) and credit crunch. It wont be long till they have to scale back their military and foreign policy expenditure meaning you guys could well be forced to go back to the negotiating table into meaningful talks with Belgrade. Remember they hold the key, not bankrupt Washington.

Where does Kosovo get money for lobbying when it is by far the poorest state in Europe? I am sure they have much better things to spend money on.

Jovan,

You forgot to mention that your feeble attempts at propaganda against Kosova are being paid for by the gov't of Serbia! All those poor Serb children and their unemployed parents are being deprived of the money the Serb Gov't is spending to pay people such as yourself to write the type of bush league propaganda that no one believes anyway.

Wake up Serbia and enter the 21th century!

Jovane you didnt care in 90 what happened to this poor children and jobless people why do you care now because they have freedom now and they want be anymore poor believe me.That money is not coming from international tax payers that maoney is from Kosovan budget and why do you bother so much were from that money is coming is not yours.

@MEL, sorry but as many others before you who are so desperate in favour of independence and constantly try to tell the readers that the most important countries recognised Kosovo you are wrong. As the German Minister of Finance yesterday clearly stated the US have gone down and their economy cannot be build upon anymore and he warned people not to invest anymore on Wall Street etc. etc. But also you make a mistake because the important countries have NOT recognised your little country. Those are the countries dealing within 3-5 year with the major world economy. China, India, Brasil and Russia. You really make a fundamental mistake in thinking that if the USA does something you are well off. It is 2008 my friend, and the world just went into a different direction. Like it or not but maybe you should focus on some different countries if you want to prosper in the future!

#to jovan

i know there are many poor people in kosova, but as you probably dont know there were many poor people before 1999 as well, at least we know that not a police or army iss going to kill us for no reason, i rather live in poverty than under serbia ever again...

It's a waste of money that could be put to better use in the region, and it confirms that Thaci was lying when he boasted of 100 countries ready to recognize.

3 million dollars versus UN legitimacy and accountability from Serbia - one side is clearly in the 21st century using legal and diplomatic means. The other is still in the 19th Ottoman century of bribery and bartering.

he-he Jovan my friend, you've provoked some heated disputes in here.
If I would be Kosovo government I's be ashamed to admit this amount publicly (perhaps they are ready to pay even double amount or more), because first:
it sounds as if they are desperate
second:
it makes them look like crooks whose only way ahead is to buy people and respect.

One thing is sure.
The most important states in the worls as USA, 21 form 27 EU, Japon, AUstralia etc has recognise this independence. Where is the problem ? About Romania, Slovakia or Russia ? Kosovo don't need their support. Thay can still shamely support Serbia that is trying by all the ways to destabilise this new nation. It doesent change nothing in reality in Kosovo. All friends of Kosovo are wellcome, and the rest - whio cares.

Albanians (and Croatians/Bosnians) spent millions of dollars for lobbyists in 1999 to pay off American politicians and media to get them to bomb Serbia.
http://www.kosovohere.com/2008/03/albanian-bosnian-and-croatian-lobbying.html

Une,#13

I can’t believe that You believe in what you’re writing. If you think that for real – I am speechless.

America is on the brink of bankruptcy – sorry, I put it in mild form – They are already bankrupt – the latest to bankrupt is the biggest US bank – WM – just happened this morning – but they are just trying to buy some time and do some drama speeches from your only MR. Bush – but they are lucky, because they still have some hard-audience.

Even most White House politicians agree and accept that – by not agreeing on emergency meetings last two days and begging each other to sign-prolong the COLLAPSE. They know that it’s no way that America can make that amount of many in their life time(s). They can print it – as they are doing now – but all that has limits – even their EU partners are trying to find way out – run off from US currency.

Une – do you know how many Big-Mac’s is 11 trillion dollars – debt and rising. By being dependent on Arab oil and Chinese goods – they left only with some “healthy” hybrid food, Coke and Big Macks to offer to world to make it up.

And American Way of LI(f)E you are buying and accepting has big price tag – which you’re not seeing – too dark in underground.

Desperate times in Kosovo!

To Jovan,Peter & rest of Serbian camp.


It is trully amazing as to how much you tend to really care about us Alboz,( especialy Jovan) whome always tend to adress us with dear albanian friends, why do you guys care how much money we spend, if with that 3 mil we manage to get a couple of recognitions more than money well spend I say. What you guys should ask your own goverment is how much money has Jeremic spent for the past 6 months on the flights alone, and is all going to come to nothing as KOSOVO WILL NEVER BE UNDER SERBIA ;))

Agim

Nothing like the Friday rant. Thank Crunchie for that.



If you are referring to Operation Horshoe, the alledged Yugoslav state poicy of expelling ethnic Albanians from Serbia, well that was later shown to be a fabrication. The head of German intelligence later admitted it. WMD in Iraq anybody????

Now if there was a state policy of ethnic cleansing then please tell me why there are 100,000+ ethnic Albanians living in Belgrade. Why werent they ethnically cleansed too? Did you know that during the war, the Albanian population of Belgrade doubled. Fact.

I watched the documentary 'Stolen Kosovo' the other night and in it they interviewed a number of K-Albanians who were forced out of their homes by the KLA. In 1998 hundreds of loyal Yugoslav Albanians were murdered by the KLA because they were lorry drivers, postman, garbage collectors, civil servants, policemen, politicians etc. One elderly Albanian was tortured because he went for coffee to the home of his Serb neighbours whom he knew all his life. Your propaganda simply doesnt wash anymore. Arti, there will only be peace if you decide to live peacefully & coexist with your Serb, Roma, Jewish, Gorani, Bosniak and other non-Albanian neighbours again. Just like they do in Belgrade, Novi Sad & Nis.



Ah Roberto, the mask slips. Always knew you were Albanian and not a Jew as you decry here on a regular basis.



Roberto, if your lookin for cheap political point scoring, then my friend you've come to the wrong place. You see, Kosmet belongs to all people who live there, not just Albanians but you have to understand that the land you call 'Kosova' has a special place in the heart of all Serbs because its their spiritual heart land. Its where it all began for them. Kosovo i Methojia the very place defines their culture, language, religon, everything Serbdom. You cannot buy that. Every nation has its heartbeat. For the Armenians its Mount Ararat, Greeks its Olympus, Muslims its Mecca, Native Peruvian Incas its Cuzco, Tibetans is Lhasa, Christians its the Holy Land. For Serbs its not any different. Its where they bled.

In order for peace and mutual understanding Roberto, you've got to understand the other side (Serb). There are 2 sides to every story. If you want to know why Tadic and Jeremic on behalf of the Serbian people are fighting tooth for Kosovo under huge pressure from larger forces its because of the reasons above.

Now before anybody jumps down my throat, I'm not a Serb, not a Serb nationalist in any stretch of the imagination. I'm Irish. I havent even got a drop of Serb blood inside me. I hold no attachment to the place (except to the slivovitz). But I do know the differnce between right and wrong and what is going on right now is wrong. However I do believe in justice finally prevailing and the righteousness winning out in the end.

Finally Roberto, 'Kosova' is far from multi-ethnic. ust ask any non-Albanian liing there and they will tell you how they live in constant fear in ghettos surrounded by barbed war and NATO troops and how they hop in an armoured car to go shopping, church on Sundays, visit relatives, pub etc.

If thats your idea of living in harmony, God help us all.

Not even a single cent should be spared to say to the world the TRUTH!!!

KOSOVA WAS, IS AND WILL BE ALBANIAN.

Mr Peter & Jovan
Why are you so worried regarding the money? Is it coming out of your pockets? Kosovo wanted to - and achieved Indepence. Phony state u say? That is fine but I am sure that u are well aware that US has recignized them now. Do you really think that any country that has recognized Kosovo will retract their decison now? Do You? Live & let live in peace and harmony in Ballkans.

Franc

As far as US economy we all know very well that no other country has as much bying power as the US. Who would you much rather do Buss with India or US. Second the American empire will be around forever because here they give everyone a chance and there is no shifts on foreign policy like in Russia China or India so it is a stable country with stable markets. Third Russia is certanly gaining some ground but will never be able to reach the US because it is American money that funds Russia growths. Do you recall what happend to Russia last month after the war in their stoick markets?? All the investors mainly form the US pulled out their money and the market collapsed. Why becasue in Russia unlike the US the gang attitude of Putin rulkes. In Russia they can sieze your assets and all you are worth only because they want too, not in the US.. Stable and good economy.
So make a long story short US is one of the greatest countries and will be such forever because it is build upon democratic principles and respects private property .. Unlike Russia and China.. But dont worry soon they will get a new war in Russia that will drain all their money and will leave them high and dry

This is awesome news. I am sure, Serbs will cry like babies and hide themself in fear of 3 mln Euros applied against their interests.

FYI: 3 million Euro = 3 small houses in Silicon Valley. We did not own any (well, we are not that good with property speculation), my colleague and close friend owns one house and one office unit.

So we are almost "there". If you ask me nicely, I might even donate some older clothing to Greater Republic of Mbuku Mbeki, that will help their Chief Shaman recognize Republic of Kosova as EQUAL.

Kosovo can afford 3 mil euros, because we got $1.3billion from the international conference few months ago.

This is peanuts for us to accelarate EVEN FURTHER, recognition and joining the UN and the EU. The IMF and World Bank are done deals,...

A few points: Kosova has it's own budget, funded by tariffs and taxes. EU /US do give aid but that is in the single digits of the budget. (UN /KFOR salaries are different)

2. America has goone 'bankrupt' in the 70's with the oil crises, Savings & Loans crisis, the internet crash and now the bank crisis. Each time they came back stronger.

Russia on the other hand has defaulted TWICE on debts, US has bailed out Brazil, Russia, Argentina, Mexico...etc. etc. The US debt is high, but they also have a 14 TRILLION economy, equal to all EU combined. Greece for example has a much higher debt %.

The reason the can go in debt is because China, Russia and Arabs beleive in US and see that as the safest investment in the world. Either way, NATO is charged with protecting Kosova, that includes UK, Germany, France, Slovenia and soon Croatia and Albania.

Tip: NEVER bet against America, long term.

Just a couple of weeks ago I was watching a TV program where a finance expert from America was telling us in Australia not to invest there.
They are admitting their collapse openly and even warning people not to invest.
Dark days have come to America.
How much longer can they be in a position to "democraticaly persuade" the world to recognize Kosovo?

America's only way out of this is to ensure new wars around the globe and sell more arms.

All the while India, China and Russia are building up legitimately. So tell me K-Albanians, who is going to follow America regardless how much money you spend advertising? I'm sure it will only be seen as a tourist commercial and nothing more.

Are you going to show them all those burned churches and monasteries? Are you going to show them your Serbian "citizens" behind barbed wire?
Are you going to show them how NATO can provide armed escort to the local pub or a place of burned out worship?

3M of anything is not going to buy much. I'm sure a Serbian business man can spend as much to show all those lovely sites I just mentioned.

Awesome! Gotta get that recognition number up. And indeed with 4 and a half million dollars there's enough lobbying to be made.

Tip: NEVER bet against America, long term.
(Dashnori i Ceces, 26 September 2008 20:30)

Yep, Dashnori. But I have to say.... Mongolo/Tatars, Turks, Napoleon, hitler (small letters!) all they did bet long-term against a certain country. Their bets were not really successful. According the famous prophecy: "there are three Romes and the fourth won't be". Too bad, neither Napoleon nor hitler could read "Москва - третий Рим, а четвертому не бывать"

so they made a costly math mistake.

For good or bad, the "third Rome" is sometimes up, sometimes down - but it is out there for the rest of the history. I am not a big fan of much of putin's politics, so don't blame the messenger for the "bad"(?) news.

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KOSOVA WAS, IS AND WILL BE ALBANIAN.
(ben, 26 September 2008 15:29)

That will impress the Big Shaman of Mbuku Mbeki, not us. And so much about the "multi-ethnic" fairy tales of Ahtisaari. K-Albanian politics are for Greater Albania, they will remove the "multi-ethnic" mask as soon as they can. Thanks for telling the truth about what to expect, but we already know it.

I keep getting censured for some reason,probably belgrade's pressure it's working on B92:)

to Serbian camp,
it's smarter to invest on samething that you have or you alredy own vs something you dream like Serbia does,have you asked yourself how much your government it's spending for Kosova? and by the way mr Jovan that's the money comming out of your pocket not the ones that Kosova governement it's spending.

3 million dollars versus UN legitimacy and accountability from Serbia - one side is clearly in the 21st century using legal and diplomatic means. The other is still in the 19th Ottoman century of bribery and bartering.
(Mike, 26 September 2008 18:52)
yes mike,that side your talking about using legal and diplomatic means today nine years ago was trying to get rid of all Albanians in Kosova....please next time spare as with legal and diplomatic means comming from the Serbian side.

peace

to Ajsel: even if you won´t believe me - I did care for all peoples of the former Yugoslavia, and of course also for the K-albanians who, there is no doubt about that, had a hard time in the Milosevic-era.
but, Milosevic is gone, and now there is no reason to pretend false-genocide-accusations or pseudo-historic illusions about ancient illyrians...

now, I think that you will have to accept international law, and sooner or later you will have to, I do not doubt in that.

but once again, I did care for you, if you wanna know it, but my attitude changed a bit, when I saw what you are doing to the innocent population be it Serbs or Albanians alike, and especially what you are doing to the rich serbian cultural heritage in our southern province.

that is a shame, a shame for the K-Albanians!

I work for my living, and this here is simply edutainment for me. those who read my lines and are not albanian-radicals will learn about the truth of your socalled "illyrian descent", your "natural Albania", your corrupt criminal-leaders who are in fact your REAL enemies, and not the Serbs.

fortunately I know some Albanians personally, who share my view, a few days ago I mentioned one, but I won´t say his name again, since he said it´s better not to provoke some limited minds to research where he lives and who he is.. so I will respect that, but even that presents a shame for YOU, given that an Albanian fears Albanians... and that says it all, I guess.

to Agim:

as said above, I have some albanian friends too, but if I adress the "independence"-supporters here as friends, it is more meant ironically.

I am certainly not a friend of individuals who are trying to legitimate their territorial aspirations with illusionary racially-ethnical inventions.

and since you asked, I do not care how much money you waste, since it is YOU who are wasting it - so you are responsible for your own naivety, but I think it is a shame that you have the opportunity to waste money that you haven´t even worked for! do you see the difference, my friend?

there´s a huge difference, and I hope that NOW you know what I meant.

last but not least to Veki, the serbian guy:

it´s not my goal to provoke here, that´s the Albanians´ addiction here it seems. what I said was menat very honest and seriously. there are a lot of Albanians in poverty, and unfortunately, our smart friends here do not seem to care about the fact that thugs like Thaci or Haradinaj are getting rich at the expense of their own poeple...

that is interesting, though. isn´t it?

oh, yes, you caught me. i just pretend to be a jew, so i can hear yet even more insults and slurs, about being a "self-admitted" jew, and how i must pray to "allah" which in any event means "god", it does not mean the muslim god, which in any event does not exist because monotheists believe in one god, but why bother with all of that here?

i am not muslim, nor albanian nor serb, nor bosnian, nor will i stop my postings nor stop fighting for democracy and human rights, thank you very much. no matter how much i am belittled by the other side, incl the "moderates." please give me a break.

most of you anti-independence advocates have never even been to kosovo/a, and/or have very skewed or limited ideas about life there, based on all of the anti-albanian propaganda, say from the past 100 years plus. so pls stop passing yourselves off as experts cause that is a joke. yes you have a POV and i've heard it over and over and over. doesn't mean it is based on reality.

as for the multi-cultural society, i have NEVER claimed that it has succeeded and is just dandy in kosovo/a. it isn't. and yes i have been there numerous times, met people of all ethnicities, serbian neighborhoods, areas, whatever. not that i have to prove myself in this forum but it is reality.

on the other hand, where is there a multi-cultural haven? in serbia? give me a break! croatia? bosnia? yr beloved RS, built directly on genocide??

the closest i've seen is sarajevo, even after that war, 4 yr seige, hell on earth, don't get me started. but even there, where i meet many persons of serb or croatian or other ethnicities that are integrated and well engaged -- even there things are less than perfect, as we have just seen by that mini pogrom (yes, pogrom) by "fundamentalist hooligans", or as some of you would prefer, their putting those "provocative homos" in their place... don't you just love it? (not!)

we are building or attempting to build multi-cultural society in kosovo/a. it IS possible. it has been done. it is not impossible. with all of your barbed-wire horror-stories, please give us a break! but it -- multi-cultural society, democratic society, civil society CANNOT be built in such circumstances when your govt in blgd continues, day in and day out, to wage "PEACEfUL" war against the republic of kosova. and keep "its" people (kosovar serbs) in a constant state of panic, flux, divided loyalties, and brewing nationalism.

i have said many times: those people (serbs in kosovo/a) are both pawns and actors. they (typically) decorate their streets with the most extreme symbols of serb nationalism, "more serb than the serbs." this is the direct fallout of the long-time policies of belgrade, which have not changed in essence, which uses serb men, women and children throughout the former YU to keep things unstable and in turmoil. in croatia, it backfired terribly (we are still dealing with the fallout) -- in bosnia, look what a mess has been wrought -- in serbia, nationalist ferver boils over every few months, in violence. and in kosovo/a, there is ongoing tension, that is deliberately stoked.

but this has been said all before.

and now we have to see how successful will be this upcoming "moderate" attempt (in the UNGA) to once again club Kosova and keep them in their place. so sad.

again, i hope and pray -- yes, to "ALLAH", adonai, alohim, god, whatever and however you say it, that the world will see it as the hypocritical farce that it is and soundly defeat it.

thank you.

roberto
frisco/sarajevo

roberto, my dear albanian friend...


would it be of interest for you to learn, that calling San Francisco "Frisco" is more than unpopular among the poeple who REALLY live in that truly beautiful city?

and that is not the only thing that makes your comments so implausible.

the remaining Serbs are decorating their streets with serbian flags and state-symbols, the symbols of their state, they live in... if that is a sign of some "extreme serbian nationalism" then, my dear you simply do not get it.
it is Serbia they live in, and there is nothing bad about loving their state.

you should rather care about your flawed view of what is moral and justice, ...instead of accusing others to be nationalists.

pray to god, in whatever name you chose... that doesn´t matter, ..but what does matter is that Kosovo is Serbia, and you still haven´t realized that there is no "kosova"...it is an illusion.

Belgrade should reconsider its offer in light of the current situation in the US.

Instead of 'more than autonomy but less than independence' it should be 'direct accountability to Belgrade'.

Just remember this quote my K-ALbanian "allies".

We have no friends, America only has interests.

"..so many poor children, so many jobless and poeple in need, ...and these have no other idea than to waste a lot of money for a lost cause... "

Jovan,

We all know how much you care about the poverty in Kosova but just to give you a hint. That Kosova is not that poor as you might wish. Firstly because the strong and powerful emigration abroad created by the leaders of ex-Yugoslavia and Serbia. Most Kosovars have double nationalities and support their families in Kosova.

oh guys and gals, pls don't lv me out of the debate. i do agree that it is sad to have to spend millions on lobbying as opposed to building up jobs, infra structure, education etc. BUT we have no choice because there is a "Non-violent" war being waged against us (kosovar independence) at this very moment! that many of you are supporting, on a daily basis. so we have no choice, and no apologies.

and now, let me make quite certain to get as few recommendations as possible: i personally do not agree nor appreciate these statements that "Kosova is and always will be albanian!" kosova is multi ethnic, has been for a very long time, and will be for a very long time. i know that 90%+ of the population is albanian, and i know that belgrade could care less, since their issue is not the people but the territory. but like EVERY other country, incl serbia (though some here barely acknowledge it)is multi-ethnic, and that is why the ahtissari plan was so impt. in order to try to bring in the serb minority, promise meaningful protection of human rights, and strive for a multi-cultural society.

i do understand how many ethnic albanians, incl some of my frnds, are outraged by serbs (in general) and see their freedom and future in albanian terms. i must disagree with that.

the EU is clearly the path for the future, for Kosova and for serbia, and for the whole of the balkans. but it will not happen by magic. if it happens at all, it will only be when those of the balkans embrace pro-democracy, pro-human rights values, which in any event is the right way to go.

John

You mean the 21st century where the united nations are now totaly being disrispected, territorial integrity is completly irelative and non important, the 21 century where we are threatening with wars, talking about launching missiles at our neighbours and ICBMs across the world, economic crisis, I wouldent be surprised if we have another great depression and then the third world war brakes out.

It seems that Serbia is the one and only guardian of international rights and the only true demoracy in the world.

"Kosovo can afford 3 mil euros, because we got $1.3billion from the international conference few months ago."

That money was only pledged and not atually given. And I think recent events means the amount actually received will be somewhat less than $1,300,000,000.

@reaction 13, Une: If you can not even write correctly my name (it is with an S and not a C, never saw a name Franc but that beside) shows you are not serious. Will not even react on your non-economical speech in your comment. No words.

Jovan,

You forgot to mention that your feeble attempts at propaganda against Kosova are being paid for by the gov't of Serbia! All those poor Serb children and their unemployed parents are being deprived of the money the Serb Gov't is spending to pay people such as yourself to write the type of bush league propaganda that no one believes anyway.

Wake up Serbia and enter the 21th century!

One thing is sure.
The most important states in the worls as USA, 21 form 27 EU, Japon, AUstralia etc has recognise this independence. Where is the problem ? About Romania, Slovakia or Russia ? Kosovo don't need their support. Thay can still shamely support Serbia that is trying by all the ways to destabilise this new nation. It doesent change nothing in reality in Kosovo. All friends of Kosovo are wellcome, and the rest - whio cares.

Not even a single cent should be spared to say to the world the TRUTH!!!

KOSOVA WAS, IS AND WILL BE ALBANIAN.

#to jovan

i know there are many poor people in kosova, but as you probably dont know there were many poor people before 1999 as well, at least we know that not a police or army iss going to kill us for no reason, i rather live in poverty than under serbia ever again...

Mr Peter & Jovan
Why are you so worried regarding the money? Is it coming out of your pockets? Kosovo wanted to - and achieved Indepence. Phony state u say? That is fine but I am sure that u are well aware that US has recignized them now. Do you really think that any country that has recognized Kosovo will retract their decison now? Do You? Live & let live in peace and harmony in Ballkans.

To Jovan,Peter & rest of Serbian camp.


It is trully amazing as to how much you tend to really care about us Alboz,( especialy Jovan) whome always tend to adress us with dear albanian friends, why do you guys care how much money we spend, if with that 3 mil we manage to get a couple of recognitions more than money well spend I say. What you guys should ask your own goverment is how much money has Jeremic spent for the past 6 months on the flights alone, and is all going to come to nothing as KOSOVO WILL NEVER BE UNDER SERBIA ;))

Agim

Jovane you didnt care in 90 what happened to this poor children and jobless people why do you care now because they have freedom now and they want be anymore poor believe me.That money is not coming from international tax payers that maoney is from Kosovan budget and why do you bother so much were from that money is coming is not yours.

Franc

As far as US economy we all know very well that no other country has as much bying power as the US. Who would you much rather do Buss with India or US. Second the American empire will be around forever because here they give everyone a chance and there is no shifts on foreign policy like in Russia China or India so it is a stable country with stable markets. Third Russia is certanly gaining some ground but will never be able to reach the US because it is American money that funds Russia growths. Do you recall what happend to Russia last month after the war in their stoick markets?? All the investors mainly form the US pulled out their money and the market collapsed. Why becasue in Russia unlike the US the gang attitude of Putin rulkes. In Russia they can sieze your assets and all you are worth only because they want too, not in the US.. Stable and good economy.
So make a long story short US is one of the greatest countries and will be such forever because it is build upon democratic principles and respects private property .. Unlike Russia and China.. But dont worry soon they will get a new war in Russia that will drain all their money and will leave them high and dry

Kosovo can afford 3 mil euros, because we got $1.3billion from the international conference few months ago.

This is peanuts for us to accelarate EVEN FURTHER, recognition and joining the UN and the EU. The IMF and World Bank are done deals,...

Spending millions to try and cement its phony, illeagal state!! The K_Albanians are certainly desperate and it goes to show that UDI has been a sham!!

so many poor children, so many jobless and poeple in need, ...and these have no other idea than to waste a lot of money for a lost cause...

and what´s best, that money is coming from international tax payers.
a shame!

Awesome! Gotta get that recognition number up. And indeed with 4 and a half million dollars there's enough lobbying to be made.

Albanians (and Croatians/Bosnians) spent millions of dollars for lobbyists in 1999 to pay off American politicians and media to get them to bomb Serbia.
http://www.kosovohere.com/2008/03/albanian-bosnian-and-croatian-lobbying.html

I keep getting censured for some reason,probably belgrade's pressure it's working on B92:)

to Serbian camp,
it's smarter to invest on samething that you have or you alredy own vs something you dream like Serbia does,have you asked yourself how much your government it's spending for Kosova? and by the way mr Jovan that's the money comming out of your pocket not the ones that Kosova governement it's spending.

3 million dollars versus UN legitimacy and accountability from Serbia - one side is clearly in the 21st century using legal and diplomatic means. The other is still in the 19th Ottoman century of bribery and bartering.
(Mike, 26 September 2008 18:52)
yes mike,that side your talking about using legal and diplomatic means today nine years ago was trying to get rid of all Albanians in Kosova....please next time spare as with legal and diplomatic means comming from the Serbian side.

peace

"One thing is sure.
The most important states in the worls as USA, 21 form 27 EU, Japon, AUstralia etc has recognise this independence. Where is the problem ? About Romania, Slovakia or Russia ? Kosovo don't need their support. Thay can still shamely support Serbia that is trying by all the ways to destabilise this new nation. It doesent change nothing in reality in Kosovo. All friends of Kosovo are wellcome, and the rest - whio cares.
(MEL, 26 September 2008 12:48)"

who cares you say? Why don't you ask your government in Pristina? They cared enough to spend millions as per this article. They cared enough to send people to the UN all the time. Only the West is important? Not if Kosovo hopes to get pass the Russians and Chinese vetoes in the UNSC in its UN membership application. That's the real situation in this mad globe of ours.

@MEL, sorry but as many others before you who are so desperate in favour of independence and constantly try to tell the readers that the most important countries recognised Kosovo you are wrong. As the German Minister of Finance yesterday clearly stated the US have gone down and their economy cannot be build upon anymore and he warned people not to invest anymore on Wall Street etc. etc. But also you make a mistake because the important countries have NOT recognised your little country. Those are the countries dealing within 3-5 year with the major world economy. China, India, Brasil and Russia. You really make a fundamental mistake in thinking that if the USA does something you are well off. It is 2008 my friend, and the world just went into a different direction. Like it or not but maybe you should focus on some different countries if you want to prosper in the future!

Where does Kosovo get money for lobbying when it is by far the poorest state in Europe? I am sure they have much better things to spend money on.

This is awesome news. I am sure, Serbs will cry like babies and hide themself in fear of 3 mln Euros applied against their interests.

FYI: 3 million Euro = 3 small houses in Silicon Valley. We did not own any (well, we are not that good with property speculation), my colleague and close friend owns one house and one office unit.

So we are almost "there". If you ask me nicely, I might even donate some older clothing to Greater Republic of Mbuku Mbeki, that will help their Chief Shaman recognize Republic of Kosova as EQUAL.

A few points: Kosova has it's own budget, funded by tariffs and taxes. EU /US do give aid but that is in the single digits of the budget. (UN /KFOR salaries are different)

2. America has goone 'bankrupt' in the 70's with the oil crises, Savings & Loans crisis, the internet crash and now the bank crisis. Each time they came back stronger.

Russia on the other hand has defaulted TWICE on debts, US has bailed out Brazil, Russia, Argentina, Mexico...etc. etc. The US debt is high, but they also have a 14 TRILLION economy, equal to all EU combined. Greece for example has a much higher debt %.

The reason the can go in debt is because China, Russia and Arabs beleive in US and see that as the safest investment in the world. Either way, NATO is charged with protecting Kosova, that includes UK, Germany, France, Slovenia and soon Croatia and Albania.

Tip: NEVER bet against America, long term.

Of course they are spending millions promoting their fake and illegal state, because it's not their money!
They have no economy, no tax base, no state income, no functioning institutions, and are run by outsiders from NATO. Now that the American economy is going to hell in handbasket, let's see how much money they will have to fund camp Bondsteel and this illegal and immoral fake state. We are witnessing before our eyes, friends, the decline of the American empire :)).
Cheers!!

"Mr Peter & Jovan
Why are you so worried regarding the money? Is it coming out of your pockets? Kosovo wanted to - and achieved Indepence. Phony state u say? That is fine but I am sure that u are well aware that US has recignized them now. Do you really think that any country that has recognized Kosovo will retract their decison now? Do You? Live & let live in peace and harmony in Ballkans.
(Cazanova, 26 September 2008 14:15)"

Cazanova (btw, you spelt the name wrong), Pristina's UDD was and is phoney and the ICJ will confirm that. Without unanimous support from the EU states and UN security Council, the chances of you being legitimate is next to non existant. Not to mention that Belgrade will never recognise you. Its no secret that Pristina is desperate of Belgrade's as well. Chances of that happening are between zero and zero. Not good odds is it.

Your depending on the US to support you. Well guess what, the US is near bankrupt. Its trillions of dollars in the red (wars in Afghanistan & Iraq) and credit crunch. It wont be long till they have to scale back their military and foreign policy expenditure meaning you guys could well be forced to go back to the negotiating table into meaningful talks with Belgrade. Remember they hold the key, not bankrupt Washington.

Desperate times in Kosovo!

"..so many poor children, so many jobless and poeple in need, ...and these have no other idea than to waste a lot of money for a lost cause... "

Jovan,

We all know how much you care about the poverty in Kosova but just to give you a hint. That Kosova is not that poor as you might wish. Firstly because the strong and powerful emigration abroad created by the leaders of ex-Yugoslavia and Serbia. Most Kosovars have double nationalities and support their families in Kosova.

oh guys and gals, pls don't lv me out of the debate. i do agree that it is sad to have to spend millions on lobbying as opposed to building up jobs, infra structure, education etc. BUT we have no choice because there is a "Non-violent" war being waged against us (kosovar independence) at this very moment! that many of you are supporting, on a daily basis. so we have no choice, and no apologies.

and now, let me make quite certain to get as few recommendations as possible: i personally do not agree nor appreciate these statements that "Kosova is and always will be albanian!" kosova is multi ethnic, has been for a very long time, and will be for a very long time. i know that 90%+ of the population is albanian, and i know that belgrade could care less, since their issue is not the people but the territory. but like EVERY other country, incl serbia (though some here barely acknowledge it)is multi-ethnic, and that is why the ahtissari plan was so impt. in order to try to bring in the serb minority, promise meaningful protection of human rights, and strive for a multi-cultural society.

i do understand how many ethnic albanians, incl some of my frnds, are outraged by serbs (in general) and see their freedom and future in albanian terms. i must disagree with that.

the EU is clearly the path for the future, for Kosova and for serbia, and for the whole of the balkans. but it will not happen by magic. if it happens at all, it will only be when those of the balkans embrace pro-democracy, pro-human rights values, which in any event is the right way to go.

oh, yes, you caught me. i just pretend to be a jew, so i can hear yet even more insults and slurs, about being a "self-admitted" jew, and how i must pray to "allah" which in any event means "god", it does not mean the muslim god, which in any event does not exist because monotheists believe in one god, but why bother with all of that here?

i am not muslim, nor albanian nor serb, nor bosnian, nor will i stop my postings nor stop fighting for democracy and human rights, thank you very much. no matter how much i am belittled by the other side, incl the "moderates." please give me a break.

most of you anti-independence advocates have never even been to kosovo/a, and/or have very skewed or limited ideas about life there, based on all of the anti-albanian propaganda, say from the past 100 years plus. so pls stop passing yourselves off as experts cause that is a joke. yes you have a POV and i've heard it over and over and over. doesn't mean it is based on reality.

as for the multi-cultural society, i have NEVER claimed that it has succeeded and is just dandy in kosovo/a. it isn't. and yes i have been there numerous times, met people of all ethnicities, serbian neighborhoods, areas, whatever. not that i have to prove myself in this forum but it is reality.

on the other hand, where is there a multi-cultural haven? in serbia? give me a break! croatia? bosnia? yr beloved RS, built directly on genocide??

the closest i've seen is sarajevo, even after that war, 4 yr seige, hell on earth, don't get me started. but even there, where i meet many persons of serb or croatian or other ethnicities that are integrated and well engaged -- even there things are less than perfect, as we have just seen by that mini pogrom (yes, pogrom) by "fundamentalist hooligans", or as some of you would prefer, their putting those "provocative homos" in their place... don't you just love it? (not!)

we are building or attempting to build multi-cultural society in kosovo/a. it IS possible. it has been done. it is not impossible. with all of your barbed-wire horror-stories, please give us a break! but it -- multi-cultural society, democratic society, civil society CANNOT be built in such circumstances when your govt in blgd continues, day in and day out, to wage "PEACEfUL" war against the republic of kosova. and keep "its" people (kosovar serbs) in a constant state of panic, flux, divided loyalties, and brewing nationalism.

i have said many times: those people (serbs in kosovo/a) are both pawns and actors. they (typically) decorate their streets with the most extreme symbols of serb nationalism, "more serb than the serbs." this is the direct fallout of the long-time policies of belgrade, which have not changed in essence, which uses serb men, women and children throughout the former YU to keep things unstable and in turmoil. in croatia, it backfired terribly (we are still dealing with the fallout) -- in bosnia, look what a mess has been wrought -- in serbia, nationalist ferver boils over every few months, in violence. and in kosovo/a, there is ongoing tension, that is deliberately stoked.

but this has been said all before.

and now we have to see how successful will be this upcoming "moderate" attempt (in the UNGA) to once again club Kosova and keep them in their place. so sad.

again, i hope and pray -- yes, to "ALLAH", adonai, alohim, god, whatever and however you say it, that the world will see it as the hypocritical farce that it is and soundly defeat it.

thank you.

roberto
frisco/sarajevo

he-he Jovan my friend, you've provoked some heated disputes in here.
If I would be Kosovo government I's be ashamed to admit this amount publicly (perhaps they are ready to pay even double amount or more), because first:
it sounds as if they are desperate
second:
it makes them look like crooks whose only way ahead is to buy people and respect.

Une,#13

I can’t believe that You believe in what you’re writing. If you think that for real – I am speechless.

America is on the brink of bankruptcy – sorry, I put it in mild form – They are already bankrupt – the latest to bankrupt is the biggest US bank – WM – just happened this morning – but they are just trying to buy some time and do some drama speeches from your only MR. Bush – but they are lucky, because they still have some hard-audience.

Even most White House politicians agree and accept that – by not agreeing on emergency meetings last two days and begging each other to sign-prolong the COLLAPSE. They know that it’s no way that America can make that amount of many in their life time(s). They can print it – as they are doing now – but all that has limits – even their EU partners are trying to find way out – run off from US currency.

Une – do you know how many Big-Mac’s is 11 trillion dollars – debt and rising. By being dependent on Arab oil and Chinese goods – they left only with some “healthy” hybrid food, Coke and Big Macks to offer to world to make it up.

And American Way of LI(f)E you are buying and accepting has big price tag – which you’re not seeing – too dark in underground.

It's a waste of money that could be put to better use in the region, and it confirms that Thaci was lying when he boasted of 100 countries ready to recognize.

3 million dollars versus UN legitimacy and accountability from Serbia - one side is clearly in the 21st century using legal and diplomatic means. The other is still in the 19th Ottoman century of bribery and bartering.

Tip: NEVER bet against America, long term.
(Dashnori i Ceces, 26 September 2008 20:30)

Yep, Dashnori. But I have to say.... Mongolo/Tatars, Turks, Napoleon, hitler (small letters!) all they did bet long-term against a certain country. Their bets were not really successful. According the famous prophecy: "there are three Romes and the fourth won't be". Too bad, neither Napoleon nor hitler could read "Москва - третий Рим, а четвертому не бывать"

so they made a costly math mistake.

For good or bad, the "third Rome" is sometimes up, sometimes down - but it is out there for the rest of the history. I am not a big fan of much of putin's politics, so don't blame the messenger for the "bad"(?) news.

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KOSOVA WAS, IS AND WILL BE ALBANIAN.
(ben, 26 September 2008 15:29)

That will impress the Big Shaman of Mbuku Mbeki, not us. And so much about the "multi-ethnic" fairy tales of Ahtisaari. K-Albanian politics are for Greater Albania, they will remove the "multi-ethnic" mask as soon as they can. Thanks for telling the truth about what to expect, but we already know it.

"Kosovo can afford 3 mil euros, because we got $1.3billion from the international conference few months ago."

That money was only pledged and not atually given. And I think recent events means the amount actually received will be somewhat less than $1,300,000,000.

Just a couple of weeks ago I was watching a TV program where a finance expert from America was telling us in Australia not to invest there.
They are admitting their collapse openly and even warning people not to invest.
Dark days have come to America.
How much longer can they be in a position to "democraticaly persuade" the world to recognize Kosovo?

America's only way out of this is to ensure new wars around the globe and sell more arms.

All the while India, China and Russia are building up legitimately. So tell me K-Albanians, who is going to follow America regardless how much money you spend advertising? I'm sure it will only be seen as a tourist commercial and nothing more.

Are you going to show them all those burned churches and monasteries? Are you going to show them your Serbian "citizens" behind barbed wire?
Are you going to show them how NATO can provide armed escort to the local pub or a place of burned out worship?

3M of anything is not going to buy much. I'm sure a Serbian business man can spend as much to show all those lovely sites I just mentioned.

to Ajsel: even if you won´t believe me - I did care for all peoples of the former Yugoslavia, and of course also for the K-albanians who, there is no doubt about that, had a hard time in the Milosevic-era.
but, Milosevic is gone, and now there is no reason to pretend false-genocide-accusations or pseudo-historic illusions about ancient illyrians...

now, I think that you will have to accept international law, and sooner or later you will have to, I do not doubt in that.

but once again, I did care for you, if you wanna know it, but my attitude changed a bit, when I saw what you are doing to the innocent population be it Serbs or Albanians alike, and especially what you are doing to the rich serbian cultural heritage in our southern province.

that is a shame, a shame for the K-Albanians!

I work for my living, and this here is simply edutainment for me. those who read my lines and are not albanian-radicals will learn about the truth of your socalled "illyrian descent", your "natural Albania", your corrupt criminal-leaders who are in fact your REAL enemies, and not the Serbs.

fortunately I know some Albanians personally, who share my view, a few days ago I mentioned one, but I won´t say his name again, since he said it´s better not to provoke some limited minds to research where he lives and who he is.. so I will respect that, but even that presents a shame for YOU, given that an Albanian fears Albanians... and that says it all, I guess.

to Agim:

as said above, I have some albanian friends too, but if I adress the "independence"-supporters here as friends, it is more meant ironically.

I am certainly not a friend of individuals who are trying to legitimate their territorial aspirations with illusionary racially-ethnical inventions.

and since you asked, I do not care how much money you waste, since it is YOU who are wasting it - so you are responsible for your own naivety, but I think it is a shame that you have the opportunity to waste money that you haven´t even worked for! do you see the difference, my friend?

there´s a huge difference, and I hope that NOW you know what I meant.

last but not least to Veki, the serbian guy:

it´s not my goal to provoke here, that´s the Albanians´ addiction here it seems. what I said was menat very honest and seriously. there are a lot of Albanians in poverty, and unfortunately, our smart friends here do not seem to care about the fact that thugs like Thaci or Haradinaj are getting rich at the expense of their own poeple...

that is interesting, though. isn´t it?

Nothing like the Friday rant. Thank Crunchie for that.



If you are referring to Operation Horshoe, the alledged Yugoslav state poicy of expelling ethnic Albanians from Serbia, well that was later shown to be a fabrication. The head of German intelligence later admitted it. WMD in Iraq anybody????

Now if there was a state policy of ethnic cleansing then please tell me why there are 100,000+ ethnic Albanians living in Belgrade. Why werent they ethnically cleansed too? Did you know that during the war, the Albanian population of Belgrade doubled. Fact.

I watched the documentary 'Stolen Kosovo' the other night and in it they interviewed a number of K-Albanians who were forced out of their homes by the KLA. In 1998 hundreds of loyal Yugoslav Albanians were murdered by the KLA because they were lorry drivers, postman, garbage collectors, civil servants, policemen, politicians etc. One elderly Albanian was tortured because he went for coffee to the home of his Serb neighbours whom he knew all his life. Your propaganda simply doesnt wash anymore. Arti, there will only be peace if you decide to live peacefully & coexist with your Serb, Roma, Jewish, Gorani, Bosniak and other non-Albanian neighbours again. Just like they do in Belgrade, Novi Sad & Nis.



Ah Roberto, the mask slips. Always knew you were Albanian and not a Jew as you decry here on a regular basis.



Roberto, if your lookin for cheap political point scoring, then my friend you've come to the wrong place. You see, Kosmet belongs to all people who live there, not just Albanians but you have to understand that the land you call 'Kosova' has a special place in the heart of all Serbs because its their spiritual heart land. Its where it all began for them. Kosovo i Methojia the very place defines their culture, language, religon, everything Serbdom. You cannot buy that. Every nation has its heartbeat. For the Armenians its Mount Ararat, Greeks its Olympus, Muslims its Mecca, Native Peruvian Incas its Cuzco, Tibetans is Lhasa, Christians its the Holy Land. For Serbs its not any different. Its where they bled.

In order for peace and mutual understanding Roberto, you've got to understand the other side (Serb). There are 2 sides to every story. If you want to know why Tadic and Jeremic on behalf of the Serbian people are fighting tooth for Kosovo under huge pressure from larger forces its because of the reasons above.

Now before anybody jumps down my throat, I'm not a Serb, not a Serb nationalist in any stretch of the imagination. I'm Irish. I havent even got a drop of Serb blood inside me. I hold no attachment to the place (except to the slivovitz). But I do know the differnce between right and wrong and what is going on right now is wrong. However I do believe in justice finally prevailing and the righteousness winning out in the end.

Finally Roberto, 'Kosova' is far from multi-ethnic. ust ask any non-Albanian liing there and they will tell you how they live in constant fear in ghettos surrounded by barbed war and NATO troops and how they hop in an armoured car to go shopping, church on Sundays, visit relatives, pub etc.

If thats your idea of living in harmony, God help us all.

roberto, my dear albanian friend...


would it be of interest for you to learn, that calling San Francisco "Frisco" is more than unpopular among the poeple who REALLY live in that truly beautiful city?

and that is not the only thing that makes your comments so implausible.

the remaining Serbs are decorating their streets with serbian flags and state-symbols, the symbols of their state, they live in... if that is a sign of some "extreme serbian nationalism" then, my dear you simply do not get it.
it is Serbia they live in, and there is nothing bad about loving their state.

you should rather care about your flawed view of what is moral and justice, ...instead of accusing others to be nationalists.

pray to god, in whatever name you chose... that doesn´t matter, ..but what does matter is that Kosovo is Serbia, and you still haven´t realized that there is no "kosova"...it is an illusion.

Belgrade should reconsider its offer in light of the current situation in the US.

Instead of 'more than autonomy but less than independence' it should be 'direct accountability to Belgrade'.

Just remember this quote my K-ALbanian "allies".

We have no friends, America only has interests.

John

You mean the 21st century where the united nations are now totaly being disrispected, territorial integrity is completly irelative and non important, the 21 century where we are threatening with wars, talking about launching missiles at our neighbours and ICBMs across the world, economic crisis, I wouldent be surprised if we have another great depression and then the third world war brakes out.

It seems that Serbia is the one and only guardian of international rights and the only true demoracy in the world.

@reaction 13, Une: If you can not even write correctly my name (it is with an S and not a C, never saw a name Franc but that beside) shows you are not serious. Will not even react on your non-economical speech in your comment. No words.