Tadić rejects changes to ICJ resolution

Obviously Ban is siding with the WEST and thus disqualify him to retain his post as UN Chief. Russia and China should kick him out.

Serbia should not give up kosovo at any price.

This is extremely interesting. We would like the opinion of the court but at the same time should it not be to our liking we will never agree to it. Why bother with the opinion of the court if you’re never going to recognize Kosovo. Would someone be so kind and explain the rationale of asking the opinion of the court and at the same time saying should you not agree with our stand we never recognize Kosovo anyhow. Please be so kind and explain why would the court waste the time and why should the GA waste its time on this issue when two sides wont abide by its decisions anyway.

If the Serb officials said that Serbia would abide by the courts decision no one would have a problem bringing the issue to the court but when you’re rejecting the decision of the court before it is even issued then why bother going through the trouble.

Mark this down for future reference. Ban will only serve one term.

Jeff, Serbia is not asking the court to make a new law, it is asking the court to confirm Serbia's position based on an existing law.

The header made me curious, but it was not clear, what changes were meant. I promote the plea for the ICJ, but I am not very optimistic for Serbia. It would have been more credible, if there was one sentence of repentance about the exceeding use of force in Kosovo in 1998/99.

---"It would be completely unacceptable for us if certain countries in the region were to recognize an independent Kosovo at this time or in the future, because this is an illegal state structure,"

He did scare FYROM for a few days. Their representative told Albs that he was going to do it until he got a "wait" phone call.

What are you going to do with the 20 EU countries that have said YES Tadic? Since you'll never recognize it, skip the ICJ and EU. You will only make the Albanians spend more on an army and force NATO to accepts us sooner as a special case.

If you think that Ban will be removed over Serbia /Kosovo you are wrong... unless you give China the Serbian Telecom for free.

Tadic said: “He also said he had an "excellent" meeting with Ban, and that he told the Secretary General that Serbia will never recognize Kosovo's independence.”

My question in some of my previous comments was if Serbia is ready to recognize Kosovo as an independent country if ICJ gives a supporting opinion towards independence?
Tadic has expressed few days ago that they are ready to accept and to comply with whatever outcome may come from the ICJ. This story tells the opposite!

Peter Sydney,
You also stated the same regarding Tadic in an earlier post.
So, my following question is: why UN GA wasting their time to approve such a move if Serbia anyway will not recognize Kosova independence. That could be one of the reasons to reject the resolution, even thought, I repeat, I am convinced that if this resolution reaches ICJ the outcome will be in favour of Kosova.

Gary T. wrote: "Obviously Ban is siding with the WEST and thus disqualify him to retain his post as UN Chief."

Patrik wrote: "Mark this down for future reference. Ban will only serve one term."

Someone please help me understand what those 2 comments has to do with the article. Are we reading the same article??

predictor:
> Peter Sydney,
> You also stated the same regarding Tadic in an earlier post.
> So, my following question is: why UN GA wasting their time to approve such a move if Serbia anyway will not recognize Kosova independence.

So I did - yesterday as I recall. Here's what I said then:

> pss:
> you said:
>> If you read the B92 article on the 23rd you will see it reported that one of the messages Tadic wanted to get across to the GA was that Serbia will never accept the UDI of Kosovo.

> And if you actually read the article again, you will find that Tadic actually said:

>> that one of his main messages for the General Assembly would be that Serbia would never recognize Kosovo’s illegally declared independence.

> Note the words 'illegally declared'.

> In it's attempt to bring this matter before the ICJ, Serbia has to, as a matter of procedure, agree to accept the court's verdict should the case reach the ICJ.

> And in the unlikely event (my personal opinion) that the ICJ rules against Serbia, then 'pseudo-state's Unilateral Declaration of Independence (UDI) becomes legal under international law.

> So Serbia is obliged to accept it.

> It is not however obliged to accept an 'illegal' declaration of independence.

> And Tadic is perfectly correct when he says this as he did a couple of days ago.


Now I presume you've based your question to me on the above article which says:
> ... Serbia will never recognize Kosovo's independence.

Which on the surface, makes it fair enough for you to ask your question.

But I had a feeling that Tadic wouldn't make such a statement right before the debate in the GA so went looking for the source of this article - here it is:

http://www.mfa.gov.yu/Pressframe1.htm

And didn't find any such unqualified statement by Tadic.

B92 quoted 'beta' who it seems has 'cropped' the original story - in this case leaving out the qualifier 'illegal'.

Lazy journalism.

And this makes your question inaccurate unless it is rephrased into something like this:
> why UN GA wasting their time to approve such a move if Serbia anyway will not recognize Kosovo's ILLEGAL independence.

To which the answer is that the UN GA is not wasting it's time as the whole point of the initiative is to allow the ICJ to establish whether or not the K-albanian UDI is legal or illegal.


You said:
> That could be one of the reasons to reject the resolution, ...
Wishful thinking.

> ... even thought, I repeat, I am convinced that if this resolution reaches ICJ the outcome will be in favour of Kosova.

Then you have nothing to worry about, not so?

"Gary T. wrote: "Obviously Ban is siding with the WEST and thus disqualify him to retain his post as UN Chief."

Patrik wrote: "Mark this down for future reference. Ban will only serve one term."

Someone please help me understand what those 2 comments has to do with the article. Are we reading the same article??"

My comment was only is response to the first poster who said Russia and China should kick him out.

Ban will only serve one term, but it will have little to do with the ICJ initiative. He has other issues.

" He also said he had an "excellent" meeting with Ban, and that he told the Secretary General that Serbia will never recognize Kosovo's independence."

okay, please, is someone putting us on or what? i am the "extremist" for coming out solidly against this latest proposal from belgrade, on the grounds (among many others)that it is deceitful and hypocritical (duh). now we are reading (what a surprise) from tadic's own lips, that serbia will NEVER recognize Kosovo/a's independence. meaning no matter how the icj rules (assuming it would go there.) can you imagine?

i mean, why am i bothering with all of my little posts and editorials, when this govt puts it all right out there?! isn't something a little bizarre, here?

please, someone help me to figure this one out. some moderate poster, please...

no general assembly in their right mind would give this proposal its okay.

thank you.

roberto
frisco/ sarajevo
robertoruss@yahoo.com

He also said he had an "excellent" meeting with Ban, and that he told the Secretary General that Serbia will never recognize Kosovo's independence.

If Serbia will never recognize Kosovo’s independence then why they bother with ICJ to express it view about legality of Kosovo’s independence?
Serbia must express the willing to honor the outcome of ICJ verdict in order for UN GA to vote pro this resolution.
So, with other words, Serbia is saying that if ICJ verdict is pro Serbia then they will not recognize Kosovo, and if ICJ verdict is against Serbia then Serbia will ignore it because it was just advisory verdict. Do you think that people are stupid?!!!

---"It would be completely unacceptable for us if certain countries in the region were to recognize an independent Kosovo at this time or in the future, because this is an illegal state structure,"

He did scare FYROM for a few days. Their representative told Albs that he was going to do it until he got a "wait" phone call.

What are you going to do with the 20 EU countries that have said YES Tadic? Since you'll never recognize it, skip the ICJ and EU. You will only make the Albanians spend more on an army and force NATO to accepts us sooner as a special case.

If you think that Ban will be removed over Serbia /Kosovo you are wrong... unless you give China the Serbian Telecom for free.

Obviously Ban is siding with the WEST and thus disqualify him to retain his post as UN Chief. Russia and China should kick him out.

Serbia should not give up kosovo at any price.

The header made me curious, but it was not clear, what changes were meant. I promote the plea for the ICJ, but I am not very optimistic for Serbia. It would have been more credible, if there was one sentence of repentance about the exceeding use of force in Kosovo in 1998/99.

Jeff, Serbia is not asking the court to make a new law, it is asking the court to confirm Serbia's position based on an existing law.

This is extremely interesting. We would like the opinion of the court but at the same time should it not be to our liking we will never agree to it. Why bother with the opinion of the court if you’re never going to recognize Kosovo. Would someone be so kind and explain the rationale of asking the opinion of the court and at the same time saying should you not agree with our stand we never recognize Kosovo anyhow. Please be so kind and explain why would the court waste the time and why should the GA waste its time on this issue when two sides wont abide by its decisions anyway.

If the Serb officials said that Serbia would abide by the courts decision no one would have a problem bringing the issue to the court but when you’re rejecting the decision of the court before it is even issued then why bother going through the trouble.

Gary T. wrote: "Obviously Ban is siding with the WEST and thus disqualify him to retain his post as UN Chief."

Patrik wrote: "Mark this down for future reference. Ban will only serve one term."

Someone please help me understand what those 2 comments has to do with the article. Are we reading the same article??

Tadic said: “He also said he had an "excellent" meeting with Ban, and that he told the Secretary General that Serbia will never recognize Kosovo's independence.”

My question in some of my previous comments was if Serbia is ready to recognize Kosovo as an independent country if ICJ gives a supporting opinion towards independence?
Tadic has expressed few days ago that they are ready to accept and to comply with whatever outcome may come from the ICJ. This story tells the opposite!

Peter Sydney,
You also stated the same regarding Tadic in an earlier post.
So, my following question is: why UN GA wasting their time to approve such a move if Serbia anyway will not recognize Kosova independence. That could be one of the reasons to reject the resolution, even thought, I repeat, I am convinced that if this resolution reaches ICJ the outcome will be in favour of Kosova.

Mark this down for future reference. Ban will only serve one term.

"Gary T. wrote: "Obviously Ban is siding with the WEST and thus disqualify him to retain his post as UN Chief."

Patrik wrote: "Mark this down for future reference. Ban will only serve one term."

Someone please help me understand what those 2 comments has to do with the article. Are we reading the same article??"

My comment was only is response to the first poster who said Russia and China should kick him out.

Ban will only serve one term, but it will have little to do with the ICJ initiative. He has other issues.

He also said he had an "excellent" meeting with Ban, and that he told the Secretary General that Serbia will never recognize Kosovo's independence.

If Serbia will never recognize Kosovo’s independence then why they bother with ICJ to express it view about legality of Kosovo’s independence?
Serbia must express the willing to honor the outcome of ICJ verdict in order for UN GA to vote pro this resolution.
So, with other words, Serbia is saying that if ICJ verdict is pro Serbia then they will not recognize Kosovo, and if ICJ verdict is against Serbia then Serbia will ignore it because it was just advisory verdict. Do you think that people are stupid?!!!

predictor:
> Peter Sydney,
> You also stated the same regarding Tadic in an earlier post.
> So, my following question is: why UN GA wasting their time to approve such a move if Serbia anyway will not recognize Kosova independence.

So I did - yesterday as I recall. Here's what I said then:

> pss:
> you said:
>> If you read the B92 article on the 23rd you will see it reported that one of the messages Tadic wanted to get across to the GA was that Serbia will never accept the UDI of Kosovo.

> And if you actually read the article again, you will find that Tadic actually said:

>> that one of his main messages for the General Assembly would be that Serbia would never recognize Kosovo’s illegally declared independence.

> Note the words 'illegally declared'.

> In it's attempt to bring this matter before the ICJ, Serbia has to, as a matter of procedure, agree to accept the court's verdict should the case reach the ICJ.

> And in the unlikely event (my personal opinion) that the ICJ rules against Serbia, then 'pseudo-state's Unilateral Declaration of Independence (UDI) becomes legal under international law.

> So Serbia is obliged to accept it.

> It is not however obliged to accept an 'illegal' declaration of independence.

> And Tadic is perfectly correct when he says this as he did a couple of days ago.


Now I presume you've based your question to me on the above article which says:
> ... Serbia will never recognize Kosovo's independence.

Which on the surface, makes it fair enough for you to ask your question.

But I had a feeling that Tadic wouldn't make such a statement right before the debate in the GA so went looking for the source of this article - here it is:

http://www.mfa.gov.yu/Pressframe1.htm

And didn't find any such unqualified statement by Tadic.

B92 quoted 'beta' who it seems has 'cropped' the original story - in this case leaving out the qualifier 'illegal'.

Lazy journalism.

And this makes your question inaccurate unless it is rephrased into something like this:
> why UN GA wasting their time to approve such a move if Serbia anyway will not recognize Kosovo's ILLEGAL independence.

To which the answer is that the UN GA is not wasting it's time as the whole point of the initiative is to allow the ICJ to establish whether or not the K-albanian UDI is legal or illegal.


You said:
> That could be one of the reasons to reject the resolution, ...
Wishful thinking.

> ... even thought, I repeat, I am convinced that if this resolution reaches ICJ the outcome will be in favour of Kosova.

Then you have nothing to worry about, not so?

" He also said he had an "excellent" meeting with Ban, and that he told the Secretary General that Serbia will never recognize Kosovo's independence."

okay, please, is someone putting us on or what? i am the "extremist" for coming out solidly against this latest proposal from belgrade, on the grounds (among many others)that it is deceitful and hypocritical (duh). now we are reading (what a surprise) from tadic's own lips, that serbia will NEVER recognize Kosovo/a's independence. meaning no matter how the icj rules (assuming it would go there.) can you imagine?

i mean, why am i bothering with all of my little posts and editorials, when this govt puts it all right out there?! isn't something a little bizarre, here?

please, someone help me to figure this one out. some moderate poster, please...

no general assembly in their right mind would give this proposal its okay.

thank you.

roberto
frisco/ sarajevo
robertoruss@yahoo.com