"UN GA likely to adopt Serbian plan"

“they’re wrong in Belgrade if they think that that will solve the Kosovo problem, it will just be frozen.”

Well, that is the best we can do with the Government we have at the moment.
When the time comes (America sinking and Russia rising) everything can be defrosted. And it will, one way or the other.
There is a Chinese saying which says: -If you wait patiently at the bank of the river, you'll see the corpses of your triumphant enemies floating by.-
(I think we've just seen the carcass of the Wall Street going downstream)

This is a great move by Serbia. It became painfully obvious that EVERYONE IS AWARE that Kosovo independence is ILLEGAL. Even the USA admitted this fact by viciously oposing ICJ initiative.

Mr.Fatmir Sejdiu dont be so OVER CONFIDENT about it. on the contrary 3/4 of UN members will support Serbia's initiative coz Serbia choose a peaceful & Legal process to resolved the province's status.

George Bush will not protect you forever!!

And now the Luxembourg FM has as much as indicated that his country will be supporting Serbia's bid at the GA, despite recognising the UDI.

And also is of the opinion that it will be 'comfortably passed' while also saying that the EU needs to adopt a 'common position'. Could he be indicating that brussels is also thinking about voting for the initiative, despite all the opposition?

Perhaps in a bid to 'save face' after a preliminary 'counting of intentions' at the GA which might very well have indicated that Serbia's motion will probably succeed?

Would certainly be in line with Gowen's statements a couple of days ago.

As for Sejdiu's opinion, think he can be safely ignored.

Interesting Indeed.


medioni:
No idea, but wouldn't go around comparing Israel to 'pseudo-state'...

Israel is a real country, has a real army, issues real passports, has a seat at the UN, etc.

@roberto

repuplic of kosova? LOL!!!
let the so called albanian leaders/american puppets in the southern serbian province kosovo and metohija start legal proceedings against belgrade for genocide and human rights violations of the 90s.
then belgrade can show it was the UCK and their leaders who where responsible for that.
not only against serbs and gypsies but also against their own albanian people.
really sick if you are killing your own people for getting western support by blaiming the serbs.

first: it must be something very stressing for the "independence"-supporters, if they are putting so much effort into lobbying against this serbian move.

on the other side, I´d tell this man that caring for the re-integration of occupied serbian territory is not stressing at all, it is a pleasure.

don´t you make that mistake, to believe that the serbian society is stressed with that...

given that our albanian friends here are so constantly and so desperately trying o belittle everything that comes from Belgrade as well as their desperate threats with "massive war with ALL Albanians" ...we can be sure of the fact that things are developing in the right direction.

can any buddy tell me how many times israel have been in ICJ i'just searchet and i'see well over 19 times since 1967 so dint make any deference in the modern world ha well done kosovo u are on indepedent state

" Asselborn said that a country could not be denied the right to seek the opinion of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) “if we’re being principled”."

OK, Let us speak about "principles." throughout the last decade, belgrade and her proxies broke every single "principle" of international law (including holding UN soldiers as hostages!!)and much, much worse. so much for priciples. now that NATO troops are stationed "in the Neighborhood" (as sonia biserko likes to call it) the tactics have shifted to legal means -- at least for what is visible to us. but the goal remains exactly the same -- to retAin as much of former yugoslavian territory under belgrade's rule as can be grabbed.

i mean it is so obvious, whenever things look worst for kosovar "reintegration," all of the voices start screaming about "RS" secceeding" -- as in, if we can't have kosovo/a, then we'll take RS. it is the same old story, a broken record.

now, as far as respect for the world court rulings -- does anyone remember their last balkans ruling?? stating that serbia was guilty of "not preventing genocide at srebrenica." okay, from our POV it was an absolute mockery that made light of the truth (full responsibility for genocide) -- nevertheless, how did belgrade react? by celebrating the "innocent" verdict!! can you imagine, they are found guilty of not preventing genocide, and how do they deal with all of the victims and their families? by celebrating their innocence? is it so sick or what? (a rhetorical question.)

so now we are back to principles. serbia cynically thinks they can slow down the recognition process, muddy the waters, by taking it in this "peaceful" direction. it has nothing to do with principles, except those of Machievelli, which are to pull any nasty, dirty trick to (try to) get their way...

if there are any principles left at the UN, i have some suggestions:

1--refuse serbia this latest attempt to keep Kosovo/a dominated and oppressed

2--the republic of Kosovo/a needs to propose its own ICJ appeal (whether a member of the uN or not, thank you so much "democratic" russia)
which would also have to be heard by the court "on principle"

3-- the republic of Kosova needs to start legal proceedings against belgrade for genocide and human rights violations of the 90s (i can list some in another posting.) We have recently discussed this w/ mrs. kelmendi, the justice minister of the republic of kosova, who works closely with natasa kandic and other human rights groups inside serbia. they need to move forward with these lawsuits, pronto.

now these are some principles worth discussing!

thank you.

roberto
san francisco/sarajevo
robertoruss@yahoo.com

roberto with all respect it is you who is beginning to sound like an extremist.

You haven't given a single good reason why the ICJ should not give a judgement on the issue and frankly I'm very surprised that you don't support the idea that a neutral party gives advice on the independence of Kosovo.

Stop looking at it as 'our' problem. This is a serious problem from the perspective of international law and the formation of states. The US or Russia cannot decide alone which countries should be independent or not and then strong arm the rest of the international community into doing so. That is the law of the jungle on a much larger scale than regional Serb domination, as you might see it, in the Balkans.

No, I can see nothing bad coming about concerning an ICJ decision, only good.

I think the equivalent of what you are saying is similar to Serbs when they talk about suing individual countries for recognition of Kosovo. It is highly unlikely to work and will make relations between Serbs and Albanians worse.

And the historical argument I also have little time for, what matters is people today who should be able to live their lives normally and have a future. At the moment Kosovo is not providing its people a proper future. An ICJ verdict can only help in this regard.

" Asselborn said that a country could not be denied the right to seek the opinion of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) “if we’re being principled”."

OK, Let us speak about "principles." throughout the last decade, belgrade and her proxies broke every single "principle" of international law (including holding UN soldiers as hostages!!)and much, much worse. so much for priciples. now that NATO troops are stationed "in the Neighborhood" (as sonia biserko likes to call it) the tactics have shifted to legal means -- at least for what is visible to us. but the goal remains exactly the same -- to retAin as much of former yugoslavian territory under belgrade's rule as can be grabbed.

i mean it is so obvious, whenever things look worst for kosovar "reintegration," all of the voices start screaming about "RS" secceeding" -- as in, if we can't have kosovo/a, then we'll take RS. it is the same old story, a broken record.

now, as far as respect for the world court rulings -- does anyone remember their last balkans ruling?? stating that serbia was guilty of "not preventing genocide at srebrenica." okay, from our POV it was an absolute mockery that made light of the truth (full responsibility for genocide) -- nevertheless, how did belgrade react? by celebrating the "innocent" verdict!! can you imagine, they are found guilty of not preventing genocide, and how do they deal with all of the victims and their families? by celebrating their innocence? is it so sick or what? (a rhetorical question.)

so now we are back to principles. serbia cynically thinks they can slow down the recognition process, muddy the waters, by taking it in this "peaceful" direction. it has nothing to do with principles, except those of Machievelli, which are to pull any nasty, dirty trick to (try to) get their way...

if there are any principles left at the UN, i have some suggestions:

1--refuse serbia this latest attempt to keep Kosovo/a dominated and oppressed

2--the republic of Kosovo/a needs to propose its own ICJ appeal (whether a member of the uN or not, thank you so much "democratic" russia)
which would also have to be heard by the court "on principle"

3-- the republic of Kosova needs to start legal proceedings against belgrade for genocide and human rights violations of the 90s (i can list some in another posting.) We have recently discussed this w/ mrs. kelmendi, the justice minister of the republic of kosova, who works closely with natasa kandic and other human rights groups inside serbia. they need to move forward with these lawsuits, pronto.

now these are some principles worth discussing!

thank you.

roberto
san francisco/sarajevo
robertoruss@yahoo.com

can any buddy tell me how many times israel have been in ICJ i'just searchet and i'see well over 19 times since 1967 so dint make any deference in the modern world ha well done kosovo u are on indepedent state

Mr.Fatmir Sejdiu dont be so OVER CONFIDENT about it. on the contrary 3/4 of UN members will support Serbia's initiative coz Serbia choose a peaceful & Legal process to resolved the province's status.

George Bush will not protect you forever!!

“they’re wrong in Belgrade if they think that that will solve the Kosovo problem, it will just be frozen.”

Well, that is the best we can do with the Government we have at the moment.
When the time comes (America sinking and Russia rising) everything can be defrosted. And it will, one way or the other.
There is a Chinese saying which says: -If you wait patiently at the bank of the river, you'll see the corpses of your triumphant enemies floating by.-
(I think we've just seen the carcass of the Wall Street going downstream)

And now the Luxembourg FM has as much as indicated that his country will be supporting Serbia's bid at the GA, despite recognising the UDI.

And also is of the opinion that it will be 'comfortably passed' while also saying that the EU needs to adopt a 'common position'. Could he be indicating that brussels is also thinking about voting for the initiative, despite all the opposition?

Perhaps in a bid to 'save face' after a preliminary 'counting of intentions' at the GA which might very well have indicated that Serbia's motion will probably succeed?

Would certainly be in line with Gowen's statements a couple of days ago.

As for Sejdiu's opinion, think he can be safely ignored.

Interesting Indeed.


medioni:
No idea, but wouldn't go around comparing Israel to 'pseudo-state'...

Israel is a real country, has a real army, issues real passports, has a seat at the UN, etc.

This is a great move by Serbia. It became painfully obvious that EVERYONE IS AWARE that Kosovo independence is ILLEGAL. Even the USA admitted this fact by viciously oposing ICJ initiative.

first: it must be something very stressing for the "independence"-supporters, if they are putting so much effort into lobbying against this serbian move.

on the other side, I´d tell this man that caring for the re-integration of occupied serbian territory is not stressing at all, it is a pleasure.

don´t you make that mistake, to believe that the serbian society is stressed with that...

given that our albanian friends here are so constantly and so desperately trying o belittle everything that comes from Belgrade as well as their desperate threats with "massive war with ALL Albanians" ...we can be sure of the fact that things are developing in the right direction.

@roberto

repuplic of kosova? LOL!!!
let the so called albanian leaders/american puppets in the southern serbian province kosovo and metohija start legal proceedings against belgrade for genocide and human rights violations of the 90s.
then belgrade can show it was the UCK and their leaders who where responsible for that.
not only against serbs and gypsies but also against their own albanian people.
really sick if you are killing your own people for getting western support by blaiming the serbs.

roberto with all respect it is you who is beginning to sound like an extremist.

You haven't given a single good reason why the ICJ should not give a judgement on the issue and frankly I'm very surprised that you don't support the idea that a neutral party gives advice on the independence of Kosovo.

Stop looking at it as 'our' problem. This is a serious problem from the perspective of international law and the formation of states. The US or Russia cannot decide alone which countries should be independent or not and then strong arm the rest of the international community into doing so. That is the law of the jungle on a much larger scale than regional Serb domination, as you might see it, in the Balkans.

No, I can see nothing bad coming about concerning an ICJ decision, only good.

I think the equivalent of what you are saying is similar to Serbs when they talk about suing individual countries for recognition of Kosovo. It is highly unlikely to work and will make relations between Serbs and Albanians worse.

And the historical argument I also have little time for, what matters is people today who should be able to live their lives normally and have a future. At the moment Kosovo is not providing its people a proper future. An ICJ verdict can only help in this regard.