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Friday, 19.09.2008.

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Ljajić: Initiative’s chances improving

Rasim Ljajić says that the members of the OIC and the Arab League will not vote against Serbia’s ICJ initiative.

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peter, sydney

pre 15 godina

dan-ch:
> ----> didn't Costa Rica say they would support Serbia?
> yes costa rica is known as a big serbian supporter in recognizing kosovo 1 day after > declaration of independence
> ---> Aren't they one of your '47'?
> yes
> ---> And if Costa Rica would, why not some of the others?
> none of them will support your ICJ remember me words

'Remember me words'? Try eating them.

http://www.innercitypress.com/icj1serbia090508.html

Why would Costa Rica do so given that they recognised 'pseudo-state'? I suspect they didn't like having their 'arm twisted' by the 'good ole US'.

I also suspect there will be other states in that '47' that feel likewise.

As for your list of 20 islamic countries, I count 19.

And what source can you provide that these will not support ICJ? Unfortunately, going by your track record, your 'word' doesn't quite cut it.

I said:
> That's the 1st 5 of your 27 'NO's. Could be No. Could also be Yes.
you said:
> you are in all of the 5 wrong

Let's have another look shall we.

Montenegro:
Djukanovic in an attempt to mollify his electorate is seemingly predicting recognition on the outcome of the GA vote & if necessary, on the outcome before the ICJ should the GA pass Serbia's bid.

That by itself is enough to polarise just about all of the serbs & a majority of the montenegrins against him should Serbia's bid before the GA fail. If he goes further & instructs his ambassador not to vote for the proposal, he can say 'goodbye' to government come the next election.

Macedonia:
Has a significant militant albanian minority which may very well succeed in forcing recognition. But by voting for Serbia's proposal, not only will Gruevski mollify Serbia's anger, he will also be advancing his own country's interests - no doubt secretly hoping that Serbia succeeds before the ICJ & thereby strengthen's international law against seccessionists, which will in turn make his country less vulnerable to a break-up - despite being forced to recognise.

Bosnia:
May very well abstain, but then faces the prospect of RS seceding in retaliation should Serbia's bid before the GA fail.

You in turn state that Bosnia has 'made it clear that they will not support your ICJ'. What is your source?

New Zealand:
Here you're really grasping at straws. New Zealand, unlike Australia, has stated that in will not recognise. In addition, they are not dependent on the US for defence & large enough not to be bullied. And they also have their own problems with the maoris.

You said:
> new zealand never voted against US and great britain in the history of United Nations

And once again your source is?

In reality New Zealand & the US have been at loggerheads many times - the most serious being the suspension of their participation in the ANZUS alliance back in 86.

Ukraine:
you said:
> ukraine has a pro-western gouvernment and they will never vote against US and europe they want to be part of nato

Then why haven't they recognised your 'puppet-state'? With the Crimea mostly etnic russians & the recent fracas in Georgia, they are now less likely, not more likely, to recognise Kosovo & it is overwhelmingly in their interests to see Serbia's bid succeed.

I said before:
> That's the 1st 5 of your 27 'NO's. Could be No. Could also be Yes.

And I am in fact not wrong in saying this.

Was trying to be reasonable before, but unfortunately their was nothing reasonable in your reply.

Which makes it obvious that attempting to even try to do so, is pointless.

DINGDONG

pre 15 godina

Dan

Let me put this into perspective. The ICJ initiative will be accepted. Now, once its passed to the ICJ, no more US interference :) The judges are listed for your benefit. Pay particular attention to the countries they come from :)

Raymond Ranjeva(Madagascar)
Shi Jiuyong (China)
Abdul G. Koroma (Sierra Leone)
Gonzalo Parra-Aranguren (Venezuela)
Thomas Buergenthal (USA)
Hisashi Owada (Japan)
Bruno Simma (Germany)
Peter Tomka (Slovakia)
Ronny Abraham (France)
Kenneth Keith (New Zealand)
Bernardo Sepúlveda-Amor (Mexico)
Mohamed Bennouna (Morocco)
Leonid Skotnikov (Russia)

Only 5 out of 13 are from countries that have recognised Kosovo. Obviously, this shouldn't have any impact on the final verdict. However, at least there is a counter weight to any possible pressure. I think it's time for you to start filling out an application for a Serbian passport :)

dan-ch

pre 15 godina

---> Well then, since you've infallible. you must be right...

yes im sure im right in 99% of the states that i have listed


----> didn't Costa Rica say they would support Serbia?

yes costa rica is known as a big serbian supporter in recognizing kosovo 1 day after declaration of independence

---> Aren't they one of your '47'?

yes


---> And if Costa Rica would, why not some of the others?

none of them will support your ICJ remember me words


---> 20 islamic countries? Which ones?

Saudi Arabia
Kuwait
Qatar
Jordan
Yemen
Bahrain
Oman
United Arab Emirates
Pakistan
Bangladesh
Lebanon
Tunisia
Brunei
Chad
Maldives
Benin
Gambia
Niger
Cameroon


---> Montenegro? With a 30% serb population?

montenegro will never vote against US and europe they will also recognize kosovo in the coming days or weeks it is well known


---> Macedonia? With its own albanian problem?

macedonia will never vote against US and europe and also montenegro will recognize kosovo in the coming days


---> Bosnia? Waving bye-bye to RS?

bosnia have made it already clear that they would not support your ICJ (only serbs in bosnia want to support your ICJ but not the bosnian muslims and croats)


---> New Zealand? Doesn't support UDI & not likely to?

new zealand never voted against US and great britain in the history of United Nations


---> Ukraine? Crimea?

ukraine has a pro-western gouvernment and they will never vote against US and europe they want to be part of nato
...

That's the 1st 5 of your 27 'NO's. Could be No. Could also be Yes.

you are in all of the 5 wrong

your politicans like ljaljic,tadic and jeremic are big liars they know very well that this battle is lost for you before it has begun its just show to get more votes in the next elections or they are just too naive

peter, sydney

pre 15 godina

dan-ch:
> 47 + 20 + 27 + 9 = 103 states
> at least 103 states will not support your ICJ
im optimistic that also a large number of african countrys will not support your ICJ
> you dont have a chance

Well then, since you've infallible. you must be right...
...but hang on...
didn't Costa Rica say they would support Serbia?

Aren't they one of your '47'?

And if Costa Rica would, why not some of the others?

20 islamic countries? Which ones?

Montenegro? With a 30% serb population?
Macedonia? With its own albanian problem?
Bosnia? Waving bye-bye to RS?
New Zealand? Doesn't support UDI & not likely to?
Ukraine? Crimea?
...

That's the 1st 5 of your 27 'NO's. Could be No. Could also be Yes.

Get my drift?

Guess it's not such a done deal afterall one way or the other afterall is it mate.

dan-ch

pre 15 godina

ok lets analyse it detailed

47 countrys have recognized kosovo they will not support your ICJ

at least 20 countrys from OIC (islamic countrys) that not have yet recognized kosovo will not support your ICJ

montenegro NO
macedonia NO
bosnia NO
new zealand NO
ukraine NO
israel NO
haiti NO
panama NO
bangladesh NO
pakistan NO
Honduras NO
Armenia NO (because of karabakh)
Antigua and Barbuda NO
Bahamas NO
Benin NO
Dominican Republic NO
Georgia NO (but im not sure)
Guatemala NO
Jamaica NO
Philippines NO
Saint Lucia NO
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines NO
Guyana NO
Saint Kitts NO
Suriname NO
Timor-Leste NO
Trinidad and Tobago NO

27 states total


9 small states from the pacific where english or french is official language and some of them are ruled by Great-Britain will

not support your ICJ (tuvalu,Fiji,Kiribati,Palau,Micronesia Federated States,Papua New Guinea,Solomon Islands,Tonga,Vanuatu)


47 + 20 + 27 + 9 = 103 states

at least 103 states will not support your ICJ
im optimistic that also a large number of african countrys will not support your ICJ

you dont have a chance

peter, sydney

pre 15 godina

dan-ch:
> 47 + 20 + 27 + 9 = 103 states
> at least 103 states will not support your ICJ
im optimistic that also a large number of african countrys will not support your ICJ
> you dont have a chance

Well then, since you've infallible. you must be right...
...but hang on...
didn't Costa Rica say they would support Serbia?

Aren't they one of your '47'?

And if Costa Rica would, why not some of the others?

20 islamic countries? Which ones?

Montenegro? With a 30% serb population?
Macedonia? With its own albanian problem?
Bosnia? Waving bye-bye to RS?
New Zealand? Doesn't support UDI & not likely to?
Ukraine? Crimea?
...

That's the 1st 5 of your 27 'NO's. Could be No. Could also be Yes.

Get my drift?

Guess it's not such a done deal afterall one way or the other afterall is it mate.

peter, sydney

pre 15 godina

dan-ch:
> ----> didn't Costa Rica say they would support Serbia?
> yes costa rica is known as a big serbian supporter in recognizing kosovo 1 day after > declaration of independence
> ---> Aren't they one of your '47'?
> yes
> ---> And if Costa Rica would, why not some of the others?
> none of them will support your ICJ remember me words

'Remember me words'? Try eating them.

http://www.innercitypress.com/icj1serbia090508.html

Why would Costa Rica do so given that they recognised 'pseudo-state'? I suspect they didn't like having their 'arm twisted' by the 'good ole US'.

I also suspect there will be other states in that '47' that feel likewise.

As for your list of 20 islamic countries, I count 19.

And what source can you provide that these will not support ICJ? Unfortunately, going by your track record, your 'word' doesn't quite cut it.

I said:
> That's the 1st 5 of your 27 'NO's. Could be No. Could also be Yes.
you said:
> you are in all of the 5 wrong

Let's have another look shall we.

Montenegro:
Djukanovic in an attempt to mollify his electorate is seemingly predicting recognition on the outcome of the GA vote & if necessary, on the outcome before the ICJ should the GA pass Serbia's bid.

That by itself is enough to polarise just about all of the serbs & a majority of the montenegrins against him should Serbia's bid before the GA fail. If he goes further & instructs his ambassador not to vote for the proposal, he can say 'goodbye' to government come the next election.

Macedonia:
Has a significant militant albanian minority which may very well succeed in forcing recognition. But by voting for Serbia's proposal, not only will Gruevski mollify Serbia's anger, he will also be advancing his own country's interests - no doubt secretly hoping that Serbia succeeds before the ICJ & thereby strengthen's international law against seccessionists, which will in turn make his country less vulnerable to a break-up - despite being forced to recognise.

Bosnia:
May very well abstain, but then faces the prospect of RS seceding in retaliation should Serbia's bid before the GA fail.

You in turn state that Bosnia has 'made it clear that they will not support your ICJ'. What is your source?

New Zealand:
Here you're really grasping at straws. New Zealand, unlike Australia, has stated that in will not recognise. In addition, they are not dependent on the US for defence & large enough not to be bullied. And they also have their own problems with the maoris.

You said:
> new zealand never voted against US and great britain in the history of United Nations

And once again your source is?

In reality New Zealand & the US have been at loggerheads many times - the most serious being the suspension of their participation in the ANZUS alliance back in 86.

Ukraine:
you said:
> ukraine has a pro-western gouvernment and they will never vote against US and europe they want to be part of nato

Then why haven't they recognised your 'puppet-state'? With the Crimea mostly etnic russians & the recent fracas in Georgia, they are now less likely, not more likely, to recognise Kosovo & it is overwhelmingly in their interests to see Serbia's bid succeed.

I said before:
> That's the 1st 5 of your 27 'NO's. Could be No. Could also be Yes.

And I am in fact not wrong in saying this.

Was trying to be reasonable before, but unfortunately their was nothing reasonable in your reply.

Which makes it obvious that attempting to even try to do so, is pointless.

DINGDONG

pre 15 godina

Dan

Let me put this into perspective. The ICJ initiative will be accepted. Now, once its passed to the ICJ, no more US interference :) The judges are listed for your benefit. Pay particular attention to the countries they come from :)

Raymond Ranjeva(Madagascar)
Shi Jiuyong (China)
Abdul G. Koroma (Sierra Leone)
Gonzalo Parra-Aranguren (Venezuela)
Thomas Buergenthal (USA)
Hisashi Owada (Japan)
Bruno Simma (Germany)
Peter Tomka (Slovakia)
Ronny Abraham (France)
Kenneth Keith (New Zealand)
Bernardo Sepúlveda-Amor (Mexico)
Mohamed Bennouna (Morocco)
Leonid Skotnikov (Russia)

Only 5 out of 13 are from countries that have recognised Kosovo. Obviously, this shouldn't have any impact on the final verdict. However, at least there is a counter weight to any possible pressure. I think it's time for you to start filling out an application for a Serbian passport :)

dan-ch

pre 15 godina

ok lets analyse it detailed

47 countrys have recognized kosovo they will not support your ICJ

at least 20 countrys from OIC (islamic countrys) that not have yet recognized kosovo will not support your ICJ

montenegro NO
macedonia NO
bosnia NO
new zealand NO
ukraine NO
israel NO
haiti NO
panama NO
bangladesh NO
pakistan NO
Honduras NO
Armenia NO (because of karabakh)
Antigua and Barbuda NO
Bahamas NO
Benin NO
Dominican Republic NO
Georgia NO (but im not sure)
Guatemala NO
Jamaica NO
Philippines NO
Saint Lucia NO
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines NO
Guyana NO
Saint Kitts NO
Suriname NO
Timor-Leste NO
Trinidad and Tobago NO

27 states total


9 small states from the pacific where english or french is official language and some of them are ruled by Great-Britain will

not support your ICJ (tuvalu,Fiji,Kiribati,Palau,Micronesia Federated States,Papua New Guinea,Solomon Islands,Tonga,Vanuatu)


47 + 20 + 27 + 9 = 103 states

at least 103 states will not support your ICJ
im optimistic that also a large number of african countrys will not support your ICJ

you dont have a chance

dan-ch

pre 15 godina

---> Well then, since you've infallible. you must be right...

yes im sure im right in 99% of the states that i have listed


----> didn't Costa Rica say they would support Serbia?

yes costa rica is known as a big serbian supporter in recognizing kosovo 1 day after declaration of independence

---> Aren't they one of your '47'?

yes


---> And if Costa Rica would, why not some of the others?

none of them will support your ICJ remember me words


---> 20 islamic countries? Which ones?

Saudi Arabia
Kuwait
Qatar
Jordan
Yemen
Bahrain
Oman
United Arab Emirates
Pakistan
Bangladesh
Lebanon
Tunisia
Brunei
Chad
Maldives
Benin
Gambia
Niger
Cameroon


---> Montenegro? With a 30% serb population?

montenegro will never vote against US and europe they will also recognize kosovo in the coming days or weeks it is well known


---> Macedonia? With its own albanian problem?

macedonia will never vote against US and europe and also montenegro will recognize kosovo in the coming days


---> Bosnia? Waving bye-bye to RS?

bosnia have made it already clear that they would not support your ICJ (only serbs in bosnia want to support your ICJ but not the bosnian muslims and croats)


---> New Zealand? Doesn't support UDI & not likely to?

new zealand never voted against US and great britain in the history of United Nations


---> Ukraine? Crimea?

ukraine has a pro-western gouvernment and they will never vote against US and europe they want to be part of nato
...

That's the 1st 5 of your 27 'NO's. Could be No. Could also be Yes.

you are in all of the 5 wrong

your politicans like ljaljic,tadic and jeremic are big liars they know very well that this battle is lost for you before it has begun its just show to get more votes in the next elections or they are just too naive

dan-ch

pre 15 godina

ok lets analyse it detailed

47 countrys have recognized kosovo they will not support your ICJ

at least 20 countrys from OIC (islamic countrys) that not have yet recognized kosovo will not support your ICJ

montenegro NO
macedonia NO
bosnia NO
new zealand NO
ukraine NO
israel NO
haiti NO
panama NO
bangladesh NO
pakistan NO
Honduras NO
Armenia NO (because of karabakh)
Antigua and Barbuda NO
Bahamas NO
Benin NO
Dominican Republic NO
Georgia NO (but im not sure)
Guatemala NO
Jamaica NO
Philippines NO
Saint Lucia NO
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines NO
Guyana NO
Saint Kitts NO
Suriname NO
Timor-Leste NO
Trinidad and Tobago NO

27 states total


9 small states from the pacific where english or french is official language and some of them are ruled by Great-Britain will

not support your ICJ (tuvalu,Fiji,Kiribati,Palau,Micronesia Federated States,Papua New Guinea,Solomon Islands,Tonga,Vanuatu)


47 + 20 + 27 + 9 = 103 states

at least 103 states will not support your ICJ
im optimistic that also a large number of african countrys will not support your ICJ

you dont have a chance

dan-ch

pre 15 godina

---> Well then, since you've infallible. you must be right...

yes im sure im right in 99% of the states that i have listed


----> didn't Costa Rica say they would support Serbia?

yes costa rica is known as a big serbian supporter in recognizing kosovo 1 day after declaration of independence

---> Aren't they one of your '47'?

yes


---> And if Costa Rica would, why not some of the others?

none of them will support your ICJ remember me words


---> 20 islamic countries? Which ones?

Saudi Arabia
Kuwait
Qatar
Jordan
Yemen
Bahrain
Oman
United Arab Emirates
Pakistan
Bangladesh
Lebanon
Tunisia
Brunei
Chad
Maldives
Benin
Gambia
Niger
Cameroon


---> Montenegro? With a 30% serb population?

montenegro will never vote against US and europe they will also recognize kosovo in the coming days or weeks it is well known


---> Macedonia? With its own albanian problem?

macedonia will never vote against US and europe and also montenegro will recognize kosovo in the coming days


---> Bosnia? Waving bye-bye to RS?

bosnia have made it already clear that they would not support your ICJ (only serbs in bosnia want to support your ICJ but not the bosnian muslims and croats)


---> New Zealand? Doesn't support UDI & not likely to?

new zealand never voted against US and great britain in the history of United Nations


---> Ukraine? Crimea?

ukraine has a pro-western gouvernment and they will never vote against US and europe they want to be part of nato
...

That's the 1st 5 of your 27 'NO's. Could be No. Could also be Yes.

you are in all of the 5 wrong

your politicans like ljaljic,tadic and jeremic are big liars they know very well that this battle is lost for you before it has begun its just show to get more votes in the next elections or they are just too naive

peter, sydney

pre 15 godina

dan-ch:
> 47 + 20 + 27 + 9 = 103 states
> at least 103 states will not support your ICJ
im optimistic that also a large number of african countrys will not support your ICJ
> you dont have a chance

Well then, since you've infallible. you must be right...
...but hang on...
didn't Costa Rica say they would support Serbia?

Aren't they one of your '47'?

And if Costa Rica would, why not some of the others?

20 islamic countries? Which ones?

Montenegro? With a 30% serb population?
Macedonia? With its own albanian problem?
Bosnia? Waving bye-bye to RS?
New Zealand? Doesn't support UDI & not likely to?
Ukraine? Crimea?
...

That's the 1st 5 of your 27 'NO's. Could be No. Could also be Yes.

Get my drift?

Guess it's not such a done deal afterall one way or the other afterall is it mate.

DINGDONG

pre 15 godina

Dan

Let me put this into perspective. The ICJ initiative will be accepted. Now, once its passed to the ICJ, no more US interference :) The judges are listed for your benefit. Pay particular attention to the countries they come from :)

Raymond Ranjeva(Madagascar)
Shi Jiuyong (China)
Abdul G. Koroma (Sierra Leone)
Gonzalo Parra-Aranguren (Venezuela)
Thomas Buergenthal (USA)
Hisashi Owada (Japan)
Bruno Simma (Germany)
Peter Tomka (Slovakia)
Ronny Abraham (France)
Kenneth Keith (New Zealand)
Bernardo Sepúlveda-Amor (Mexico)
Mohamed Bennouna (Morocco)
Leonid Skotnikov (Russia)

Only 5 out of 13 are from countries that have recognised Kosovo. Obviously, this shouldn't have any impact on the final verdict. However, at least there is a counter weight to any possible pressure. I think it's time for you to start filling out an application for a Serbian passport :)

peter, sydney

pre 15 godina

dan-ch:
> ----> didn't Costa Rica say they would support Serbia?
> yes costa rica is known as a big serbian supporter in recognizing kosovo 1 day after > declaration of independence
> ---> Aren't they one of your '47'?
> yes
> ---> And if Costa Rica would, why not some of the others?
> none of them will support your ICJ remember me words

'Remember me words'? Try eating them.

http://www.innercitypress.com/icj1serbia090508.html

Why would Costa Rica do so given that they recognised 'pseudo-state'? I suspect they didn't like having their 'arm twisted' by the 'good ole US'.

I also suspect there will be other states in that '47' that feel likewise.

As for your list of 20 islamic countries, I count 19.

And what source can you provide that these will not support ICJ? Unfortunately, going by your track record, your 'word' doesn't quite cut it.

I said:
> That's the 1st 5 of your 27 'NO's. Could be No. Could also be Yes.
you said:
> you are in all of the 5 wrong

Let's have another look shall we.

Montenegro:
Djukanovic in an attempt to mollify his electorate is seemingly predicting recognition on the outcome of the GA vote & if necessary, on the outcome before the ICJ should the GA pass Serbia's bid.

That by itself is enough to polarise just about all of the serbs & a majority of the montenegrins against him should Serbia's bid before the GA fail. If he goes further & instructs his ambassador not to vote for the proposal, he can say 'goodbye' to government come the next election.

Macedonia:
Has a significant militant albanian minority which may very well succeed in forcing recognition. But by voting for Serbia's proposal, not only will Gruevski mollify Serbia's anger, he will also be advancing his own country's interests - no doubt secretly hoping that Serbia succeeds before the ICJ & thereby strengthen's international law against seccessionists, which will in turn make his country less vulnerable to a break-up - despite being forced to recognise.

Bosnia:
May very well abstain, but then faces the prospect of RS seceding in retaliation should Serbia's bid before the GA fail.

You in turn state that Bosnia has 'made it clear that they will not support your ICJ'. What is your source?

New Zealand:
Here you're really grasping at straws. New Zealand, unlike Australia, has stated that in will not recognise. In addition, they are not dependent on the US for defence & large enough not to be bullied. And they also have their own problems with the maoris.

You said:
> new zealand never voted against US and great britain in the history of United Nations

And once again your source is?

In reality New Zealand & the US have been at loggerheads many times - the most serious being the suspension of their participation in the ANZUS alliance back in 86.

Ukraine:
you said:
> ukraine has a pro-western gouvernment and they will never vote against US and europe they want to be part of nato

Then why haven't they recognised your 'puppet-state'? With the Crimea mostly etnic russians & the recent fracas in Georgia, they are now less likely, not more likely, to recognise Kosovo & it is overwhelmingly in their interests to see Serbia's bid succeed.

I said before:
> That's the 1st 5 of your 27 'NO's. Could be No. Could also be Yes.

And I am in fact not wrong in saying this.

Was trying to be reasonable before, but unfortunately their was nothing reasonable in your reply.

Which makes it obvious that attempting to even try to do so, is pointless.