Haradinaj raises Preševo Valley "issue"

koqekanari

do you mean living in barbed enclaves protected by international military forces? Is that the rights you want albanians in Presevo to have?

Haradinaj! you should keep your nose away from this issue coz this is an internal matter of Serbia. you should worry instead that one day Serbia will again exercise rule in the NATO occupied province of kosovo.

"Albanians in Presheva should enjoy,the same rights, that the serbian minority in Kosova have".

I'm at a loss for words. Do you understand what you are saying?

Appears Haradinaj is getting bored. Perhaps Thaci might like to send him on an official trip to Belgrade to argue on behalf of the albanians of the Presevo Valley.

Now that would be amusing.


koqekanari:
> Albanians in Presheva should enjoy,the same rights, that the serbian minority in Kosova have.

You mean those rights 'guaranteed' by that filed & all but forgotten so-called K-albanian constitution?

If the albanians in the Presevo Valley were treated the same way by serbs, as K-serbs are treated by K-albanians, there would be a public outcry.

Hahahaha, hehehehehe. And they said, amputating Kosovo from Serbia would bring stability to the Balkans. What clowns!! Clearly, round 2 has begun only this time the world political scene is alot different to 1999! Bring it on!!

I agree with Hajradinaj, and i think that not only the Kosovar but also the Albanian goverment, have the obligation to participate in this laudable initiative. Albanians in Presheva should enjoy,the same rights, that the serbian minority in Kosova have.

now this ex-bouncer is meddling in public affairs again? poor Albanians in the southern serbian province..., don´t you have some better people to represent your autonomy?

well, Serbia is having an eye on his moves, so , there is virtually no danger for serbian citizens.

Thaci should listen to Haradinaj and open an Ministry for Presevo Valley. That is our provionce and we should take of.

Thaci should also allocate some funds to build houses, and moreover inspire financially openinng of Albanian University in Presevo.

""That would be entirely in line with the government's jurisdiction and would not violate international norms, calling on a legitimate interest in the status of Albanians that live outside of Kosovo," he was quoted as saying. "

He means Kosovars right, because you've already got Albania looking after the Albanian diaspora, right?
Two Albanian countries looking after their fellow countrymen all over the world, gosh aren't they lucky.
Weren't one of the big lines 'lies' during the whole independence push that Kosovo is a multiethnic country, with it's citizens being Kosovars? True colours are revealed, and there's more bright rainbows to come!

Koqekanari, what, fear for their lives everyday. Dashnori i Satam, maybe Pristina should re-evaluate the living conditions of their minorities before they poke their noses where it doesn't belong. It could get cut off. Azir, please stop with your propaganda of albanian land. It may have been Illyrian land at one point but they don't exsist anymore. Albanians are Albanian and Illyrians were Illyrian. No conection between the two. Viti i Balit, live together, your way to optomistic. GSP great artical.

Haradinaj belongs to jail for the committed crimes against humanity during the war in our southern province Kosovo and Metohija.

This man should be in jail for involvement in other criminal activates including murdering witnesses in his Hague case.

Haradinaj should be jailed for the rest of his life accompanied by Thachi for the very same charges.

"Haradinaj! you should keep your nose away from this issue coz this is an internal matter of Serbia"

No it isn't!! Minorities must have their rights...especially since Serbia wishes to join the European family of nations.

azir

So you think you can have both the EU and ethnic Albania at the same time?

If you want the EU, you must respect the current borders and claim no more for an ethnic Albania, if you want an ethnic Albania, this can only be done through force, and this will mean NATO bomb you back to the stone age.

Which would you prefer now?

Independent Kosova has every right to look out for the best interests of all the former Yugoslavian citizens of the original and natural ancestrial Albanian nation. That includes Presheva Valley, Macedonia and Montenegro historicaly dominated and tragicaly divided, Albanian lands.Kosova must now unite us all under the Kosova flag.We are divided no more.

The time is coming where Albania needs to become a province of Serbia so the Albanians can mostly live within the same country and to increase their quality of life to the level of Serbians. It will be a difficult task but someone has to bring these people out of destitution.

Viti i Balit:
> just read the comment again and i made a mistake you did not say that.

S'right. Assumed as much. Might also take another look at 'Dashnori i Satam's comment as well ;)

Agree with some of what you've said.

But with regard to Presevo Valley/ North Kosovo comparison, see 'nik's scholastic explanation' above.

And also question Haradinaj's motives. Think only thing Haradinaj really cares about is Haradinaj.

And of course the question of the human rights of the serb minority in Kosovo - words are useless if they are not backed up by actions - spoken, or written.


nik:
> Nobody outside of Serbia would buy such a scholastic explanation. Nobody would see the defference!

Is nevertheless correct as has been pointed out before - and why it will continue to be pointed out in the future.

Also don't buy the bit about the west supporting Presevo separation without the agreement of Belgrade - Kosovo precedent has already weakened the fabric of international law & I doubt the 'responsible' members of the international community will be any too willing to weaken it still further.

I see how sensitive the preshevo issue is for serbian readers,its exactly the same for Kosovars North of Mitrovica. The difference here is that K-serbs are refusing to exept the Kosovar authority,and its the opposite in preshevo Albanians there all they want is to be exepted,no high ranking politician ever went south to talk to Albanians there(no one wanted their vote, (worrying they may want something in return)

Jevic,
you should worry instead that one day Serbia will again exercise rule in the NATO occupied province of kosovo.

Sorry to desipoint you, you will never see that happening not in your life time anyway,maybe your son,and my son will fight out again sometime in the future.

Srboslav,
do you mean living in barbed enclaves protected by international military forces? Is that the rights you want

You are really miss inforemed
its not exactly how you make it sound,Remember: our life is determent,by the choises we make,and not by the choices we take.And we do make our choices as you know.

Dashnori i Satam,
"Haradinaj! you should keep your nose away from this issue coz this is an internal matter of Serbia"

I do not agree with you at all,i thing you are very wrong,Kosovars and Serbs lived together for thousand of years and belive you me we will live together again as one in one europe.serbia needs to know how serbs are living in Kosova,And Kosova needs to know how the Albanians are living in serbia. Thats why i thing you are so wrong.

peter, sydney,

> Albanians in Presheva should enjoy,the same rights, that the serbian minority in Kosova have

That is relative Peter.Ta

Independent Kosova has every right to look out for the best interests of all the former Yugoslavian citizens of the original and natural ancestrial Albanian nation. That includes Presheva Valley, Macedonia and Montenegro historicaly dominated and tragicaly divided, Albanian lands.Kosova must now unite us all under the Kosova flag.We are divided no more.
(azir, 15 September 2008 13:41)

to azir - why don't you kosovars/albanians just keep on pushing your border requests upward? As you have the backing of the EU/US they may just go for it. It's apparant that's what you're after going for - the "greater albania" & per the link, you have NO intentions of changing the ways of your "fellow countrymen". There is no separation.

http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/blogreview/2008/09/12/blog-02

Seems as if nothing will change, but we all knew this was evident.

Do these guys not have anything better to do, per ex creating some jobs in their province and stop sucking everyone's blood??

"albanians didnt come from mars they are ilyrians either you accepted or not."

no Ajsel, they are not. and the overwhelming part of the historians worldwide also say that you are not "illyrians".
to be more precise, there are no SERIOUS historians or archelogists holding up this theory.

I recommend the ethnic Albanians in Preševo Valley or anywhere else in Serbia (including Kosovo province) to start another armed conflict. You will be extremely sorry to make that stupid mistake, not only because the Serbian army will deal with you big time, but also because NATO will not dare to come to your aid this time. In a sense I would love to see a pure Albanian state and put a big fence around it, but not at the expense of stealing Serbian, Montenegrin, Greek and Macedonian territory by constantly claiming how badly you are treated everywhere.

yes indeed, miri. it really makes me shiver...this level of ignorance among some Albanians.

but I can understand it, too.

since you have been submissive to foreign invaders, siding with the ottomans, converting to their religion, siding with the NAZIS, and now bowing your backs to the US ...

you know, the only source you kids have brought up here is a link to an edition of encyclopedia brittanica from the early 1920´s... if that is your serious source for historical facts...

again, you just make me shiver. :)

To the person mentioning the NAZIS, there is a reason why the Nazi hunters are coming today to BELGRADE and NOT PRISHTINA.

Read the article in B92, click "All news", you will find it there.
(L*O*G*I*C, 15 September 2008 22:55)



“Zuroff will discuess processes against former Nazi Peter Egner, Croatian Ustasha Milivoj Ašner, and Hungarian Sandor Kepiro, all suspected of being responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Jews, Serbs and Romas.”

Above is direct quote from article that( LOGIC) was talking about in his comment.
So LOGIC. Next time you want to make people believe that Serbians wore Nazis or Nazi collaborators find article ware Serbs are directly implicated. Otherwise stop with your accusations.

The logic is quite simple. Preševo is Serbian land and Kosovo is Serbian land so if the Albanians would like to join them to Albania, then by extension that simply means that Serbia's border will expand to include Albania.

I can then have a beach house in Serbia on both the Mediterranean and Adriatic seas. Since the Albanians have no respect for borders then I'm sure they'll be fine with Albania becoming a Serbian province.

to jeju; there is no Kosovo nation,there is a country called Kosovo and the people living there are either Albanians,or Serbs or Turks and so on.Only our enemies or the missinformed call the Albanians in Kosovo(Kosovars) meaning a diferent nationality from Albanians and yes Presevo and Leposavic go hand in hand in any just future.

when Haradinaj speaks everyone should get alert (for bad reasons of course), even terrified.Hadn't our police seizured Albanian propaganda material together with the guns and American flag a couple of months ago in Presevo?
Whatever your plan is Haradinaj, it would be possible to achieve it only over our dead bodies (not that you'll at all care about it).

To all proserb commentators why dont you accept it once and for all KOSOVA is not a province of serbia and never will be. KOSOVA is a free country. To delije albanians didnt come from mars they are ilyrians either you accepted or not.To peter,sydney have you ever been to kosova in north part and to see how serbians live there and enjoy their freedom.

Us Serbians, being Christian believe in Adam and Eve. We are in fact direct decendents of the very first two people on this plant and we therefore have the right to claim the whole planet as ours.

So miri, when you are on the land of others, you really need to respect that. I mean, we Serbians even have the right to claim Albania as our own if we so wish.

Your Illyrian illusion is only recent history compared to Adam and Eve. In fact, I even read somewhere that Illyrians came here on a space ship from the planet Zog some 6 centuries ago. Check you history once again before making such ridiculous claims!

@ koqekanari,

Ethnic - Albanians living in Serbian proper should have the same rights as Serbs living in Kosovo i Metohija? So they should have their homes burned town, property seized, have their men and women kidnapped, power turned off, houses of worship destroyed, and segregated into ghettos?

I have been to Bujanovac, Presevo and other parts of ethnic - Albanian settlements in Serbia proper as part of the US - Serbian administrative boundary line meetings, and the ethnic - Albs in Serbian proper live better than most inside Kosovo (Serb or Albs). They have stability, electricity, water, roads, etc.

It seems that the fact that Albanians may be the successors of Illyrians, send a cold shiver into someone's spine.
Why? Because Serbs cannot claim the same for themselves. Because everyone knows that Serbs are merely newcomers in the Ballkans with a history no more than 13 centuries.
To someone that claims "there are not serious studies" to prove the origin of Albanians from Illyrians, I would recommend reading outside the Serbian Academy of Science. Although I strongly believe that even this person already knows the truth and that is why is trying to deny it with such passion.

"The region was brought back from the brink of war with an internationally brokered ceasefire in 2001."

I am just wandering why B92 called it an "issue" and not an ISSUE.
Albanians in Presevo Bujanovc and Medevegja should have exactely the same rights as the Serbs living in Northern Mitrovica accourding to Ahtisari Plan. No more no less! I am preatty sure that the Serbs as peaceloving people will never object to that))

Yes logic, I suggest you read the article. There is a reason NAZI hunters are coming to Serbia. It is because the Serbians, Jews and Roma all suffered severely under the hands of the NAZIs and they want to catch some of them that are still free. They are most definitely not Serbian and it was the Albanians fighting on the fascist NAZI side.

Now we have NATO - and the Albanians once again think they chose the right side (just like the NAZIs) but this will be another mistake.

miri, I have absolutely no interest in Albanian history. Whether you arrived on a space ship or Noah's Ark makes no difference whatsoever. What matters to me is that you are attempting to take Serbian land and that will backfire as it has in the past. You are most likely to lose Albania than we are ever of losing Serbian land. Now that is a definite.

Now we have a mirror image situation Mitrovica and Preseo. The best solution would be to end with the partitions in the Balkans. The Presevo valley to remain part of Serbia, Mitrovica - part of Kosovo. Both states thus should be careful how they threat their citizens with other ethnicity _ Serbs in Kosovo, Albanians in Serbia. Both communities may act as bridges for reconsiliation between Serbioa and Kosovo. However if the popular Serbian view that the two cases were different because Kosovo was Serbia, therefore K.Serbs had an unalienable right to remain part of Serbia, while the Presevo Albanians could be nothing but a minority that has to aquiesce to remain part of Serbia, things may get tuogh. Nobody outside of Serbia would buy such a scholastic explanation. Nobody would see the defference! And if the Serbs initiate the breakup of Kosovo, the West may indeed support the seperatism of Presevo! This is a fact of life. So the ball is in Serbia's court!

"He is due to meet with Justice Miniser Snežana Malović, War Crimes Prosecutor Vladimir Vukčević and President of the Jewish Community in Novi Sad Ana Frenkel.

The agenda for the talks will consist of issue related to investigation into the WW2 war crimes suspects.

Zuroff will discuess processes against former Nazi Peter Egner, Croatian Ustasha Milivoj Ašner, and Hungarian Sandor Kepiro, all suspected of being responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Jews, Serbs and Romas."

"LOGIC",

If you had actually read the article you would have discovered, like most of us, that he is in Belgrade because the Serbian government might be preparing a process to put these three war criminals to trial in Serbia if they will be caught. He is not there because Serbia is hiding WWII war criminals that have committed crimes against Serbs, Jews, and other victims of Nazi Germany and its allies. Are you lacking some capacity to understand what you are reading? Most Kosovo Albanian Nazi's probably already died, still live in the US or South America or in Albania or even Pristina. B92 should really put some effort to ban comments like the one you posted here. They are an insult to the intelligence of serious readers.

It's funny how Albanians steal others history "the Illyrians, Greeks, Serbs, Macedonians, etc...." and turne it into "Albanian History". Please read history outside the Albanian history book and lectures on history from others rather than your grandfathers and fathers opinion of history in the balkans. I have read the history of Serbia and it has it's high times and low times. Times to be proud and times to be ashamed. But Albanian history seems to never have a low time. Everything is Albanian and anyone who is famous or a hero in history is or has some "Albanian" in them. At least thats what I get from my history snip-its here from my Albanian friends.

peter, sydney,

I apologise to you, just read the comment again and i made a mistake you did not say that.But i think i am right wen i say its relative. We are all humans,we are bound to make mistakes but its ok as long as we except it.

@ logic, please (pretty please) do some research as to why a Nazi hunter is in Srbija. Please.

Jews once lived Srbija before the WW2. Remember WW2? Do you know what happened to them? Please be coherent and post objective messages.

To the person mentioning the NAZIS, there is a reason why the Nazi hunters are coming today to BELGRADE and NOT PRISHTINA.

Read the article in B92, click "All news", you will find it there.
(L*O*G*I*C, 15 September 2008 22:55)

Yes and if you had bothered to read the article you would have known it is to investigate Nazi (Austrian, Hungarian and Croatian)crimes against Serbs and Jews during the second world war.

The serbian refusal to our history, it's the best proof of its real value.

ZK, are you also claiming Adam and Eve to be Serbs?
What about Noah's arc? Has it landed in Serbia too?

Finally someone is put light into issue. The discrimination that is being practiced against Albanians in those regions is a public outcry.

To the person mentioning the NAZIS, there is a reason why the Nazi hunters are coming today to BELGRADE and NOT PRISHTINA.

Read the article in B92, click "All news", you will find it there.

>>> "the "greater albania" & per the link, you have NO intentions of changing the ways of your "fellow countrymen". There is no separation. "

No greater Albania. That is a myth. There is no need to. Everyone in Ethnic Albania will be in EU. However, the days when Russia can help Serbia and Greece keep Albanians down and even plan to split it in two between them are long gone.

As Kosova improves its economy too Albanians will be able to care for their own security, even though Camp Bondsteel isn't going anywhere for a few decades.

To Srboslav:

Minority rights in Serbia (Albanians of Presheva Valley) should be regulated by Serbian Constitution and law like it is regulated in Kosovo, especially for Serbian minority.
It will be matter of decision of Presheva Valley Albanians to accept and benefit from that offer and possibility or to refuse and isolate like K-Serbs are doing in Kosovo.
The matter is that offer by respective states to minorities should be equal...

Given that Kosovo refuses to talk with Belgrade about Kosovo's Serbs and insists on talking with local representatives of those Serbs I suppose that Haradinaj doesn't expect this office to talk with Belgrade. But that leaves the question what kinds of thing it would do. H. doesn't offer a single example.

I wonder if Serbia holds this personality on Interpol chase list? I mean he was acquitted from the Hague, but he still has to answer questions in Belgrade.

"Just accept the fact that the Albanians in Serbia are not treated as are the Serbians in Kosova.

Greets from Prishtina!
(AO KS, 17 September 2008 19:40)"

first of all: there is no "kosova" - that´s your illusion, kept up by foreign military...only temporarily.

as for your comment:

there is absolutely no doubt, that you are right: there are 100. 000 Albanians in Belgrade alone, who can walk freely wherever they want, doing whatever they want... since it is their capital too.

that´s something completely different from what Serbs as the titular nation of Serbia are experiencing from their fellow-citizens in the southern serbian province.

they live in ghetto´s. and that is YOUR shame.

Speaking of Noah's Ark -- yes, it may have "landed" in serbia, in kosovoo/a, who knows -- maybe in my own native Michigan? but i think there is a larger question: what, precisely, were the ethnicities of the animals?

when we visited the sarajevo zoo, and heard about how, during the war, Karadzic's "nice" forces killed or (effectively) starved every single zoo animal, to death, i asked the Keeper: "What were THEIR (the animals') ethnicities, nevermind their religions. He laughed; but i do think it points just a tiny bit to the utter absurdity of our fetish for ethnic purity...

roberto
(ethnically impure) frisco/sarajevo
robertoruss@yahoo.com

Since we were allied with the Naziz as some people here claim, how is it possible that we saved more jewish people than any country in the balkans? Albanians have fought all the invaders that have come to take over our land. The only thing that i would connect with the Naziz is the serbian wars fought against civillians in Bosnia and Kosovo dont forget about that because the world will never.

I can then have a beach house in Serbia on both the Mediterranean and Adriatic seas.
(ZK BG, 15 September 2008 20:02)

Hahaha ZK BG, u forgot to mention the Ionian sea as well hahaha you guys really make me laugh hahahaha.

Albania the Serbian province?!?!?! With my greatest regret I inform you that things you mentioned above will NEVER happen. I know you guys would want to grasp the Albanian land too, but hey, a NATO land? No way!

Is it just me, or maybe I'm lost into translation... everyone knows that the K-Serbs don't want to join the K-Albanian community, so it is not our concern that they live in their isolated enclaves, it's as simple as it is. If they protest every day to express their anger about Kosova's independence, that means they do not want to live with us, the Albanians.
When did the Preshevo Albanians protest with the same argument? When did they say they do not want to join the Serbians in Serbia?

Come on guys, don't just waste your time in writing comments here, cz everyone knows the truth. K-Serbs in the north of Mitrovica (as well as in the other parts throughout Kosova) are free to do whatever they want, even smuggle the whole Serbia into the north of Kosova. If you didn't know, the fuel price in the northern part of Mitrovica is only 75 euro cents, while in the other part of Kosova is 1.20 or so. Who's the smuggler now?

Just accept the fact that the Albanians in Serbia are not treated as are the Serbians in Kosova.

Greets from Prishtina!

Independent Kosova has every right to look out for the best interests of all the former Yugoslavian citizens of the original and natural ancestrial Albanian nation. That includes Presheva Valley, Macedonia and Montenegro historicaly dominated and tragicaly divided, Albanian lands.Kosova must now unite us all under the Kosova flag.We are divided no more.

I see how sensitive the preshevo issue is for serbian readers,its exactly the same for Kosovars North of Mitrovica. The difference here is that K-serbs are refusing to exept the Kosovar authority,and its the opposite in preshevo Albanians there all they want is to be exepted,no high ranking politician ever went south to talk to Albanians there(no one wanted their vote, (worrying they may want something in return)

Jevic,
you should worry instead that one day Serbia will again exercise rule in the NATO occupied province of kosovo.

Sorry to desipoint you, you will never see that happening not in your life time anyway,maybe your son,and my son will fight out again sometime in the future.

Srboslav,
do you mean living in barbed enclaves protected by international military forces? Is that the rights you want

You are really miss inforemed
its not exactly how you make it sound,Remember: our life is determent,by the choises we make,and not by the choices we take.And we do make our choices as you know.

Dashnori i Satam,
"Haradinaj! you should keep your nose away from this issue coz this is an internal matter of Serbia"

I do not agree with you at all,i thing you are very wrong,Kosovars and Serbs lived together for thousand of years and belive you me we will live together again as one in one europe.serbia needs to know how serbs are living in Kosova,And Kosova needs to know how the Albanians are living in serbia. Thats why i thing you are so wrong.

peter, sydney,

> Albanians in Presheva should enjoy,the same rights, that the serbian minority in Kosova have

That is relative Peter.Ta

I agree with Hajradinaj, and i think that not only the Kosovar but also the Albanian goverment, have the obligation to participate in this laudable initiative. Albanians in Presheva should enjoy,the same rights, that the serbian minority in Kosova have.

"Haradinaj! you should keep your nose away from this issue coz this is an internal matter of Serbia"

No it isn't!! Minorities must have their rights...especially since Serbia wishes to join the European family of nations.

Now we have a mirror image situation Mitrovica and Preseo. The best solution would be to end with the partitions in the Balkans. The Presevo valley to remain part of Serbia, Mitrovica - part of Kosovo. Both states thus should be careful how they threat their citizens with other ethnicity _ Serbs in Kosovo, Albanians in Serbia. Both communities may act as bridges for reconsiliation between Serbioa and Kosovo. However if the popular Serbian view that the two cases were different because Kosovo was Serbia, therefore K.Serbs had an unalienable right to remain part of Serbia, while the Presevo Albanians could be nothing but a minority that has to aquiesce to remain part of Serbia, things may get tuogh. Nobody outside of Serbia would buy such a scholastic explanation. Nobody would see the defference! And if the Serbs initiate the breakup of Kosovo, the West may indeed support the seperatism of Presevo! This is a fact of life. So the ball is in Serbia's court!

Thaci should listen to Haradinaj and open an Ministry for Presevo Valley. That is our provionce and we should take of.

Thaci should also allocate some funds to build houses, and moreover inspire financially openinng of Albanian University in Presevo.

Haradinaj! you should keep your nose away from this issue coz this is an internal matter of Serbia. you should worry instead that one day Serbia will again exercise rule in the NATO occupied province of kosovo.

To all proserb commentators why dont you accept it once and for all KOSOVA is not a province of serbia and never will be. KOSOVA is a free country. To delije albanians didnt come from mars they are ilyrians either you accepted or not.To peter,sydney have you ever been to kosova in north part and to see how serbians live there and enjoy their freedom.

It seems that the fact that Albanians may be the successors of Illyrians, send a cold shiver into someone's spine.
Why? Because Serbs cannot claim the same for themselves. Because everyone knows that Serbs are merely newcomers in the Ballkans with a history no more than 13 centuries.
To someone that claims "there are not serious studies" to prove the origin of Albanians from Illyrians, I would recommend reading outside the Serbian Academy of Science. Although I strongly believe that even this person already knows the truth and that is why is trying to deny it with such passion.

>>> "the "greater albania" & per the link, you have NO intentions of changing the ways of your "fellow countrymen". There is no separation. "

No greater Albania. That is a myth. There is no need to. Everyone in Ethnic Albania will be in EU. However, the days when Russia can help Serbia and Greece keep Albanians down and even plan to split it in two between them are long gone.

As Kosova improves its economy too Albanians will be able to care for their own security, even though Camp Bondsteel isn't going anywhere for a few decades.

Finally someone is put light into issue. The discrimination that is being practiced against Albanians in those regions is a public outcry.

To the person mentioning the NAZIS, there is a reason why the Nazi hunters are coming today to BELGRADE and NOT PRISHTINA.

Read the article in B92, click "All news", you will find it there.

Appears Haradinaj is getting bored. Perhaps Thaci might like to send him on an official trip to Belgrade to argue on behalf of the albanians of the Presevo Valley.

Now that would be amusing.


koqekanari:
> Albanians in Presheva should enjoy,the same rights, that the serbian minority in Kosova have.

You mean those rights 'guaranteed' by that filed & all but forgotten so-called K-albanian constitution?

If the albanians in the Presevo Valley were treated the same way by serbs, as K-serbs are treated by K-albanians, there would be a public outcry.

now this ex-bouncer is meddling in public affairs again? poor Albanians in the southern serbian province..., don´t you have some better people to represent your autonomy?

well, Serbia is having an eye on his moves, so , there is virtually no danger for serbian citizens.

peter, sydney,

I apologise to you, just read the comment again and i made a mistake you did not say that.But i think i am right wen i say its relative. We are all humans,we are bound to make mistakes but its ok as long as we except it.

to jeju; there is no Kosovo nation,there is a country called Kosovo and the people living there are either Albanians,or Serbs or Turks and so on.Only our enemies or the missinformed call the Albanians in Kosovo(Kosovars) meaning a diferent nationality from Albanians and yes Presevo and Leposavic go hand in hand in any just future.

The logic is quite simple. Preševo is Serbian land and Kosovo is Serbian land so if the Albanians would like to join them to Albania, then by extension that simply means that Serbia's border will expand to include Albania.

I can then have a beach house in Serbia on both the Mediterranean and Adriatic seas. Since the Albanians have no respect for borders then I'm sure they'll be fine with Albania becoming a Serbian province.

The serbian refusal to our history, it's the best proof of its real value.

ZK, are you also claiming Adam and Eve to be Serbs?
What about Noah's arc? Has it landed in Serbia too?

koqekanari

do you mean living in barbed enclaves protected by international military forces? Is that the rights you want albanians in Presevo to have?

azir

So you think you can have both the EU and ethnic Albania at the same time?

If you want the EU, you must respect the current borders and claim no more for an ethnic Albania, if you want an ethnic Albania, this can only be done through force, and this will mean NATO bomb you back to the stone age.

Which would you prefer now?

The time is coming where Albania needs to become a province of Serbia so the Albanians can mostly live within the same country and to increase their quality of life to the level of Serbians. It will be a difficult task but someone has to bring these people out of destitution.

"albanians didnt come from mars they are ilyrians either you accepted or not."

no Ajsel, they are not. and the overwhelming part of the historians worldwide also say that you are not "illyrians".
to be more precise, there are no SERIOUS historians or archelogists holding up this theory.

"The region was brought back from the brink of war with an internationally brokered ceasefire in 2001."

I am just wandering why B92 called it an "issue" and not an ISSUE.
Albanians in Presevo Bujanovc and Medevegja should have exactely the same rights as the Serbs living in Northern Mitrovica accourding to Ahtisari Plan. No more no less! I am preatty sure that the Serbs as peaceloving people will never object to that))

"Albanians in Presheva should enjoy,the same rights, that the serbian minority in Kosova have".

I'm at a loss for words. Do you understand what you are saying?

""That would be entirely in line with the government's jurisdiction and would not violate international norms, calling on a legitimate interest in the status of Albanians that live outside of Kosovo," he was quoted as saying. "

He means Kosovars right, because you've already got Albania looking after the Albanian diaspora, right?
Two Albanian countries looking after their fellow countrymen all over the world, gosh aren't they lucky.
Weren't one of the big lines 'lies' during the whole independence push that Kosovo is a multiethnic country, with it's citizens being Kosovars? True colours are revealed, and there's more bright rainbows to come!

Hahahaha, hehehehehe. And they said, amputating Kosovo from Serbia would bring stability to the Balkans. What clowns!! Clearly, round 2 has begun only this time the world political scene is alot different to 1999! Bring it on!!

yes indeed, miri. it really makes me shiver...this level of ignorance among some Albanians.

but I can understand it, too.

since you have been submissive to foreign invaders, siding with the ottomans, converting to their religion, siding with the NAZIS, and now bowing your backs to the US ...

you know, the only source you kids have brought up here is a link to an edition of encyclopedia brittanica from the early 1920´s... if that is your serious source for historical facts...

again, you just make me shiver. :)

Us Serbians, being Christian believe in Adam and Eve. We are in fact direct decendents of the very first two people on this plant and we therefore have the right to claim the whole planet as ours.

So miri, when you are on the land of others, you really need to respect that. I mean, we Serbians even have the right to claim Albania as our own if we so wish.

Your Illyrian illusion is only recent history compared to Adam and Eve. In fact, I even read somewhere that Illyrians came here on a space ship from the planet Zog some 6 centuries ago. Check you history once again before making such ridiculous claims!

Speaking of Noah's Ark -- yes, it may have "landed" in serbia, in kosovoo/a, who knows -- maybe in my own native Michigan? but i think there is a larger question: what, precisely, were the ethnicities of the animals?

when we visited the sarajevo zoo, and heard about how, during the war, Karadzic's "nice" forces killed or (effectively) starved every single zoo animal, to death, i asked the Keeper: "What were THEIR (the animals') ethnicities, nevermind their religions. He laughed; but i do think it points just a tiny bit to the utter absurdity of our fetish for ethnic purity...

roberto
(ethnically impure) frisco/sarajevo
robertoruss@yahoo.com

Independent Kosova has every right to look out for the best interests of all the former Yugoslavian citizens of the original and natural ancestrial Albanian nation. That includes Presheva Valley, Macedonia and Montenegro historicaly dominated and tragicaly divided, Albanian lands.Kosova must now unite us all under the Kosova flag.We are divided no more.
(azir, 15 September 2008 13:41)

to azir - why don't you kosovars/albanians just keep on pushing your border requests upward? As you have the backing of the EU/US they may just go for it. It's apparant that's what you're after going for - the "greater albania" & per the link, you have NO intentions of changing the ways of your "fellow countrymen". There is no separation.

http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/blogreview/2008/09/12/blog-02

Seems as if nothing will change, but we all knew this was evident.

when Haradinaj speaks everyone should get alert (for bad reasons of course), even terrified.Hadn't our police seizured Albanian propaganda material together with the guns and American flag a couple of months ago in Presevo?
Whatever your plan is Haradinaj, it would be possible to achieve it only over our dead bodies (not that you'll at all care about it).

I recommend the ethnic Albanians in Preševo Valley or anywhere else in Serbia (including Kosovo province) to start another armed conflict. You will be extremely sorry to make that stupid mistake, not only because the Serbian army will deal with you big time, but also because NATO will not dare to come to your aid this time. In a sense I would love to see a pure Albanian state and put a big fence around it, but not at the expense of stealing Serbian, Montenegrin, Greek and Macedonian territory by constantly claiming how badly you are treated everywhere.

Since we were allied with the Naziz as some people here claim, how is it possible that we saved more jewish people than any country in the balkans? Albanians have fought all the invaders that have come to take over our land. The only thing that i would connect with the Naziz is the serbian wars fought against civillians in Bosnia and Kosovo dont forget about that because the world will never.

"Just accept the fact that the Albanians in Serbia are not treated as are the Serbians in Kosova.

Greets from Prishtina!
(AO KS, 17 September 2008 19:40)"

first of all: there is no "kosova" - that´s your illusion, kept up by foreign military...only temporarily.

as for your comment:

there is absolutely no doubt, that you are right: there are 100. 000 Albanians in Belgrade alone, who can walk freely wherever they want, doing whatever they want... since it is their capital too.

that´s something completely different from what Serbs as the titular nation of Serbia are experiencing from their fellow-citizens in the southern serbian province.

they live in ghetto´s. and that is YOUR shame.

Koqekanari, what, fear for their lives everyday. Dashnori i Satam, maybe Pristina should re-evaluate the living conditions of their minorities before they poke their noses where it doesn't belong. It could get cut off. Azir, please stop with your propaganda of albanian land. It may have been Illyrian land at one point but they don't exsist anymore. Albanians are Albanian and Illyrians were Illyrian. No conection between the two. Viti i Balit, live together, your way to optomistic. GSP great artical.

Do these guys not have anything better to do, per ex creating some jobs in their province and stop sucking everyone's blood??

Haradinaj belongs to jail for the committed crimes against humanity during the war in our southern province Kosovo and Metohija.

This man should be in jail for involvement in other criminal activates including murdering witnesses in his Hague case.

Haradinaj should be jailed for the rest of his life accompanied by Thachi for the very same charges.

I can then have a beach house in Serbia on both the Mediterranean and Adriatic seas.
(ZK BG, 15 September 2008 20:02)

Hahaha ZK BG, u forgot to mention the Ionian sea as well hahaha you guys really make me laugh hahahaha.

Albania the Serbian province?!?!?! With my greatest regret I inform you that things you mentioned above will NEVER happen. I know you guys would want to grasp the Albanian land too, but hey, a NATO land? No way!

Is it just me, or maybe I'm lost into translation... everyone knows that the K-Serbs don't want to join the K-Albanian community, so it is not our concern that they live in their isolated enclaves, it's as simple as it is. If they protest every day to express their anger about Kosova's independence, that means they do not want to live with us, the Albanians.
When did the Preshevo Albanians protest with the same argument? When did they say they do not want to join the Serbians in Serbia?

Come on guys, don't just waste your time in writing comments here, cz everyone knows the truth. K-Serbs in the north of Mitrovica (as well as in the other parts throughout Kosova) are free to do whatever they want, even smuggle the whole Serbia into the north of Kosova. If you didn't know, the fuel price in the northern part of Mitrovica is only 75 euro cents, while in the other part of Kosova is 1.20 or so. Who's the smuggler now?

Just accept the fact that the Albanians in Serbia are not treated as are the Serbians in Kosova.

Greets from Prishtina!

Viti i Balit:
> just read the comment again and i made a mistake you did not say that.

S'right. Assumed as much. Might also take another look at 'Dashnori i Satam's comment as well ;)

Agree with some of what you've said.

But with regard to Presevo Valley/ North Kosovo comparison, see 'nik's scholastic explanation' above.

And also question Haradinaj's motives. Think only thing Haradinaj really cares about is Haradinaj.

And of course the question of the human rights of the serb minority in Kosovo - words are useless if they are not backed up by actions - spoken, or written.


nik:
> Nobody outside of Serbia would buy such a scholastic explanation. Nobody would see the defference!

Is nevertheless correct as has been pointed out before - and why it will continue to be pointed out in the future.

Also don't buy the bit about the west supporting Presevo separation without the agreement of Belgrade - Kosovo precedent has already weakened the fabric of international law & I doubt the 'responsible' members of the international community will be any too willing to weaken it still further.

"He is due to meet with Justice Miniser Snežana Malović, War Crimes Prosecutor Vladimir Vukčević and President of the Jewish Community in Novi Sad Ana Frenkel.

The agenda for the talks will consist of issue related to investigation into the WW2 war crimes suspects.

Zuroff will discuess processes against former Nazi Peter Egner, Croatian Ustasha Milivoj Ašner, and Hungarian Sandor Kepiro, all suspected of being responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Jews, Serbs and Romas."

"LOGIC",

If you had actually read the article you would have discovered, like most of us, that he is in Belgrade because the Serbian government might be preparing a process to put these three war criminals to trial in Serbia if they will be caught. He is not there because Serbia is hiding WWII war criminals that have committed crimes against Serbs, Jews, and other victims of Nazi Germany and its allies. Are you lacking some capacity to understand what you are reading? Most Kosovo Albanian Nazi's probably already died, still live in the US or South America or in Albania or even Pristina. B92 should really put some effort to ban comments like the one you posted here. They are an insult to the intelligence of serious readers.

@ koqekanari,

Ethnic - Albanians living in Serbian proper should have the same rights as Serbs living in Kosovo i Metohija? So they should have their homes burned town, property seized, have their men and women kidnapped, power turned off, houses of worship destroyed, and segregated into ghettos?

I have been to Bujanovac, Presevo and other parts of ethnic - Albanian settlements in Serbia proper as part of the US - Serbian administrative boundary line meetings, and the ethnic - Albs in Serbian proper live better than most inside Kosovo (Serb or Albs). They have stability, electricity, water, roads, etc.

To the person mentioning the NAZIS, there is a reason why the Nazi hunters are coming today to BELGRADE and NOT PRISHTINA.

Read the article in B92, click "All news", you will find it there.
(L*O*G*I*C, 15 September 2008 22:55)



“Zuroff will discuess processes against former Nazi Peter Egner, Croatian Ustasha Milivoj Ašner, and Hungarian Sandor Kepiro, all suspected of being responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Jews, Serbs and Romas.”

Above is direct quote from article that( LOGIC) was talking about in his comment.
So LOGIC. Next time you want to make people believe that Serbians wore Nazis or Nazi collaborators find article ware Serbs are directly implicated. Otherwise stop with your accusations.

@ logic, please (pretty please) do some research as to why a Nazi hunter is in Srbija. Please.

Jews once lived Srbija before the WW2. Remember WW2? Do you know what happened to them? Please be coherent and post objective messages.

It's funny how Albanians steal others history "the Illyrians, Greeks, Serbs, Macedonians, etc...." and turne it into "Albanian History". Please read history outside the Albanian history book and lectures on history from others rather than your grandfathers and fathers opinion of history in the balkans. I have read the history of Serbia and it has it's high times and low times. Times to be proud and times to be ashamed. But Albanian history seems to never have a low time. Everything is Albanian and anyone who is famous or a hero in history is or has some "Albanian" in them. At least thats what I get from my history snip-its here from my Albanian friends.

Yes logic, I suggest you read the article. There is a reason NAZI hunters are coming to Serbia. It is because the Serbians, Jews and Roma all suffered severely under the hands of the NAZIs and they want to catch some of them that are still free. They are most definitely not Serbian and it was the Albanians fighting on the fascist NAZI side.

Now we have NATO - and the Albanians once again think they chose the right side (just like the NAZIs) but this will be another mistake.

miri, I have absolutely no interest in Albanian history. Whether you arrived on a space ship or Noah's Ark makes no difference whatsoever. What matters to me is that you are attempting to take Serbian land and that will backfire as it has in the past. You are most likely to lose Albania than we are ever of losing Serbian land. Now that is a definite.

To the person mentioning the NAZIS, there is a reason why the Nazi hunters are coming today to BELGRADE and NOT PRISHTINA.

Read the article in B92, click "All news", you will find it there.
(L*O*G*I*C, 15 September 2008 22:55)

Yes and if you had bothered to read the article you would have known it is to investigate Nazi (Austrian, Hungarian and Croatian)crimes against Serbs and Jews during the second world war.

To Srboslav:

Minority rights in Serbia (Albanians of Presheva Valley) should be regulated by Serbian Constitution and law like it is regulated in Kosovo, especially for Serbian minority.
It will be matter of decision of Presheva Valley Albanians to accept and benefit from that offer and possibility or to refuse and isolate like K-Serbs are doing in Kosovo.
The matter is that offer by respective states to minorities should be equal...

Given that Kosovo refuses to talk with Belgrade about Kosovo's Serbs and insists on talking with local representatives of those Serbs I suppose that Haradinaj doesn't expect this office to talk with Belgrade. But that leaves the question what kinds of thing it would do. H. doesn't offer a single example.

I wonder if Serbia holds this personality on Interpol chase list? I mean he was acquitted from the Hague, but he still has to answer questions in Belgrade.