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Thursday, 11.09.2008.

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Jeremić takes ICJ issue to Athens

Foreign Affairs Minister Vuk Jeremić met today with his Greek counterpart Dora Bakoyannis and other officials.

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Jovan

pre 15 godina

wow, Afrim, quite an impressive comment.

do you have any further valuable information for us, except that it is not 1998 but 2008?

afrim hoxha

pre 15 godina

Jeremic seems to have some troubles with the time. He thinks now its 1998 but in fact it is 2008 and the Kosova deal is already a done deal. He is tryig to relive the 1990's and wishing that Milosevic then would have dealt with the situation with the use of dialogue, not with force.
Good wish from Jeremic, but he is just wasting his time and money of serb taxpayers while he is traveling all over the world.
Or perhaps, he is just enjoying while travaling all over the world.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

"Serbia wanted the land but not the people" Sunny wrote in a comment above.

interesting.

it is one of the most stupid phrases among the many stupid statements by the greater-albania-supporters.

first of all, the K-albanians are serbian citizens, so the have the same rights, but also the same duties like all other serbian citizens, be it ethnic hungarians, turks, roma or any other minority in Serbia.

if I didn´t get it wrong, there is even an ethnic albanian in the serbian soccer team, but our dear albanian friends keep writing about anti-albanian presentiments.

...as if they don´t know it better.

sunny, it won´t become true, even if you write it another thousand times.

this spreading of cheap propaganda is a rather poor strategy, if you ask me.

sunny

pre 15 godina

When we last met (Feb.19), I spoke of the precedent that could arise from the abject failure of the Kosovo Albanians to embrace the 21st century principles of Europe—namely compromise, concession, and consensus-building," hetold the OSCE Permanent Council.

Right... serbia wanted the land but not the people, thats an interesting 21st century model, live on the land run your own affairs and have no right to vote within serbia or represent the autonamous kosovo people in parliment. it was russia's plam from the onset support serbia re:kosovo then emulate the west in regards to sussian citizens in th ossetia, that wasnt a prediction that it was going to cause a chain reaction but russia intended all along wheather kosova became indepandant or not

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Will Serbia abide by the ICJ ruling even if the ruling turns pro-Kosovar?
Is this just a way out for Tadic and CO to have a reason to give -up Kosova issue?


Burim Regraj, how many times have you Albanians asked this question?
I would like to ask you a question. If ICJ rules that UDI was illegal will you stop with all this nonsense?

Whatever happens in ICJ, will not alter your position nor Serbia's, but it will make many more countries rethink about siding with you. That is the purpose of this.

Why are so many of you lecturing Serbia how it's a waste of time going there? Do you have something to worry about?

If it's a waste of time, why then is there so much pressure on Serbia to abandon this matter. Why does your own "president" intend to go to the UN to lobby against this?

You are worried and with good reason.
I say, good luck Serbia, the law's on your side.

Kosovari

pre 15 godina

I really don't understand some kosovar politicians that do not recognise Macedonia with its constitution name. If I was Kosovas PM I would do. And I would not thinking that this will anger Greece.

ASIM TIRANA

pre 15 godina

ICJ no ICJ is not an important topic for Albanians.
We knew and you knew Kosovo was going to be inipendent the moment the last Russian solder left the COUNTRY.
As for Greece regognising or not the State of Kosovo really we do not care. Worse case scenario is all Kosovars get Albanian passport just like Abchas or S. Ossetians got Russian ones. After all we learned something from the nation that after the Serbs has donne us most harm.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

you´re completely right, Leonidas!

that´s just the same thing that came to my mind, when I read this article...

I can remember how some VERY smart albanian kid was predicting Greece to recognise "kosova" :) "very soon".

now, I am still waiting for that ominous "next wave"... but somehow our dear albanian friends do on the one side keep up their dreams of taking away serbian territory ( and two thirds of the worlds nations is quite a good indicator for WHO is really recognised, I´d say ) while at the same time being very quiet on those waves and greek recognition-predictions...

but, there is much more hope in regard to reconciliation and a peaceful solution in accordance to international law, since more and more K-albanians are getting serbian documents in Niš.

seems like some day some of those "Illyrians" will end up quite isolated.

the only way for the "Illyrians" to maintain control over the general k-albanian population is to keep them in poverty and misery.

but, since the situation will improve even in the underdeveloped southern-serbian province, people will accept the inevitable victory of international law.

R Guraziu

pre 15 godina

In relation to the NATO bombing the report of the Independent International Commission on Kosovo (IICK) concluded that the NATO action was in a formal sense ‘illegal but legitimate’. Illegal because it did not fit within the UN Charter but legitimate because it was in response to massive violations of human rights. To those struggling to reconcile respect for international law with the protection of humanity, Michael Reisman a ‘legal realists’ is saying ‘Chill out! If the bulk [of IICK] actors in the widened international decision process regard behaviour as legitimate, it is perforce legal’. In this background, the worst outcome from the ICJ regarding UDI (if the hearing is granted which is questionable) could be ‘illegal but legitimate’ and the best outcome which is more likely will be ‘legal and legitimate’. That is, the ICJ will reject Serbia’s claim as invalid and conclude that the UDI is acceptable under these ‘exceptional circumstances’. Serbia then will say, we regret the decision but in light of this we will recognise Kosovo as an independent state and look forward to further our joint efforts towards EU integration.

EA

pre 15 godina

"To vote against this resolution is in effect to vote to deny the right of any country to seek judicial recourse through the UN system."

When exercises terror against its "own" people he loses the moral and political right to be sovereign on that country.
The historical FACTS in a war/conflict in Kosova case are stubborn despite the lovely diplomatic language used by Serbia.

miri

pre 15 godina

"There is nothing worst in life than knowing that you a fighting a losing battle. Every Serb poltician with the execption of Seselj knows that Kosovo can not come peacefully under the Serbian rule"


Actually John, even Seselj knows that Kosova is lost forever. However if he publicly accepts this, then the reason that his party(SRS) exists, would cease to exist, and thus he would be nobody even in Serbia.

Leonidas

pre 15 godina

An AP report earlier in the day said the Greek foreign minister repeated that her country would not recognize Kosovo Albanians' unilateral declaration of independence.

The above statement will put into rest the Albanian arguments that Greece will change its policy towards
Kosovo.

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 15 godina

Jeremic said:

"I shared my fear with you that the unilateral imposition of outcomes to ethnic conflicts could create very troubling consequences to the community of democracies that is the OSCE, or even beyond."

What troubling consequences? Things seems to be running smoothly in Kosovo, only small skirmishes between ethnic groups in the northern part, some problems with Serbian policemen not wanting to re-join the Kosovo-Albanian lead police force, etc. Minor issues.

In Georgia, president Sachisvillie(?) got his nose punched in and will think twice before attacking Abchazia and South Ossetia, so what is the harm done there? Peace troops are deployed, new ones are on their way, and in 15 years the conflict will be no more.

How can all this be troubling?
--

John

pre 15 godina

Mr Jeremic,

There is nothing worst in life than knowing that you a fighting a losing battle. Every Serb poltician with the execption of Seselj knows that Kosovo can not come peacefully under the Serbian rule.

Give it up for gods sake. Spent the energy and the time explaining to your people why Kosovo was lost and get on with other things. Kosovo is gone once and forever and by the way that line that Serbia did pick arms to defend Kosovo is a complete nonsense. You choose not to fight because you knew you would be destroyed by NATO forces not because you are decent and peace loving country. If NATO troops would have not been in Kosovo, Serbian tanks would have rolled in Prishtina and arrested all Kosovo leaders. Give me break for christ sake. How naive do you think we are?

dingdong

pre 15 godina

L*O*G*I*C

Your argument is illogical. Clearly, you have no understanding of the initiative whatsever. I'm not going to comment any further!

BURIM REGJAJ

pre 15 godina

Will Serbia abide by the ICJ ruling even if the ruling turns pro-Kosovar?
Is this just a way out for Tadic and CO to have a reason to give -up Kosova issue?

To CIPIRIPI indeed.
You assume Kosovars may not want to live in Kosova, but I no for a fact not in Serbia.
Long Live KOSOVAR REPUBLIC.

L*O*G*I*C

pre 15 godina

If I were a Serb I would ask myself, "why is my government trying to sue a piece of our territory in a world court? How can my government sue a piece of its' territory, if it's truly ours??"

If Serbia does sue Kosova than Serbia will have acknowledge that there exists a new reality in Kosova and the people being sued are those that it deems "illegitimated" or "illegal" or "criminal(s)".

The best Serbia could do is sue the 46 UN member STATES for failing to comply with UN rules, not a non-member STATE such as Republic of Kosovo.

cees

pre 15 godina

After Jeremic lamented to the OSCE: "When we last met (Feb.19), I spoke of the precedent that could arise from the abject failure of the Kosovo Albanians to embrace the 21st century principles of Europe—namely compromise, concession, and consensus-building", the attending members of the OSCE had to laugh secretly. It is his own country that since 2000 nothing else is doing as he tried to tell the K.Albanians are doing. I think that he only knows Belgrade, Novi Sad, Nis or Novi Pazar and isn't aware of the situation in the rest of Serbia, which is the same as in Kosovo outside of Prishtina, Prizren, Gjakova and Mitrovica.
Has he forgotten that he was also FM under Kostunica and had to defend an anti-European and strong pro-Russian stance. If there is no flexibility, it lays on the Serbian side.

Even the ICJ-approach is a failure. It will do more harm to the Serbian state.

1. It will severe the European Union entrance, because of the stance of the majority (21 states), that accepted Kosovo"s independency.
2. The whole genesis of the Serbia - Kosovo conflict will play a very important role before the ICJ. It will take years, because it will be judged as a 'unique' case. The history of Serbian rule in the last decades will be searched thoroughly. In this case the facts are not too positive for the Serbian side.

In 1948 the UN implemented a law that allows ethnic groups that live under suppression to break away: e.g. Eritrea from Ethiopia. In the same way the court will decided in favour of Kosovo, because of the open atrocities that happened during the 20th. century and culminated under the Milosevic' regime.

The case will not be seen as a normal war or, as the Serbian side likes to describe, as a fight against Albanian terrorists. The suppression and the ways how this was accomplished will play the main role. As I already said: Serbia is not standing very positively by the majority of experts and scholars on this case, though your government tries to tell you something else.

I hope that the case will be brought onto the ICJ. I am sure that it will confirm the legality of Kosovo's independency. What will Serbia do then??

marko

pre 15 godina

"numerous benefits would result from referring this matter to the ICJ."

the ICJ will not restore Serbian Soverignty over Kosovo, if succesfull it will result in what the Democratic party will refer to as a "great moral and legal victory". A victory that achieves nothing and that can not be enforced and will be ignored.

The DS is only pretending to oppose Speratism while it has done nothing to put pressure on Pristina.

Cipiripi

pre 15 godina

I guess no party is creditable when it comes to Kosovo. International Organisations and EU couldn't keep their promisse to form a stabile situation so Serbs can return. It has all worsen, even Albanians do not wish to live in nowadays Kosovo. The local governments are prooving their disqualification every day.

On the other hand Serbia and Russia have done their "best" to realize a situation they are warning of. Untill now only Russia is taking Kosovo as a precedent. Destabilization and further segregation seem to be a welcome self-fulfilling prophecy to Russia in particular.
Mr. Jeremic has contributed a lot to this uneatable mulligan he is now complaining about.

cees

pre 15 godina

After Jeremic lamented to the OSCE: "When we last met (Feb.19), I spoke of the precedent that could arise from the abject failure of the Kosovo Albanians to embrace the 21st century principles of Europe—namely compromise, concession, and consensus-building", the attending members of the OSCE had to laugh secretly. It is his own country that since 2000 nothing else is doing as he tried to tell the K.Albanians are doing. I think that he only knows Belgrade, Novi Sad, Nis or Novi Pazar and isn't aware of the situation in the rest of Serbia, which is the same as in Kosovo outside of Prishtina, Prizren, Gjakova and Mitrovica.
Has he forgotten that he was also FM under Kostunica and had to defend an anti-European and strong pro-Russian stance. If there is no flexibility, it lays on the Serbian side.

Even the ICJ-approach is a failure. It will do more harm to the Serbian state.

1. It will severe the European Union entrance, because of the stance of the majority (21 states), that accepted Kosovo"s independency.
2. The whole genesis of the Serbia - Kosovo conflict will play a very important role before the ICJ. It will take years, because it will be judged as a 'unique' case. The history of Serbian rule in the last decades will be searched thoroughly. In this case the facts are not too positive for the Serbian side.

In 1948 the UN implemented a law that allows ethnic groups that live under suppression to break away: e.g. Eritrea from Ethiopia. In the same way the court will decided in favour of Kosovo, because of the open atrocities that happened during the 20th. century and culminated under the Milosevic' regime.

The case will not be seen as a normal war or, as the Serbian side likes to describe, as a fight against Albanian terrorists. The suppression and the ways how this was accomplished will play the main role. As I already said: Serbia is not standing very positively by the majority of experts and scholars on this case, though your government tries to tell you something else.

I hope that the case will be brought onto the ICJ. I am sure that it will confirm the legality of Kosovo's independency. What will Serbia do then??

Leonidas

pre 15 godina

An AP report earlier in the day said the Greek foreign minister repeated that her country would not recognize Kosovo Albanians' unilateral declaration of independence.

The above statement will put into rest the Albanian arguments that Greece will change its policy towards
Kosovo.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

you´re completely right, Leonidas!

that´s just the same thing that came to my mind, when I read this article...

I can remember how some VERY smart albanian kid was predicting Greece to recognise "kosova" :) "very soon".

now, I am still waiting for that ominous "next wave"... but somehow our dear albanian friends do on the one side keep up their dreams of taking away serbian territory ( and two thirds of the worlds nations is quite a good indicator for WHO is really recognised, I´d say ) while at the same time being very quiet on those waves and greek recognition-predictions...

but, there is much more hope in regard to reconciliation and a peaceful solution in accordance to international law, since more and more K-albanians are getting serbian documents in Niš.

seems like some day some of those "Illyrians" will end up quite isolated.

the only way for the "Illyrians" to maintain control over the general k-albanian population is to keep them in poverty and misery.

but, since the situation will improve even in the underdeveloped southern-serbian province, people will accept the inevitable victory of international law.

marko

pre 15 godina

"numerous benefits would result from referring this matter to the ICJ."

the ICJ will not restore Serbian Soverignty over Kosovo, if succesfull it will result in what the Democratic party will refer to as a "great moral and legal victory". A victory that achieves nothing and that can not be enforced and will be ignored.

The DS is only pretending to oppose Speratism while it has done nothing to put pressure on Pristina.

BURIM REGJAJ

pre 15 godina

Will Serbia abide by the ICJ ruling even if the ruling turns pro-Kosovar?
Is this just a way out for Tadic and CO to have a reason to give -up Kosova issue?

To CIPIRIPI indeed.
You assume Kosovars may not want to live in Kosova, but I no for a fact not in Serbia.
Long Live KOSOVAR REPUBLIC.

John

pre 15 godina

Mr Jeremic,

There is nothing worst in life than knowing that you a fighting a losing battle. Every Serb poltician with the execption of Seselj knows that Kosovo can not come peacefully under the Serbian rule.

Give it up for gods sake. Spent the energy and the time explaining to your people why Kosovo was lost and get on with other things. Kosovo is gone once and forever and by the way that line that Serbia did pick arms to defend Kosovo is a complete nonsense. You choose not to fight because you knew you would be destroyed by NATO forces not because you are decent and peace loving country. If NATO troops would have not been in Kosovo, Serbian tanks would have rolled in Prishtina and arrested all Kosovo leaders. Give me break for christ sake. How naive do you think we are?

Cipiripi

pre 15 godina

I guess no party is creditable when it comes to Kosovo. International Organisations and EU couldn't keep their promisse to form a stabile situation so Serbs can return. It has all worsen, even Albanians do not wish to live in nowadays Kosovo. The local governments are prooving their disqualification every day.

On the other hand Serbia and Russia have done their "best" to realize a situation they are warning of. Untill now only Russia is taking Kosovo as a precedent. Destabilization and further segregation seem to be a welcome self-fulfilling prophecy to Russia in particular.
Mr. Jeremic has contributed a lot to this uneatable mulligan he is now complaining about.

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 15 godina

Jeremic said:

"I shared my fear with you that the unilateral imposition of outcomes to ethnic conflicts could create very troubling consequences to the community of democracies that is the OSCE, or even beyond."

What troubling consequences? Things seems to be running smoothly in Kosovo, only small skirmishes between ethnic groups in the northern part, some problems with Serbian policemen not wanting to re-join the Kosovo-Albanian lead police force, etc. Minor issues.

In Georgia, president Sachisvillie(?) got his nose punched in and will think twice before attacking Abchazia and South Ossetia, so what is the harm done there? Peace troops are deployed, new ones are on their way, and in 15 years the conflict will be no more.

How can all this be troubling?
--

dingdong

pre 15 godina

L*O*G*I*C

Your argument is illogical. Clearly, you have no understanding of the initiative whatsever. I'm not going to comment any further!

EA

pre 15 godina

"To vote against this resolution is in effect to vote to deny the right of any country to seek judicial recourse through the UN system."

When exercises terror against its "own" people he loses the moral and political right to be sovereign on that country.
The historical FACTS in a war/conflict in Kosova case are stubborn despite the lovely diplomatic language used by Serbia.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Will Serbia abide by the ICJ ruling even if the ruling turns pro-Kosovar?
Is this just a way out for Tadic and CO to have a reason to give -up Kosova issue?


Burim Regraj, how many times have you Albanians asked this question?
I would like to ask you a question. If ICJ rules that UDI was illegal will you stop with all this nonsense?

Whatever happens in ICJ, will not alter your position nor Serbia's, but it will make many more countries rethink about siding with you. That is the purpose of this.

Why are so many of you lecturing Serbia how it's a waste of time going there? Do you have something to worry about?

If it's a waste of time, why then is there so much pressure on Serbia to abandon this matter. Why does your own "president" intend to go to the UN to lobby against this?

You are worried and with good reason.
I say, good luck Serbia, the law's on your side.

L*O*G*I*C

pre 15 godina

If I were a Serb I would ask myself, "why is my government trying to sue a piece of our territory in a world court? How can my government sue a piece of its' territory, if it's truly ours??"

If Serbia does sue Kosova than Serbia will have acknowledge that there exists a new reality in Kosova and the people being sued are those that it deems "illegitimated" or "illegal" or "criminal(s)".

The best Serbia could do is sue the 46 UN member STATES for failing to comply with UN rules, not a non-member STATE such as Republic of Kosovo.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

"Serbia wanted the land but not the people" Sunny wrote in a comment above.

interesting.

it is one of the most stupid phrases among the many stupid statements by the greater-albania-supporters.

first of all, the K-albanians are serbian citizens, so the have the same rights, but also the same duties like all other serbian citizens, be it ethnic hungarians, turks, roma or any other minority in Serbia.

if I didn´t get it wrong, there is even an ethnic albanian in the serbian soccer team, but our dear albanian friends keep writing about anti-albanian presentiments.

...as if they don´t know it better.

sunny, it won´t become true, even if you write it another thousand times.

this spreading of cheap propaganda is a rather poor strategy, if you ask me.

miri

pre 15 godina

"There is nothing worst in life than knowing that you a fighting a losing battle. Every Serb poltician with the execption of Seselj knows that Kosovo can not come peacefully under the Serbian rule"


Actually John, even Seselj knows that Kosova is lost forever. However if he publicly accepts this, then the reason that his party(SRS) exists, would cease to exist, and thus he would be nobody even in Serbia.

R Guraziu

pre 15 godina

In relation to the NATO bombing the report of the Independent International Commission on Kosovo (IICK) concluded that the NATO action was in a formal sense ‘illegal but legitimate’. Illegal because it did not fit within the UN Charter but legitimate because it was in response to massive violations of human rights. To those struggling to reconcile respect for international law with the protection of humanity, Michael Reisman a ‘legal realists’ is saying ‘Chill out! If the bulk [of IICK] actors in the widened international decision process regard behaviour as legitimate, it is perforce legal’. In this background, the worst outcome from the ICJ regarding UDI (if the hearing is granted which is questionable) could be ‘illegal but legitimate’ and the best outcome which is more likely will be ‘legal and legitimate’. That is, the ICJ will reject Serbia’s claim as invalid and conclude that the UDI is acceptable under these ‘exceptional circumstances’. Serbia then will say, we regret the decision but in light of this we will recognise Kosovo as an independent state and look forward to further our joint efforts towards EU integration.

ASIM TIRANA

pre 15 godina

ICJ no ICJ is not an important topic for Albanians.
We knew and you knew Kosovo was going to be inipendent the moment the last Russian solder left the COUNTRY.
As for Greece regognising or not the State of Kosovo really we do not care. Worse case scenario is all Kosovars get Albanian passport just like Abchas or S. Ossetians got Russian ones. After all we learned something from the nation that after the Serbs has donne us most harm.

Kosovari

pre 15 godina

I really don't understand some kosovar politicians that do not recognise Macedonia with its constitution name. If I was Kosovas PM I would do. And I would not thinking that this will anger Greece.

sunny

pre 15 godina

When we last met (Feb.19), I spoke of the precedent that could arise from the abject failure of the Kosovo Albanians to embrace the 21st century principles of Europe—namely compromise, concession, and consensus-building," hetold the OSCE Permanent Council.

Right... serbia wanted the land but not the people, thats an interesting 21st century model, live on the land run your own affairs and have no right to vote within serbia or represent the autonamous kosovo people in parliment. it was russia's plam from the onset support serbia re:kosovo then emulate the west in regards to sussian citizens in th ossetia, that wasnt a prediction that it was going to cause a chain reaction but russia intended all along wheather kosova became indepandant or not

afrim hoxha

pre 15 godina

Jeremic seems to have some troubles with the time. He thinks now its 1998 but in fact it is 2008 and the Kosova deal is already a done deal. He is tryig to relive the 1990's and wishing that Milosevic then would have dealt with the situation with the use of dialogue, not with force.
Good wish from Jeremic, but he is just wasting his time and money of serb taxpayers while he is traveling all over the world.
Or perhaps, he is just enjoying while travaling all over the world.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

wow, Afrim, quite an impressive comment.

do you have any further valuable information for us, except that it is not 1998 but 2008?

cees

pre 15 godina

After Jeremic lamented to the OSCE: "When we last met (Feb.19), I spoke of the precedent that could arise from the abject failure of the Kosovo Albanians to embrace the 21st century principles of Europe—namely compromise, concession, and consensus-building", the attending members of the OSCE had to laugh secretly. It is his own country that since 2000 nothing else is doing as he tried to tell the K.Albanians are doing. I think that he only knows Belgrade, Novi Sad, Nis or Novi Pazar and isn't aware of the situation in the rest of Serbia, which is the same as in Kosovo outside of Prishtina, Prizren, Gjakova and Mitrovica.
Has he forgotten that he was also FM under Kostunica and had to defend an anti-European and strong pro-Russian stance. If there is no flexibility, it lays on the Serbian side.

Even the ICJ-approach is a failure. It will do more harm to the Serbian state.

1. It will severe the European Union entrance, because of the stance of the majority (21 states), that accepted Kosovo"s independency.
2. The whole genesis of the Serbia - Kosovo conflict will play a very important role before the ICJ. It will take years, because it will be judged as a 'unique' case. The history of Serbian rule in the last decades will be searched thoroughly. In this case the facts are not too positive for the Serbian side.

In 1948 the UN implemented a law that allows ethnic groups that live under suppression to break away: e.g. Eritrea from Ethiopia. In the same way the court will decided in favour of Kosovo, because of the open atrocities that happened during the 20th. century and culminated under the Milosevic' regime.

The case will not be seen as a normal war or, as the Serbian side likes to describe, as a fight against Albanian terrorists. The suppression and the ways how this was accomplished will play the main role. As I already said: Serbia is not standing very positively by the majority of experts and scholars on this case, though your government tries to tell you something else.

I hope that the case will be brought onto the ICJ. I am sure that it will confirm the legality of Kosovo's independency. What will Serbia do then??

BURIM REGJAJ

pre 15 godina

Will Serbia abide by the ICJ ruling even if the ruling turns pro-Kosovar?
Is this just a way out for Tadic and CO to have a reason to give -up Kosova issue?

To CIPIRIPI indeed.
You assume Kosovars may not want to live in Kosova, but I no for a fact not in Serbia.
Long Live KOSOVAR REPUBLIC.

L*O*G*I*C

pre 15 godina

If I were a Serb I would ask myself, "why is my government trying to sue a piece of our territory in a world court? How can my government sue a piece of its' territory, if it's truly ours??"

If Serbia does sue Kosova than Serbia will have acknowledge that there exists a new reality in Kosova and the people being sued are those that it deems "illegitimated" or "illegal" or "criminal(s)".

The best Serbia could do is sue the 46 UN member STATES for failing to comply with UN rules, not a non-member STATE such as Republic of Kosovo.

John

pre 15 godina

Mr Jeremic,

There is nothing worst in life than knowing that you a fighting a losing battle. Every Serb poltician with the execption of Seselj knows that Kosovo can not come peacefully under the Serbian rule.

Give it up for gods sake. Spent the energy and the time explaining to your people why Kosovo was lost and get on with other things. Kosovo is gone once and forever and by the way that line that Serbia did pick arms to defend Kosovo is a complete nonsense. You choose not to fight because you knew you would be destroyed by NATO forces not because you are decent and peace loving country. If NATO troops would have not been in Kosovo, Serbian tanks would have rolled in Prishtina and arrested all Kosovo leaders. Give me break for christ sake. How naive do you think we are?

EA

pre 15 godina

"To vote against this resolution is in effect to vote to deny the right of any country to seek judicial recourse through the UN system."

When exercises terror against its "own" people he loses the moral and political right to be sovereign on that country.
The historical FACTS in a war/conflict in Kosova case are stubborn despite the lovely diplomatic language used by Serbia.

ASIM TIRANA

pre 15 godina

ICJ no ICJ is not an important topic for Albanians.
We knew and you knew Kosovo was going to be inipendent the moment the last Russian solder left the COUNTRY.
As for Greece regognising or not the State of Kosovo really we do not care. Worse case scenario is all Kosovars get Albanian passport just like Abchas or S. Ossetians got Russian ones. After all we learned something from the nation that after the Serbs has donne us most harm.

R Guraziu

pre 15 godina

In relation to the NATO bombing the report of the Independent International Commission on Kosovo (IICK) concluded that the NATO action was in a formal sense ‘illegal but legitimate’. Illegal because it did not fit within the UN Charter but legitimate because it was in response to massive violations of human rights. To those struggling to reconcile respect for international law with the protection of humanity, Michael Reisman a ‘legal realists’ is saying ‘Chill out! If the bulk [of IICK] actors in the widened international decision process regard behaviour as legitimate, it is perforce legal’. In this background, the worst outcome from the ICJ regarding UDI (if the hearing is granted which is questionable) could be ‘illegal but legitimate’ and the best outcome which is more likely will be ‘legal and legitimate’. That is, the ICJ will reject Serbia’s claim as invalid and conclude that the UDI is acceptable under these ‘exceptional circumstances’. Serbia then will say, we regret the decision but in light of this we will recognise Kosovo as an independent state and look forward to further our joint efforts towards EU integration.

sunny

pre 15 godina

When we last met (Feb.19), I spoke of the precedent that could arise from the abject failure of the Kosovo Albanians to embrace the 21st century principles of Europe—namely compromise, concession, and consensus-building," hetold the OSCE Permanent Council.

Right... serbia wanted the land but not the people, thats an interesting 21st century model, live on the land run your own affairs and have no right to vote within serbia or represent the autonamous kosovo people in parliment. it was russia's plam from the onset support serbia re:kosovo then emulate the west in regards to sussian citizens in th ossetia, that wasnt a prediction that it was going to cause a chain reaction but russia intended all along wheather kosova became indepandant or not

marko

pre 15 godina

"numerous benefits would result from referring this matter to the ICJ."

the ICJ will not restore Serbian Soverignty over Kosovo, if succesfull it will result in what the Democratic party will refer to as a "great moral and legal victory". A victory that achieves nothing and that can not be enforced and will be ignored.

The DS is only pretending to oppose Speratism while it has done nothing to put pressure on Pristina.

Jan Andersen, DK

pre 15 godina

Jeremic said:

"I shared my fear with you that the unilateral imposition of outcomes to ethnic conflicts could create very troubling consequences to the community of democracies that is the OSCE, or even beyond."

What troubling consequences? Things seems to be running smoothly in Kosovo, only small skirmishes between ethnic groups in the northern part, some problems with Serbian policemen not wanting to re-join the Kosovo-Albanian lead police force, etc. Minor issues.

In Georgia, president Sachisvillie(?) got his nose punched in and will think twice before attacking Abchazia and South Ossetia, so what is the harm done there? Peace troops are deployed, new ones are on their way, and in 15 years the conflict will be no more.

How can all this be troubling?
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miri

pre 15 godina

"There is nothing worst in life than knowing that you a fighting a losing battle. Every Serb poltician with the execption of Seselj knows that Kosovo can not come peacefully under the Serbian rule"


Actually John, even Seselj knows that Kosova is lost forever. However if he publicly accepts this, then the reason that his party(SRS) exists, would cease to exist, and thus he would be nobody even in Serbia.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

you´re completely right, Leonidas!

that´s just the same thing that came to my mind, when I read this article...

I can remember how some VERY smart albanian kid was predicting Greece to recognise "kosova" :) "very soon".

now, I am still waiting for that ominous "next wave"... but somehow our dear albanian friends do on the one side keep up their dreams of taking away serbian territory ( and two thirds of the worlds nations is quite a good indicator for WHO is really recognised, I´d say ) while at the same time being very quiet on those waves and greek recognition-predictions...

but, there is much more hope in regard to reconciliation and a peaceful solution in accordance to international law, since more and more K-albanians are getting serbian documents in Niš.

seems like some day some of those "Illyrians" will end up quite isolated.

the only way for the "Illyrians" to maintain control over the general k-albanian population is to keep them in poverty and misery.

but, since the situation will improve even in the underdeveloped southern-serbian province, people will accept the inevitable victory of international law.

afrim hoxha

pre 15 godina

Jeremic seems to have some troubles with the time. He thinks now its 1998 but in fact it is 2008 and the Kosova deal is already a done deal. He is tryig to relive the 1990's and wishing that Milosevic then would have dealt with the situation with the use of dialogue, not with force.
Good wish from Jeremic, but he is just wasting his time and money of serb taxpayers while he is traveling all over the world.
Or perhaps, he is just enjoying while travaling all over the world.

Cipiripi

pre 15 godina

I guess no party is creditable when it comes to Kosovo. International Organisations and EU couldn't keep their promisse to form a stabile situation so Serbs can return. It has all worsen, even Albanians do not wish to live in nowadays Kosovo. The local governments are prooving their disqualification every day.

On the other hand Serbia and Russia have done their "best" to realize a situation they are warning of. Untill now only Russia is taking Kosovo as a precedent. Destabilization and further segregation seem to be a welcome self-fulfilling prophecy to Russia in particular.
Mr. Jeremic has contributed a lot to this uneatable mulligan he is now complaining about.

dingdong

pre 15 godina

L*O*G*I*C

Your argument is illogical. Clearly, you have no understanding of the initiative whatsever. I'm not going to comment any further!

Leonidas

pre 15 godina

An AP report earlier in the day said the Greek foreign minister repeated that her country would not recognize Kosovo Albanians' unilateral declaration of independence.

The above statement will put into rest the Albanian arguments that Greece will change its policy towards
Kosovo.

Peggy

pre 15 godina

Will Serbia abide by the ICJ ruling even if the ruling turns pro-Kosovar?
Is this just a way out for Tadic and CO to have a reason to give -up Kosova issue?


Burim Regraj, how many times have you Albanians asked this question?
I would like to ask you a question. If ICJ rules that UDI was illegal will you stop with all this nonsense?

Whatever happens in ICJ, will not alter your position nor Serbia's, but it will make many more countries rethink about siding with you. That is the purpose of this.

Why are so many of you lecturing Serbia how it's a waste of time going there? Do you have something to worry about?

If it's a waste of time, why then is there so much pressure on Serbia to abandon this matter. Why does your own "president" intend to go to the UN to lobby against this?

You are worried and with good reason.
I say, good luck Serbia, the law's on your side.

Kosovari

pre 15 godina

I really don't understand some kosovar politicians that do not recognise Macedonia with its constitution name. If I was Kosovas PM I would do. And I would not thinking that this will anger Greece.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

"Serbia wanted the land but not the people" Sunny wrote in a comment above.

interesting.

it is one of the most stupid phrases among the many stupid statements by the greater-albania-supporters.

first of all, the K-albanians are serbian citizens, so the have the same rights, but also the same duties like all other serbian citizens, be it ethnic hungarians, turks, roma or any other minority in Serbia.

if I didn´t get it wrong, there is even an ethnic albanian in the serbian soccer team, but our dear albanian friends keep writing about anti-albanian presentiments.

...as if they don´t know it better.

sunny, it won´t become true, even if you write it another thousand times.

this spreading of cheap propaganda is a rather poor strategy, if you ask me.

Jovan

pre 15 godina

wow, Afrim, quite an impressive comment.

do you have any further valuable information for us, except that it is not 1998 but 2008?