Zannier for talks, "but not on status"

That's true Mr. Zannieri, no need to talk about status, Kosova and Serbia can talk as two sovereign states... Cheers!

"Kate, I agree but I feel we have now moved into a more dangerous world where the UN and international law is basically redundant."
(ZK UK, 5 September 2008 12:01)

Has the UN ever been anything different ZK UK? Its impotence was fairly evident when a small band of people made hostages out of its soldiers in Bosnia, and tied them to bunkers. Pretty good job of undermining the UN's "authority"...
The UN is good for other situations and problems around the world. For this case it can only do so much.

How absolutely pathetic! In other words, the big players and the local govt is ignoring the UN therefore they can't do anything??

It is their mandate under the Security Council to run Kosovo as a protectorate. If they are usurped in that role then they should go back to the Security Council and report that they are being prevented from doing their job.

There needs to be an urgent meeting about implementing a new UN based resolution which can work for all sides.

The ONLY way to do this is to talk openly about status, Mr Zannier. Nobody can speak about technical cooperation when the host state refuses to recognise and therefore meet the provincial president.

This is a ridiculous string of events which is making a mockery of the UN, and endangering all international security safeguards.

Dear ZK UK, Kate

Since the ALL the apparatus of the Serbian government has 'volountarily' occupied/invaded the Hague Tribulnal, for 'respecting' UN and/or international law, on genocide and crimes against humanity, Serbia is, thus, the last to complain about breaches in international law.

Kate, I agree but I feel we have now moved into a more dangerous world where the UN and international law is basically redundant.

We will likely see more unilateral decisions being made where regional powers will take hold through force and might. It really is an uncertain new world.

zorank@email.com

I agree Kate. It is clearly the case that international law is what those governments want it to be - not what is written down.

None of those governments are able to explain why the words 'territorial integrity' are in 1244 - they just ignore that bit (and always intended to do so even when 1244 was signed).

That is a cynical disregard for international law and for the UN.

I think too that those governements have failed to understand that they have wrongly rewarded the mono-ethnic ambitions of Albanians in Kosovo - Serbs were being driven out long before Milosevic. Those governments have not answered that either.

They use 1244 to restrict Serbia, but do not keep to it in other regards. If 1244 is effectively meaningless and effectively over, then Serbia would be within its rights to send in its own police and to try to enforce its own laws - as long as this was done non-violently, I don't think anyone could have a legal basis for objection.

Territorial Integrity means that the government of Kosovo still properly belongs to Serbia - 1244 is an interim measure that allows for autonomy in the eventual solution.

Thanks for sharing your selective memory tom but if I use mine, I recall UN vehicles being used to smuggle weapons to the Bosnian muslims. They are not very neutral now are they?

I'm glad that the international community is waking up and finally putting an end to this Western dictatorship though.

The collapse of the UN in Kosovo will only serve to get the Serbian police back there. You can be sure the Serbs will have nothing to do with anyone else.

"The collapse of the UN in Kosovo will only serve to get the Serbian police back there."
UN is collapsing because US /Eu /Albanians want it to collapse. EULEX will move in. Serbs police will never be welcomed by Albanians

Why do you want to send the serbian police and army back to Kosovo ? So you can controll the another etnicity in their own land ? Or so you can ripp off tht land from it's minerals and welth to built up Belgrade ?


We albanians haved lived in Kosovo for centurys and occupied by many. Why do you Serbia try to controll our land when we are educated and strong to do that by our self ?


Kosovo has the right to selfrule it's own land and people. Nobody from belgrade can say what is going to happend in Prishtina. Only Prishtina can do that. What right do you have to controll our people and faith ? For what ?

Kate

"The ONLY way to do this is to talk openly about status, Mr Zannier. Nobody can speak about technical cooperation when the host state refuses to recognise and therefore meet the provincial president."

Too true. I think this guy is confusing Kosovo-Serbia with Montenegro-Serbia or East Timor-Indonesia, where both sides have come to an agreement about status.

This is why the UN exists and why clear laws have to be ENFORCED and UPHELD when it comes to sovereignty.

"...which is making a mockery of the UN"

If you meant Russia by UN I agree with you)

It is pathetic to "talk about Status" when it can be talk about good relationships between two independent countries Kosova and Serbia, freedom of movement of people, freedom of movement of goods and so on....I hope it makes sense to you Kate)

"Thanks for sharing your selective memory tom but if I use mine, I recall UN vehicles being used to smuggle weapons to the Bosnian muslims. They are not very neutral now are they?

I'm glad that the international community is waking up and finally putting an end to this Western dictatorship though.

The collapse of the UN in Kosovo will only serve to get the Serbian police back there. You can be sure the Serbs will have nothing to do with anyone else."
(ZK UK, 5 September 2008 14:34)
Just to get things straight, Serbia holds the legal title to Kosovo - like it or not. "Why would Serbia want to rule the Albanians when Belgrade has already offered a deal of self-rule? The Albanians can't even rule themselves so the Serbians have no hope."
(ZK UK, 5 September 2008 17:40)

You are contradicting yourself ZK. Do you want to send the police, or do you want to give autonomy? The two things exclude each other..
If you send the police they will not be welcome, and I am using an euphemism here. Do you really care about those Serb policeman that will be sent to Kosovo? In the middle of people that "do not know how to govern themselves", your words.

You say you want the UN to act, and then you say "it sold guns to muslims".

"Try to imagine that you are a tenant of an apartment building. You do not own the building, yet you are free to do as you wish(autonomy) within your apartment - as long as it is legal and you follow the rules of the lease.

Breaking the lease and engaging in illegal activities would not suddenly
entitle you to become the land lord - on the contrary, it would get you evicted or arrested.

It's true the K-Albanians have some of the West and NATO on its side, but ask yourself - does might make right? If it does than we can just throw out any sense of legal authority and just hope that one day we don't find ourselves on the wrong side of the sword."
(Hajduk, 5 September 2008 18:05)

Metaphors are often misleading Hajduk, nobody is a tenant in Kosovo, people have lived there for hundreds of years. Been born there, died there for generations. Don't treat people like that, even if you have good intentions, and you might get some respect back. You want to be reasonable, but on your own terms? Serbia pushed the Kosovo Albanians to the limit and beyond with its "might is right" attitude just a few years ago...For what? Really, why did Serbia do that? Nothing to gain and everything to lose, and it did it the same

Dear oh dear, team Albania keeps going round in circles like children on a merry-go-round. Since the independence drive is dead, I'm not really surprised.

Just to get things straight, Serbia holds the legal title to Kosovo - like it or not. Why would Serbia want to rule the Albanians when Belgrade has already offered a deal of self-rule? The Albanians can't even rule themselves so the Serbians have no hope.

You live your life and we'll live ours. That's the position Serbians hold whereas it's the Albanians who want to rule the Serbians and that is simply not going to happen. You see, if the UN leaves then the Serbian police will be there to protect the Serbians. Who mentioned anything about the army?

The EU mission or Albanians are not going anywhere near the Serbian strongholds and especially the North.

So Bato, it's not the Serbians but rather the Albanians who want to intrude on the lives of others. Remember, all of this is taking place on occupied Serbian soil and this occupation will fail soon enough.

This is a ridiculous string of events which is making a mockery of the UN, and endangering all international security safeguards.
(kate, 5 September 2008 11:14)


Perhaps LEAGUE OF NATIONS where Russia has no veto power?? I consent!

Criticism on UMNIK comes pouring in from both sides. That can mean only two things: either they are doing a great job or the organization is conveniently perceived the cause of all trouble.
While the reasoning behind our current objection to organization is functional, (another obstacle to full sovereignty), the analysis of the other camp and so-called ‘independents’, it is harder to follow.
If the aim here is to get clarity on the UMNIK’s role over status, that’s a pretty pointless exercise. The answer to that is self-explanatory. Your disappointment with UMNIK has been on the cards since its installment, so why the surprise now? Where were you people during the last decade? The writing has been on the wall all along.
For nearly a decade UMNIK has not only been a facilitator but a proactive player on creation of the new Kosovar state. It has not only set up structures of the new state like judiciary, civil administration and governance but it did so to a particular liberal model in accordance with popular legitimacy.
We are ever so grateful for that.

"We albanians haved lived in Kosovo for centurys and occupied by many. Why do you Serbia try to controll our land when we are educated and strong to do that by our self ? "

it´s each and everytime astonishing how some kids here lack the basic foundations of knowledge about the region´s history...

first of all, Bato, it is not "your" land! actually, it never was, to be precise.

the question should rather be: what right do YOU have to take away land that was never yours, a land which visible proofs of serbian culture and heritage YOU are deliberately destroying, just to make all the things disappear that make your "our land"-claim so ridiculous.

dear tomahawk, Serbia IS treating it´s citizens with respect, if you would ask those K-albanians who are getting serbian documents in Nis ( and there are almost every day some K-albanians attending... ) they could tell you the difference betweeen Slobo-times and today.

but people who are acting illegally can´t be treated with respect. if you respect the law, and I am quite certain, one day EVEN YOU will understand that this is the only way for you, THEN everybody will respect you. but before, you will have to show your respect towards the law, and of course the territorial integrity of the state in which territory you are living.

that will happen, it is only a question of time.

when two thirds of the world do not recognize this puppet creation that you are calling a "state" or even "independent"...there is little hope for you, you should take that into account.

given that this is the reality, you should rather get yourself a job, and secure your own, individual future, instead of promoting your illyrian fantasies here...

#10 Bato wrote:

"Kosovo has the right to selfrule it's own land and people. Nobody from belgrade can say what is going to happend in Prishtina. Only Prishtina can do that. What right do you have to controll our people and faith ? For what ?"

Bato, Serbia has the right to administer in its own province. Kosovo is legally part of Serbia.

Try to imagine that you are a tenant of an apartment building. You do not own the building, yet you are free to do as you wish(autonomy) within your apartment - as long as it is legal and you follow the rules of the lease.

Breaking the lease and engaging in illegal activities would not suddenly
entitle you to become the land lord - on the contrary, it would get you evicted or arrested.

It's true the K-Albanians have some of the West and NATO on its side, but ask yourself - does might make right? If it does than we can just throw out any sense of legal authority and just hope that one day we don't find ourselves on the wrong side of the sword.

This is absolutely the worst possible time to discuss practical problems.

We should not speak with the separatists as to do so legitimizes their projects and tyranny over Kosovo’s Serbian minority. Kosovo’s powerful sponsors have left our Country broken and fragmented and the only leverage that the Serbian side has is that an independent Kosovo will require Serbian cooperation to succeed. Without it, they will rely on western material aid indefinitely. It is entirely not in our interest to cooperate with Kosovo as long as separatist forces continue to harass minorities and refuse Serbian Sovereignty or even the return of refugees.
I am not particularly worried about these talks as they will not materialize; it is not in the Separatists interest to speak with Belgrade lest they demand human rights for Serbs and a stake in Kosovo. This is an unfounded fear as the DS will demand nothing more than further instruction from Brussels.
This so called ICJ ruling that Jeremic and company are relying on is totally irrelevant; NATO did not rely on international law to bomb Serbia or give its territories away, how can anyone reasonably expect the United States and its puppets/allies to suddenly reverse their positions because of a non binding ICJ decision favouring Serbia’s position. This decision is political cover for those parties that did nothing to protect Serbia’s interests so they can claim some moral victory while Kosovo is made ethnically clean of non-Albanian culture and people.
Belgrade is pretending to oppose Kosovo independence and Pristina’s position is that of Ankara’s position in Armenia in 1915- what is the point in entering into a dialogue.

Tomahowk wrote:

"Metaphors are often misleading Hajduk, nobody is a tenant in Kosovo, people have lived there for hundreds of years. Been born there, died there for generations. Don't treat people like that, even if you have good intentions, and you might get some respect back. You want to be reasonable, but on your own terms? Serbia pushed the Kosovo Albanians to the limit and beyond with its "might is right" attitude just a few years ago...For what? Really, why did Serbia do that? Nothing to gain and everything to lose, and it did it the same"

Forgive the simplistic analogy, however emotional pleas carry even less weight.

Of course the human factor needs to be considered - on both sides, but the fact remains that legally, kosovo is a Serbian province - albeit occupied by Western/NATO forces.

Tomahowk, you must be true to your argument. If might doesn't make right in one circumstance then it doesn't in the other.

Please recall that previously the US considered the KLA a terrorist organization. Only after Bush and his cronies grouped some analysts to consider which play would be of better interest for the American power structure did they change their mind. The US saw an opportunity to put its boot prints deeper into the Balkans. This is simply a strategic maneuver. I'll repeat - in the best interest of the US power structure - certainly not in the interest of "humanity" or the K-Albanians. Rwanda and Darfur are contemporary proof.

The very simplistic, and proven philosophy of divide and conquer is Bush's policy.

Remember, NATO bombed Serbian civilian sites and transportation (making second attack runs on civilian trains crossing a bridge etc..) in the oxymoronic name of "Humanitarian Bombing" in order to create camp bondsteele. Nothing to do with caring about the K-Albanians - total self interest.

America sided with Serbia in two world wars because it found it in its interest to do so.
Now they side with the K-Albanians - for their self same US geopolitical interests.

Now they have created a simmering problem throughout the whole Balkans - not to mention the entire world.

Just consider the M and M Albanians and the Presevo Albanians and their bubbling demands.

It is a shame that legality and the UN have become obsolete. A fact which cannot be denied any longer.

When legality goes out the door, fascism comes in.

N. Mitrovica is already defacto Serbian control. What remains to be borne out is the status of other Serbian enclaves.

Serbia does not want to control the K-Albanians, they just want their territorially integrity to be respected, just like any other country.

That's why an incredible amount of autonomy was offered to the K-Albanians.

As a side note, I suggest you reread ZK's comments. I sense you misread them.

The Kosovo issue is a grave question testing legality and sovereignty - of right and wrong.

I await your response.

The kosovo constitution has no legal basis to exist. since the status quo of the province has never been changed in reference to UN resolution 1244.

Only the UNSC & Serbia can changed things in kosovo. Please takenote of that.

I hear alote from the serbian side about ''respecting the law'' and integrety.

Where was the law when serbian police asualted and terrorised the albanian population during the 80's and the 90's ? Where was the law when the serbian population welcomed Milosevic to power and to Kosovo ? Diden't they knew his plans for the albanians ? He told it loud and clear in and you still voted for him ?


We albanians are now trying to built our lives and homes where we are born and raised and you serbs are talking about controll of territory and other stuff. Leave us albanians alone because we want nothing to do with you. Not in Eu or never. We have allready decidet what we want to do and we ain't a small people, we are 2 million and the world are hearing us loud and clear.


You serbs are right about one thing,do. And that is that the negotiation procces wasen't neccery. It was almost a joke. Everybody knew the outcoming of that comic time and that is because we albanians were and are so determined about this issue. Kosovo cannot and will not be under serbian rule again. The history has proven this and for that we have to change the future. Albanians are doing serbia a favor because now Serbia can focus on better stuff for it's serbian population in Serbia.

tom, you seem confused. The Serbian offer to the Albanians is self rule... meaning you rule your own but not others. We'll take care of the rest.

And the offer is on the table but as you should be well aware, Serbians had lived in what is now known as Croatia for hundreds of year but are now practically ethnically cleansed from the entire territory. And not only that, your sponsors see nothing wrong with that!

So as long as they are the occupiers then you should be safe but just hope that they don't get evicted from holy Serbian soil because we Serbians are a very patient lot.

And there was a hope that there would be more negotiations regarding status...
I don't know who has been "duped" in here,but let's wait what future holds...
Kosovo is the newest country in the World!!!
It's a done deal!
Gezuar and Ziveli from London!

"Try to imagine that you are a tenant of an apartment building. You do not own the building"

It's that attitude that has brought Serbia where it is right now. You tried to "evict" 800,000 unarmed Albanians and you got stopped. Next time you will get stopped again. Need I remind you that Albanians have been in the Balkans for much longer than Serbs?

KATE, ZK. or whatever.
WHAT LAW, Serbia was the one who brke the law by killing Kosovars, Serbia broke the law in mitrovica after Feb. 17, Serbia is breaking international law everyday by letting ilegal stuff entering in north kosova or from north kosova to serbia. thats a breaking international law big time.
The only time serbs complain is when they dont like something

A...Q is a dialog about what?

That's true Mr. Zannieri, no need to talk about status, Kosova and Serbia can talk as two sovereign states... Cheers!

Why do you want to send the serbian police and army back to Kosovo ? So you can controll the another etnicity in their own land ? Or so you can ripp off tht land from it's minerals and welth to built up Belgrade ?


We albanians haved lived in Kosovo for centurys and occupied by many. Why do you Serbia try to controll our land when we are educated and strong to do that by our self ?


Kosovo has the right to selfrule it's own land and people. Nobody from belgrade can say what is going to happend in Prishtina. Only Prishtina can do that. What right do you have to controll our people and faith ? For what ?

How absolutely pathetic! In other words, the big players and the local govt is ignoring the UN therefore they can't do anything??

It is their mandate under the Security Council to run Kosovo as a protectorate. If they are usurped in that role then they should go back to the Security Council and report that they are being prevented from doing their job.

There needs to be an urgent meeting about implementing a new UN based resolution which can work for all sides.

The ONLY way to do this is to talk openly about status, Mr Zannier. Nobody can speak about technical cooperation when the host state refuses to recognise and therefore meet the provincial president.

This is a ridiculous string of events which is making a mockery of the UN, and endangering all international security safeguards.

Kate, I agree but I feel we have now moved into a more dangerous world where the UN and international law is basically redundant.

We will likely see more unilateral decisions being made where regional powers will take hold through force and might. It really is an uncertain new world.

zorank@email.com

Thanks for sharing your selective memory tom but if I use mine, I recall UN vehicles being used to smuggle weapons to the Bosnian muslims. They are not very neutral now are they?

I'm glad that the international community is waking up and finally putting an end to this Western dictatorship though.

The collapse of the UN in Kosovo will only serve to get the Serbian police back there. You can be sure the Serbs will have nothing to do with anyone else.

I agree Kate. It is clearly the case that international law is what those governments want it to be - not what is written down.

None of those governments are able to explain why the words 'territorial integrity' are in 1244 - they just ignore that bit (and always intended to do so even when 1244 was signed).

That is a cynical disregard for international law and for the UN.

I think too that those governements have failed to understand that they have wrongly rewarded the mono-ethnic ambitions of Albanians in Kosovo - Serbs were being driven out long before Milosevic. Those governments have not answered that either.

They use 1244 to restrict Serbia, but do not keep to it in other regards. If 1244 is effectively meaningless and effectively over, then Serbia would be within its rights to send in its own police and to try to enforce its own laws - as long as this was done non-violently, I don't think anyone could have a legal basis for objection.

Territorial Integrity means that the government of Kosovo still properly belongs to Serbia - 1244 is an interim measure that allows for autonomy in the eventual solution.

"Kate, I agree but I feel we have now moved into a more dangerous world where the UN and international law is basically redundant."
(ZK UK, 5 September 2008 12:01)

Has the UN ever been anything different ZK UK? Its impotence was fairly evident when a small band of people made hostages out of its soldiers in Bosnia, and tied them to bunkers. Pretty good job of undermining the UN's "authority"...
The UN is good for other situations and problems around the world. For this case it can only do so much.

Kate

"The ONLY way to do this is to talk openly about status, Mr Zannier. Nobody can speak about technical cooperation when the host state refuses to recognise and therefore meet the provincial president."

Too true. I think this guy is confusing Kosovo-Serbia with Montenegro-Serbia or East Timor-Indonesia, where both sides have come to an agreement about status.

This is why the UN exists and why clear laws have to be ENFORCED and UPHELD when it comes to sovereignty.

Dear ZK UK, Kate

Since the ALL the apparatus of the Serbian government has 'volountarily' occupied/invaded the Hague Tribulnal, for 'respecting' UN and/or international law, on genocide and crimes against humanity, Serbia is, thus, the last to complain about breaches in international law.

"The collapse of the UN in Kosovo will only serve to get the Serbian police back there."
UN is collapsing because US /Eu /Albanians want it to collapse. EULEX will move in. Serbs police will never be welcomed by Albanians

This is a ridiculous string of events which is making a mockery of the UN, and endangering all international security safeguards.
(kate, 5 September 2008 11:14)


Perhaps LEAGUE OF NATIONS where Russia has no veto power?? I consent!

Dear oh dear, team Albania keeps going round in circles like children on a merry-go-round. Since the independence drive is dead, I'm not really surprised.

Just to get things straight, Serbia holds the legal title to Kosovo - like it or not. Why would Serbia want to rule the Albanians when Belgrade has already offered a deal of self-rule? The Albanians can't even rule themselves so the Serbians have no hope.

You live your life and we'll live ours. That's the position Serbians hold whereas it's the Albanians who want to rule the Serbians and that is simply not going to happen. You see, if the UN leaves then the Serbian police will be there to protect the Serbians. Who mentioned anything about the army?

The EU mission or Albanians are not going anywhere near the Serbian strongholds and especially the North.

So Bato, it's not the Serbians but rather the Albanians who want to intrude on the lives of others. Remember, all of this is taking place on occupied Serbian soil and this occupation will fail soon enough.

#10 Bato wrote:

"Kosovo has the right to selfrule it's own land and people. Nobody from belgrade can say what is going to happend in Prishtina. Only Prishtina can do that. What right do you have to controll our people and faith ? For what ?"

Bato, Serbia has the right to administer in its own province. Kosovo is legally part of Serbia.

Try to imagine that you are a tenant of an apartment building. You do not own the building, yet you are free to do as you wish(autonomy) within your apartment - as long as it is legal and you follow the rules of the lease.

Breaking the lease and engaging in illegal activities would not suddenly
entitle you to become the land lord - on the contrary, it would get you evicted or arrested.

It's true the K-Albanians have some of the West and NATO on its side, but ask yourself - does might make right? If it does than we can just throw out any sense of legal authority and just hope that one day we don't find ourselves on the wrong side of the sword.

"...which is making a mockery of the UN"

If you meant Russia by UN I agree with you)

It is pathetic to "talk about Status" when it can be talk about good relationships between two independent countries Kosova and Serbia, freedom of movement of people, freedom of movement of goods and so on....I hope it makes sense to you Kate)

tom, you seem confused. The Serbian offer to the Albanians is self rule... meaning you rule your own but not others. We'll take care of the rest.

And the offer is on the table but as you should be well aware, Serbians had lived in what is now known as Croatia for hundreds of year but are now practically ethnically cleansed from the entire territory. And not only that, your sponsors see nothing wrong with that!

So as long as they are the occupiers then you should be safe but just hope that they don't get evicted from holy Serbian soil because we Serbians are a very patient lot.

Tomahowk wrote:

"Metaphors are often misleading Hajduk, nobody is a tenant in Kosovo, people have lived there for hundreds of years. Been born there, died there for generations. Don't treat people like that, even if you have good intentions, and you might get some respect back. You want to be reasonable, but on your own terms? Serbia pushed the Kosovo Albanians to the limit and beyond with its "might is right" attitude just a few years ago...For what? Really, why did Serbia do that? Nothing to gain and everything to lose, and it did it the same"

Forgive the simplistic analogy, however emotional pleas carry even less weight.

Of course the human factor needs to be considered - on both sides, but the fact remains that legally, kosovo is a Serbian province - albeit occupied by Western/NATO forces.

Tomahowk, you must be true to your argument. If might doesn't make right in one circumstance then it doesn't in the other.

Please recall that previously the US considered the KLA a terrorist organization. Only after Bush and his cronies grouped some analysts to consider which play would be of better interest for the American power structure did they change their mind. The US saw an opportunity to put its boot prints deeper into the Balkans. This is simply a strategic maneuver. I'll repeat - in the best interest of the US power structure - certainly not in the interest of "humanity" or the K-Albanians. Rwanda and Darfur are contemporary proof.

The very simplistic, and proven philosophy of divide and conquer is Bush's policy.

Remember, NATO bombed Serbian civilian sites and transportation (making second attack runs on civilian trains crossing a bridge etc..) in the oxymoronic name of "Humanitarian Bombing" in order to create camp bondsteele. Nothing to do with caring about the K-Albanians - total self interest.

America sided with Serbia in two world wars because it found it in its interest to do so.
Now they side with the K-Albanians - for their self same US geopolitical interests.

Now they have created a simmering problem throughout the whole Balkans - not to mention the entire world.

Just consider the M and M Albanians and the Presevo Albanians and their bubbling demands.

It is a shame that legality and the UN have become obsolete. A fact which cannot be denied any longer.

When legality goes out the door, fascism comes in.

N. Mitrovica is already defacto Serbian control. What remains to be borne out is the status of other Serbian enclaves.

Serbia does not want to control the K-Albanians, they just want their territorially integrity to be respected, just like any other country.

That's why an incredible amount of autonomy was offered to the K-Albanians.

As a side note, I suggest you reread ZK's comments. I sense you misread them.

The Kosovo issue is a grave question testing legality and sovereignty - of right and wrong.

I await your response.

"Try to imagine that you are a tenant of an apartment building. You do not own the building"

It's that attitude that has brought Serbia where it is right now. You tried to "evict" 800,000 unarmed Albanians and you got stopped. Next time you will get stopped again. Need I remind you that Albanians have been in the Balkans for much longer than Serbs?

The kosovo constitution has no legal basis to exist. since the status quo of the province has never been changed in reference to UN resolution 1244.

Only the UNSC & Serbia can changed things in kosovo. Please takenote of that.

"We albanians haved lived in Kosovo for centurys and occupied by many. Why do you Serbia try to controll our land when we are educated and strong to do that by our self ? "

it´s each and everytime astonishing how some kids here lack the basic foundations of knowledge about the region´s history...

first of all, Bato, it is not "your" land! actually, it never was, to be precise.

the question should rather be: what right do YOU have to take away land that was never yours, a land which visible proofs of serbian culture and heritage YOU are deliberately destroying, just to make all the things disappear that make your "our land"-claim so ridiculous.

dear tomahawk, Serbia IS treating it´s citizens with respect, if you would ask those K-albanians who are getting serbian documents in Nis ( and there are almost every day some K-albanians attending... ) they could tell you the difference betweeen Slobo-times and today.

but people who are acting illegally can´t be treated with respect. if you respect the law, and I am quite certain, one day EVEN YOU will understand that this is the only way for you, THEN everybody will respect you. but before, you will have to show your respect towards the law, and of course the territorial integrity of the state in which territory you are living.

that will happen, it is only a question of time.

when two thirds of the world do not recognize this puppet creation that you are calling a "state" or even "independent"...there is little hope for you, you should take that into account.

given that this is the reality, you should rather get yourself a job, and secure your own, individual future, instead of promoting your illyrian fantasies here...

I hear alote from the serbian side about ''respecting the law'' and integrety.

Where was the law when serbian police asualted and terrorised the albanian population during the 80's and the 90's ? Where was the law when the serbian population welcomed Milosevic to power and to Kosovo ? Diden't they knew his plans for the albanians ? He told it loud and clear in and you still voted for him ?


We albanians are now trying to built our lives and homes where we are born and raised and you serbs are talking about controll of territory and other stuff. Leave us albanians alone because we want nothing to do with you. Not in Eu or never. We have allready decidet what we want to do and we ain't a small people, we are 2 million and the world are hearing us loud and clear.


You serbs are right about one thing,do. And that is that the negotiation procces wasen't neccery. It was almost a joke. Everybody knew the outcoming of that comic time and that is because we albanians were and are so determined about this issue. Kosovo cannot and will not be under serbian rule again. The history has proven this and for that we have to change the future. Albanians are doing serbia a favor because now Serbia can focus on better stuff for it's serbian population in Serbia.

KATE, ZK. or whatever.
WHAT LAW, Serbia was the one who brke the law by killing Kosovars, Serbia broke the law in mitrovica after Feb. 17, Serbia is breaking international law everyday by letting ilegal stuff entering in north kosova or from north kosova to serbia. thats a breaking international law big time.
The only time serbs complain is when they dont like something

Criticism on UMNIK comes pouring in from both sides. That can mean only two things: either they are doing a great job or the organization is conveniently perceived the cause of all trouble.
While the reasoning behind our current objection to organization is functional, (another obstacle to full sovereignty), the analysis of the other camp and so-called ‘independents’, it is harder to follow.
If the aim here is to get clarity on the UMNIK’s role over status, that’s a pretty pointless exercise. The answer to that is self-explanatory. Your disappointment with UMNIK has been on the cards since its installment, so why the surprise now? Where were you people during the last decade? The writing has been on the wall all along.
For nearly a decade UMNIK has not only been a facilitator but a proactive player on creation of the new Kosovar state. It has not only set up structures of the new state like judiciary, civil administration and governance but it did so to a particular liberal model in accordance with popular legitimacy.
We are ever so grateful for that.

This is absolutely the worst possible time to discuss practical problems.

We should not speak with the separatists as to do so legitimizes their projects and tyranny over Kosovo’s Serbian minority. Kosovo’s powerful sponsors have left our Country broken and fragmented and the only leverage that the Serbian side has is that an independent Kosovo will require Serbian cooperation to succeed. Without it, they will rely on western material aid indefinitely. It is entirely not in our interest to cooperate with Kosovo as long as separatist forces continue to harass minorities and refuse Serbian Sovereignty or even the return of refugees.
I am not particularly worried about these talks as they will not materialize; it is not in the Separatists interest to speak with Belgrade lest they demand human rights for Serbs and a stake in Kosovo. This is an unfounded fear as the DS will demand nothing more than further instruction from Brussels.
This so called ICJ ruling that Jeremic and company are relying on is totally irrelevant; NATO did not rely on international law to bomb Serbia or give its territories away, how can anyone reasonably expect the United States and its puppets/allies to suddenly reverse their positions because of a non binding ICJ decision favouring Serbia’s position. This decision is political cover for those parties that did nothing to protect Serbia’s interests so they can claim some moral victory while Kosovo is made ethnically clean of non-Albanian culture and people.
Belgrade is pretending to oppose Kosovo independence and Pristina’s position is that of Ankara’s position in Armenia in 1915- what is the point in entering into a dialogue.

"Thanks for sharing your selective memory tom but if I use mine, I recall UN vehicles being used to smuggle weapons to the Bosnian muslims. They are not very neutral now are they?

I'm glad that the international community is waking up and finally putting an end to this Western dictatorship though.

The collapse of the UN in Kosovo will only serve to get the Serbian police back there. You can be sure the Serbs will have nothing to do with anyone else."
(ZK UK, 5 September 2008 14:34)
Just to get things straight, Serbia holds the legal title to Kosovo - like it or not. "Why would Serbia want to rule the Albanians when Belgrade has already offered a deal of self-rule? The Albanians can't even rule themselves so the Serbians have no hope."
(ZK UK, 5 September 2008 17:40)

You are contradicting yourself ZK. Do you want to send the police, or do you want to give autonomy? The two things exclude each other..
If you send the police they will not be welcome, and I am using an euphemism here. Do you really care about those Serb policeman that will be sent to Kosovo? In the middle of people that "do not know how to govern themselves", your words.

You say you want the UN to act, and then you say "it sold guns to muslims".

"Try to imagine that you are a tenant of an apartment building. You do not own the building, yet you are free to do as you wish(autonomy) within your apartment - as long as it is legal and you follow the rules of the lease.

Breaking the lease and engaging in illegal activities would not suddenly
entitle you to become the land lord - on the contrary, it would get you evicted or arrested.

It's true the K-Albanians have some of the West and NATO on its side, but ask yourself - does might make right? If it does than we can just throw out any sense of legal authority and just hope that one day we don't find ourselves on the wrong side of the sword."
(Hajduk, 5 September 2008 18:05)

Metaphors are often misleading Hajduk, nobody is a tenant in Kosovo, people have lived there for hundreds of years. Been born there, died there for generations. Don't treat people like that, even if you have good intentions, and you might get some respect back. You want to be reasonable, but on your own terms? Serbia pushed the Kosovo Albanians to the limit and beyond with its "might is right" attitude just a few years ago...For what? Really, why did Serbia do that? Nothing to gain and everything to lose, and it did it the same

And there was a hope that there would be more negotiations regarding status...
I don't know who has been "duped" in here,but let's wait what future holds...
Kosovo is the newest country in the World!!!
It's a done deal!
Gezuar and Ziveli from London!

A...Q is a dialog about what?