Tadić rules out meeting with Sejdiu

Stand your ground on this issue, Mr Tadic. All parties need Serbia on board to move forward and this can only happen when the status discussions are reopened without a pre-determined outcome.

"All parties need Serbia on board to move forward and this can only happen when the status discussions are reopened without a pre-determined outcome."


I am shaking my head in disbelief at the thought that STILL some think that K-Albanians will accept to be under Serbian rule again. How do you propose bringing Serbian police or Serbian army to guard the borders?

Uh, apologize? I dont think that will happen from Serbia, considering the illegal proclamation of independence by Kosovo-Metohija. Serbia will continue its fight in the UN, you can rest assured of that..

just look, how the "status quo" of Kosovo has changed in less than a year. Serbia's unwillingness for to contribute anything constructive for to find a multilateral solution for the future of Serbia and Kosovo resulted in the UDI of Kosovo. by walking out and stopping talks, Serbia gave free the space for the unilataral decision of Kosovo - and the "status quo" of autumn 2007 will never return again - but the Serbian dilemma is still the same. why not change this at first? why not taling about the future? why choosing the dilemma as the only solution?

“He stated that the only conditions under which such a meeting could take place was in the case of negotiations, under UN supervision, and to discuss the future status of Kosovo.”


I am not a fan of Mr. Tadic, but he makes lot of sense. The only way Serbia should negotiate anything with this thugs is thru UN supervision. And without predetermined outcome. At first I didn’t think Mr. Tadic’s strategy was going to work, but I now think that he is on the right path. Once Serbia ratifies SAA agreement with EU, and becomes candidate for EU membership, things will drastically change as far as Kosovo is concerned. Kosovo is bound to be left behind. It’s going to be decades before they have any chance to join EU. Best way for Kosovo to prosper and be able to take care of its citizens is to forget about independence. They will never be totally independent. Not without Serbias blessing. And it’s going to be a huge obstacle that they will never be able to overcome. But again I could be wrong. Albanians have always been about 50 years behind rest of us. They might prefer to stay that way.

To late to apologise Mr Tadic !

To Kate: "Stand your ground on this issue, Mr Tadic. All parties need Serbia on board to move forward and this can only happen when the status discussions are reopened without a pre-determined outcome"

Do you honestly and sincerely believe that such thing could ever be possible? I would be interested in a simple Yes/No answer

This is also an honest and sincere question.

“Thanks to Serbian rule. Albanians will prosperunder you? Do you read what you write or...? Serbai will never join EU until Kosova is recognized by Serbia. EU will not accept that trouble like they did in Cyprus “
(Alban, 6 September 2008 02:14)



What history books do you read?
I don’t remember Serbia ever ruling Albania. They don’t have anything Serbia needs. (including there citizens). As far as Kosovo inhabitants, they are and should be Serbian citizens. The problem is Albanians in Kosovo ware never willing to accept that. But it’s pointless to try to explain that to you.


“Serbai will never join EU until Kosova is recognized by Serbia”


Well, that remains to be seen. I wouldn’t bet my last dollar on it. If that was up to you Albanians you wouldn’t have Serbia exist on this planet. Bigger have tried to erase us from this planet but haven’t succeeded.


“EU will not accept that trouble like they did in Cyprus “


You are absolutely right on this one. That is exactly why Serbia is joining EU without Kosovo. Unless you guys realize the only way you can join EU is under your mother Serbias wing. Some day you grand children will realize it.. And they are going to hate you.

In the end of the day when Pristina officials realise that their virtual independence means actually nothing, there will be more and more calls for negotiations with Belgrade. Sure, Sejdiu et al still have some time pretending to be officials of some imaginary independent state but the reality hits rather sooner than later.

Remember, resolution 1244 still in force, North of Kosovo totally under Belgrade’s control, the rest of the province is facing extreme poverty, high rate of crimes, lawless in every corner, unskilled work force, collapse of electricity system and all these has been succeeded in less than 9 years of Albanian rule. Are these the attributes of some independent country? Sure not! Perhaps Sejdiu and his palls realised that they are nowhere without Belgrade. There will be more desperate crying calls for negotiations.

Belgrade should just wait! The history and the law are completely at our side.

Miri: "Do you honestly and sincerely believe that such thing could ever be possible? I would be interested in a simple Yes/No answer" (re: reopening of status talks without a predetermined outcome)

Yes, absolutely, and I think it will happen. There is no other way for the situation to move forward. Of course, it won't be called the reopening of status but something like a Technical Review or whatever.

Tadic won't meet the Kosovan govt. unless they agree to discuss status; they won't meet him if status is raised.

But Serbia has the legal upper hand in this case. She is also an established state important to many countries in the region and throughout Europe.

Everyone wants this sorted out for a number of reaons, and the simple fact is that there has to be a mutually acceptable solution (as was obvious all along).

"I am shaking my head in disbelief at the thought that STILL some think that K-Albanians will accept to be under Serbian rule again. How do you propose bringing Serbian police or Serbian army to guard the borders?"

Well in the same manner that the Serbian borders were taken appart my good man. You even caused the bombing of the rest of Serbia so do not be surprised if Albanians in Albania think twice about supporting your cause once the US leaves, and believe me they will that is one thing I can assure you with.

There is no problem if the serbian president meet Mr. Sejdiu as long as he ( Sejdiu) will use the job title as "kosovo provincial governor".

Kosovo will always be Serbia!!

It is very interesting to see that many of the most radical voices here now speak respectfully of "Mr. Tadic." "Keep it up, mr. tadic, show em your stuff, mr. tadic."

well, most of my albanian frnds and colleagues all along have labeled tadic as just another nationalist, and i really do concur. of course once upon a time, we all had hopes, as we did about dodik and so many others. they begin by calling themselves "democrats" and "Pro-western" and before you know it, they are spouting the same lines that milosevic used in the not-such-good old days.

i think it will take a change of generations -- others have said this, but i didn't want to believe it. but i do believe it now, i think that truly progressive leadership is such a tiny minority and will never be given a chance to govern there.

meanwhile, many kudos to the wonderful pro-democracy activists and human rights advocates. they are working there against such great odds -- just read the comments every day here and you can see that.

thank you.

roberto
frisco/sarajevo
robertoruss@yahoo.com

"Well in the same manner that the Serbian borders were taken appart my good man"

so you want new wars? Well, for starters Albania and Kosova will be on the same defense pact so count on that. Secondly, Kosova alone will be about 3 million in 15-20 years and that's good enough to defend itself. You need to wake up and realize that you cannot force anyone to live with you, and that once you start a war, you may lose it (and more territory)

"Albanians have always been about 50 years behind rest of us."

Thanks to Serbian rule. Albanians will prosperunder you? Do you read what you write or...? Serbai will never join EU until Kosova is recognized by Serbia. EU will not accept that trouble like they did in Cyprus

FREEDOM. Kosova should have never gone to Serbia, and if it wasn't for Russia in 1912-18, it would have never gone.

Vuk,
I am glad to see you are not one that wants to perpetuate the myth that the reason for Kosovo was some master plan to establish some US mega base in Eastern Europe or other nonsense. The goal is for US to pull out and allow Kosovo to be its own country.
However the ties will remain and our support will only be a phone call away if a threat emerges.
And they won't have to sell us their energy resources for 20 cents on the dollar to get us there.

SP wrote:

"Vuk,
I am glad to see you are not one that wants to perpetuate the myth that the reason for Kosovo was some master plan to establish some US mega base in Eastern Europe or other nonsense. The goal is for US to pull out and allow Kosovo to be its own country.
However the ties will remain and our support will only be a phone call away if a threat emerges.
And they won't have to sell us their energy resources for 20 cents on the dollar to get us there."

LOL! SP, Please do tell, why do you think the US is in Kosovo? Not for the base??? LOL!

Whose goal are you speaking of? Must the dreams of expansionist Balkan Albanians, I doubt it is the goal of the US or NATO. What will you say when they don't leave according to your stated goal?

Oh my goodness. Are you still so blind to think the US cares about K-Albanians? LOL! Puppets hold no real intrinsic value. They are used by the puppet master until they are used up or no longer needed. Not much of difference though, either way.

You may place the call but don't be surprised if no one answers.

The President of Georgia just learned that lesson.

just look, how the "status quo" of Kosovo has changed in less than a year. Serbia's unwillingness for to contribute anything constructive for to find a multilateral solution for the future of Serbia and Kosovo resulted in the UDI of Kosovo. by walking out and stopping talks, Serbia gave free the space for the unilataral decision of Kosovo - and the "status quo" of autumn 2007 will never return again - but the Serbian dilemma is still the same. why not change this at first? why not taling about the future? why choosing the dilemma as the only solution?

To late to apologise Mr Tadic !

"All parties need Serbia on board to move forward and this can only happen when the status discussions are reopened without a pre-determined outcome."


I am shaking my head in disbelief at the thought that STILL some think that K-Albanians will accept to be under Serbian rule again. How do you propose bringing Serbian police or Serbian army to guard the borders?

To Kate: "Stand your ground on this issue, Mr Tadic. All parties need Serbia on board to move forward and this can only happen when the status discussions are reopened without a pre-determined outcome"

Do you honestly and sincerely believe that such thing could ever be possible? I would be interested in a simple Yes/No answer

This is also an honest and sincere question.

It is very interesting to see that many of the most radical voices here now speak respectfully of "Mr. Tadic." "Keep it up, mr. tadic, show em your stuff, mr. tadic."

well, most of my albanian frnds and colleagues all along have labeled tadic as just another nationalist, and i really do concur. of course once upon a time, we all had hopes, as we did about dodik and so many others. they begin by calling themselves "democrats" and "Pro-western" and before you know it, they are spouting the same lines that milosevic used in the not-such-good old days.

i think it will take a change of generations -- others have said this, but i didn't want to believe it. but i do believe it now, i think that truly progressive leadership is such a tiny minority and will never be given a chance to govern there.

meanwhile, many kudos to the wonderful pro-democracy activists and human rights advocates. they are working there against such great odds -- just read the comments every day here and you can see that.

thank you.

roberto
frisco/sarajevo
robertoruss@yahoo.com

"I am shaking my head in disbelief at the thought that STILL some think that K-Albanians will accept to be under Serbian rule again. How do you propose bringing Serbian police or Serbian army to guard the borders?"

Well in the same manner that the Serbian borders were taken appart my good man. You even caused the bombing of the rest of Serbia so do not be surprised if Albanians in Albania think twice about supporting your cause once the US leaves, and believe me they will that is one thing I can assure you with.

"Well in the same manner that the Serbian borders were taken appart my good man"

so you want new wars? Well, for starters Albania and Kosova will be on the same defense pact so count on that. Secondly, Kosova alone will be about 3 million in 15-20 years and that's good enough to defend itself. You need to wake up and realize that you cannot force anyone to live with you, and that once you start a war, you may lose it (and more territory)

"Albanians have always been about 50 years behind rest of us."

Thanks to Serbian rule. Albanians will prosperunder you? Do you read what you write or...? Serbai will never join EU until Kosova is recognized by Serbia. EU will not accept that trouble like they did in Cyprus

FREEDOM. Kosova should have never gone to Serbia, and if it wasn't for Russia in 1912-18, it would have never gone.

There is no problem if the serbian president meet Mr. Sejdiu as long as he ( Sejdiu) will use the job title as "kosovo provincial governor".

Kosovo will always be Serbia!!

Miri: "Do you honestly and sincerely believe that such thing could ever be possible? I would be interested in a simple Yes/No answer" (re: reopening of status talks without a predetermined outcome)

Yes, absolutely, and I think it will happen. There is no other way for the situation to move forward. Of course, it won't be called the reopening of status but something like a Technical Review or whatever.

Tadic won't meet the Kosovan govt. unless they agree to discuss status; they won't meet him if status is raised.

But Serbia has the legal upper hand in this case. She is also an established state important to many countries in the region and throughout Europe.

Everyone wants this sorted out for a number of reaons, and the simple fact is that there has to be a mutually acceptable solution (as was obvious all along).

Vuk,
I am glad to see you are not one that wants to perpetuate the myth that the reason for Kosovo was some master plan to establish some US mega base in Eastern Europe or other nonsense. The goal is for US to pull out and allow Kosovo to be its own country.
However the ties will remain and our support will only be a phone call away if a threat emerges.
And they won't have to sell us their energy resources for 20 cents on the dollar to get us there.

“Thanks to Serbian rule. Albanians will prosperunder you? Do you read what you write or...? Serbai will never join EU until Kosova is recognized by Serbia. EU will not accept that trouble like they did in Cyprus “
(Alban, 6 September 2008 02:14)



What history books do you read?
I don’t remember Serbia ever ruling Albania. They don’t have anything Serbia needs. (including there citizens). As far as Kosovo inhabitants, they are and should be Serbian citizens. The problem is Albanians in Kosovo ware never willing to accept that. But it’s pointless to try to explain that to you.


“Serbai will never join EU until Kosova is recognized by Serbia”


Well, that remains to be seen. I wouldn’t bet my last dollar on it. If that was up to you Albanians you wouldn’t have Serbia exist on this planet. Bigger have tried to erase us from this planet but haven’t succeeded.


“EU will not accept that trouble like they did in Cyprus “


You are absolutely right on this one. That is exactly why Serbia is joining EU without Kosovo. Unless you guys realize the only way you can join EU is under your mother Serbias wing. Some day you grand children will realize it.. And they are going to hate you.

Stand your ground on this issue, Mr Tadic. All parties need Serbia on board to move forward and this can only happen when the status discussions are reopened without a pre-determined outcome.

Uh, apologize? I dont think that will happen from Serbia, considering the illegal proclamation of independence by Kosovo-Metohija. Serbia will continue its fight in the UN, you can rest assured of that..

In the end of the day when Pristina officials realise that their virtual independence means actually nothing, there will be more and more calls for negotiations with Belgrade. Sure, Sejdiu et al still have some time pretending to be officials of some imaginary independent state but the reality hits rather sooner than later.

Remember, resolution 1244 still in force, North of Kosovo totally under Belgrade’s control, the rest of the province is facing extreme poverty, high rate of crimes, lawless in every corner, unskilled work force, collapse of electricity system and all these has been succeeded in less than 9 years of Albanian rule. Are these the attributes of some independent country? Sure not! Perhaps Sejdiu and his palls realised that they are nowhere without Belgrade. There will be more desperate crying calls for negotiations.

Belgrade should just wait! The history and the law are completely at our side.

“He stated that the only conditions under which such a meeting could take place was in the case of negotiations, under UN supervision, and to discuss the future status of Kosovo.”


I am not a fan of Mr. Tadic, but he makes lot of sense. The only way Serbia should negotiate anything with this thugs is thru UN supervision. And without predetermined outcome. At first I didn’t think Mr. Tadic’s strategy was going to work, but I now think that he is on the right path. Once Serbia ratifies SAA agreement with EU, and becomes candidate for EU membership, things will drastically change as far as Kosovo is concerned. Kosovo is bound to be left behind. It’s going to be decades before they have any chance to join EU. Best way for Kosovo to prosper and be able to take care of its citizens is to forget about independence. They will never be totally independent. Not without Serbias blessing. And it’s going to be a huge obstacle that they will never be able to overcome. But again I could be wrong. Albanians have always been about 50 years behind rest of us. They might prefer to stay that way.

SP wrote:

"Vuk,
I am glad to see you are not one that wants to perpetuate the myth that the reason for Kosovo was some master plan to establish some US mega base in Eastern Europe or other nonsense. The goal is for US to pull out and allow Kosovo to be its own country.
However the ties will remain and our support will only be a phone call away if a threat emerges.
And they won't have to sell us their energy resources for 20 cents on the dollar to get us there."

LOL! SP, Please do tell, why do you think the US is in Kosovo? Not for the base??? LOL!

Whose goal are you speaking of? Must the dreams of expansionist Balkan Albanians, I doubt it is the goal of the US or NATO. What will you say when they don't leave according to your stated goal?

Oh my goodness. Are you still so blind to think the US cares about K-Albanians? LOL! Puppets hold no real intrinsic value. They are used by the puppet master until they are used up or no longer needed. Not much of difference though, either way.

You may place the call but don't be surprised if no one answers.

The President of Georgia just learned that lesson.