"S. Ossetia won't recognize Kosovo"

This selfproclaimed President must have had to much Vodka last night.

"Serbs had a well-organized state that provided for a normal life for Albanians."

They sure did. if you were serious, I hope the Russians provide you the same exact life.

The Albanians are very hilarious... Just let me remind some of the countries and the respective estimated population that recognized your silly pseudo-state: Monaco - 32,671; Liechtenstein - 35,322; Marshall Islands - 61,963; San Marino - 29,615; Nauru - 9,275!

sorry, Mr. President, but: How many people live in South Ossetia?

and sorry again: were there NATO tanks in Nis or in other cities in Serbia - and did they stay there for weeks ??

sorry, Mr. President. you cannot claim anything, which you can compare with Kosovo. you could compare it only, if Kosovo would seek break away from Serbia with the goal of integration in the Republic of of Albania.

but thanks for telling the world today the truth, Mr. President from South Ossitia. why should Serbian people support you? when they support your goal, then it would be the same, like they would support Kosovo to become integral part of the Republic of Albania.

rolerkoster:
> and sorry again: were there NATO tanks in Nis or in other cities in Serbia - and did they stay there for weeks ??

No, weren't any tanks. NATO merely bombed Serbia day & night for almost 3 months using up to 1,000 aircraft until the serbs finally threw in the towel.

And after NATO ran out of military targets, they started on all sorts of other infrastructure, regardless of the 'military relevance' of the targets - merely to keep up the bombing & their own credibility - dismissing & minimising civilian casualities as 'collateral damage.

But no.. there weren't any tanks.


PRN:
You'd think the newest 'pseudo-state' would recognise an older colleague wouldn't you.

Never mind, just keep repeating your mantra's.


Kicma PR:
Give 'em time - is only 70,000 of them unlike the teaming millions of K-albanians in Kosovo.

Isn't Belarus intending to recognise?

Well then, as some others like to say, is only a matter of time... so if 2 countries recognise in say 2 weeks, then could be 'accepted in a couple of years.

Isn't that how it goes ;)

First, get some recognition for your country, someone other than Russia, than come and talk about Kosovo.

This is the funniest thing i have heard all day. Who is this guy???

I guess 70 000 people is not really ahuge pool of people to pick from. You gotta go ith what you have.

S. Ossetia has no right to be independent. There lives only 70 000 people in S. Ossetia so you cant even call your self a city. Less a state.


800 000 albanians had to leave their homes to seek help in other countrys like Macedonia and Albania. If Nato woulden't bomb Serbia than there would be no albanians in Kosovo now. IS it right for an ''democratic'' country like Serbia to put fear in ''their own'' citizens and expell them from the country?

How many lives has you lost in S.Ossetia ? How many people have left their homes ?? It was the Russian army who killed georgian civilians not the gerogian army killing russians. You are just a little minority in georgia and you will never be a state.


You cannot compare to Kosovo because Kosovo has it's own goverment and is a real country with it's own flag and everything. You have nothing beside 70 000 citizens who wants trouble and don't leave georgia alone.


Stop wasting time bacause you will never be independent. Everybody knowes that. Even Serbia and serbs.

Oh please Adam, why don't you state the truth about that 800,000. Why don't you state that around 90% fled after NATO bombs started dropping on Serbia?

president? of what?the village of south ossetia should join the village of north ossetia and become a town.

"S. Ossetia won't recognize Kosovo"

This is such a sad news for Kosovo. Sejdiu and Thaci will not be able to sleep tonight and may ask Serbia for some help.

Soon 'Republika' Srpka Kraina will use the S. Ossetian example to do the same.

Poor Kosovar...:)

The south Ossetian president said "Serbs had a well-organized state that provided for a normal life for Albanians."
Mr. President, I wish you get the same treatment from Russia as the albanians got from Serbia so then you will cry to go back to Georgia again.

Pheeze, get with it! South Ossetia and Abkhazia are going to be part of Russia very shortly so recognition means nothing. That's the price Georgia pays for siding with NATO.

Serbians will stand firm! We did it against the NAZIs and we will do it against NATO. The Albanians are very good at picking the wrong side just at the turning point.

The world's newest quasi states have no interest in baba quasi "Kosova". Funny funny.

as for the comment from Carlos from Portugal, if I am not wrong, bravo, you must be a carpenter, Carlos! you´ve just hit the nail! :)

that´s exactly what came to my mind, when I read these albanian kids trying to be cynical about the est. population of South Ossetia...

they just do not realize the main difference: South Ossetia has got a strong Russia nearby, while the K-albanians do not have anything similar in their vicinity.

Serbia is not only near, it´s all around them...

and Serbia is on the right side, not only legally but also in regard to morality.

South Ossetia’s got independence after Russia’s aggression on Georgia. The Russian federation has taken away a slice of Georgian territory. I feel sincerely for the Georgian people especially those that have been ethnically cleansed from parts of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.”

Georgia had a well-organized state that provided for a normal life for all ethnicities. For this reason, what Russia has done to the Georgians is injustice,"

Our goal is to unite with North Ossetia, which is a part of the Russian Federation. All Ossetia’s people should live in one state. We find the position of the West unclear. Why are they now protecting the Tbilisi leadership,"

According to Eduard Kokoity all Albanians should live in one state?

When will people of influence start taking a position based on principal?

Oddly enough I support his people’s wish to be united under the one umbrella, however his position on Kosovo is definitely NOT based on principal.

This is just too much!

1. South Ossetia and Abkhazia should, if they are rational, be the first states that recognise Kosovo. It is Kosovo that gave them an explanation (i don't say reason) for the declaration of their own independencies. In order to see Kosovo as a precedent (which is not), they should promote the Kosovan independence movement.

2. How come that Russia betrays Serbia in front of the whole world by recognising S.Oss.&Abkh. independence, and nobody of relevance in Serbia even reacts to it?
Declaration of independence of Kosovo is not as shameful as this is. In Serbia's position i would suspend diplomatic relations with Russia and not with the rest of the world.

Is it me, who does not get something, or is it the world, that becomes more and more paranoid?

warm greetings from cold prishtina!

ZK UK, what turning point? Oh you mean the new cold war when a Serbia surrounded by EU is siding with Russia? That's the turning point your talking about?
The West has recognised Kosovo - that is something concrete and real.

“Serbs had a well-organized state that provided for a normal life for Albanians.”

Oh, really?

(http://www.un.org/icty/glance/milosevic.htm)

To all K-Albanians and their bobblehead leadership:
Just a friendly reminder of history of Ossetia and Kososvo...
Ossetia declared it's independence in the EARLY 1990's when Georgia split from the USSR. Despite years of conflict with the Georgian's, they retained their independence (sort of) from Georgia since then. It only happened that NoOne recognized them as independent since the KOSOVO Precedent wasn't around yet.
Before you start spouting your Pristina elementary education history about K-Albanians being repressed and fighting for your "freedom" from the evil empires of Yugoslavia for the last ten thousand years, remember that until 02/17/08, NOONE has recognized you as independent! In fact, you never had your own VIABLE government or institutions until then... heck you still dont!
So stop saying that you are UNIQUE, that you matter more than Ossetia, Cyprus, Basque, Tibet, Kurdistan, etc. You are only fooling yourself.

South Ossetia and Abkhazia are going to be part of Russia very shortly so recognition means nothing. (ZK UK, 3 September 2008 00:25)
Should wolrd recognize the Republic of Presevo just legaly and later to join Republic of Kosovo. What about Republic of Vojvodina and later join Hungary, Sanzdak and later to join Bosnia.

in response to: peter, sydney, 2 September 2008 15:53

you did'nt tell anything new to us - but you just presented one side of the truth. but you are right: there were no NATO tanks in Serbia in 1999. that's the difference to Russian tanks, which are in Georgia now. and in my first posting I said nothing else.

and Peter: what was the aim of the NATO campaign in 1999? you seem to be well informed, but why is only the Serbian truth the right version. sorry: I believe in facts and in evidence - but not in post-Milosevic propaganda.

http://www.un.org/icty/glance/milosevic.htm

This is absolutely ridiculous. Because of these Kosovo Albanians and Ossetians, we might be on the brink of a war that might claim millions and millions of lives.

@ #8 Adam

Adam, even Western reports identify Georgia as the aggressor in this conflict. Georgia attacked S. Ossetia - probably under the delusion that NATO would step in if the Russians responded (actually not so bad a gamble considering the antics of George Bush).

Also, S. Ossetia does not want independence, it wants to join the Russian Federation.

But Adam, the best line you wrote "You cannot compare to Kosovo because Kosovo has it's own goverment and is a real country with it's own flag and everything." - with it's own flag and everything huh?

WOW! Too funny! I guess that's all any "state" needs to be a "real" country - a flag?

What do you mean by everything else? - perhaps cupcakes? Let's here it for Kosovo - the land of flags and cupcakes. Hilarious!

""Pheeze, get with it! South Ossetia and Abkhazia are going to be part of Russia very shortly so recognition means nothing.

I think it`s a fair deal. The west gets Kosovo and the soviets get their two tiny republics. Whatever they need them for.

I am glad that South Ossetia won't recognize Kosovo. Afterall, Kosovo is part of Serbia.

Mr.Kokoity don't flatter yourself too much. Even if you wanted to recognize Kosovo's independence your opinion will be of no relevance. You do not consider S.O. as part of Georgia,you are not part of Russia and you are not independent either.You don't know where the hell you are yourself. You can make up stories about Kosovo that even the Serbs don't believe.

rolerkoster:
> you didn't tell anything new to us - but you just presented one side of the truth.

Well actually I was pointing out the inherent fallacy in your comparison between the russian intervention in Georgia & NATO's intervention in Serbia.

Here's what you said once again:
> and sorry again: were there NATO tanks in Nis or in other cities in Serbia - and did they stay there for weeks ??

Your implication in this is that NATO's intervention was the more 'restrained' of the two.

Which is quite frankly - rubbish.

While NATO didn't have a presence on the ground, it rained down bombs & missiles on Serbia for months.

When NATO ran out, or could not find military targets, rather than scaling back operations, they 'expanded' their target selection to civilian infrastructure & in the process, killed hundreds if not thousands of civilians.

Heaven forbid that NATO should 'lose face' by running out of targets.

And owing to the indiscriminate nature of bombs & missiles, HUNDREDS of women & children were killed.

Tell me please, how many women & children did the russians kill in the 3 days of military operations in Georgia?

Tell me please, how many bridges, television stations, hospitals & factories did the russians bomb &/or shell?

Tanks? No NATO didn't use tanks. They just committed mass murder.

> what was the aim of the NATO campaign in 1999?

Well let's see.

Was it perhaps to stop the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of slain K-albanians such as was claimed by Clinton & Blair? And which claim was later shown to be baseless?

Was it as a result of the so-called 'Racak Massacre' mentioned in that list of 'allegations' you provided? You know, the one that was staged?

Or perhaps it was to stop the 'ethnic cleansing'? Most of which occurred after the bombs started to fall? Strange indeed that after the war it was the serb population that had once again dropped markedly, while that of the K-albanians only grew.

Or was it perhaps to provide NATO with a rationale for its continued existence?

Or to provide the US with a reason to build the largest military base outside of the US since Vietnam - coincidentally perfectly positioned to protect the proposed AMBO pipeline as well as to 'project power' towards the caucauses?

> I believe in facts and in evidence - but not in post-Milosevic propaganda.

Would be nice if true. Your comments above say otherwise.

sorry, Mr. President, but: How many people live in South Ossetia?

and sorry again: were there NATO tanks in Nis or in other cities in Serbia - and did they stay there for weeks ??

sorry, Mr. President. you cannot claim anything, which you can compare with Kosovo. you could compare it only, if Kosovo would seek break away from Serbia with the goal of integration in the Republic of of Albania.

but thanks for telling the world today the truth, Mr. President from South Ossitia. why should Serbian people support you? when they support your goal, then it would be the same, like they would support Kosovo to become integral part of the Republic of Albania.

"Serbs had a well-organized state that provided for a normal life for Albanians."

They sure did. if you were serious, I hope the Russians provide you the same exact life.

S. Ossetia has no right to be independent. There lives only 70 000 people in S. Ossetia so you cant even call your self a city. Less a state.


800 000 albanians had to leave their homes to seek help in other countrys like Macedonia and Albania. If Nato woulden't bomb Serbia than there would be no albanians in Kosovo now. IS it right for an ''democratic'' country like Serbia to put fear in ''their own'' citizens and expell them from the country?

How many lives has you lost in S.Ossetia ? How many people have left their homes ?? It was the Russian army who killed georgian civilians not the gerogian army killing russians. You are just a little minority in georgia and you will never be a state.


You cannot compare to Kosovo because Kosovo has it's own goverment and is a real country with it's own flag and everything. You have nothing beside 70 000 citizens who wants trouble and don't leave georgia alone.


Stop wasting time bacause you will never be independent. Everybody knowes that. Even Serbia and serbs.

This selfproclaimed President must have had to much Vodka last night.

First, get some recognition for your country, someone other than Russia, than come and talk about Kosovo.

This is the funniest thing i have heard all day. Who is this guy???

I guess 70 000 people is not really ahuge pool of people to pick from. You gotta go ith what you have.

president? of what?the village of south ossetia should join the village of north ossetia and become a town.

The south Ossetian president said "Serbs had a well-organized state that provided for a normal life for Albanians."
Mr. President, I wish you get the same treatment from Russia as the albanians got from Serbia so then you will cry to go back to Georgia again.

rolerkoster:
> and sorry again: were there NATO tanks in Nis or in other cities in Serbia - and did they stay there for weeks ??

No, weren't any tanks. NATO merely bombed Serbia day & night for almost 3 months using up to 1,000 aircraft until the serbs finally threw in the towel.

And after NATO ran out of military targets, they started on all sorts of other infrastructure, regardless of the 'military relevance' of the targets - merely to keep up the bombing & their own credibility - dismissing & minimising civilian casualities as 'collateral damage.

But no.. there weren't any tanks.


PRN:
You'd think the newest 'pseudo-state' would recognise an older colleague wouldn't you.

Never mind, just keep repeating your mantra's.


Kicma PR:
Give 'em time - is only 70,000 of them unlike the teaming millions of K-albanians in Kosovo.

Isn't Belarus intending to recognise?

Well then, as some others like to say, is only a matter of time... so if 2 countries recognise in say 2 weeks, then could be 'accepted in a couple of years.

Isn't that how it goes ;)

South Ossetia and Abkhazia are going to be part of Russia very shortly so recognition means nothing. (ZK UK, 3 September 2008 00:25)
Should wolrd recognize the Republic of Presevo just legaly and later to join Republic of Kosovo. What about Republic of Vojvodina and later join Hungary, Sanzdak and later to join Bosnia.

"S. Ossetia won't recognize Kosovo"

This is such a sad news for Kosovo. Sejdiu and Thaci will not be able to sleep tonight and may ask Serbia for some help.

Soon 'Republika' Srpka Kraina will use the S. Ossetian example to do the same.

Poor Kosovar...:)

Oh please Adam, why don't you state the truth about that 800,000. Why don't you state that around 90% fled after NATO bombs started dropping on Serbia?

“Serbs had a well-organized state that provided for a normal life for Albanians.”

Oh, really?

(http://www.un.org/icty/glance/milosevic.htm)

The Albanians are very hilarious... Just let me remind some of the countries and the respective estimated population that recognized your silly pseudo-state: Monaco - 32,671; Liechtenstein - 35,322; Marshall Islands - 61,963; San Marino - 29,615; Nauru - 9,275!

This is just too much!

1. South Ossetia and Abkhazia should, if they are rational, be the first states that recognise Kosovo. It is Kosovo that gave them an explanation (i don't say reason) for the declaration of their own independencies. In order to see Kosovo as a precedent (which is not), they should promote the Kosovan independence movement.

2. How come that Russia betrays Serbia in front of the whole world by recognising S.Oss.&Abkh. independence, and nobody of relevance in Serbia even reacts to it?
Declaration of independence of Kosovo is not as shameful as this is. In Serbia's position i would suspend diplomatic relations with Russia and not with the rest of the world.

Is it me, who does not get something, or is it the world, that becomes more and more paranoid?

warm greetings from cold prishtina!

in response to: peter, sydney, 2 September 2008 15:53

you did'nt tell anything new to us - but you just presented one side of the truth. but you are right: there were no NATO tanks in Serbia in 1999. that's the difference to Russian tanks, which are in Georgia now. and in my first posting I said nothing else.

and Peter: what was the aim of the NATO campaign in 1999? you seem to be well informed, but why is only the Serbian truth the right version. sorry: I believe in facts and in evidence - but not in post-Milosevic propaganda.

http://www.un.org/icty/glance/milosevic.htm

ZK UK, what turning point? Oh you mean the new cold war when a Serbia surrounded by EU is siding with Russia? That's the turning point your talking about?
The West has recognised Kosovo - that is something concrete and real.

South Ossetia’s got independence after Russia’s aggression on Georgia. The Russian federation has taken away a slice of Georgian territory. I feel sincerely for the Georgian people especially those that have been ethnically cleansed from parts of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.”

Georgia had a well-organized state that provided for a normal life for all ethnicities. For this reason, what Russia has done to the Georgians is injustice,"

Our goal is to unite with North Ossetia, which is a part of the Russian Federation. All Ossetia’s people should live in one state. We find the position of the West unclear. Why are they now protecting the Tbilisi leadership,"

According to Eduard Kokoity all Albanians should live in one state?

When will people of influence start taking a position based on principal?

Oddly enough I support his people’s wish to be united under the one umbrella, however his position on Kosovo is definitely NOT based on principal.

The world's newest quasi states have no interest in baba quasi "Kosova". Funny funny.

as for the comment from Carlos from Portugal, if I am not wrong, bravo, you must be a carpenter, Carlos! you´ve just hit the nail! :)

that´s exactly what came to my mind, when I read these albanian kids trying to be cynical about the est. population of South Ossetia...

they just do not realize the main difference: South Ossetia has got a strong Russia nearby, while the K-albanians do not have anything similar in their vicinity.

Serbia is not only near, it´s all around them...

and Serbia is on the right side, not only legally but also in regard to morality.

Pheeze, get with it! South Ossetia and Abkhazia are going to be part of Russia very shortly so recognition means nothing. That's the price Georgia pays for siding with NATO.

Serbians will stand firm! We did it against the NAZIs and we will do it against NATO. The Albanians are very good at picking the wrong side just at the turning point.

To all K-Albanians and their bobblehead leadership:
Just a friendly reminder of history of Ossetia and Kososvo...
Ossetia declared it's independence in the EARLY 1990's when Georgia split from the USSR. Despite years of conflict with the Georgian's, they retained their independence (sort of) from Georgia since then. It only happened that NoOne recognized them as independent since the KOSOVO Precedent wasn't around yet.
Before you start spouting your Pristina elementary education history about K-Albanians being repressed and fighting for your "freedom" from the evil empires of Yugoslavia for the last ten thousand years, remember that until 02/17/08, NOONE has recognized you as independent! In fact, you never had your own VIABLE government or institutions until then... heck you still dont!
So stop saying that you are UNIQUE, that you matter more than Ossetia, Cyprus, Basque, Tibet, Kurdistan, etc. You are only fooling yourself.

""Pheeze, get with it! South Ossetia and Abkhazia are going to be part of Russia very shortly so recognition means nothing.

I think it`s a fair deal. The west gets Kosovo and the soviets get their two tiny republics. Whatever they need them for.

This is absolutely ridiculous. Because of these Kosovo Albanians and Ossetians, we might be on the brink of a war that might claim millions and millions of lives.

@ #8 Adam

Adam, even Western reports identify Georgia as the aggressor in this conflict. Georgia attacked S. Ossetia - probably under the delusion that NATO would step in if the Russians responded (actually not so bad a gamble considering the antics of George Bush).

Also, S. Ossetia does not want independence, it wants to join the Russian Federation.

But Adam, the best line you wrote "You cannot compare to Kosovo because Kosovo has it's own goverment and is a real country with it's own flag and everything." - with it's own flag and everything huh?

WOW! Too funny! I guess that's all any "state" needs to be a "real" country - a flag?

What do you mean by everything else? - perhaps cupcakes? Let's here it for Kosovo - the land of flags and cupcakes. Hilarious!

I am glad that South Ossetia won't recognize Kosovo. Afterall, Kosovo is part of Serbia.

Mr.Kokoity don't flatter yourself too much. Even if you wanted to recognize Kosovo's independence your opinion will be of no relevance. You do not consider S.O. as part of Georgia,you are not part of Russia and you are not independent either.You don't know where the hell you are yourself. You can make up stories about Kosovo that even the Serbs don't believe.

rolerkoster:
> you didn't tell anything new to us - but you just presented one side of the truth.

Well actually I was pointing out the inherent fallacy in your comparison between the russian intervention in Georgia & NATO's intervention in Serbia.

Here's what you said once again:
> and sorry again: were there NATO tanks in Nis or in other cities in Serbia - and did they stay there for weeks ??

Your implication in this is that NATO's intervention was the more 'restrained' of the two.

Which is quite frankly - rubbish.

While NATO didn't have a presence on the ground, it rained down bombs & missiles on Serbia for months.

When NATO ran out, or could not find military targets, rather than scaling back operations, they 'expanded' their target selection to civilian infrastructure & in the process, killed hundreds if not thousands of civilians.

Heaven forbid that NATO should 'lose face' by running out of targets.

And owing to the indiscriminate nature of bombs & missiles, HUNDREDS of women & children were killed.

Tell me please, how many women & children did the russians kill in the 3 days of military operations in Georgia?

Tell me please, how many bridges, television stations, hospitals & factories did the russians bomb &/or shell?

Tanks? No NATO didn't use tanks. They just committed mass murder.

> what was the aim of the NATO campaign in 1999?

Well let's see.

Was it perhaps to stop the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of slain K-albanians such as was claimed by Clinton & Blair? And which claim was later shown to be baseless?

Was it as a result of the so-called 'Racak Massacre' mentioned in that list of 'allegations' you provided? You know, the one that was staged?

Or perhaps it was to stop the 'ethnic cleansing'? Most of which occurred after the bombs started to fall? Strange indeed that after the war it was the serb population that had once again dropped markedly, while that of the K-albanians only grew.

Or was it perhaps to provide NATO with a rationale for its continued existence?

Or to provide the US with a reason to build the largest military base outside of the US since Vietnam - coincidentally perfectly positioned to protect the proposed AMBO pipeline as well as to 'project power' towards the caucauses?

> I believe in facts and in evidence - but not in post-Milosevic propaganda.

Would be nice if true. Your comments above say otherwise.