Willie Garvin
I recognize the problem I waited 1 year ( slightly shorter than you ) to know that my Master's degree is only valid for Bachelor in Serbia. Apparently the Serbian education system is superior to the rest of Europe including countries recognising the Bologna declaration.
However when it comes to the Pristina issued degrees Serba do have a very good point, since when in the hell has the subject "Albanism" any place on a civilized curriculum ? You folks want to know what it is all bout ? It a racial teaching on what it means to be Albanian.
As much as the Serbian education system as well as its evaluation procedures ( nostrifikacija ) needs an atom bomb to clean out the old dust, coming to Kosovo degrees, Serbs are spot on, those degrees are not worth the paper it is written on
Cheers
JA
Peggy what are you talking about? Of course there are many other language universities in other countries. There is a large number of American Universities in all sorts of countries where English is not their language and those diplomas are accepted.
If Serbia wants to do this simply for political reasons to spite Kosovo, then the state should finance and open an Albanian language university in southern Serbia. Macedonia tried to do the same to Albanians but in the end they had to accept two Albanian language universities in which even the Macedonians now go to study because of their better standard.
You mentioned my comments and asked me a question. Now here you have it: Offical recognition of diplomas by a country has nothing to do with finding a job in private companies.
A company will hire the person who the company believes is the best, and most of the companies never base their decision on diplomas (although it is important where you have studied).
What we are talking here is the official recognition by the government. Example: if you have a bachelor degree from Prishtina, you will have no problem to continue with your master studies in UK Universities. Or if you have a Master from Prishtina University, this will be recognised by any UK University if you wish to continue for a PHD there.
Finding a job has nothing to do with it. Companies employ the best and obviously UK companies do no think that people from Brasil or Poland are the best.
The Government in Belgrade is trying to deny to Albanians in Preshevo Valley any public position (teachers, geodesists, doctors, etc, etc, etc).
Now you're just typing out words for the sake of typing. I challange you to come to UK with Prishtina diploma, or Albanian diploma, and try to get a job!
I challange you!
People from Brazil come with PhDs in Biochemistry and work as kitchen porters.
Don't get carried away, and don't insult anyone's intelligence.
People from Lithuania and Poland have issues getting a job in their field in UK, and now you're selling us some air how Albanian diplomas are somehow up to the standard.
You can see how derogatory is the language used by some of the Serbian panel in here towards the Albanians in general and particularly the Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. The Serbs have to learn to speak also to "its" people otherwise it will forced into talks even Serbia would call it as "internal affairs". I have said in the past and repeat it that the Albanians in Preseva, Bujanovc and Medveghja should have exactely the same rights as Serbs living in northern Mitrovica otherwise will have more forced "negotiations"
I have a Masters Degree from one of the best known and respectable UK universities and a similar post-graduate diploma from the top US College/University in my subject area.
I paid 76,000 din to Belgrade University to "nostrifikacija" my UK/US qualifications and finally, after 21 months of waiting, they responded that my degrees was not good enough!
I don't see why anybody else should get more preferential treatment.
>> "If Halimi doesn't like the decision," Obradović said today, "that's is his problem.”
Back to the good old days of Rankovic and Slobodan. Be careful Serbs, it soon may become your problem. 20% of Serbia are minorities, and I mean without Kosova. The last round started with how you treated Albanians as well.
I am driving through Serbia once a month. From now on, I will not recognise the police at the border and don't greet him in Serbian. When I refill my car at the gas station, I will not recoginise the menu, and try to order Skenderbeg stake insted of Karageorge stake.
Also, I don't recognise the rain and drefuse to use an umbrella. Or just simply don't recognise the whole world and shoot myself out to Mars...
The university of Priština is an illegally seized property and provides diplomas for work levels below international standards, not to mention its ugly. The library looks like a "space mosque".
However, I think its a mistake to reject Pristina diplomas. Belgrade should be showing its Albanian minority that it enjoys full rights in Serbia and encouraging educated Albanians to travel to, work or study in Belgrade if they so choose. This can only impact positively for the Serbian minority in Kosovo. I truly think that some Albanians believe that it is just as bad being an Albanian living in Serbia proper as it is being a Serb living in Kosovo. It is not.
Whilst accepting these certificates it should be made clear that this does not assume that Serbia recognises Kosovo.
No, let not just say no for the sake of saying no.
It is really sad when the decision to accept university credentials is based on politics rather than academic issues, and in this case it is obviously politics that has trumped.
it is only one of so many examples that will not allow us to take seriously all of the protestations that serbia now possesses a "democratic, pro-western" regime...
Diplomas of all elementary and high schools in Kosovo as well as diplomas of the University of Prishtina are recognized in all bigger EUR countries (Germany, France, UK, Italy, Austria, etc).
The Government in Belgrade is clearly continuing its propaganda and it is basing its desicions on prejudice and political issues.
It is as simple as that. How else are the same diplomas recognized all over European Union. It is because the EU countries have seriously considered the issue and accepted the diplomas based on education quality criteria.
Belgrade has never done this. Its simple prejudice and propaganda, if not apartheid for Albanians in Preshevo Valley.
It is not a problem that is unique to Kosovo/Serbia. Immigrants that comes to Denmark often find that their university diplomas, engineering certifications, doctors degree, etc, are useless, and they are forced to take a job as taxi drivers. Sad, but true.
It is not about the human rights. Serbian Albanians can study at any university in Serbia (Belgrade, Novi Sad...). I know a few. If they want to study in Albanian language, they can go to Tirana or Shkodra
adam:
Maybe Serbia won't reconize our state Kosovo but that will only make Serbias road to EU even longer. It's not a secret that without reconizing Kosovo there is no EU-entery.
and then suddenly you woke up and you realized that it was only dream. Recognizing of fake state Kosovo is not mandatory for Serbia and it will not even slow down Serbias way to EU, but than if Kosovo wants to join EU all members has to agree with this - and what does it mean - Kosovo will stay in front of EU gate and for sure in the dark :-))
It shows how few rights minoritys got in Serbia. While serbs in the republic of Kosovo is granted greater rights than in the EU countrys Serbia dosent offer nothing for the minórity albanians in South Serbia. This albanians is often asulted and terrorised by the serbian MUP. They have no rights at all.
If Serbia and Kosovo would talk it would be this kind of issues. Not the Kosovo status because that is allready settled. Maybe Serbia won't reconize our state Kosovo but that will only make Serbias road to EU even longer. It's not a secret that without reconizing Kosovo there is no EU-entery. That stands even for Montenegro and Macedonia. It will be a breaking point very soon.
The reality is that Kosovo is an independent state with it's own goverment,police,helth administration,custom service, own language and constitution. Almost 50 states had reconized us in just a cople of months. Its 1/4 of of the world countrys. Almost the whole EU and if EU want to unite then all have to reconize Kosovo. It will continue this way.
Dear serbs, stop dreaming because in the real world(WEST) Kosovo is a real country. Dont expect any help from the ruins(EAST). ;)
what about the diplomas from the Mitrovica university - if Pristina diplomas are pretend then Mitrovica diplomas are no better. If those are accepted then it is clearly a case of ethnic discrimination.
That is because the Serbian government wants to keep the Albanians from going to schools, by doing this they will keep the Albanians from getting jobs, having a better life, etc,etc.
STOP THE APARTHEID IN PRESHEVO!!!!
Also on B92 today: Classes for about 200 schoolchildren in the Gora municipality in Kosovo did not start on Monday because the Kosovo government wants them to use the Kosovo instead of the Serbian curriculum.
Today, another ethnic Albanian leader from the region, Bujanovac municipal president Seip Kamberi, said that the decision is "unacceptable for Albanians", and that they "will be forced to react fiercely" unless agreement is reached with the ministry of education.
--
Wow, Belgrade doesn't accept pretend diplomas and this Albanian leader is talking about war!
Someone should tell him not to worry as McDonalds will still accept them.
Think about it and it makes perfect sense. Who does this affect, not the people in Kosovo but the Albanians living in Serbia now. Isn't this history repeating itself. In order for their education to be accepted they will have to move out of Serbia. I think there is a phrase that covers that, now what is it ethnic something??
That was very good decision that I hoped for. These quasi diplomas cannot be recognised and used inside Serbia. Who ever in the EU or USA wish to recognise them it is up to them but Belgrade won’t. Those students from Presevo can stay in Kosovo and offer their skills.
Today, another ethnic Albanian leader from the region, Bujanovac municipal president Seip Kamberi, said that the decision is "unacceptable for Albanians", and that they "will be forced to react fiercely" unless agreement is reached with the ministry of education.
--
Wow, Belgrade doesn't accept pretend diplomas and this Albanian leader is talking about war!
Someone should tell him not to worry as McDonalds will still accept them.
That is because the Serbian government wants to keep the Albanians from going to schools, by doing this they will keep the Albanians from getting jobs, having a better life, etc,etc.
STOP THE APARTHEID IN PRESHEVO!!!!
That was very good decision that I hoped for. These quasi diplomas cannot be recognised and used inside Serbia. Who ever in the EU or USA wish to recognise them it is up to them but Belgrade won’t. Those students from Presevo can stay in Kosovo and offer their skills.
Think about it and it makes perfect sense. Who does this affect, not the people in Kosovo but the Albanians living in Serbia now. Isn't this history repeating itself. In order for their education to be accepted they will have to move out of Serbia. I think there is a phrase that covers that, now what is it ethnic something??
It shows how few rights minoritys got in Serbia. While serbs in the republic of Kosovo is granted greater rights than in the EU countrys Serbia dosent offer nothing for the minórity albanians in South Serbia. This albanians is often asulted and terrorised by the serbian MUP. They have no rights at all.
If Serbia and Kosovo would talk it would be this kind of issues. Not the Kosovo status because that is allready settled. Maybe Serbia won't reconize our state Kosovo but that will only make Serbias road to EU even longer. It's not a secret that without reconizing Kosovo there is no EU-entery. That stands even for Montenegro and Macedonia. It will be a breaking point very soon.
The reality is that Kosovo is an independent state with it's own goverment,police,helth administration,custom service, own language and constitution. Almost 50 states had reconized us in just a cople of months. Its 1/4 of of the world countrys. Almost the whole EU and if EU want to unite then all have to reconize Kosovo. It will continue this way.
Dear serbs, stop dreaming because in the real world(WEST) Kosovo is a real country. Dont expect any help from the ruins(EAST). ;)
adam:
Maybe Serbia won't reconize our state Kosovo but that will only make Serbias road to EU even longer. It's not a secret that without reconizing Kosovo there is no EU-entery.
and then suddenly you woke up and you realized that it was only dream. Recognizing of fake state Kosovo is not mandatory for Serbia and it will not even slow down Serbias way to EU, but than if Kosovo wants to join EU all members has to agree with this - and what does it mean - Kosovo will stay in front of EU gate and for sure in the dark :-))
Also on B92 today: Classes for about 200 schoolchildren in the Gora municipality in Kosovo did not start on Monday because the Kosovo government wants them to use the Kosovo instead of the Serbian curriculum.
what about the diplomas from the Mitrovica university - if Pristina diplomas are pretend then Mitrovica diplomas are no better. If those are accepted then it is clearly a case of ethnic discrimination.
However, I think its a mistake to reject Pristina diplomas. Belgrade should be showing its Albanian minority that it enjoys full rights in Serbia and encouraging educated Albanians to travel to, work or study in Belgrade if they so choose. This can only impact positively for the Serbian minority in Kosovo. I truly think that some Albanians believe that it is just as bad being an Albanian living in Serbia proper as it is being a Serb living in Kosovo. It is not.
Whilst accepting these certificates it should be made clear that this does not assume that Serbia recognises Kosovo.
No, let not just say no for the sake of saying no.
Now you're just typing out words for the sake of typing. I challange you to come to UK with Prishtina diploma, or Albanian diploma, and try to get a job!
I challange you!
People from Brazil come with PhDs in Biochemistry and work as kitchen porters.
Don't get carried away, and don't insult anyone's intelligence.
People from Lithuania and Poland have issues getting a job in their field in UK, and now you're selling us some air how Albanian diplomas are somehow up to the standard.
I am driving through Serbia once a month. From now on, I will not recognise the police at the border and don't greet him in Serbian. When I refill my car at the gas station, I will not recoginise the menu, and try to order Skenderbeg stake insted of Karageorge stake.
Also, I don't recognise the rain and drefuse to use an umbrella. Or just simply don't recognise the whole world and shoot myself out to Mars...
Diplomas of all elementary and high schools in Kosovo as well as diplomas of the University of Prishtina are recognized in all bigger EUR countries (Germany, France, UK, Italy, Austria, etc).
The Government in Belgrade is clearly continuing its propaganda and it is basing its desicions on prejudice and political issues.
It is as simple as that. How else are the same diplomas recognized all over European Union. It is because the EU countries have seriously considered the issue and accepted the diplomas based on education quality criteria.
Belgrade has never done this. Its simple prejudice and propaganda, if not apartheid for Albanians in Preshevo Valley.
>> "If Halimi doesn't like the decision," Obradović said today, "that's is his problem.”
Back to the good old days of Rankovic and Slobodan. Be careful Serbs, it soon may become your problem. 20% of Serbia are minorities, and I mean without Kosova. The last round started with how you treated Albanians as well.
It is not a problem that is unique to Kosovo/Serbia. Immigrants that comes to Denmark often find that their university diplomas, engineering certifications, doctors degree, etc, are useless, and they are forced to take a job as taxi drivers. Sad, but true.
I have a Masters Degree from one of the best known and respectable UK universities and a similar post-graduate diploma from the top US College/University in my subject area.
I paid 76,000 din to Belgrade University to "nostrifikacija" my UK/US qualifications and finally, after 21 months of waiting, they responded that my degrees was not good enough!
I don't see why anybody else should get more preferential treatment.
The university of Priština is an illegally seized property and provides diplomas for work levels below international standards, not to mention its ugly. The library looks like a "space mosque".
You can see how derogatory is the language used by some of the Serbian panel in here towards the Albanians in general and particularly the Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. The Serbs have to learn to speak also to "its" people otherwise it will forced into talks even Serbia would call it as "internal affairs". I have said in the past and repeat it that the Albanians in Preseva, Bujanovc and Medveghja should have exactely the same rights as Serbs living in northern Mitrovica otherwise will have more forced "negotiations"
It is not about the human rights. Serbian Albanians can study at any university in Serbia (Belgrade, Novi Sad...). I know a few. If they want to study in Albanian language, they can go to Tirana or Shkodra
Willie Garvin
I recognize the problem I waited 1 year ( slightly shorter than you ) to know that my Master's degree is only valid for Bachelor in Serbia. Apparently the Serbian education system is superior to the rest of Europe including countries recognising the Bologna declaration.
However when it comes to the Pristina issued degrees Serba do have a very good point, since when in the hell has the subject "Albanism" any place on a civilized curriculum ? You folks want to know what it is all bout ? It a racial teaching on what it means to be Albanian.
As much as the Serbian education system as well as its evaluation procedures ( nostrifikacija ) needs an atom bomb to clean out the old dust, coming to Kosovo degrees, Serbs are spot on, those degrees are not worth the paper it is written on
Cheers
JA
It is really sad when the decision to accept university credentials is based on politics rather than academic issues, and in this case it is obviously politics that has trumped.
it is only one of so many examples that will not allow us to take seriously all of the protestations that serbia now possesses a "democratic, pro-western" regime...
Peggy what are you talking about? Of course there are many other language universities in other countries. There is a large number of American Universities in all sorts of countries where English is not their language and those diplomas are accepted.
If Serbia wants to do this simply for political reasons to spite Kosovo, then the state should finance and open an Albanian language university in southern Serbia. Macedonia tried to do the same to Albanians but in the end they had to accept two Albanian language universities in which even the Macedonians now go to study because of their better standard.
You mentioned my comments and asked me a question. Now here you have it: Offical recognition of diplomas by a country has nothing to do with finding a job in private companies.
A company will hire the person who the company believes is the best, and most of the companies never base their decision on diplomas (although it is important where you have studied).
What we are talking here is the official recognition by the government. Example: if you have a bachelor degree from Prishtina, you will have no problem to continue with your master studies in UK Universities. Or if you have a Master from Prishtina University, this will be recognised by any UK University if you wish to continue for a PHD there.
Finding a job has nothing to do with it. Companies employ the best and obviously UK companies do no think that people from Brasil or Poland are the best.
The Government in Belgrade is trying to deny to Albanians in Preshevo Valley any public position (teachers, geodesists, doctors, etc, etc, etc).
It shows how few rights minoritys got in Serbia. While serbs in the republic of Kosovo is granted greater rights than in the EU countrys Serbia dosent offer nothing for the minórity albanians in South Serbia. This albanians is often asulted and terrorised by the serbian MUP. They have no rights at all.
If Serbia and Kosovo would talk it would be this kind of issues. Not the Kosovo status because that is allready settled. Maybe Serbia won't reconize our state Kosovo but that will only make Serbias road to EU even longer. It's not a secret that without reconizing Kosovo there is no EU-entery. That stands even for Montenegro and Macedonia. It will be a breaking point very soon.
The reality is that Kosovo is an independent state with it's own goverment,police,helth administration,custom service, own language and constitution. Almost 50 states had reconized us in just a cople of months. Its 1/4 of of the world countrys. Almost the whole EU and if EU want to unite then all have to reconize Kosovo. It will continue this way.
Dear serbs, stop dreaming because in the real world(WEST) Kosovo is a real country. Dont expect any help from the ruins(EAST). ;)
That is because the Serbian government wants to keep the Albanians from going to schools, by doing this they will keep the Albanians from getting jobs, having a better life, etc,etc.
STOP THE APARTHEID IN PRESHEVO!!!!
That was very good decision that I hoped for. These quasi diplomas cannot be recognised and used inside Serbia. Who ever in the EU or USA wish to recognise them it is up to them but Belgrade won’t. Those students from Presevo can stay in Kosovo and offer their skills.
Today, another ethnic Albanian leader from the region, Bujanovac municipal president Seip Kamberi, said that the decision is "unacceptable for Albanians", and that they "will be forced to react fiercely" unless agreement is reached with the ministry of education.
--
Wow, Belgrade doesn't accept pretend diplomas and this Albanian leader is talking about war!
Someone should tell him not to worry as McDonalds will still accept them.
what about the diplomas from the Mitrovica university - if Pristina diplomas are pretend then Mitrovica diplomas are no better. If those are accepted then it is clearly a case of ethnic discrimination.
Think about it and it makes perfect sense. Who does this affect, not the people in Kosovo but the Albanians living in Serbia now. Isn't this history repeating itself. In order for their education to be accepted they will have to move out of Serbia. I think there is a phrase that covers that, now what is it ethnic something??
I am driving through Serbia once a month. From now on, I will not recognise the police at the border and don't greet him in Serbian. When I refill my car at the gas station, I will not recoginise the menu, and try to order Skenderbeg stake insted of Karageorge stake.
Also, I don't recognise the rain and drefuse to use an umbrella. Or just simply don't recognise the whole world and shoot myself out to Mars...
adam:
Maybe Serbia won't reconize our state Kosovo but that will only make Serbias road to EU even longer. It's not a secret that without reconizing Kosovo there is no EU-entery.
and then suddenly you woke up and you realized that it was only dream. Recognizing of fake state Kosovo is not mandatory for Serbia and it will not even slow down Serbias way to EU, but than if Kosovo wants to join EU all members has to agree with this - and what does it mean - Kosovo will stay in front of EU gate and for sure in the dark :-))
It is not about the human rights. Serbian Albanians can study at any university in Serbia (Belgrade, Novi Sad...). I know a few. If they want to study in Albanian language, they can go to Tirana or Shkodra
>> "If Halimi doesn't like the decision," Obradović said today, "that's is his problem.”
Back to the good old days of Rankovic and Slobodan. Be careful Serbs, it soon may become your problem. 20% of Serbia are minorities, and I mean without Kosova. The last round started with how you treated Albanians as well.
The university of Priština is an illegally seized property and provides diplomas for work levels below international standards, not to mention its ugly. The library looks like a "space mosque".
It is really sad when the decision to accept university credentials is based on politics rather than academic issues, and in this case it is obviously politics that has trumped.
it is only one of so many examples that will not allow us to take seriously all of the protestations that serbia now possesses a "democratic, pro-western" regime...
Diplomas of all elementary and high schools in Kosovo as well as diplomas of the University of Prishtina are recognized in all bigger EUR countries (Germany, France, UK, Italy, Austria, etc).
The Government in Belgrade is clearly continuing its propaganda and it is basing its desicions on prejudice and political issues.
It is as simple as that. How else are the same diplomas recognized all over European Union. It is because the EU countries have seriously considered the issue and accepted the diplomas based on education quality criteria.
Belgrade has never done this. Its simple prejudice and propaganda, if not apartheid for Albanians in Preshevo Valley.
I have a Masters Degree from one of the best known and respectable UK universities and a similar post-graduate diploma from the top US College/University in my subject area.
I paid 76,000 din to Belgrade University to "nostrifikacija" my UK/US qualifications and finally, after 21 months of waiting, they responded that my degrees was not good enough!
I don't see why anybody else should get more preferential treatment.
You can see how derogatory is the language used by some of the Serbian panel in here towards the Albanians in general and particularly the Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. The Serbs have to learn to speak also to "its" people otherwise it will forced into talks even Serbia would call it as "internal affairs". I have said in the past and repeat it that the Albanians in Preseva, Bujanovc and Medveghja should have exactely the same rights as Serbs living in northern Mitrovica otherwise will have more forced "negotiations"
You mentioned my comments and asked me a question. Now here you have it: Offical recognition of diplomas by a country has nothing to do with finding a job in private companies.
A company will hire the person who the company believes is the best, and most of the companies never base their decision on diplomas (although it is important where you have studied).
What we are talking here is the official recognition by the government. Example: if you have a bachelor degree from Prishtina, you will have no problem to continue with your master studies in UK Universities. Or if you have a Master from Prishtina University, this will be recognised by any UK University if you wish to continue for a PHD there.
Finding a job has nothing to do with it. Companies employ the best and obviously UK companies do no think that people from Brasil or Poland are the best.
The Government in Belgrade is trying to deny to Albanians in Preshevo Valley any public position (teachers, geodesists, doctors, etc, etc, etc).
Peggy what are you talking about? Of course there are many other language universities in other countries. There is a large number of American Universities in all sorts of countries where English is not their language and those diplomas are accepted.
If Serbia wants to do this simply for political reasons to spite Kosovo, then the state should finance and open an Albanian language university in southern Serbia. Macedonia tried to do the same to Albanians but in the end they had to accept two Albanian language universities in which even the Macedonians now go to study because of their better standard.
Also on B92 today: Classes for about 200 schoolchildren in the Gora municipality in Kosovo did not start on Monday because the Kosovo government wants them to use the Kosovo instead of the Serbian curriculum.
However, I think its a mistake to reject Pristina diplomas. Belgrade should be showing its Albanian minority that it enjoys full rights in Serbia and encouraging educated Albanians to travel to, work or study in Belgrade if they so choose. This can only impact positively for the Serbian minority in Kosovo. I truly think that some Albanians believe that it is just as bad being an Albanian living in Serbia proper as it is being a Serb living in Kosovo. It is not.
Whilst accepting these certificates it should be made clear that this does not assume that Serbia recognises Kosovo.
No, let not just say no for the sake of saying no.
It is not a problem that is unique to Kosovo/Serbia. Immigrants that comes to Denmark often find that their university diplomas, engineering certifications, doctors degree, etc, are useless, and they are forced to take a job as taxi drivers. Sad, but true.
Now you're just typing out words for the sake of typing. I challange you to come to UK with Prishtina diploma, or Albanian diploma, and try to get a job!
I challange you!
People from Brazil come with PhDs in Biochemistry and work as kitchen porters.
Don't get carried away, and don't insult anyone's intelligence.
People from Lithuania and Poland have issues getting a job in their field in UK, and now you're selling us some air how Albanian diplomas are somehow up to the standard.
Willie Garvin
I recognize the problem I waited 1 year ( slightly shorter than you ) to know that my Master's degree is only valid for Bachelor in Serbia. Apparently the Serbian education system is superior to the rest of Europe including countries recognising the Bologna declaration.
However when it comes to the Pristina issued degrees Serba do have a very good point, since when in the hell has the subject "Albanism" any place on a civilized curriculum ? You folks want to know what it is all bout ? It a racial teaching on what it means to be Albanian.
As much as the Serbian education system as well as its evaluation procedures ( nostrifikacija ) needs an atom bomb to clean out the old dust, coming to Kosovo degrees, Serbs are spot on, those degrees are not worth the paper it is written on
Cheers
JA
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