Rupel: Kosovo-Georgia comparison "stupid"

Stupid indeed!
It is obvious that the Kosova issue was discussed for a long time in Rambue and Wien for months between serbs and kosovars and Marti Ahtisari a UN envoy sugested a plan which kosovars accepted although it mentpainfull compromises which in fact means that 4 prosent of popullation who are serbs got lots of rights which no minority even those of 30 prosent has in other states. But this is Ok cause kosovaalbanians wishis their fellowcitizens the best but the reason why kosovaserbs are not profitting from this is that they are sabotaging and workin actively against Kosova independence guided by Belgrade and Moskwa.

“I don’t know how many times we’ve said that the Kosovo problem is sui generis and that in the case of Kosovo there was coordinated action by the international community,“ said Rupel

Well, you can say it a million times and it still won't be so.
What, just because you keep saying it you think we must accept it?

Get real here, there is nothing unique about Kosovo. Until you show us exactly where the unique is then just stop wasting your time by repeating yourself. Frankly it makes you look like a parrot.

I don't know how many times most of the world keeps saying that the Georgia conflict is directly connected to Kosovo yet you won't accept that.

Man this guy says some really extraordinary stuff. Must be the EU presidency euphoria. Well lets go through the interesting ones:


�I don�t know how many times we�ve said that the Kosovo problem is sui generis and that in the case of Kosovo there was coordinated action by the international community,� said Rupel

You can say it as many times as you want Rupel it's not going to change anything. Man if the "international community" was a person it would have to be the biggest punching bag there is. How many times do we have to guess what that phrase means and who exactly makes up the international community. Politicians are very good with words this way... unfortunately most people cannot see throught this, that's why politicians will be the end of humanity as we know it... a political experiment if you will.


�That was agreed on with our Kosovo friends too,�

What about agreeing with your Serbian friends? It seems that the Serbs (according to him) are not actually part of the Kosovo issue... hmmm. Isn't it interesting how there is no mention of the Serbia in any of his quotes even though he mostly talks about the southern Serbian province?


�Slovenia does not particularly favor sanctions for the Russian Federation...I think that confrontation could be counter-productive and pointless"

Yep, that is because you (EU) have more to loose than to gain in such a confrontation. In fact if anyone gains anything from any sanctions on RF it will be USA while the poor europas have to find an alternative energy provider.

What is stupid here, that for months people have been saying that the Kosovo example might be applied in Osetia and further afield? Now that it has happened we are told the link is stupid. Well, stupid or not, it is happening. Were international politics experts who predicted this stupid, or in fact was it those who kept saying the Kosovo case was unique who were stupid?

By overstepping the mark perhaps Serbia should make an issue out of it, if Rupel wants to make an international incident out of this, through his own stupidity, then Serbia should oblige. Calling Serbian state policy stupid is not only something that a diplomat should apologise for saying but it is interference. Rupel should be reminded that Serbia does not make statements to the media on Slovenian state policy.

What a fool to draw more attention to the situation. Quite stupid in fact.

Rupel saying the word stupid....pot-kettle-black me thinks.

Just because the West said Kosovo is sui generis does not make it so. What about Palestine!!!!

Rupel, you had your moment when held the rolling 'chair'. Now get back in your box and stop making a fool of yourself.

So the Kosovo issue was 'sui generis' yet you go on to say that, "Georgia should be told that as a sovereign state it had obligations, not just rights, as this was “a difficult issue of multi-ethnic territory, a problem of intercultural understanding and co-existence, such as we experienced in the former Yugoslavia, which is why it would not be good to renounce our principles.“
Oh my, that just screams hypocrisy! Who are they trying to fool? If I pulled such a stunt with friends or even in a courtroom, I'd be pulled up for not making sense. No wonder Islamic extremists find reasoning with what they're doing, when you have idiots like this telling you the sky is green!

“I don’t know how many times we’ve said that the Kosovo problem is sui generis and that in the case of Kosovo there was coordinated action by the international community,“ said Rupel,

What an amazing explanation. I am so impressed by Rupel’s constructive explanation, his extraordinary political skills and experience on Kosovo complexity and its uniqueness.

Perhaps this American puppet and his European palls think that by using term sui generis people won’t understand what all is about and that they are going to outsmart us all. But surprise, surprise it turns out that people are cleverer than these American puppets calculated. The only one to be compared with stupidity is the bunch of so called EU diplomats. I am sure Rupel leads in his stupidity and silliness by taking orders from his masters and learning them now by heart in order to avoid some information liking as it happened some weeks prior to Kosovo’s UDI.

So Mr Rupel, it takes a bit more to explain what distinguishes Ostia and Kosovo cases (if there is any real difference) than to just repeat “We sad so many times Kosovo is unique case”.

Rupel!! i think that last word in the title of this article apply more to you!! because you have never been neutral on the kosovo issue but biased in favor of the albanians.

I've yet to hear a convincing argument for Kosovo Province's "sui generis" case. All I've heard so far from EUrocrats and State Department flunkies, along with their Albanian bobble-heading yes-men is that Kosovo is unique because they said so. Not a good enough case. In fact, ever since February 17, I haven't heard one decent argument for why anyone should regard Kosovo as a sovereign state.

Both the territorial integrity of Georgia AND Serbia need to be respected. One can't be defended and the other abused simply because one's foreign policy agrees with yours and the other doesn't.

Rupel still speaks like he is running the EU presidency. Well, that is the past just like his ideas and opinions. The world has moved on and changed so I suggest someone remind Rupel of his insignificance and to get an update. I'm surprised B92 even gave this person air time. What next? Interviewing kindergarten children?

if I as an individual, being a private person here, say that some comments are stupid, that´s okay...

but if an official choses that way to speak about other opinions... jesus, the independence-supporters must be quite nervous, I guess.

given that Mr.Rupel seems to be a proxy of the US-state-department, as we have learned by another ( former )slovenian official... this is quite intersting.

let´s just see what future brings! :)

Now, he's saying "a problem of intercultural understanding and co-existence, such as we experienced in the former Yugoslavia." This is obviously something he doesn't believe in, since Slovenia was the first to start the wars of ethnically-based secession in the Former Yugoslavia. His position on Kosovo is yet another example of his multicultural concept. Right up until Georgia, Rupel and Slovenia have supported monoethnic secession over multiculturalism.

They help set this precedent and now are trying to package it as "only where Sui Generis by our definition (yet to be defined)."

It appears his and their EU definition of Sui Generis means "only when it serves our interest." How else can their lack of true negotiation process and ultimate decision be interpreted. It doesn't work that way in law, whether physics or otherwise.

Dimitrij Rupel is right regarding to the cases of Kosovo and Georgia.

Anyway, I think each separatist-ethinc-border issue in the world has its own characteristics -- they cannot be decided by just one parameter, one “law”, as it happens in physics.

The Kosovo case is more similar, for example, with the case of East Timor, though both are not the same.

So when you say "there was coordinated action by the international community" you think this is justified. Yes "there was coordinated action by the international community" but it was based on a lie, on a storey you kept saying a million times like what Tony Blair said about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, which were lies again and again.

if Albania was Russia and attacked Serbia to 'make Presheva a state' but in reality to annex it than we'd say is similar.

Read this : South Ossetia seeks to merge with Russia http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/2644044/Georgia-conflict-South-Ossetia-seeks-to-merge-with-Russia.html

Kosovo issue was 'sui generis' as Rupel is. When we hear the same stupid expression ,we start to think that there must be someone who needs medical help!

Rupel is right. To compare Kosovo and Georgia is stupid. Georgia is internationally recognized UN memeber state. Kosovo isn't. Georgia didn't declare independence unilaterally, Kosovo did, etc.
Kosovo can't be compared to Georgia, only to South Ossetia.

Slloveia was the richest Republic in former Yougoslavia and the most advanced and tolerant one, because they were led and are led by people like Mr Rupel.He is so right about comparing Kosova and Georgia. Russia is comparing south ossetia and Abkhazia with Kosova. Leaving everything else aside,Here is why is stupid.South Ossetia-Population 70.000 Abkhazia-Population 250.000 Kosova-Population 2.2 Milion this are facts, yet you will hear the argument that can Kosova be a viable country.But russians seem to think that,South Ossetia,Abkhazia will be viable country's. Well what can i say i am counfused can somebody please,please explain this to me.

When they say that "Kosovo's case is unique", they don't talk only about the circumstances that make Kosovo unique. They also talk about their intentions. They supported Kosovo. Without the "West" support Kosovo wouldn't have gotten so far. So really they are also saying that they won't support any other cases around the world.

"All I've heard so far from EUrocrats and State Department flunkies, along with their Albanian bobble-heading yes-men is that Kosovo is unique because they said so. Not a good enough case."

The reality contradicts you Mike.

Kostunica blocked the negotiations for 8 years. Just ignored the core of the problem (Albanians in Kosovo and their will), like so many Serbian politicians before of him had done. Perhaps Djindjic would have done something useful for both sides, but he was killed.

The Kosovo case is more similar, for example, with the case of East Timor, though both are not the same.
(Bad Gorilla, 30 August 2008 13:36)

Wrong Bad Gorilla.

You are contradicting yourself with that statement. The cases of Kosmet and Timor-Leste are in fact completely dissimilar if anything. The Autonomous Province of Kosmet is an integral part of the Republic of Serbia and is recognised as such under International Law. The UDI of Pristina is only partially recognised and is illegal due to Belgrade's insistence that it is part of Serbia. The only way you guys can ever have your legal status resolved is by entering into a bilateral agreement with Belgrade, i.e. they recognise you. That my friend isnt going to happen so get ready for many decades of isolation and poverty.

Timor-Leste on the otherhand was ruled directly by Lisbon up to 6 December 1975 when Indonesian army invaded under the tacit approval of Australia and the US. Timor-Leste & Portuguese Governor Mario-Soares Lemes had been in the process of negotiations to de-colonise the territory after the Marxist FRETLIN Party declared independence from Portugal on 28 November 1975. When Indonesia invaded, the Portuguese fled thereby stalling the talks between Fretlin and Lisbon which resulted in the Indonesian occupation being declared illegal as Portuguese had not finished finalising the handing over power to the democratically elected government in Dili.

Therefore Indonesia's occupation was not recognised and until April 2002, Timor-Leste was recognised by the UN as Portuguese Timor until the issue was finally resolved and under agreement between Jakarta, UN and Lisbon, Timor-Leste became independent.

Now spot the difference. Timor-Leste is legal. You're not.

I don't know how many times most of the world keeps saying that the Georgia conflict is directly connected to Kosovo yet you won't accept that.
(Peggy, 30 August 2008 11:04)

sorry Peggy, but Mr. Rupel said exactly, why to compare Kosovo and South Ossetia is stupid, but you do don't any reason.

and sorry again: not the whole world is saying the same like you.

Stupid indeed!
It is obvious that the Kosova issue was discussed for a long time in Rambue and Wien for months between serbs and kosovars and Marti Ahtisari a UN envoy sugested a plan which kosovars accepted although it mentpainfull compromises which in fact means that 4 prosent of popullation who are serbs got lots of rights which no minority even those of 30 prosent has in other states. But this is Ok cause kosovaalbanians wishis their fellowcitizens the best but the reason why kosovaserbs are not profitting from this is that they are sabotaging and workin actively against Kosova independence guided by Belgrade and Moskwa.

“I don’t know how many times we’ve said that the Kosovo problem is sui generis and that in the case of Kosovo there was coordinated action by the international community,“ said Rupel

Well, you can say it a million times and it still won't be so.
What, just because you keep saying it you think we must accept it?

Get real here, there is nothing unique about Kosovo. Until you show us exactly where the unique is then just stop wasting your time by repeating yourself. Frankly it makes you look like a parrot.

I don't know how many times most of the world keeps saying that the Georgia conflict is directly connected to Kosovo yet you won't accept that.

Dimitrij Rupel is right regarding to the cases of Kosovo and Georgia.

Anyway, I think each separatist-ethinc-border issue in the world has its own characteristics -- they cannot be decided by just one parameter, one “law”, as it happens in physics.

The Kosovo case is more similar, for example, with the case of East Timor, though both are not the same.

Slloveia was the richest Republic in former Yougoslavia and the most advanced and tolerant one, because they were led and are led by people like Mr Rupel.He is so right about comparing Kosova and Georgia. Russia is comparing south ossetia and Abkhazia with Kosova. Leaving everything else aside,Here is why is stupid.South Ossetia-Population 70.000 Abkhazia-Population 250.000 Kosova-Population 2.2 Milion this are facts, yet you will hear the argument that can Kosova be a viable country.But russians seem to think that,South Ossetia,Abkhazia will be viable country's. Well what can i say i am counfused can somebody please,please explain this to me.

Rupel!! i think that last word in the title of this article apply more to you!! because you have never been neutral on the kosovo issue but biased in favor of the albanians.

if Albania was Russia and attacked Serbia to 'make Presheva a state' but in reality to annex it than we'd say is similar.

Read this : South Ossetia seeks to merge with Russia http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/2644044/Georgia-conflict-South-Ossetia-seeks-to-merge-with-Russia.html

Rupel saying the word stupid....pot-kettle-black me thinks.

Just because the West said Kosovo is sui generis does not make it so. What about Palestine!!!!

Rupel, you had your moment when held the rolling 'chair'. Now get back in your box and stop making a fool of yourself.

Man this guy says some really extraordinary stuff. Must be the EU presidency euphoria. Well lets go through the interesting ones:


�I don�t know how many times we�ve said that the Kosovo problem is sui generis and that in the case of Kosovo there was coordinated action by the international community,� said Rupel

You can say it as many times as you want Rupel it's not going to change anything. Man if the "international community" was a person it would have to be the biggest punching bag there is. How many times do we have to guess what that phrase means and who exactly makes up the international community. Politicians are very good with words this way... unfortunately most people cannot see throught this, that's why politicians will be the end of humanity as we know it... a political experiment if you will.


�That was agreed on with our Kosovo friends too,�

What about agreeing with your Serbian friends? It seems that the Serbs (according to him) are not actually part of the Kosovo issue... hmmm. Isn't it interesting how there is no mention of the Serbia in any of his quotes even though he mostly talks about the southern Serbian province?


�Slovenia does not particularly favor sanctions for the Russian Federation...I think that confrontation could be counter-productive and pointless"

Yep, that is because you (EU) have more to loose than to gain in such a confrontation. In fact if anyone gains anything from any sanctions on RF it will be USA while the poor europas have to find an alternative energy provider.

Rupel still speaks like he is running the EU presidency. Well, that is the past just like his ideas and opinions. The world has moved on and changed so I suggest someone remind Rupel of his insignificance and to get an update. I'm surprised B92 even gave this person air time. What next? Interviewing kindergarten children?

if I as an individual, being a private person here, say that some comments are stupid, that´s okay...

but if an official choses that way to speak about other opinions... jesus, the independence-supporters must be quite nervous, I guess.

given that Mr.Rupel seems to be a proxy of the US-state-department, as we have learned by another ( former )slovenian official... this is quite intersting.

let´s just see what future brings! :)

“I don’t know how many times we’ve said that the Kosovo problem is sui generis and that in the case of Kosovo there was coordinated action by the international community,“ said Rupel,

What an amazing explanation. I am so impressed by Rupel’s constructive explanation, his extraordinary political skills and experience on Kosovo complexity and its uniqueness.

Perhaps this American puppet and his European palls think that by using term sui generis people won’t understand what all is about and that they are going to outsmart us all. But surprise, surprise it turns out that people are cleverer than these American puppets calculated. The only one to be compared with stupidity is the bunch of so called EU diplomats. I am sure Rupel leads in his stupidity and silliness by taking orders from his masters and learning them now by heart in order to avoid some information liking as it happened some weeks prior to Kosovo’s UDI.

So Mr Rupel, it takes a bit more to explain what distinguishes Ostia and Kosovo cases (if there is any real difference) than to just repeat “We sad so many times Kosovo is unique case”.

So when you say "there was coordinated action by the international community" you think this is justified. Yes "there was coordinated action by the international community" but it was based on a lie, on a storey you kept saying a million times like what Tony Blair said about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, which were lies again and again.

I've yet to hear a convincing argument for Kosovo Province's "sui generis" case. All I've heard so far from EUrocrats and State Department flunkies, along with their Albanian bobble-heading yes-men is that Kosovo is unique because they said so. Not a good enough case. In fact, ever since February 17, I haven't heard one decent argument for why anyone should regard Kosovo as a sovereign state.

Both the territorial integrity of Georgia AND Serbia need to be respected. One can't be defended and the other abused simply because one's foreign policy agrees with yours and the other doesn't.

When they say that "Kosovo's case is unique", they don't talk only about the circumstances that make Kosovo unique. They also talk about their intentions. They supported Kosovo. Without the "West" support Kosovo wouldn't have gotten so far. So really they are also saying that they won't support any other cases around the world.

"All I've heard so far from EUrocrats and State Department flunkies, along with their Albanian bobble-heading yes-men is that Kosovo is unique because they said so. Not a good enough case."

The reality contradicts you Mike.

Kostunica blocked the negotiations for 8 years. Just ignored the core of the problem (Albanians in Kosovo and their will), like so many Serbian politicians before of him had done. Perhaps Djindjic would have done something useful for both sides, but he was killed.

Rupel is right. To compare Kosovo and Georgia is stupid. Georgia is internationally recognized UN memeber state. Kosovo isn't. Georgia didn't declare independence unilaterally, Kosovo did, etc.
Kosovo can't be compared to Georgia, only to South Ossetia.

So the Kosovo issue was 'sui generis' yet you go on to say that, "Georgia should be told that as a sovereign state it had obligations, not just rights, as this was “a difficult issue of multi-ethnic territory, a problem of intercultural understanding and co-existence, such as we experienced in the former Yugoslavia, which is why it would not be good to renounce our principles.“
Oh my, that just screams hypocrisy! Who are they trying to fool? If I pulled such a stunt with friends or even in a courtroom, I'd be pulled up for not making sense. No wonder Islamic extremists find reasoning with what they're doing, when you have idiots like this telling you the sky is green!

What is stupid here, that for months people have been saying that the Kosovo example might be applied in Osetia and further afield? Now that it has happened we are told the link is stupid. Well, stupid or not, it is happening. Were international politics experts who predicted this stupid, or in fact was it those who kept saying the Kosovo case was unique who were stupid?

By overstepping the mark perhaps Serbia should make an issue out of it, if Rupel wants to make an international incident out of this, through his own stupidity, then Serbia should oblige. Calling Serbian state policy stupid is not only something that a diplomat should apologise for saying but it is interference. Rupel should be reminded that Serbia does not make statements to the media on Slovenian state policy.

What a fool to draw more attention to the situation. Quite stupid in fact.

Now, he's saying "a problem of intercultural understanding and co-existence, such as we experienced in the former Yugoslavia." This is obviously something he doesn't believe in, since Slovenia was the first to start the wars of ethnically-based secession in the Former Yugoslavia. His position on Kosovo is yet another example of his multicultural concept. Right up until Georgia, Rupel and Slovenia have supported monoethnic secession over multiculturalism.

They help set this precedent and now are trying to package it as "only where Sui Generis by our definition (yet to be defined)."

It appears his and their EU definition of Sui Generis means "only when it serves our interest." How else can their lack of true negotiation process and ultimate decision be interpreted. It doesn't work that way in law, whether physics or otherwise.

Kosovo issue was 'sui generis' as Rupel is. When we hear the same stupid expression ,we start to think that there must be someone who needs medical help!

The Kosovo case is more similar, for example, with the case of East Timor, though both are not the same.
(Bad Gorilla, 30 August 2008 13:36)

Wrong Bad Gorilla.

You are contradicting yourself with that statement. The cases of Kosmet and Timor-Leste are in fact completely dissimilar if anything. The Autonomous Province of Kosmet is an integral part of the Republic of Serbia and is recognised as such under International Law. The UDI of Pristina is only partially recognised and is illegal due to Belgrade's insistence that it is part of Serbia. The only way you guys can ever have your legal status resolved is by entering into a bilateral agreement with Belgrade, i.e. they recognise you. That my friend isnt going to happen so get ready for many decades of isolation and poverty.

Timor-Leste on the otherhand was ruled directly by Lisbon up to 6 December 1975 when Indonesian army invaded under the tacit approval of Australia and the US. Timor-Leste & Portuguese Governor Mario-Soares Lemes had been in the process of negotiations to de-colonise the territory after the Marxist FRETLIN Party declared independence from Portugal on 28 November 1975. When Indonesia invaded, the Portuguese fled thereby stalling the talks between Fretlin and Lisbon which resulted in the Indonesian occupation being declared illegal as Portuguese had not finished finalising the handing over power to the democratically elected government in Dili.

Therefore Indonesia's occupation was not recognised and until April 2002, Timor-Leste was recognised by the UN as Portuguese Timor until the issue was finally resolved and under agreement between Jakarta, UN and Lisbon, Timor-Leste became independent.

Now spot the difference. Timor-Leste is legal. You're not.

I don't know how many times most of the world keeps saying that the Georgia conflict is directly connected to Kosovo yet you won't accept that.
(Peggy, 30 August 2008 11:04)

sorry Peggy, but Mr. Rupel said exactly, why to compare Kosovo and South Ossetia is stupid, but you do don't any reason.

and sorry again: not the whole world is saying the same like you.