Putin: U.S. opened Pandora’s Box

I am just yearning to read the "comments" of our oh so democratic k-albanian friends...

it will certainly be hipocrisy at it´s best...
(Jovan, 29 August 2008 13:40)

If Russia wanted to be democratic and present itself as such then it made the biggest mistake when it refused when asked to join NATO in bombing Serbia to stop genocide and crimes against humanity.

Second, Russia had another chance to recognise Kosovo, along with Western Democratic world, it failed.

So it had chances to avoid isolation.

So now, committed itself crimes against humanity and recognised those areas that it ethnically cleansed.

If Putin is so advanced on the princinple of self-determination, let North and South Ossetia Unite and give them independence, let Chechnya, Dagestan, Ingushetia and allow 17 other Republics to declare independence.

Hypocracy at its best.

I can only agree with Mr.Putin here. he´s totally right.

sad but true: western stupidity is now "paying off".

sad but true. I am just yearning to read the "comments" of our oh so democratic k-albanian friends...

it will certainly be hipocrisy at it´s best...

Putin said, illustrating it with the example of the U.S. which was promoting “the rule of force and not international law.“
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Well said Putin. Welcome to the new world disorder. Where international law and borders are a thing of the past.

"When we tried to stop the Kosovo solution no one listened to us," Putin said.

“We kept saying: don’t do that, hold on, you’ll put us in a terrible position in the Caucasus. What are we to say to the small communities in the Caucasus? How come Kosovo can get independence and we can’t? You’ll put us in an awkward position,” Putin told CNN.

"No one talked about international law back then apart from us, and now, apparently, everyone’s remembered it and for some reason started talking about it,” said the Russian prime minister.

What is more to say friends? Putin, you are the man. Theeeee MAN! I could not have said it better myself. Hats off to you Vlad, and keep on speaking the truth!!

Now that the Pandora's box has been opened, let's start with some REAL negotiations. If Cowboy George and his posse still don't want to abide by international law, fine. Then Vlad will recognize Republika Srpska.

Cheers!!

I don’t know how some of you call this disorder when in Balkans there is order.
If I may correct you, disorder ruled during 90’s, and that’s owing to Milosevic and his armies blood thirsty ideas.
I think that many in here have forgotten what your armies have done to international law and humanity.

A politician that speaks the truth as it really is. Well spoken Putin.

I can only agree with Mr.Putin here...
(Jovan, 29 August 2008 13:40)

Jovan,
Can you show where and when you disagree with Mr. Putin!!!???
Do you happen to remember that SO and Abkhazia were occupied territories where Georgia’s government had no control since break up of SU? And that date back to 1990. Isn’t that violation of integrity of Georgia? Isn’t that “Pandora box” that was not even open put broken already. Do you happen to know that Putin people were the first one who violated the international law?
I have read you comment for long time and that doesn’t surprise me.

Was it the Reuters Brussels bureau chief Paul Taylor who observed : ".. it is said that the mature world powers are guided by the pragmatism while the immature ones stick to the principles... the fact the EU is pragmatic in recognizing the (UDI) Kosovo...may signal EU finally becoming a mature world power.." ?
Priceless.
A concept:”I am way to strong to mind the Law” ?
But it looks so ugly when others do it to us, right?

The US opened it, but Russia having the chance to close it and have some kind of moral currency failed to do so.

Europe should be free from both US and Russian influence.

I grow tired of the common philosophy that America and Europe have to be considered as the West together.

Jovan
Hipocrisy is in what both US and Russia are saying.
Putin is saying that US opened Pandora's Box, but he forgets to mention that Russia is the first to take advantage of that and keeps posing as the defender of intl. law. No sane person can imagine that S Ossetia (70.000 people) will ever become a viable state. It will stay in limbo until another "Pandora's box" is opened and then it will join N Ossetia in Russia.
He just keeps finding excuses for his actions in the Caucasus on Serbia's expense.

Personally, if Putin wanted to show that Russia was not like the West, taking part in illegal land grabs like Kosovo is not the way to prove it.

Rather, Russia should have made it perfectly clear to Tiblisi and Washington that South Ossetia and Abkhazia would not be under Georgian authority anymore and push for the same type of territorial and administrative autonomy that was offered to Kosovo Province. With the right amount of international peacekeepers in these two regions, a binding agreement with the United States that Russia would not interfere with the internal politics of Georgia Proper in return for US guarantees that Georgia would not be part of NATO and that the autonomy of SO and AB would be respected, THEN Putin could go up in front of the cameras, point to Georgia and say "THAT is how it should have been done in Serbia, and THAT is how we differ from Western hypocrisy."

Instead, he's just as stubborn as Western officials, who validate their own activities while condemning the actions of their rivals.

No sane person can imagine that S Ossetia (70.000 people) will ever become a viable state.

(adrian/bucharest, 29 August 2008 14:16)

So you are saying that countries with only 70,000 of a population cannot be viable...try at least 3 countries that have recognised the UDI of Kosovo who have considerably less of a population.
So these countries are not viable and should not count.

Please Adrian try and come up with a better argument than population figures

Vojvodina is next, Presheva next, serbska republitcka next,and so on. The one that win this game is west, since Yugoslavia and Russia are the ones that are going to lose more territoris..

Hehe, hilarious, I guess he won't be able to say no to Chechnya independence now too right?

Unfortunately putin is the part of that disorder, too. "West" being very guilty and Georgian president very naive and immature (read: stupid) does not excuse putin's actions. He answered with barbarism to barbarism = he joined the club of barbarians.

Historically, of course "West" can be judged how did they "help" Soviet Union and Jugoslavija and how did they built a shantytown instead of the "European House" of Gorbachov.

if any of you think that he did for Kosova, you are mistaken. Plus, why are happy that Georgia got hurt? What did Georgia do to Serbia?

Putin is doing it for oil, he wants to control all of it, and US /EU want to diversify. Serbia /Albania are small potatoes here. http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iDIqwk2c993eY2yX0BESotZ6tKnw
But anyone who supports Russia over US will not be on US /NATO's good side.

If the opening of this Pandoras box is so terrible, one has to ask: Who put all the terrible things into that box in the first place?

Keeping ugly things locked up for a long time in a box can never be a good thing. One day the box is sure to explode, and make a horrible mess of things.

Better open the box, get things out in the open and get the problems sorted out. Sure, it will cause problems, but I still say it is better than trying to force the underlying problems to go away.
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The fact is that the plans to attack Georgia and annex Abkhazia and S. Ossetia to Russia are much older than the Kosovar independence.

And the so-called “Pandora’s Box Effect” serves much more as a Russian excuse than anything, because while Georgia is burning, the Flemish push to dismember Belgium has failed and the two Cyprus governments talk about… reunification.

(Bahrain Bound, 29 August 2008 23:09)
Please read in the context. SO is neither an island in the Pacific, nor a town like country between France and Spain.

Who opened the Pandora box?
Was it Russia with the recognition of Abkzhazia and Southe Ossetia?
Was it the USA with the recognition of Kosovo?

No! It was Serbia with its stubrnness, refusing even to consider negotiated independance.
It was Georgia trying to take by force territory that it had to wrtie off.

Sometimes smaller powers drag greater ones in deadly conflict!

Of course the Serbs will agree with Putin. No suprise on that. The thing is that Putin is twisting and manipulating historical facts for its own agenda. We can talk all day and night whether there is a comparison between Kosova and South Ossetia. I think absolutely NOT. South Ossetia can be compared with Northern Mitrovica. FULL STOP!

Hehe, hilarious, I guess he won't be able to say no to Chechnya independence now too right?

if any of you think that he did for Kosova, you are mistaken. Plus, why are happy that Georgia got hurt? What did Georgia do to Serbia?

Putin is doing it for oil, he wants to control all of it, and US /EU want to diversify. Serbia /Albania are small potatoes here. http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iDIqwk2c993eY2yX0BESotZ6tKnw
But anyone who supports Russia over US will not be on US /NATO's good side.

The fact is that the plans to attack Georgia and annex Abkhazia and S. Ossetia to Russia are much older than the Kosovar independence.

And the so-called “Pandora’s Box Effect” serves much more as a Russian excuse than anything, because while Georgia is burning, the Flemish push to dismember Belgium has failed and the two Cyprus governments talk about… reunification.

I can only agree with Mr.Putin here...
(Jovan, 29 August 2008 13:40)

Jovan,
Can you show where and when you disagree with Mr. Putin!!!???
Do you happen to remember that SO and Abkhazia were occupied territories where Georgia’s government had no control since break up of SU? And that date back to 1990. Isn’t that violation of integrity of Georgia? Isn’t that “Pandora box” that was not even open put broken already. Do you happen to know that Putin people were the first one who violated the international law?
I have read you comment for long time and that doesn’t surprise me.

I am just yearning to read the "comments" of our oh so democratic k-albanian friends...

it will certainly be hipocrisy at it´s best...
(Jovan, 29 August 2008 13:40)

If Russia wanted to be democratic and present itself as such then it made the biggest mistake when it refused when asked to join NATO in bombing Serbia to stop genocide and crimes against humanity.

Second, Russia had another chance to recognise Kosovo, along with Western Democratic world, it failed.

So it had chances to avoid isolation.

So now, committed itself crimes against humanity and recognised those areas that it ethnically cleansed.

If Putin is so advanced on the princinple of self-determination, let North and South Ossetia Unite and give them independence, let Chechnya, Dagestan, Ingushetia and allow 17 other Republics to declare independence.

Hypocracy at its best.

I don’t know how some of you call this disorder when in Balkans there is order.
If I may correct you, disorder ruled during 90’s, and that’s owing to Milosevic and his armies blood thirsty ideas.
I think that many in here have forgotten what your armies have done to international law and humanity.

A politician that speaks the truth as it really is. Well spoken Putin.

Personally, if Putin wanted to show that Russia was not like the West, taking part in illegal land grabs like Kosovo is not the way to prove it.

Rather, Russia should have made it perfectly clear to Tiblisi and Washington that South Ossetia and Abkhazia would not be under Georgian authority anymore and push for the same type of territorial and administrative autonomy that was offered to Kosovo Province. With the right amount of international peacekeepers in these two regions, a binding agreement with the United States that Russia would not interfere with the internal politics of Georgia Proper in return for US guarantees that Georgia would not be part of NATO and that the autonomy of SO and AB would be respected, THEN Putin could go up in front of the cameras, point to Georgia and say "THAT is how it should have been done in Serbia, and THAT is how we differ from Western hypocrisy."

Instead, he's just as stubborn as Western officials, who validate their own activities while condemning the actions of their rivals.

(Bahrain Bound, 29 August 2008 23:09)
Please read in the context. SO is neither an island in the Pacific, nor a town like country between France and Spain.

Putin said, illustrating it with the example of the U.S. which was promoting “the rule of force and not international law.“
--
Well said Putin. Welcome to the new world disorder. Where international law and borders are a thing of the past.

I can only agree with Mr.Putin here. he´s totally right.

sad but true: western stupidity is now "paying off".

sad but true. I am just yearning to read the "comments" of our oh so democratic k-albanian friends...

it will certainly be hipocrisy at it´s best...

Jovan
Hipocrisy is in what both US and Russia are saying.
Putin is saying that US opened Pandora's Box, but he forgets to mention that Russia is the first to take advantage of that and keeps posing as the defender of intl. law. No sane person can imagine that S Ossetia (70.000 people) will ever become a viable state. It will stay in limbo until another "Pandora's box" is opened and then it will join N Ossetia in Russia.
He just keeps finding excuses for his actions in the Caucasus on Serbia's expense.

Unfortunately putin is the part of that disorder, too. "West" being very guilty and Georgian president very naive and immature (read: stupid) does not excuse putin's actions. He answered with barbarism to barbarism = he joined the club of barbarians.

Historically, of course "West" can be judged how did they "help" Soviet Union and Jugoslavija and how did they built a shantytown instead of the "European House" of Gorbachov.

"When we tried to stop the Kosovo solution no one listened to us," Putin said.

“We kept saying: don’t do that, hold on, you’ll put us in a terrible position in the Caucasus. What are we to say to the small communities in the Caucasus? How come Kosovo can get independence and we can’t? You’ll put us in an awkward position,” Putin told CNN.

"No one talked about international law back then apart from us, and now, apparently, everyone’s remembered it and for some reason started talking about it,” said the Russian prime minister.

What is more to say friends? Putin, you are the man. Theeeee MAN! I could not have said it better myself. Hats off to you Vlad, and keep on speaking the truth!!

Now that the Pandora's box has been opened, let's start with some REAL negotiations. If Cowboy George and his posse still don't want to abide by international law, fine. Then Vlad will recognize Republika Srpska.

Cheers!!

The US opened it, but Russia having the chance to close it and have some kind of moral currency failed to do so.

Europe should be free from both US and Russian influence.

I grow tired of the common philosophy that America and Europe have to be considered as the West together.

If the opening of this Pandoras box is so terrible, one has to ask: Who put all the terrible things into that box in the first place?

Keeping ugly things locked up for a long time in a box can never be a good thing. One day the box is sure to explode, and make a horrible mess of things.

Better open the box, get things out in the open and get the problems sorted out. Sure, it will cause problems, but I still say it is better than trying to force the underlying problems to go away.
--

Of course the Serbs will agree with Putin. No suprise on that. The thing is that Putin is twisting and manipulating historical facts for its own agenda. We can talk all day and night whether there is a comparison between Kosova and South Ossetia. I think absolutely NOT. South Ossetia can be compared with Northern Mitrovica. FULL STOP!

Was it the Reuters Brussels bureau chief Paul Taylor who observed : ".. it is said that the mature world powers are guided by the pragmatism while the immature ones stick to the principles... the fact the EU is pragmatic in recognizing the (UDI) Kosovo...may signal EU finally becoming a mature world power.." ?
Priceless.
A concept:”I am way to strong to mind the Law” ?
But it looks so ugly when others do it to us, right?

No sane person can imagine that S Ossetia (70.000 people) will ever become a viable state.

(adrian/bucharest, 29 August 2008 14:16)

So you are saying that countries with only 70,000 of a population cannot be viable...try at least 3 countries that have recognised the UDI of Kosovo who have considerably less of a population.
So these countries are not viable and should not count.

Please Adrian try and come up with a better argument than population figures

Vojvodina is next, Presheva next, serbska republitcka next,and so on. The one that win this game is west, since Yugoslavia and Russia are the ones that are going to lose more territoris..

Who opened the Pandora box?
Was it Russia with the recognition of Abkzhazia and Southe Ossetia?
Was it the USA with the recognition of Kosovo?

No! It was Serbia with its stubrnness, refusing even to consider negotiated independance.
It was Georgia trying to take by force territory that it had to wrtie off.

Sometimes smaller powers drag greater ones in deadly conflict!