"Russia could recognize Kosovo"

The only difference between Kosovo and SO and Ab are that the first parastate is supported by the West, while the last two parastates are supported by Russia. Other than that, they're the same in virtually every way, and a large chunk of the world that it watching, and caring, knows this. Furthermore, it is not going to take the blessing of the US to make anyone think they can be less independent now. The damage done on February 17 has already spread.

Yes, all unique cases stemming off the Kosovo precedent. Rupel and the US now have their backs against the wall while attempting to justify Kosovo's failed independence. It is a lost cause I'm afraid and Russia is capitalising big time.

Welcome to the new world disorder. Where borders and international law are a thing of the past. I can see many unique cases popping up all over the place.

Ben and to anyone who says "who cares about Serbia".. this website and these forums are for people who care for Serbia.


I don't understand.. you and your friends here hate Serbia so much that your on Serbian chat rooms and forums more than Serbs?

I think Russia will recognize Kosovo. Im coming to the conclusion Kosovo is a lost case. Besides, if kosovo were to return into the Serbian Fold we would inherit 2 million rabid Albanians. Bad Idea. Besides with the Western nations pumping Kosovo full of nuclear waste its not such a nice place. Nuclear waste and Albanians - thats a scary mix---it will make great material for Science fiction movies.

When the Kosovo Serbs do leave Kosovo we will find them new homes right next to Nenad Canak in Voijvodina.

If losing Kosovo is the price for removing the illegitimate government in Belgrade so be it.

Serbia for Serbs. Yugoslavia is dead. The milosevic party is dead. Otpor is hiding.

Its time for a proper Serbian state-a little smaller but much truer to its values.

long live russia, long live Abkhazia and south ossetia
zivela serbia
cccc

"Russia could recognize Kosovo" we Albanians refuse to be recoginized by a non democratic state like Rusia...

Freedom for Georgia now!

ZK did you read the article or not?

How are the west and the US with their backs against the wall? The declaration comes from the russian side which is giving signals of recognizing Kosovo.If it was like you say you would be reading: "The US will recognize South Osetia and Abkhazia."
Looks like Kosovo canno't be a violation of international law anymore. Medvedev say that it was because of Kosovo precedent that S.O. and Abkhazia were recognized by Moscow. So if Kosovo's independece keeps being illegal so will be S.O & Abkhazia.

"Russia could recognize Kosovo"

Well that would be funny ;)

not for Serbia- who cares about her

It would be funny for US and EU as Russia could say now we recognised yours you be principled and recognise SO and Abkhasia. this is funny ;))

teh world is going mad-since Russians made their first nuke.

Recognzing Kosovo would be pretty dumb for them because all Kavkaz-conflict was essentially a payback for 1999. It had some other routs of course, but I don't think Russian government priority is to act consistently from the point of view of OUR logic. They act according their petty interests and their position of might. Losing the last ally in Western part of Europe is not their interest and by recognizing Kosovo they won't gain anything in Kavkaz - they got already everything they really need. As of legitimacy... they take care about it precisely as much as American government: I have muscles = everything I do is legit.

I understand if "Rote Kapelle" or "Orthodox.ru" does not agree with my bitter view of Russian government, but they should just recall, how much that government takes care about OWN citizens. What did putin say about tragic loss of Kursk submarine... or other tragedies during his reign. He did not care less.

Mark, both myself and Mike replied to the first article which mysteriously changed its title to the nonsense and sensationalist tabloid type heading of "Russia could recognize Kosovo". It all sounds a little desperate if you ask me.

I'm surprised they didn't use the heading "Planet Nibiru on collision course with Earth". As we all know, Russia will most likely recognise Kosovo just after the US willing gives Texas to Mexico.

As of today when EU and US have not decided yet how to deal with the situation,Russia has the upper hand. It has at least three options when it comes to S.O. & Abkhazia.

1. Try hard to get international recognition for the two regions. But judging by the members of the russian club(Serbia,Iran,China,Belarus,Venezuela,
Sudan,Zimbabwe,Cuba)it might not get them to far.

2. Total annexation of the two regions by organizing referendums where the Osetians and Abkhazians will decide to unite with Russia.

3. Keeping a frozen conflict, to keep the pressure up on Georgia and Ukraine so they don't join Nato. It might do that by accepting international peacekeepers in the regions and controlling the tension.

The Kosovo card can only benefit them in this situation.They can offer it to the west when they feel like it suits their interest.You Serbs and we Albanians will be the last to be asked.

As we all know, Russia will most likely recognise Kosovo just after the US willing gives Texas to Mexico.
(ZK UK, 28 August 2008 19:57)

Seriously??? What about that no Texan want to join Mexico? It is not federal government that doesn’t want Texas to slip away, it is Texans who don’t want to be ridiculous and join Mexico.

Get ready for what must come next....the free republika srpska

Freedom

If Kosovo wants to be a part of the UN, they will need Russia's recognition. I am sure Sejdu and Thaci would not refuse Russia's recognition.

Before everyone get's carried away with Mr Kosackov's statement:

> Maybe it will, I cannot rule anything out

I suggest you re-read his qualifier:

> But there is a clear distinction between Kosovo, on the one hand, and Abkhazia and South Ossetia on the other. Kosovo was not formally, but genuinely a part of Serbia and the former Yugoslavia. South Ossetia and Abkhazia have denied that they are part of Georgia ever since the break up of the USSR

That hardly sounds like an endorsement of the K-albanian 'pseudo-state' to me although doubtless the K-albanian camp will choose to see otherwise.


ben:
> It would be funny for US and EU as Russia could say now we recognised yours you be principled and recognise SO and Abkhasia. this is funny ;))

Unlike the US with the K-albanian 'pseudo-state', Russia isn't trying to legitimise it's stance on the independence of the georgian break-aways by attempting to get as many recognitions from other states as possible.

With the military option denied to the US in Georgia, it doesn't have to.

Which is why Serbia can freely choose to maintain its credibility for it's upcoming initiative before the UN General assembly.

And why it couldn't care less as to whether or not the so-called 'republic of Kosovo' recognises the georgian break-aways.

> teh world is going mad-since Russians made their first nuke.

So am I to take it then that you think WWII was an act of sanity? Curious that the US is the only state to have used the damn things.


Milan Radosavljevic:
I have no doubt that you are serbian, I just think you are giving up too easily.


Indipendent:
The point is that ZK UK (UK?) was saying that washington would never choose to do so - regardless of whether or not 'texans' wanted to or not.


Mark:
I doubt the russians will push the issue in Georgia any further. They have effectively neutered Georgia's military capability & re-established their presence & then some, & sent a strong signal to the Ukraine, while at the same time rubbing US/NATO nose's into their collective hypocrisy.

As for allowing in 'international peacekeepers' in the disputed regions - this is as likely as the russians being allowed by NATO into Kosovo. They won't make that mistake.

And as for playing the 'Kosovo card'?

Why bother when you have the winning hand.

Russia to recognise Kosovo as an indipendente country, you may be joking, right? No way, come one, this is in sain, this is to good to be true:):)

Big deal... politic fragmentation and economic integration. that is what is waiting for us in the 21th century.

Let's grow up and split in peace, as Czech and Slovakia, Serbia and Macedonia.

If the size of a country was an indicative of good life, luxembourg and liechtenstein would be the worse places in the world to live.

Russia said that maybe they will recognize Kosovo.
They have always said they would if Serbia does, so this is nothing new.

That maybe depends of Serbia and Russia has stated it always will.

to Milan Radosavljevic ( who is perhaps just another Albanian trying to fake a indipendence-supporting Serb? )


there are no 2 million rabid Albanians, most of them just want to live in peace and prosperity, and that´s something they won´t be delivered by the snake and co. criminals.

so it is just a question of time until their greater-albanian illusion collapses.

and for the quite improbable case you should really be a Serb: if the Serbs were think ing in your fashion, we all would be eating sourkraut and singing german folk-songs today...

but we don´t. and we don´t even speak turkish or pray to Mohammad.

that should be clear enough, I guess.

Hope you who considered THEM for friends finally woke up and saw the truth.

His drunken logic is the only explanation for his inability to see the link between Kosovo and Georgia. Russia has even directly linked them and yet the drunken stupor of the West, partying on and saying, "Kosovo's unique" lives on......

They all need to sober up!

(Nikola, 28 August 2008 19:45)

the 'who cares about Serbia' stands to the fact that the Serbian protector Russia after all mind here own interests and that cares much less about Serbia. After all in this big plays we are small players, if players at all, like it or not.

As I said previously- when your MFA ambiguously expressed here stance about the conflict in Georgia- you get in these kind of situations only when you alley with bulls. It is much better to alley with democracies but for the democracies the sovereignty of the states comes from the citizens not from the tanks.

That’s all! I don’t have particular sympathies about Serbia due to her political behaviour but this doesn’t mean that I heat Serbia. Far from that!!!

Peter
It is to early to say that Russia has the winning hand.For S.O. and Abkhazia nothing has really changed. Georgia didn't have control over those regions before and doesn't have it now. If we are to believe that they really wanted independence they still don't have it. It looks like they wanted to be part of Russia more than to be independent.As for rubbing US/NATO noses, it is not over yet. Don't be surprised to see a couple of Missile Shield Systems in Georgia and Ukraine soon. Which is mostly the thing that Moscow wanted to avoid.

Peter, Sydney: you wrote "Unlike the US with the K-albanian 'pseudo-state', Russia isn't trying to legitimise it's stance on the independence of the georgian break-aways by attempting to get as many recognitions from other states as possible. "

Unfortunately for the Russians, they have been trying to obtain recognition from other countries, but haven't succeeded. Not even with the Shanghai-group countries. The Russian papers are counting the hours ("if not today, surely tomorrow") until the moment when Belarus finally joins them.

At the Security Council meeting called to discuss the invasion, even Costa Rica condemned them: it speaks, it said, for the small countries of the world - that are actually the majority at the UN - that have no other protection than international law.

Standing alone in a globablized world is not a winning strategy.

to Milan Radosavljevic ( who is perhaps just another Albanian trying to fake a indipendence-supporting Serb? )


there are no 2 million rabid Albanians, most of them just want to live in peace and prosperity, and that´s something they won´t be delivered by the snake and co. criminals.

so it is just a question of time until their greater-albanian illusion collapses.

and for the quite improbable case you should really be a Serb: if the Serbs were think ing in your fashion, we all would be eating sourkraut and singing german folk-songs today...

but we don´t. and we don´t even speak turkish or pray to Mohammad.

that should be clear enough, I guess.

I think Russia will recognize Kosovo. Im coming to the conclusion Kosovo is a lost case. Besides, if kosovo were to return into the Serbian Fold we would inherit 2 million rabid Albanians. Bad Idea. Besides with the Western nations pumping Kosovo full of nuclear waste its not such a nice place. Nuclear waste and Albanians - thats a scary mix---it will make great material for Science fiction movies.

When the Kosovo Serbs do leave Kosovo we will find them new homes right next to Nenad Canak in Voijvodina.

If losing Kosovo is the price for removing the illegitimate government in Belgrade so be it.

Serbia for Serbs. Yugoslavia is dead. The milosevic party is dead. Otpor is hiding.

Its time for a proper Serbian state-a little smaller but much truer to its values.

long live russia, long live Abkhazia and south ossetia
zivela serbia
cccc

Get ready for what must come next....the free republika srpska

The only difference between Kosovo and SO and Ab are that the first parastate is supported by the West, while the last two parastates are supported by Russia. Other than that, they're the same in virtually every way, and a large chunk of the world that it watching, and caring, knows this. Furthermore, it is not going to take the blessing of the US to make anyone think they can be less independent now. The damage done on February 17 has already spread.

Yes, all unique cases stemming off the Kosovo precedent. Rupel and the US now have their backs against the wall while attempting to justify Kosovo's failed independence. It is a lost cause I'm afraid and Russia is capitalising big time.

Welcome to the new world disorder. Where borders and international law are a thing of the past. I can see many unique cases popping up all over the place.

"Russia could recognize Kosovo" we Albanians refuse to be recoginized by a non democratic state like Rusia...

Freedom for Georgia now!

Mark, both myself and Mike replied to the first article which mysteriously changed its title to the nonsense and sensationalist tabloid type heading of "Russia could recognize Kosovo". It all sounds a little desperate if you ask me.

I'm surprised they didn't use the heading "Planet Nibiru on collision course with Earth". As we all know, Russia will most likely recognise Kosovo just after the US willing gives Texas to Mexico.

Russia said that maybe they will recognize Kosovo.
They have always said they would if Serbia does, so this is nothing new.

That maybe depends of Serbia and Russia has stated it always will.

Recognzing Kosovo would be pretty dumb for them because all Kavkaz-conflict was essentially a payback for 1999. It had some other routs of course, but I don't think Russian government priority is to act consistently from the point of view of OUR logic. They act according their petty interests and their position of might. Losing the last ally in Western part of Europe is not their interest and by recognizing Kosovo they won't gain anything in Kavkaz - they got already everything they really need. As of legitimacy... they take care about it precisely as much as American government: I have muscles = everything I do is legit.

I understand if "Rote Kapelle" or "Orthodox.ru" does not agree with my bitter view of Russian government, but they should just recall, how much that government takes care about OWN citizens. What did putin say about tragic loss of Kursk submarine... or other tragedies during his reign. He did not care less.

"Russia could recognize Kosovo"

Well that would be funny ;)

not for Serbia- who cares about her

It would be funny for US and EU as Russia could say now we recognised yours you be principled and recognise SO and Abkhasia. this is funny ;))

teh world is going mad-since Russians made their first nuke.

Russia to recognise Kosovo as an indipendente country, you may be joking, right? No way, come one, this is in sain, this is to good to be true:):)

Ben and to anyone who says "who cares about Serbia".. this website and these forums are for people who care for Serbia.


I don't understand.. you and your friends here hate Serbia so much that your on Serbian chat rooms and forums more than Serbs?

As we all know, Russia will most likely recognise Kosovo just after the US willing gives Texas to Mexico.
(ZK UK, 28 August 2008 19:57)

Seriously??? What about that no Texan want to join Mexico? It is not federal government that doesn’t want Texas to slip away, it is Texans who don’t want to be ridiculous and join Mexico.

Before everyone get's carried away with Mr Kosackov's statement:

> Maybe it will, I cannot rule anything out

I suggest you re-read his qualifier:

> But there is a clear distinction between Kosovo, on the one hand, and Abkhazia and South Ossetia on the other. Kosovo was not formally, but genuinely a part of Serbia and the former Yugoslavia. South Ossetia and Abkhazia have denied that they are part of Georgia ever since the break up of the USSR

That hardly sounds like an endorsement of the K-albanian 'pseudo-state' to me although doubtless the K-albanian camp will choose to see otherwise.


ben:
> It would be funny for US and EU as Russia could say now we recognised yours you be principled and recognise SO and Abkhasia. this is funny ;))

Unlike the US with the K-albanian 'pseudo-state', Russia isn't trying to legitimise it's stance on the independence of the georgian break-aways by attempting to get as many recognitions from other states as possible.

With the military option denied to the US in Georgia, it doesn't have to.

Which is why Serbia can freely choose to maintain its credibility for it's upcoming initiative before the UN General assembly.

And why it couldn't care less as to whether or not the so-called 'republic of Kosovo' recognises the georgian break-aways.

> teh world is going mad-since Russians made their first nuke.

So am I to take it then that you think WWII was an act of sanity? Curious that the US is the only state to have used the damn things.


Milan Radosavljevic:
I have no doubt that you are serbian, I just think you are giving up too easily.


Indipendent:
The point is that ZK UK (UK?) was saying that washington would never choose to do so - regardless of whether or not 'texans' wanted to or not.


Mark:
I doubt the russians will push the issue in Georgia any further. They have effectively neutered Georgia's military capability & re-established their presence & then some, & sent a strong signal to the Ukraine, while at the same time rubbing US/NATO nose's into their collective hypocrisy.

As for allowing in 'international peacekeepers' in the disputed regions - this is as likely as the russians being allowed by NATO into Kosovo. They won't make that mistake.

And as for playing the 'Kosovo card'?

Why bother when you have the winning hand.

ZK did you read the article or not?

How are the west and the US with their backs against the wall? The declaration comes from the russian side which is giving signals of recognizing Kosovo.If it was like you say you would be reading: "The US will recognize South Osetia and Abkhazia."
Looks like Kosovo canno't be a violation of international law anymore. Medvedev say that it was because of Kosovo precedent that S.O. and Abkhazia were recognized by Moscow. So if Kosovo's independece keeps being illegal so will be S.O & Abkhazia.

His drunken logic is the only explanation for his inability to see the link between Kosovo and Georgia. Russia has even directly linked them and yet the drunken stupor of the West, partying on and saying, "Kosovo's unique" lives on......

They all need to sober up!

Big deal... politic fragmentation and economic integration. that is what is waiting for us in the 21th century.

Let's grow up and split in peace, as Czech and Slovakia, Serbia and Macedonia.

If the size of a country was an indicative of good life, luxembourg and liechtenstein would be the worse places in the world to live.

Freedom

If Kosovo wants to be a part of the UN, they will need Russia's recognition. I am sure Sejdu and Thaci would not refuse Russia's recognition.

As of today when EU and US have not decided yet how to deal with the situation,Russia has the upper hand. It has at least three options when it comes to S.O. & Abkhazia.

1. Try hard to get international recognition for the two regions. But judging by the members of the russian club(Serbia,Iran,China,Belarus,Venezuela,
Sudan,Zimbabwe,Cuba)it might not get them to far.

2. Total annexation of the two regions by organizing referendums where the Osetians and Abkhazians will decide to unite with Russia.

3. Keeping a frozen conflict, to keep the pressure up on Georgia and Ukraine so they don't join Nato. It might do that by accepting international peacekeepers in the regions and controlling the tension.

The Kosovo card can only benefit them in this situation.They can offer it to the west when they feel like it suits their interest.You Serbs and we Albanians will be the last to be asked.

Hope you who considered THEM for friends finally woke up and saw the truth.

(Nikola, 28 August 2008 19:45)

the 'who cares about Serbia' stands to the fact that the Serbian protector Russia after all mind here own interests and that cares much less about Serbia. After all in this big plays we are small players, if players at all, like it or not.

As I said previously- when your MFA ambiguously expressed here stance about the conflict in Georgia- you get in these kind of situations only when you alley with bulls. It is much better to alley with democracies but for the democracies the sovereignty of the states comes from the citizens not from the tanks.

That’s all! I don’t have particular sympathies about Serbia due to her political behaviour but this doesn’t mean that I heat Serbia. Far from that!!!

Peter
It is to early to say that Russia has the winning hand.For S.O. and Abkhazia nothing has really changed. Georgia didn't have control over those regions before and doesn't have it now. If we are to believe that they really wanted independence they still don't have it. It looks like they wanted to be part of Russia more than to be independent.As for rubbing US/NATO noses, it is not over yet. Don't be surprised to see a couple of Missile Shield Systems in Georgia and Ukraine soon. Which is mostly the thing that Moscow wanted to avoid.

Peter, Sydney: you wrote "Unlike the US with the K-albanian 'pseudo-state', Russia isn't trying to legitimise it's stance on the independence of the georgian break-aways by attempting to get as many recognitions from other states as possible. "

Unfortunately for the Russians, they have been trying to obtain recognition from other countries, but haven't succeeded. Not even with the Shanghai-group countries. The Russian papers are counting the hours ("if not today, surely tomorrow") until the moment when Belarus finally joins them.

At the Security Council meeting called to discuss the invasion, even Costa Rica condemned them: it speaks, it said, for the small countries of the world - that are actually the majority at the UN - that have no other protection than international law.

Standing alone in a globablized world is not a winning strategy.