Medvedev: Kosovo as justification

The WEST recognition of kosovo UDI has set a precedent and it became the rootcause of the problem in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Russia's action is justified.

thats why mr bush did not speak in front of the camera to critisize russia on this thing. someone only read his comments and rhetoric. his kosovo actions boomerang directly in his face. rice was saying to veto a UN resolution on ossetia. dont worry it wont happen because like kosovo there is no resolution needed HAHAHA

Ataman

I am afraid the Hungarian part of your blood is always dominating over your Russian blood. I sometimes feel shame for you coz you behave worse than most of the Albanians in the forum.

You must be proud that Russia is rising up from it's knees ! RUSSIAN SOUNDS VERY PROUD ALL OVER THE WORLD while quite a few people outside Europe have ever heard of Hungary ! And you must be proud that Russia becomes the single hope for small nations all over the world ! You must be proud that Russia puts an end to another Horti like fascist regime ! You must be proud that Russia is able to punish the US and the helpless EU cowards and give them a kick with cold shower ect.

You are not an ATAMAN ! Best if you call yourself CAPTAIN TENKESH or something of the kind. According to Visotsky you are И НЕ ДРУГ И НЕ ВРАГ , А ТАК ... This is who you are but in no case an ATAMAN. The Kasaks headed by Atamans were the main plot for the Russian Empire but you look like an anti Russian agent of influence rather than an ATAMAN. If you do not agree please tell me of any ATAMAN who joined our enemies like you do all the time ! Tell me of another Catholic Ataman in the history !

1600 killed civillians during just one day of August 8 ! 92% of houses in Tshinval destroyed during 3 days ! What other evidence do you need to understand that WE ARE WRIGHT !?

“We did like the other countries did with Kosovo and other problems,” the Russian president told the BBC
--
Enough said.

OSSETIA, ABKHAZIA, AND NORTHERN KOSOVA

Russian hegemonic plan is being implemented in face of the scepticism of the EU and the United States, with the latter being focused on the internal elections for the White House.
By manipulating with the Kosova case and by presenting Kosova, through unmatched propaganda, as a world precedent, Moscow staged the foretold play with Georgia's separatist regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Following a sudden occupation of the Georgina territory by the Russian troops, those two provinces declared their independences, and Russia rushed to recognize them. On the other hand, the international community has immediately expressed disagreement with such a policy of Russia.
But, has Kosova's independence produced real effects on the Russia-Georgia conflict?
In fact the pretext was excellent for Moscow, but the reality is completely different.
The independence of Kosova was strongly supported within hours by the United States and reputable European Union countries, while the reaction we have seen with the case of the independence of Georgia's territories has been very disapproving.
This international stance suggests immediate isolation and refusal to recognize those two unsustainable countries created solely as a result of Russia's expansionist policy.
After the recognition by Russia of South Ossetia, Abkhazia, it will be interesting to see Serbia's position, which has not recognized Kosova yet. Now after those two separatist regions seceded from Georgia and after they were recognized by Russia, Belgrade will be left without a key argument it has continuously used. Now it will be easier for them to recognize us as a state. But, at the same time there is fear with regard to the unstable north of Kosova. With its policies, Serbia may provoke extremist activities, and one should not rule out efforts for secession of that part of Kosova. For this reason the international community and Kosova institutions should be very cautious and efficient in the north of the country.
We should not allow South Ossetia and Abkhazia happen in Kosova. In such a case the consequences would go beyond the Republic of Kosova borders.

Is it me, or has the world gotten considerably more insane in the last two weeks?

All those countries that have recognised the Kosovo UDI are to be ignored and will not have any say in the Georgia situation. They have already excluded themselves from any say not just in Georgia but all future UDIs as well. We should only listen to the remaining 150 countries or so, and so far they have been pretty quiet and cautious with words which is the way it should be.

I never trusted Russian Government and never will!!!
They are arrogant and the most ignorant Government which I know!

Dear Serbs,it is time for you to turn to WEST,forget Russia because you will be disappointed.
Rather turn to West then to 18th Century!

When Russian's have the money,they can't control themselves,they act like a spoiled child and in this case we can only watch and pray that something bigger doesn't happen!!!

I think the west should recognize Chechnya as an independent country.

'“Russia prevented murder and tried to preserve the unity of the Georgian state. But, after the genocide organized by the Saakashvili regime, “the situation changed, and the most important thing was to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe,” said the Russian president."

"Russia prevented murder.." by killing over 2000 civilians? However even by killing 2000 inocent people, Russia again proved itself that their fist has no muscule force behind, now I would ask that president, what will happend, if all the former Warsava Pact states,those states which once have tasted the russian occupation ( for Gregor: I know Romania will not be in ), make e deal to form one Anti russian front? The "mighty" Russia will collapse, it will be isolated, and the russian people will be poorer then they are, even their govenrment with billions of some corruption money will get in trouble, their money would not be able to be spend in Russia itself, they can buy patato, chicken, pigs and votka as much as they want , but nothing more. And I am sure that sooner or later that will happend, it will be like the story with bear and ants...ants won on the story, and so president Medvedev, if you wanna keep your "bear" status, then be a dancing bear and do not atack innocent civilians, because all this happens only once.

“We did like the other countries did with Kosovo and other problems,” Medvedev.

GOOD!!!!

NOw don't VETO teh new UNSEC resolution and recognise Kosova too.

It seams that the recognition of Kosova will get another supporter.

It is a fact that Russia contributed to Kosovo's Independence (if you remember the principles of Contact Group which laid the foundations for the Ahtisari Plan). The reason for it was that it would open the door for Russia to contribute also on independence the two breakaway provinces of Georgia.Russia fell just short of allowing UN SC to endorse Kosovo independence, and wanted countries to recognize Kosovo individually, opening the door to Russia to do the same. This because Russia did the math, and knew that UN SC would never recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
As always during the last two decades, Serbia is still blind. But being a strong support of Russia, (even though Russia has its interests, not Serbia's, after the latest developments, EU will not tolerate Serbia flirting with wild beasts any longer. Serbia has to decide, be Russia's hand and destabilize the region (OUT of EU) or get closer and In EU, and recognize Kosovo.

Kosovo cold be used as the justification of Russian actions but certainly is not the causation of those events.
Sice the collapse of the Soviet Union, subsequent US
administrations have been actinr unilaterally by ignoring world opinion.Russia,s national interests were constantly eroded and the country was treated as the world's pariah.
The loss of influence and the feeiling of encirclement
gave Putin and his country alegitimate right to return to the world stage through the power it gained from rising energy prices.
Russia's comeback on the world stage doesn't mean a return to a new cold war.The reason for this is the absence of ideology battles.I
still think that dependency and globalization will make it virtually impossible for the West and Russia to engage in military conflicts in the future.

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"By saying this, Medvedev proves that the question of Kosovo recognition has nothing to do with international law or territorial sovereignty."

Peter thanks for getting this right at the end) Better late than ever)

By saying this, Medvedev proves that the question of Kosovo recognition has nothing to do with international law or territorial sovereignty.

What the West have been saying about Georgia's territorial integrity and international law reflect exactly the same thing.

No power on this planet cares about territorial integrity and considers international law to be relative when it comes to their pawns and the pawns of the opposing side. We will see another Cold War thanks to people like George Bush and Vladimir Putin.

Both the USA and Russia need serious changes of leadership, and pronto!

"“We did like the other countries did with Kosovo and other problems,” the Russian president told the BBC"
so you attack a poor country for no reason? by the way: Azbahia was only 20% Azbakhian until 1990's!! Now they will be states with 70,000 people ;)
http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2008/08/the-truth-about-1.php#comments

To those cheering: How does the Islamic Republic of Sandzak or the Republic of Presevo Valley sound? Fair right?

Mike

My friend, believe me, it is not just you. I reacted in exactly the same way when I heard the news about these recognitions. Like me, you are probably wondering what is the next line to overstep.

For everyone to "enjoy": few poor souls running around like spider on the wall and shooting in the air. Similar pictures like in Kosovo this February. Georgians, Ossetians, Serbs, Albanians being kicked around and played with by "high powers". And if anything they don't like: let's bomb Palic zoo or Borzhomi National Park. I like these "humanitarian bombings"... This does not excuse miloshevic or saakashvili to any degree, but here are the pretty pictures:

http://tinyurl.com/6ebk8j

Let's celebrate two more states, run by warlords and gangsters, one (since February 17) was not enough.

"My friend, stop the madness and respect administrative borders of ex-Soviet Union and ex-Yugoslavia. It is time to respect the existing borders of Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Serbia, and FYROM."
(Independent, 28 August 2008 15:39)

Kosovo?

The administrative borders of ex-Yugoslavia and its republics is that Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia. You can not change borders as you wish independent! There were six republics of Yugoslavia, not seven.

Yugoslavia broke apart into its constituent entities, but the borders of its nations didn’t change. Then, for the first time since World War II, the decision was made to change Serbia’s borders.

The problem started with West´s stupidity with this Kosovo thing. Now the world is a much more insecure place.

Kosovo must be returned to Serbia and South Ossetia and Abchazia must be returned to Georgia, then we can start talking again to save this world from this madness of separatism.

There are little more then 1 hundred victims on South Ossetia and none in Abkhazia. In contrary there are more then 7 hundred Georgians killed by Russians troops and millions of euro destructions on cities outside SO region. This is reality. Does this make a ground for less then 0.1% of Russian population to create 2 “little Russia” on Georgian territories?
This is the same as 40.000 Albanians in Montenegro to proclaim independence of Republic of Ulqin, from the 600.000 population of Montenegro. This is pathetic. What about Kosovo East – Presevo Valley with over 70.000 coincidently the same number of Russian in SO. Is it the time for them to proclaim independence of Republic of Presevo?
What about Republic of Iliriada in FYROM? What about Republic of Sandzak with 200.000 Bosnians?
My friend, stop the madness and respect administrative borders of ex-Soviet Union and ex-Yugoslavia. It is time to respect the existing borders of Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Serbia, and FYROM.

"The administrative borders of ex-Yugoslavia and its republics is that Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia. You can not change borders as you wish independent! There were six republics of Yugoslavia, not seven."
(Justice Veritas, 29 August 2008 02:29)

It is a pity you don't know that Kosova was an administrative unit of ex-Yugoslavia at the time of Tito and it has a constitutional veto right that was not respected at all by Milosevic regime taking away every right of self determination to 2 million people with no link at all with the other Slavic people of ex-Yugoslavia.

" Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia. You can not change borders as you wish independent! "
Do you think that if 90% of the Northern Irishmen (and wonem) want independence or indeed union with Republic of Irland they will not get it? Or 90 of the Flemings? or the Basques? Or the Quebecoise?
Yet when only small. but vocal minirities want independence, they are always denied.
In the West the rights of the citizens have a primate to the sovereingity of the states! Serbia must choose fast if it wants to be part of the West or not!

OSSETIA, ABKHAZIA, AND NORTHERN KOSOVA

Russian hegemonic plan is being implemented in face of the scepticism of the EU and the United States, with the latter being focused on the internal elections for the White House.
By manipulating with the Kosova case and by presenting Kosova, through unmatched propaganda, as a world precedent, Moscow staged the foretold play with Georgia's separatist regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Following a sudden occupation of the Georgina territory by the Russian troops, those two provinces declared their independences, and Russia rushed to recognize them. On the other hand, the international community has immediately expressed disagreement with such a policy of Russia.
But, has Kosova's independence produced real effects on the Russia-Georgia conflict?
In fact the pretext was excellent for Moscow, but the reality is completely different.
The independence of Kosova was strongly supported within hours by the United States and reputable European Union countries, while the reaction we have seen with the case of the independence of Georgia's territories has been very disapproving.
This international stance suggests immediate isolation and refusal to recognize those two unsustainable countries created solely as a result of Russia's expansionist policy.
After the recognition by Russia of South Ossetia, Abkhazia, it will be interesting to see Serbia's position, which has not recognized Kosova yet. Now after those two separatist regions seceded from Georgia and after they were recognized by Russia, Belgrade will be left without a key argument it has continuously used. Now it will be easier for them to recognize us as a state. But, at the same time there is fear with regard to the unstable north of Kosova. With its policies, Serbia may provoke extremist activities, and one should not rule out efforts for secession of that part of Kosova. For this reason the international community and Kosova institutions should be very cautious and efficient in the north of the country.
We should not allow South Ossetia and Abkhazia happen in Kosova. In such a case the consequences would go beyond the Republic of Kosova borders.

“We did like the other countries did with Kosovo and other problems,” Medvedev.

GOOD!!!!

NOw don't VETO teh new UNSEC resolution and recognise Kosova too.

It seams that the recognition of Kosova will get another supporter.

'“Russia prevented murder and tried to preserve the unity of the Georgian state. But, after the genocide organized by the Saakashvili regime, “the situation changed, and the most important thing was to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe,” said the Russian president."

"Russia prevented murder.." by killing over 2000 civilians? However even by killing 2000 inocent people, Russia again proved itself that their fist has no muscule force behind, now I would ask that president, what will happend, if all the former Warsava Pact states,those states which once have tasted the russian occupation ( for Gregor: I know Romania will not be in ), make e deal to form one Anti russian front? The "mighty" Russia will collapse, it will be isolated, and the russian people will be poorer then they are, even their govenrment with billions of some corruption money will get in trouble, their money would not be able to be spend in Russia itself, they can buy patato, chicken, pigs and votka as much as they want , but nothing more. And I am sure that sooner or later that will happend, it will be like the story with bear and ants...ants won on the story, and so president Medvedev, if you wanna keep your "bear" status, then be a dancing bear and do not atack innocent civilians, because all this happens only once.

I never trusted Russian Government and never will!!!
They are arrogant and the most ignorant Government which I know!

Dear Serbs,it is time for you to turn to WEST,forget Russia because you will be disappointed.
Rather turn to West then to 18th Century!

When Russian's have the money,they can't control themselves,they act like a spoiled child and in this case we can only watch and pray that something bigger doesn't happen!!!

Ataman

I am afraid the Hungarian part of your blood is always dominating over your Russian blood. I sometimes feel shame for you coz you behave worse than most of the Albanians in the forum.

You must be proud that Russia is rising up from it's knees ! RUSSIAN SOUNDS VERY PROUD ALL OVER THE WORLD while quite a few people outside Europe have ever heard of Hungary ! And you must be proud that Russia becomes the single hope for small nations all over the world ! You must be proud that Russia puts an end to another Horti like fascist regime ! You must be proud that Russia is able to punish the US and the helpless EU cowards and give them a kick with cold shower ect.

You are not an ATAMAN ! Best if you call yourself CAPTAIN TENKESH or something of the kind. According to Visotsky you are И НЕ ДРУГ И НЕ ВРАГ , А ТАК ... This is who you are but in no case an ATAMAN. The Kasaks headed by Atamans were the main plot for the Russian Empire but you look like an anti Russian agent of influence rather than an ATAMAN. If you do not agree please tell me of any ATAMAN who joined our enemies like you do all the time ! Tell me of another Catholic Ataman in the history !

1600 killed civillians during just one day of August 8 ! 92% of houses in Tshinval destroyed during 3 days ! What other evidence do you need to understand that WE ARE WRIGHT !?

"“We did like the other countries did with Kosovo and other problems,” the Russian president told the BBC"
so you attack a poor country for no reason? by the way: Azbahia was only 20% Azbakhian until 1990's!! Now they will be states with 70,000 people ;)
http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2008/08/the-truth-about-1.php#comments

To those cheering: How does the Islamic Republic of Sandzak or the Republic of Presevo Valley sound? Fair right?

"My friend, stop the madness and respect administrative borders of ex-Soviet Union and ex-Yugoslavia. It is time to respect the existing borders of Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Serbia, and FYROM."
(Independent, 28 August 2008 15:39)

Kosovo?

The administrative borders of ex-Yugoslavia and its republics is that Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia. You can not change borders as you wish independent! There were six republics of Yugoslavia, not seven.

Yugoslavia broke apart into its constituent entities, but the borders of its nations didn’t change. Then, for the first time since World War II, the decision was made to change Serbia’s borders.

The problem started with West´s stupidity with this Kosovo thing. Now the world is a much more insecure place.

Kosovo must be returned to Serbia and South Ossetia and Abchazia must be returned to Georgia, then we can start talking again to save this world from this madness of separatism.

The WEST recognition of kosovo UDI has set a precedent and it became the rootcause of the problem in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Russia's action is justified.

By saying this, Medvedev proves that the question of Kosovo recognition has nothing to do with international law or territorial sovereignty.

What the West have been saying about Georgia's territorial integrity and international law reflect exactly the same thing.

No power on this planet cares about territorial integrity and considers international law to be relative when it comes to their pawns and the pawns of the opposing side. We will see another Cold War thanks to people like George Bush and Vladimir Putin.

Both the USA and Russia need serious changes of leadership, and pronto!

thats why mr bush did not speak in front of the camera to critisize russia on this thing. someone only read his comments and rhetoric. his kosovo actions boomerang directly in his face. rice was saying to veto a UN resolution on ossetia. dont worry it wont happen because like kosovo there is no resolution needed HAHAHA

All those countries that have recognised the Kosovo UDI are to be ignored and will not have any say in the Georgia situation. They have already excluded themselves from any say not just in Georgia but all future UDIs as well. We should only listen to the remaining 150 countries or so, and so far they have been pretty quiet and cautious with words which is the way it should be.

Kosovo cold be used as the justification of Russian actions but certainly is not the causation of those events.
Sice the collapse of the Soviet Union, subsequent US
administrations have been actinr unilaterally by ignoring world opinion.Russia,s national interests were constantly eroded and the country was treated as the world's pariah.
The loss of influence and the feeiling of encirclement
gave Putin and his country alegitimate right to return to the world stage through the power it gained from rising energy prices.
Russia's comeback on the world stage doesn't mean a return to a new cold war.The reason for this is the absence of ideology battles.I
still think that dependency and globalization will make it virtually impossible for the West and Russia to engage in military conflicts in the future.

For everyone to "enjoy": few poor souls running around like spider on the wall and shooting in the air. Similar pictures like in Kosovo this February. Georgians, Ossetians, Serbs, Albanians being kicked around and played with by "high powers". And if anything they don't like: let's bomb Palic zoo or Borzhomi National Park. I like these "humanitarian bombings"... This does not excuse miloshevic or saakashvili to any degree, but here are the pretty pictures:

http://tinyurl.com/6ebk8j

Let's celebrate two more states, run by warlords and gangsters, one (since February 17) was not enough.

It is a fact that Russia contributed to Kosovo's Independence (if you remember the principles of Contact Group which laid the foundations for the Ahtisari Plan). The reason for it was that it would open the door for Russia to contribute also on independence the two breakaway provinces of Georgia.Russia fell just short of allowing UN SC to endorse Kosovo independence, and wanted countries to recognize Kosovo individually, opening the door to Russia to do the same. This because Russia did the math, and knew that UN SC would never recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
As always during the last two decades, Serbia is still blind. But being a strong support of Russia, (even though Russia has its interests, not Serbia's, after the latest developments, EU will not tolerate Serbia flirting with wild beasts any longer. Serbia has to decide, be Russia's hand and destabilize the region (OUT of EU) or get closer and In EU, and recognize Kosovo.

“We did like the other countries did with Kosovo and other problems,” the Russian president told the BBC
--
Enough said.

program unit
world-history
begin

while not end-of-article
do
read paragraph;

substitute( paragraph, "Medveded", "Bush" );
substitute( paragraph, "Russia", "US/EU" );
substitute( paragraph, "South Ossetia", "Kosovo" );
substitute( paragraph, "protect its citizens", "protect K-Albanians" );

randomize_a_few_words( paragraph );

print paragraph;
done;

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Is it me, or has the world gotten considerably more insane in the last two weeks?

Mike

My friend, believe me, it is not just you. I reacted in exactly the same way when I heard the news about these recognitions. Like me, you are probably wondering what is the next line to overstep.

I think the west should recognize Chechnya as an independent country.

"By saying this, Medvedev proves that the question of Kosovo recognition has nothing to do with international law or territorial sovereignty."

Peter thanks for getting this right at the end) Better late than ever)

There are little more then 1 hundred victims on South Ossetia and none in Abkhazia. In contrary there are more then 7 hundred Georgians killed by Russians troops and millions of euro destructions on cities outside SO region. This is reality. Does this make a ground for less then 0.1% of Russian population to create 2 “little Russia” on Georgian territories?
This is the same as 40.000 Albanians in Montenegro to proclaim independence of Republic of Ulqin, from the 600.000 population of Montenegro. This is pathetic. What about Kosovo East – Presevo Valley with over 70.000 coincidently the same number of Russian in SO. Is it the time for them to proclaim independence of Republic of Presevo?
What about Republic of Iliriada in FYROM? What about Republic of Sandzak with 200.000 Bosnians?
My friend, stop the madness and respect administrative borders of ex-Soviet Union and ex-Yugoslavia. It is time to respect the existing borders of Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Serbia, and FYROM.

"The administrative borders of ex-Yugoslavia and its republics is that Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia. You can not change borders as you wish independent! There were six republics of Yugoslavia, not seven."
(Justice Veritas, 29 August 2008 02:29)

It is a pity you don't know that Kosova was an administrative unit of ex-Yugoslavia at the time of Tito and it has a constitutional veto right that was not respected at all by Milosevic regime taking away every right of self determination to 2 million people with no link at all with the other Slavic people of ex-Yugoslavia.

" Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia. You can not change borders as you wish independent! "
Do you think that if 90% of the Northern Irishmen (and wonem) want independence or indeed union with Republic of Irland they will not get it? Or 90 of the Flemings? or the Basques? Or the Quebecoise?
Yet when only small. but vocal minirities want independence, they are always denied.
In the West the rights of the citizens have a primate to the sovereingity of the states! Serbia must choose fast if it wants to be part of the West or not!